a stapler so that we can teach, it's infuriating. >> reporter: the teachers union is trying to put this question of public funding for the ballpark to a referendum, a ballot measure. that will be an interesting litmus test for how the general public feels about the question. >> david, good to see you. best place to be this weekend. thanks so much. that is going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" next. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. depressed yet? if you're not, you're in small minority because when you poll americans, the vast majority say the options in front of them are bleak. yesterday only made it look worse. special counsel robert hur put

into the official record what so many democratic voters have been complaining about publicly, and so many movers and shakers have been worried about privately. the president is not as sharp as he used to be. but the question for them is how is that worse than the alternative. another senior citizen who has serious memory and confusion problems and also facing 91 criminal counts for trying to overturn an election, hiding and endangering extremely sensitive national secrets, including information about our nuclear arsenal. a man found liable for fraud, defamation, and sexual assault, let me repeat that. a man who a jury found sexually assaulted a woman. listen, i get it if you want to tune out and talk about super bowl snacks. nachos sound great, especially if you add crab on top. as americans, we don't have the luxury of tuning out. there's too much at stake.

join me as we try to understand the playing field. monica alba, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, and "the washington post" national editor and msnbc political analyst, philip rucker. the white house is reacting to the special report. ken, i want to get your insights and reporting on how it came together, how these assessments of biden's mental abilities got into this report. >> so on that point specifically, obviously justice department officials are very sensitive to the comparison to what then fbi director jim comey did in 2016 when he made a series of criticisms of hillary clinton even as he was saying that her use of e-mails didn't merit criminal charges. what they say is this situation is different because this report by robert hur was required under the special counsel rules. he was required to write a report to merrick garland explaining his charging decisions. in this case, his decision not

to file criminal charges, and they say he included the unflattering information about president biden's perceived memory lapses because it was part of his reasoning that even though he found evidence that mr. biden willfully retained classified documents, particularly those related to afghanistan, he wasn't charging him with crimes. particularly because mr. biden didn't seem to remember he found documents in 2017, and on tape talking to a ghost writer, saying he found them. he didn't call the fbi at the time. that was a very incriminating piece of evidence. yet, didn't merit charges in part because of the memory stuff. now, did this hur report have to become public? it didn't. but merrick garland has promised to make the reports public. once he went down the road of

promising transparency, there wasn't a way to go back. >> the white house putting ian sams in front of reporters and forcefully saying biden was found to have done nothing wrong, and forcefully pushing back on the assessment that robert hur made saying it was inappropriate. what else are you hearing today? what are the next steps? >> the word, and to say really that this entire report, she found, as a former prosecutor was quite unprofessional and really included things that didn't need to be included. you heard a little bit of that from the president last night specifically on this question of memory, and specifically we saw the president who was quite upset and angry in his push back to this because he says that line that was included in the report specifically arguing that

the president couldn't recall when his beloved son beau had died, angered the president privately so much when he learned about that that his aides essentially huddled and said, okay, you need to go out publicly and express this anger with the report, specifically, and that's what you saw last night. here's a little bit of that exchange as it relates to his recall and those allegations. >> i'm well meaning, i know what the hell i'm doing: i don't need his recommendation. >> how bad is your memory, and can you continue as president? >> my mom is so bad, i let you speak. >> do you feel your memory has gotten worse, mr. president? >> my memory is fine. my memory, take a look at what i've done since i've become president. none of you thought i could pass any of the things that got passed. how did that happen? i guess i just forgot what was going on. >> the white house says that that is the best defender with

the regard, and the same appearance and press conference, he was answering questions additionally, he did confuse the president of egypt with the president of mexico, and that has happened several times this week when it comes to over heads of state. it's obviously something that the white house is going to continue to have to answer for. they are painting the totality of this report as politically motivated and they argue specifically that they believe that robert hur included some of these because he was worried that there would be blow back from conservatives if he didn't indict the president politically, even if he didn't charge him with a crime. >> robert hur also was very specific in pointing out that these charges or these alleged acts were nothing like what donald trump is accused of doing. i mean, he made a real distinction between president biden and these documents and the charges, the indictments

that donald trump faces. the counts for hiding classified materials, endangering national secrets, refusing to hand them over repeatedly. he was very specific in that as well. i want to point that out in the report. there's a lot of criticism about the assessment, he does make pains to say this is not at all the same as what donald trump did. phil, the wants to be talking about what president biden has accomplished over the past few years. put it up on the screen. he has done quite a lot. there's the chips act, there's the bipartisan infrastructure bill. there's the inflation reduction act, the economy is humming along, inflation is going down. jobs, unemployment is at all time lows. wages are going up. things are good in so much of the country, but the narrative out there is that president biden is not capable of continuing to do good because of

the way that he presents himself in public. and monica mentioned this a moment ago, you know, the stumble last night between egypt and mexico, confusing the leaders of those two countries, how does the white house think it can go forward trying to push this good news, the change in this country, but by doing it with somebody who does often get confused. >> it's a really important point, katy, and a huge challenge for this white house and for the biden campaign and democratic party overall because they do have a record of accomplishment that they're very much hoping to hang his reelection hopes on, to make the thrust of his argument to voters, and yet our reporters who are out in the field, talking in some of these battleground states to voters, report back, as do pollsters doing scientific surveys of voters out in the country. vast disapproval with biden's presidency, and a lot of doubts about his age and sort of fitness to serve a second term.

he's now 81 years old. there's sort of an image that a lot of people have as an american president who talks with strength, who projects physical strength, and you know, voters anecdotically tell journalists that they don't see that in joe biden, and so that's a challenge for president biden to try to convince voters that he is capable of a second term and the kind of legislative and other accomplishments he has had in the first term can continue, even as he advances in later years in his life. >> phil rucker a lot has been made of donald trump's confusion. you covered him as i did in 2016. what's your sense of where donald trump is compared to what he was back then? >> i'm certainly not a health official. i will say he's had a lot more stumbles this year than eight years ago when he first ran for president. that was a decline from the

public appearances he used to make on reality television and tv shows, you know, two decades ago when he was younger in his life. clearly trump is older as well. and he has a lot of similar memory lapses, and, you know, garbled sentence, and you know, you see it at his rallies. you see it in what he writes on truth social and on social media and voters pick up on that too. but the public perception doesn't seem to be as pronounced with trump as it is with biden. i'm not sure why that is. but that is the case sort of anecdotically when our reporters are talking to voters. they hear a lot more concern about biden's age, even though trump has exhibited a lot of the same qualities. >> david graham of the atlantic has an idea why that is. thank you very much. joining us now is former district attorney for the manhattan district attorney's office, and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian.

i think there are a lot of questions about what a prosecutor is supposed to do in these instances. normally if you're a prosecutor and decline to press charges, that's it, there's no report written about it. the special counsel has to write a report and give it to the doj. is this information that would in your understanding, normally go into a report like this? >> actually, if you're a prosecutor, and you're doing an investigation, and i did a number of investigations, you do, you have to explain, it's not public. you're explaining to the district attorney why after this thorough investigation we've come to the conclusion that charters aren't warranted, and it's a very detailed report, and it will not be publicized, if you were going to publicize it. this report needed an editor. looking at the glass half full. it's a good report in that it says, you know, the fundamental interests of society do not warrant critical charges. there is no evidence that biden knew or intended to share classified information. then they inserted all of this

extra gratuitous, i say unprofessional, not just that he is a well meaning elderly man. they say that biden sees himself as a historic figure. he believes his career has made him worthy of the presidency. he was using the materials to cite as evidence, he's a man of presidential temper. it's kind of snarky. no need for that. details facts and evidence, and why you have come to the conclusion. you have to go through the defenses. so they could have said, you know, instead of he's an old man with poor memory, without adding he couldn't recall when his son died. >> what if robert hur experienced something more egregious than we experience ed. could he have seen something to feel like it was necessary to

put this in? is there a world where he might have seen something more than we have seen? >> it's the way he wrote it. so believe me if president biden did not recall that his son died, that would be a problem. but to sort of add in there, he couldn't recall when, people lose loved one, and you know, at the moment, you can't really remember what year it was. so it's the way he wrote it. the well meaning, elderly man with poor memory. >> you think this is not just a prosecutorial document outlining why charges are not -- or there's not sufficient evidence for charges. you see this as something that's written with more opinion. >> more opinion: there's good stuff in there about why there shouldn't be prosecution. no evidence, can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but when you throw in all of that gratuitous material, it's really unprofessional. >> catherine christian, thank you very much for joining us. i know it's been an interesting couple of days trying to figure out what's happening. coming up in just a moment,

we have andrew weissmann, robert hur, comey 2.0. and joins me next. what he has to say about this. plus, what nikki haley is doing to try to tap into the political moment and might it actually start working. later, though, president biden made his harshest comments yet on israel's bombardment in gaza. what israel is saying about that today. we are back in 60 seconds. have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday.

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theories here. the gratuitous comments that respected experts are saying is out of line are inappropriate. and they shouldn't distract from the fact that the case is closed and the facts and evidence show that they reached the right conclusion. >> the white house is angry today. that was ian sams, a special assistant to the president trying to forcefully tell reporters that special counsel robert hur was way out of line in his assessment of president biden's memory. for a lot of democratic strategies, hur's report felt like deja vu, a repeat of what fbi director james comey did to hillary clinton in 2016. joining us now, former deputy assistant secretary of state, and former spokesperson for hillary clinton, philippe reiness. you were in the war room, literally, for those days at the end of 2016 when comey came back out with the investigation being back opened up and the

declination of charges. what was it like? >> it was horrible. we thought we had put behind us what he had done and said in july, which was in itself bad enough, and you know it's not going to help, so it's really just a degree of how much it's going to hurt, and worse, when you know the fact set, and you know there's nothing there, you get angry. you get more than angry. you get livid, and i think that's what you saw last fright from president biden. >> in this moment, what did you do right? what did you do wrong? >> unfortunately there's nothing to do at all. because when the fbi director sends a letter to eight committees of congress which is basically begging to be leaked, you just have to grin and bear it. you can do the normal and say this was open, this was closed, and as we just saw ian sams do a great job of saying on page x, there is no everyday, but it takes a toll. and when it's ten days out, it's

a killer. you know, it's pretty common that in situations like that, that it goes against the person, she obviously wasn't in office but she was the favorite. she lost because of what jim comey did. >> this is not ten days out. this is ten months out. there's quite a bit of time before the presidential election. what happens next with the biden team? how do you think they go about this? >> well, you know, it's a double whammy. the first thing is they came out and did this at all. the second thing is what they did. the gratuitous language that i think ian and phil rucker referred to. in the sense of what's happening, at least it's on the table, the president's age and memory and overall mental acuity has been something whispered about, and actually spoken about pretty widely on the right. so let's get to it. people can vote whatever they want. if someone wants to vote for one

guy over the other because they're taller or heavier or went to their college, so be it. joe biden is not running against nobody. he's running against donald trump. we know who that is. if you want to vote based on age, come on. donald trump is 77. he's only three years younger than president biden. if your father is 77 and your mother is 74, you don't say dad is dating a younger woman. you want to talk about health, fine. president biden has been incredibly transparent about his health going back since he was vice president. he has told us why he has a gait problem, why he walks the way he does. he fractured his foot. former president trump lied repeatedly about his health approximate. he went to walter reed hospital without telling anyone why for more than a year and a half. he came within an inch of his life when it came to having covid. you want to vote for health, for age, then you're going to vote

for joe biden. if you want to vote for memory, donald trump also referenced this. donald trump is walking around for months saying we're looking at world war ii. i'm not a ph.d. in history, i'm pretty sure we're up to world war iii. >> why do you think the age is a problem for biden and not for trump, given everything you just said, and i know you said it's whispered about, but if you talk to voters and look at polling, it's not just whispered. it's people widely concerned about it. it's voters telling pollsters. >> like i said, it's a legitimate concern but it's the responsibility of the media and the biden campaign and white house to make sure, they can't make president biden any clearer. they can make it very clear that donald trump is old. if that's what you have to do, then that's what you have to do. if they're going to attack him on his health. attack right back. you can't make someone what they're not. you can make sure that the

opponent is portrayed accurately. i think it's cosmetic stuff, going back for a long time, since the advent of tv, we are people that look at people and make adjustments. president biden walks slowly, and he squints for whatever reason. i think it's easier for us to say why does he do that, and it's a lot harder to actually do that job. i know people at the highest levels of the biden administration. i count them as friends, former colleagues. they wish that we all, one at a time, all 330 million of us could parade in there. and look, we can't do that. it's incumbent upon others, the campaign, the white house, the media, but it's incumbent on people like jim comey, and robert hur to not disenfranchise an entire nation because they want to see their name in the paper. robert hur said just by virtue of joe biden being elderly that

he had a memory problem. i'm sorry, i don't think it works that way. i think we have a pretty large elderly society that remembers things a lot better than i might on any given day. if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything. >> is there a scenario where maybe he saw something pretty scary in those conversations? >> no, i mean, i don't have to be in that room to know that he saw probably what we see. if someone doesn't remember, you know, i don't remember milestones in my life if there are other things around it. i was talking to friends trying to remember when we were in l.a., one of us thought it was 2007, another thinks 2002, another 2014. i'm not a president, and those aren't inauguration dates but he's a human being. he wrote what he saw. and if you want to get into that level, then again, let's be even.

donald trump, you can look at any of the number of depositions he's done over the years including as recently as the last two or three years, and people counted the number of times he said i don't remember, and it's in the hundreds. if you want to vote on memory. fine. donald trump can't run around saying tv, elephant, square, and say i have the best memory and mental acuity. we are seeing both of them. they are both making mistake. they say a million words over the course of the year. they're going to say some wrong ones. that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at the other 99%. including, you know, maybe we should look at how many jobs joe biden. >> person, woman, man, camera, tv, is what you were thinking of. >> see, i couldn't get it right, and i'm a lot younger than joe biden. >> thank you very much. coming up, what you might

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please join me in voting yes on prop e. president biden is at the oval office right now with olaf scholz, the chancellor of germany. they're talking about the war in ukraine, among other things. let's listen. >> and hopefully progress will follow you and make a decision on giving the necessary support because without the support of the united states and without the support, have not a chance to defend the country. i think it's very good that we are working together, looking at the situation in the middle east and especially working on the two-state solution which is necessary for lasting peace, and i'm sure that the united states and germany are aligned.

>> we are. we are. i'd like to add another point. the failure of the united states congress, if it occurs, not to support ukraine, is close to criminal neglect. it is outrageous. kissinger was right when he said not since napoleon has europe not looked over his shoulder and worried until now. you and i helped put nato together in a way it hasn't been in a long time. thank you all very much. >> reporter: was the report politically motivated? [. >> thank you.

>> reporter: was the report politically motivated, mr. president. >> we're going to make our way out. thank you:. president biden not answering any of the shouted questions from the press corps there, and while he huddles with the chancellor of germany, republican presidential candidate nikki haley is taking this opportunity to shoot her shot. >> people make fun of the fact that i say we need to have mental competency tests. there's a reason 70% of americans don't want to see a biden/trump rematch. the party that gets rid of their 80-year-old candidate is going to be the party that wins. the third thing that bothers me about this, whether it's biden or whether it's trump, they both knew better. >> the first party to retire their 80-year-old candidate will be the party that wins. 70% of americans tell pollsters they agree with that sentiment, so why isn't nikki haley getting more support in the primaries? in other words, if the american

public really does not want two older men, why aren't they showing up to vote for someone else? joining us now, nbc news correspondent, ali vitali. that's the million dollar question. you have the large part of the american public saying they're not happy with either candidate. why aren't they showing up to pick someone else? >> reporter: i think that's the question that nikki haley has been asking not just over the course of iowa, new hampshire and nevada, but now will pose to the voters of south carolina, the super tuesday states that come after. for nikki haley, the way she has been using age and mental acuity has been something that allows her to underscore what she has said the entire candidacy. this is a moment for a new generation of leaders on both sides. of course she's running on the republican side, and what she has done quite artfully is group trump with biden to the point that biden might not be able to continue to make all of these different age arguments against trump the way that we have seen him do over the course of the

last few weeks, but nikki haley is going to continue to be able to do those, and when haley does them, for the biden campaign, it's like the call is coming from inside the house. haley is a republican through and through, she is now criticizing the de facto head of the republican party, for as long as she's in this race, she's doing the work for the biden campaign for them effectively. much to the chagrin of the former president. that's the way she's trying to draw contrast with former president trump without going after him on policy. i think that's the thing, and it might be the answer to the question you posed and really the question of the primary, which is if voters can get trump, why would they want anyone else. for someone like nikki haley, and this was true of desantis and tim scott, on policy they largely agree with the former president. when it comes to picking personas and personalities, yes, certainly nikki haley offers something different, but for trump, he is the same as he's always been. how many times did you and i over the course of '16 and '20

hear people say, i don't like his personality, i like what he brings to the table. i hear that now. people have gotten comfortable with it. for nikki haley, she's running against the brick wall that republican voters want to finish this out with donald trump. the age thing is a concern across the board, more for biden than trump. when you look at nikki haley and the statement she released, this part struck me, democrats appear on their way to retiring their 80-year-old candidate. i'm not sure that's true, but we'll see. trump runs about even with the infeebled biden, trump would get crushed by a democrat with a pulse. age and mental acuity are the closing message haley is using here, and we'll have to see if it works. joining us now, former chief spokesperson for vice president harris and msnbc cohost of "the weekend," symone sanders townsend. it's good to have you. >> good to see you.

trying to answer the question of why president biden faces the age-related question more than donald trump does given that they're both older, they both have problems remembering things. david graham of the atlantic has an interesting theory. to the extent that old age is an issue for presidential contenders, it should be an issue with both. long attuned to the power of appearances, trump is focused on how he looks. he's often mocked for his heavy orange makeup, hair dye and the elaborate nest of hair he constructs atop his head but those embellishments have done their job, making him look less old than he might otherwise. if you look at what trump is saying, especially written out, much of it is unintelligible but it's barked out in the familiar overbearing voice, papering over the disturbing substance. i covered trump in 2016, he didn't make a lot of sense then.

when you would write it out, it was gibberish. he's not making sense today a lot of the time, and he's not even saying it quite as energetically as he used to. why isn't this a bigger problem for donald trump? >> i don't think anyone ever attempted to make donald trump's age an issue in the first time he ran or frankly the second time he ran. and in between that time, there was not an onslaught of, you know, progressive media, if you will, while donald trump was president, talking about the fact that he seems like someone else is pulling the strings, he's being puppeteered, that's not donald trump, that's a body double. if the things i'm saying sound crazy to people listening at home, those are a lot of things that have been parroted in conservative media circles, but they started in the really bad, crazy, conspiracy corners of the internet but they bubbled up. it's been a sustained onslaught since the president's first

presidential campaign that has continued through, and the right wing media ecosystem has supported that to the point where people continue. and then it's spilled out into the mainstream to the point where that is why when voters are asked in these polls like, oh, well, are you concerned about or do you want -- between your two choices, do you want joe biden or donald trump, i think joe biden is too old. rarely do you hear people say in focus groups or reflect in polling that they don't think joe biden can do the job. i think the kind of questions we ask matter, but also what is elevated and what we continue to repeat is very important because that becomes people's reality. >> when i talk to democratic big wigs behind the scenes, and if they express concern about president biden's, you know, appearances in public, they pull their hair out when they say, that is nothing compared to what donald trump is accused to have done. what we saw donald trump, they say, do with our own eyes.

what happened on january 6th. the 91 criminal counts that are currently facing him. including not just trying to overturn the election and disenfranchise millions of voters but also the hiding and the hoarding of national secrets not in his private home but at his public club, mar-a-lago, and the refusal to turn them over on top of the fact that he has been found liable for sexual assault. they said, look, donald trump is facing very serious stuff. he's a danger to the presidency. why are there voters out there who are thinking, oh, my god, maybe i'll vote for him instead of president biden because i'm worried about president biden's mental fitness. >> i don't think there are voters saying maybe i'll vote for donald trump because i have questions about the president's age. people say i'm concerned about his age but if it's between

biden and trump, i'm going to vote for joe biden. some younger voters might say i don't like either of the choices and i'm going to stay home or vote third party or leave the top of the ticket blank. there's not as much biden/trump crossover that we sometimes talk about in our own private circles. i think the reason donald trump is essentially literally getting away with crimes against, right now he is essentially getting away with crimes against our democracy, is, in fact, because, again, it wasn't until after the january 6th select committee came out and had these hearings and issued their report that the department of justice started to take a hard look at donald trump and his allies and their connection to what had been done in terms of january 6th and the insurrection. you know, the archives, the national archives spent months months and months pleading with donald trump and his allies and the people that worked for him

to say, can you give us the documents back, we think you have these. can you give us these, and it was after much deception that frankly, they were like, look, okay, fine, we're going to have to do something about this. we're going to have to play hardballs and that is where the charges came from. the time that elapsed matters. now folks are like, if it was so bad he had the documents, this is what i hear, why did they wait so long? if it was so bad about what he did with the insurrection, why is he just now potentially going to court? fair questions, and i think part of the department of justice officials at the top, the decisions that they made, and to be clear, the people that worked at the department of justice, they are patriots doing hard things, and defending small d democratic values all across the country for the american people, but there was a delay that happened at the beginning of the biden administration looking at donald trump and his relationship to the insurrection. that matters. >> symone sanders, always good to have you. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. and coming up, a foreign aid

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direct aid to those countries in various forms but no border, nothing for to secure the southern border. nothing on immigration policy, just the straight kind of foreign aid portion of the bill that got defeated earlier this week that did have border security in it. >> okay. so it's passed one procedural hurdle. what's the likelihood that it passes the entire senate? >> very good. that procedural hurdle, katy, is basically a test vote to get this through the entire senate. it even might pass with more than the votes that came through the procedual hurdle. i don't know what is going to happen on this side of the capitol where speaker mike johnson standing here a couple days ago said he was not -- he was not committing to putting this bill on the floor or doing anything with it. he said -- the one thing he did say, each of these issues should be considered independent of each other. now, that doesn't mean he will

reject the bill. there are procedural ways to have individual votes on each portion of this package. the question for johnson, though, is, is it perilous for him to even put ukraine aid on the floor given that fewer than half of the house -- the members of the house republican conference voted for ukraine aid in september when it was just $300 million. this is a $95 billion package all in for ukraine, israel and taiwan, so i don't know what's going to happen there. democrats have said -- house democrats said they will use every procedural tool at their disposal, which includes the discharge petition, which allows people to sign a pote to bring something to the floor if the leadership is ignoring it. that will be the fight. >> yesterday ryan nobles brought up something i thought was interesting. in looking at the robert hur report, republicans might seize that as something to add to an impeachment probe into president biden. might use it as grounds to impeach him.

is that something that you're hearing about today, and wouldn't that get complicated because president trump is currently facing dozens of counts for taking classified material and refusing to give it back. >> i trust ryan's reporting. i have not heard that on my own. i wouldn't be surprised. now, listen, katy, yes, it would complicate it politically and substantively if they think that is bad, what donald trump did was worse. everyone understands that. that being said, katy, alejandro mayorkas' impeachment was on the floor a couple days ago. it failed. getting impeachments through, at least the house republican conference, it's difficult, right? i don't think standing here today that house republicans will be able to pass an impeachment resolution impeaching president joe biden. i don't think they'll be able to plain and simple so they might add it, they might not. i'm skeptical of the process. >> finally, jake, in looking at the immigration portion of that

aid package, is that completely dead in the water? is there any way that comes up again? >> no, i maybe it comes up in the senate. i don't think so. it will not come up in the house of representatives. it's amazing, katy, in hearing republican -- leave aside the substance of the bill for one second, the fact that republicans say that this should be an issue that's litigated in the next election. we're only halfway through this congress so is the new standard that congress is not going to legislate in the -- they're only going to legislate half of the session and the next session everything has to be pushed to the general election or midterm election? it's preposterous. >> what do you want to talk about? what else is happening? >> you're putting me on the spot in a big way. a couple interesting thins, larry hogan running for the senate. that's a big get for republicans for a bunch of reasons. number one, it might force democrats to play in maryland, a

place they never expected they would play in the past because it's a solidly blue state but larry hogan won two elections statewide. number two, matt rosendale versus tim sheehy who is the choice of the mitt mcconnell political machine including the super pac and matt is the choice of seemingly nobody. mike johnson endorsed him or planned to endorse him. we reported it then he pulled it back. another hugely embarrassing episode for mike johnson, but that's going to be a bloody, not literally bloody hopefully but that's going to be a very bruising primary battle to take on jon tester, the democrat in montana. >> thank you very much. >> that was good, katy. thank you. >> i'm impressed. you really went back to the playbook from this morning, and i appreciate it. the newsletter, i should say. jake, thanks so much. coming up, what vladimir putin did to tucker carlson. (bobby) my store and my design business?

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russian president vladimir putin hasn't given an interview to a western journalist since russia invaded ukraine nearly two years ago perhaps because he was waiting for a friendly face. nbc news senior national correspondent keir simmons reports on what he did to tucker carlson. >> reporter: with the war in ukraine on a knife edge, president putin says russia has always wanted to talk. he has said that before.

all the while continuing to pummel the country with drones, missiles you can and other weapons. >> translator: we have never refused negotiations, indeed. >> reporter: the interview with conservative former fox news host, tucker carlson, echoing talking points from donald trump's election campaign. >> translator: don't you have anything better to do? you have issues on the border. >> reporter: they are messages putin has repeated time and time again including in our interview before attacking ukraine. >> will you commit now not to send any further russian troops into ukrainian sovereign territory? >> translator: you, the u.s., crossed an ocean with military equipment, he told me and yet you believe somehow we are acting aggressively. but his invasion has killed and wounded hundreds of thousands of people in ukraine and russia. he said again that he is looking to do a deal over jailed "wall

street journal" reporter evan gershkovich, this time clearly signaling russia wants to exchange the american journalist for a russian fsb assassin jailed in germany. >> translator: i do not rule out the person you refer to, mr. gershkovich, may return to his motherland. >> reporter: this morning "the wall street journal" saying evan is a journalist and journalism is not a crime. we're encouraged to see russia's desire for a deal that brings evan home, and we hope this will lead to his rapid release. nbc news continues to report from russia, last month we traveled to a putin event as he stands for election with a small handpicked audience. "i'll vote for putin," this woman said later compare the war with the war on terrorism. a candidate we met in december who opposes the ukraine war was banned from the election. president putin's objectives with this interview will have

included to influence the debate in washington, congress still hasn't approved more funding for ukraine, and to influence his own voters ahead of his election in march. russian media is already celebrating the interview, the headline with the state news agency tass, putinen is trending on x. keir simmons, nbc news. >> that's going to do it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, it is 4:00 in washington, d.c. i'm alicia menendez in for nicolle wallace. by any measure it's been a wild ride of a week particularly if you are disgraced twice impeached ex-president facing 91 criminal charges because here's the thing about 91 criminal charges, just by virtue of the sheer volume of charges with a legal mess that vast, you are at all times dealing with