>> a beautiful moment in nba history last night. lebron james became the first player to score 40,000 points and a career. the 39 year old reach the milestone with this move in the second quarter of the lakers game against the nuggets. the crowd gave him a steadied ovation. the lakers posting on excess posed picture of james

celebrating the milestone with the four and oh. in other news, another player has made her mark on the history of -- she is playing her final home game right now. it just became the all-time leading scorer for both men and women's college basketball. she is celebrating her achievements today. she is already declared herself for the wnba draft next month. in moments, congresswoman, pramila joppa joins me. we're going to talk about the push for a cease-fire in gaza and the impact on the presidential campaign, and later on the redefined role of the first lady. the president's wife has more power behind the scenes that most people might think. >> hi everyone, good to see you once again. i'm jasmine this again, joining you live from msnbc world headquarters in for alex wet. we've got a lot going on this hour. we're going to start with the breaking news that we're hearing from the supreme court in the last 30 minutes or so. learning the supreme court is saying there will be released tomorrow. one of them, and a very closely

watched case. colorado could be on the docket. could, here, is the ultimate word. we want to bring in charles coleman and -- former civil rights attorney, nbc legal analyst, and host the charles coleman podcast. let me start things off with you, if i can. what do we know about the possibility of a ruling tomorrow? >> yes, the supreme court, they just indicated on their website that they could have rulings tomorrow. it's a very last-minute announcement. usually they announce it ahead of time. there are many reasons to think that it could be the colorado case about what the the ex president trump will be kicked off the primary ballot there. one of the big reasons for that is that the primary is actually been held on tuesday. obviously, there's a reason why the court would get that ruling out. it's also an expedited case that they just heard last month, there's a lot of public interest in it, of course.

there is a lot of reasons why they'd want to get that ruling out quickly. although, it did seem like, based on the oral arguments, the court is not going to kick ex president trump off the ballot. but, even so, there are reasons why they want to get that ruling out before people start going to the polls. >> i know there is distinction with our reporting when we use the word, the term ruling. taking a look at your note here, with the possibility of getting a really tomorrow, forces this decision, can you talk to us about that distinction? >> often when i'm right about the court, i use the distinction between sometimes when they ignore rulings on the merits of the case, whether they make a decision to hear a case, or they make a decision on an emergency application, or something like, that were not necessarily a ruling. for example, last week, when the court agreed to hear president trump's other case about his immunity claim, that one wasn't a ruling.

that wishes a court site, okay, we're going to hear this case. they laid out a schedule. when the briefs will be filed. they laid out what the legal question would be. of course, they still have to vote on that. whether to hear a case, but it's not a ruling. >> i want to bring in charles coleman to the conversation as well. charles, if you would react to this news for us, the possibility that we could get a ruling on the colorado ballot case. obviously, that is still very much up in the air. all we know is that a ruling will be out tomorrow. what it is, we don't necessarily know. however, a timing of it, lining up with tuesday bayne, obviously, super tuesday with colorado voting on tuesday. certainly that lines up with the possibility of colorado being a part of that ruling. >> it does, yasmin. what it tells me is the supreme court is very clear as to the implications of its decisions and opinions, especially as it relates to the 2024 election. we are talking about the supreme court. people need to understand, it

has been on a power grab with the number of their opinions of late. so it is not surprising to me that the supreme court is looking to weigh in on a very consequential case that has the ability, as you already said, to affect what happens on super tuesday. i do understand that this is a decision that they know is going to have large implications. we don't know how it's going to shape, out but it is very clear that they understand the timeliness of it, and why it needs to come sooner rather than later. >> i want to talk about the immunity here rain if we can't, lawrence, for a moment. i have been interested in this question that i posed to you in the last hour, at the end of the last hour, as to how it is they deliberate on whether or not they're going to take up a case in the first place. we hear the oral arguments for ourselves now, which were incredibly thankful for. what they're discussing as to whether not to take up the case, what are the behind the scenes of that moment? did they discuss this in person? do they stay in their respective quarters, their offices, and send their aides back and forth? how is that done, from what you

know? >> so, they have this closed doors meeting every week when they're in session, where they have a list of cases, appeals, you, know that there can discuss. it's just the nine justices are in that room. no aides, nothing. that is where they decide which cases to hear, and they go around the table, and they vote. it requires four votes for them to take up a case. it takes five votes to order a stay of the -- which was an issue in the trump immunity case, which they actually ended up agreeing to hear the case, so they had four votes for that. there weren't five votes to actually issue a stay. people have been kind of analyzing that to figure out what it means, and obviously, we don't really know what it means, if we're not inside that room. what we can tell is there will probably be some kind of negotiations between the justices about how they are going to handle this. it did take quite a long time to decide that the mom -- what they were going to do, in other words, take up the case, have

oral arguments in april, which is a bit later than some people thought, but, they also didn't put it off as long as trump wanted them to. his lawyers were assuming they wanted an indefinite hold on the proceedings that would have prevented the trial from taking place at all, until much later down the road. so it's kind of, it seems like, you know, a lot of people speculating that there was some kind of compromise among the justices, and that would all happen in that room, and potentially, with some other discussions behind the scenes. >> so much of the, charles, is going to come down to timing, as we talked about, the hearing and this. and this immunity case. what i mean by that is, there has been speculation that they would likely not release their decision until the end of their term, which would land us in the middle of july. the middle of summer, right? there have been some that have gone on the record and said, i mean, they could expedite the timing of the release of that decision. they don't even have to have all their ducks in a row when it comes to, for instance, the dissenting opinions and the decision to release the actual decision, if they feel like it,

incumbent upon them to do that, because of, obviously, the election, the trial that needs to go on maybe before the election. they find that's important enough. if, and i'm just connecting some things here, if, tomorrow, there is a ruling released on the colorado ballot case, could that indicate to you that understand the importance of release in this immunity decision earlier than the end of their term? or do you think that we should not be going that far? >> i think, unquestionably, it is clear that they understand the implication of the timeliness of whatever decisions they make. i think it's important to understand, this illustrates just how sort of independent the supreme court is in terms of its ability to make autonomy decisions. they know that if they released the immunity decision earlier than later, that's going to accelerate this criminal trial, if they, for example, fight against them, which i expect they will. they also know that if they prolong, it's going to prolong the trial. they're very clear as to when

and how they will impact what it is that they're going to impact, as it pertains at this election, and the cycle. the autonomy of the supreme court allows them to move when they want to move, and delay when they want to delay. as you talked about already,, yasmin they can make the decision whenever they, wanton issue the opinion whenever they choose to. if they wait until later in their term, to do, that they are very clearly making a statement as to how they want to impact this election regardless of how a political -- in the supreme court's. they do understand, and they are very clear that by releasing the immunity decision later in the court, for example, they are absolutely impacting, and putting their thumb on the scale of this election. independent, in a regardless of what any of them says. >> i think, probably, when all the indictment were coming out over the last year or so, charles, a lot of, us and many folks who i was speaking to, we're looking at the d.c. trial, georgia, we were looking at the florida mar-a-lago documents case, as kind of the one, two, three. the three most important of the

trials. then the hush money case was more of an afterthought because, as they saw up, the strength of the case and what it was really about, and the implications, really. how should we be looking at this cc, sorry, the new york hush money case beginning on march 25th now, with the possibility that none of these three other trials may even go before the election. >> i think it becomes more of a curiosity. i don't necessarily know, to your point, that it was really registering on most people's minds, attorneys included, and terms of this level of importance, in this degree of severity. it could be, quite frankly, yasmin, and this is the only trial that we see take place before the actual election. for any chance that donald trump has to be a convicted felon, before november's election, that may be the only one. will it matter? ultimately, probably not. even if convicted, i highly doubt that he will receive jail time. it's questionable as to whether it will impact the mines or choices of those in november. it does become a greater issue,

and more of a curiosity for the voting public that it had been up until this point. no one could've predicted how these things around his other cases would have developed. >> for folks that want to see donald trump have accountability, for those individuals, i think the thing that we have often times forgot to talk about over the last week or so, with all of this news coming out of the supreme court, charles, has been the decision from ankara, the ruling from engoron, the 450 million-plus in which the former president is going to have to pay. and the fact that now, he may have to fire sale some of his assets here in new york, because it doesn't seem like, despite what he has testified to, it doesn't seem like he has the money. >> it doesn't. i think that you had the nail right on the head when you talk about accountability. i have long said that for people who are looking for a particular brand of accountability as it relates to donald trump, that brand been

seen him shackled in an orange jumpsuit behind bars, this is likely going to have fun and in some shape, form, or fashion. -- when you talk about a 90 plus million-dollar verdict in the case of eugene carroll, and the multi million dollar, nine figure verdict against him in the civil fraud case in new york, this is unquestionably accountability. you're talking about someone whose business enterprise in new york is, for all intents and purposes, given his age, and where he's at in life, pretty much over. that is accountability. it's the accountability that some were expecting, what they perceive to be his alleged and indicted criminal locks. perhaps not. that does raise the question, what does accountability for someone like donald trump look like? he is likely going to have to look at some of his assets to satisfy these judgments. in my book, that is accountability, although, it may not necessarily be what we were looking for. >> charles, thank you. lawrence early, thank you for bringing us that breaking news. we appreciate it. also, want to get to some more

breaking news this hour, when it comes israel and hamas. today, negotiations for a cease- fire and gaza are taking place in egypt. no israeli officials are tending. israel is that they accept the framework of a six-week cease- fire and hostage exchange. as pressure is building for the united states and global leaders to broker a deal before the muslim holy month of ramadan begins one week from today. democratic lawmakers today say that the biden administration should demand a permanent cease- fire from israel to halt the catastrophic humanitarian situation. >> we can't continue to transfer weapons while we're transferring aid. that policy doesn't make sense. my plea to this president, my support deeply is that mister president, call for a permanent cease-fire. there is too much suffering. as well as the releasable's hostages. the policy of bear hug netanyahu has not worked. we need a new direction a policy. we need a permanent cease-fire. we need the release of hostages. we need to call for palestinian

state, in -- the policy is not working. >> this is coming as u.s. military plans made their first airdrop of aid into gaza, delivering 38,000 meals to the enclave amidst a looming famine there. i want to bring in matt bradley, on the floor for us in london. matt, if you can walk us through negotiations yesterday, you are not very optimistic. should we feel better about where we are? >> well, just, today we're hearing about all these negotiating parties, they've all arrived in cairo today with plans to return to those negotiations tomorrow. it's just as you said, yasmin, i should say all the parties, except for one. israel's -- they didn't go. but nbc news heard from the negotiators of the israeli side, they said that despite not being, that they are optimistic for the negotiations will be successful. the israelis, the reasons they're not going, they said, they said they didn't go because cairo hasn't, because they didn't go to cairo because hamas hasn't fulfilled their demands that it provide a list of all of the israeli hostages in gaza who are still alive.

the israelis want to know what they're negotiating for. whether or not the hostages are negotiating for our dad or if they're still alive. there were some recent statistics recently, just a couple months ago, saying about a fifth of those hostages have already been killed. so even though we're here rain optimistic sounds from all sides, this is a slow process. there have been several false stops in the past, you and i've spoken about it on air. it's a bit different this time around. now there's a bit of a deadline. the palestinians want to see a six-week pause in the fighting. time for the beginning of the holy month of ramadan, on march 10th, that's about a week from today. israel has also said that if hamas doesn't agree to the steel, it's going to begin its assault on rafah. that's a southernmost city, where israel says that the last remnants of hamas or hiding out. this is also worth 1.5 million palestinians have fled for refuge, from israel's nearly five-month-long assault on the gaza strip. in fact, rafah was where they were told to go by the

israelis. now 130,000 people have been killed, mostly civilians, according to the minister of health. now starvation is increasingly becoming a killer. the gaza health ministry is saying that as many as 15 children have died of starvation and dehydration over just the past few days. >> nbc's matt bradley for us. matt, thank you. we appreciate it. want to bring in now, washington post craddock congressperson, jayapal. congresswoman, as always, it's a pleasure. we just heard the painting -- when you know what is happening on the ground right now in gaza. how are you viewing the airdrops that were put together by the biden administration? >> well, yasmin, it's always good to see you, it's good to be on with you. look, i think that it's important that we get whatever aid we can into gaza, and so, i'm supportive of the airdrops. i just have to say, 38,000 meals, there are 500,000 palestinians in gaza right now on the brink of starvation.

and the fact, is the united states has been continuing to fund with military aid, this war on gaza, and israel is refusing to open the borders and allow humanitarian aid in. so on almost every counts, i have been saying, for some time, that i was one of the earliest people to call for a cease-fire. i believe now more than ever, it is clear that is real, this is government, prime minister netanyahu does not share the stated goals of the united states of america. not on humanitarian aid, and ensuring that the least number of palestinians are killed, or injured, not in terms of a prominent two-state solution for peace that allows palestinians and israelis to live side by side, with security and freedom, and certainly not in terms of the stated things that the united states continues to say. for example, if israel launches

this attack on rafah, it is absolutely a violation of human rights, and the international humanitarian law. i think many of the things that done already have violations of international humanitarian law. i have been saying, publicly, and privately, to the white house, that it is time to make a dramatic shift in our foreign policy towards israel. we need an immediate, permanent cease-fire. we need to get aid into gaza. we need to begin the reconstruction. and, we need to force israel to the table, and, we're talking about a different government for the palestinians, and different government for the israelis, where we can have a legitimate negotiation around what a long term piece looks like in the middle east. >> are they receptive to what you are saying? the white house. are they receptive to saying that there needs to be a major change in our policy towards israel? >> well, i think you've seen

some of the shift and rhetoric. but, we need an actual policy shift. we have leveraged. i do not believe that we can say that we don't have leverage, when we are funding this war. we are complicit and what's going on, yasmin. if you look at, there have been reports showing that 83% of the bombs that have been dropped in gaza are u.s. bombs. these are u.s. military weapons. the idea that we are continuing to provide that funding to israel, as we see all of this tragedy. i mean, 30,000 palestinians killed. 70%. that's over 25% of them women and children. children starving. pregnant women, living in tents, unable to figure out whether or not they're going to be able to deliver their babies. no hospitals. i mean, this is an absolute horror, and we cannot just say,

oh, i'm sorry, you know, it's over the top, but refused to do anything to get israel to shift, or at least to completely distance ourselves, and work with the rest of the middle east allies to ensure that we have a long term solution. >> you say an incursion into rafah would be a violation of international law. that is the only condition the united states haves and giving continued aid to israel. otherwise, it is the only country that does not have conditional aid beyond that condition. is it time for that to change? >> absolutely. absolutely. there should be conditions. i actually think we need to go further than that. we cannot continue to provide this aid. i think all of those conditions have already shown to be broken, and defensive aid is one thing, but offensive, military aid that is assisting in the destruction and the killing of palestinians, it is

not acceptable. it is undermining our global influence around so many issues, including human rights, but our broader policies around the middle east, and our allies in the middle east, i really think that this is time for a shift. i think the white house is listening. i hope that that shift is going to come very, very soon. i don't see israel willing to recognize that even the stated goal of eliminating hamas, this is not going to happen by killing tens of thousands of palestinians, and destroy in gaza, and allowing for israeli cabinet members to call for essentially, the complete elimination of palestinians in gaza. that is just, it's horrific. i think we have to look at the tragedy that we have to look at the fact that we do have

leverage. president joe biden is probably the only person in the united states is probably the only player that can make a significant difference with the middle east allies, and with our european allies. most of whom are in the same place that i am articulating today, on your show. >> you talk about the international implications here. there are domestic implications. we saw that in michigan. i was on the ground in michigan, talking to a lot of muslim american voters. 13% are voting uncommitted and the democratic primary. i know, when barack obama was running in the primary, 11% of that uncommitted votes. this is something that has happened before. however, some of the people we spoke to says it doesn't matter at this point, that it matters what the president does. they're not voting for him in the general. there is no way they can get him back. they felt this personally, right? they've lost family members, entire bloodlines at this point in gaza. how does the president, and his

reelection campaign, how do they gain back some of those votes? can they? >> i do think it's possible. i think the timeline is short. i think very quickly, we need the policy shift. rhetoric is important, language is very important. i'm going to be watching very closely at state of the union. also, for what the president says on, this and how he talks about it. it has to be a policy shift. then, at the same time, we have to really rebuild the trust, and the relationships between progressives and congress, progressives across the country, progressives in k states, and we have to have an agenda that reflects a dramatic recognition that progressives are a major part of the coalition that allowed joe biden to win in 2020. it was a fragile coalition. we have structures in 2020 that

made that work, including the biden sanders unity task forces. we can't do the exact same thing this time, but i am in conversation with the white house about how we start to frame up what it is we are fighting for, the deep threats our democracy faces if donald trump comes and again, but also, what is president joe biden, and what do democrats push for? and stand for? both domestically and internationally. it's going to be a long haul. i believe it's possible. those shifts have to start now. jasmine, i just have to say, it can't be shaken your finger of people and saying, well, you know, you should just vote for joe biden because he's better than donald trump. it's not going to work. it doesn't work with our kids, is not going to work with the progressive base across the country. we need to respect where they are, the moral outrage there feeling, and then we have to earn, when back, deliberately the votes of people across this

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number of college educated voters, and that is a demographic that has been strong and consistent for nikki haley. back in 2020 former president trump did win the d.c. primary but that was uncontested an uncontested race in 2016 he came a distant third behind senator marco rubio. take a listen to what voters i spoke with today are saying about this year's gop primary. >> anything is possible, if people come out and vote, right. i think if people come out and votes, they make a difference, and we'll see what happens at the end. >> being a republican here isn't like being a -- anti trumpers in d.c., and that's been going on for years here. >> what do you think about her vowing to stay in the race until super tuesday, even though she's basically lost all primaries contest so far by wide margin? >> at first i thought it was admirable and then it kind of was like girl, you need to bow out with some grace because this is just it's not, looking

good. >> there are about 23,000 registered republicans here in washington d.c., and we continue to see a steady stream of them coming in to vote today, the polls will close at seven pm and i'm told that result should come out about an hour after that. back to you. >> rejection, thank. you appreciate. it something amazing, everyone just happened in iowa, details on that next. on that next. with nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec.

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some breaking news, folks. i was caitlin clark making her mark on the history of college basketball. joining me on the phone, -- she's inside the stadium in iowa city. jesse, talk to me, what was this moment? like >> hey yasmin, it was something that we are all expecting, for context 8 point window into the -- and it's still going on in the 2nd half here, the hawkeyes hosting ohio state. and just to put this in

perspective, -- record-breaking tear already, she is recently become the all-time leading scorer for division i women basketball, then she began their all-time leading scorer for major college women's basketball, which included an era for board the ncaa was governing women's basketball, and she was just 18 point away going away into did today's game from pete maravich's record, which is the all-time record for both men and women. just before halftime she became the all-time leading scorer. she needed 18 points, and this is someone who is known for a flashy and incredible passes, she is known for taking -- 3 pointers from way downtown, and of course the way that she went about actually getting the record, sealing the deal, was at the free throw line. for anyone who's a basketball fan, hearing this they might be chuckling because it always comes back to fundamentals. i can hear my dad come telling me when it plays a kid, and he

was coaching, you've got to be able to make your free throws. she certainly proved why she's the g.o.a.t. right there. because she some 2-3 throws with a sold out crowd watching. tickets have been listed for thousands of dollars online, to see this game, and people certainly got their money worth now because she is now the all- time leading scorer for all of college basketball, ncaa basketball, both men and women. she's of course been a role model for so many across the country, talking to people young and the generations beyond as well to see this as someone who people can look up to, and she is now taking her record breaking streak to a whole new level, with what she's done today. i should add -- at last check from -- he was watching well i'm talking here, 23 points right now. so she is not done yet, and i think she's going to keep setting records even higher,

because -- big 10 tournament and march madness coming up. >> your producers like you go do it, jesse. i'm gonna keep watching this game. you go do your work, i'm gonna keep watching this game. >> we played rock paper scissors. >> that's so awesome, she can do it too. jesse kirsch for us, appreciate. it all right, surviving super tuesday, nikki haley's big plan if she gets beaten again. plan if she gets beaten again. you n. get the new iphone 15 pro with tons of storage. so you can take all the pics! (vo) trade-in any iphone in any condition and get a new iphone 15 pro and an ipad and apple watch se all on us. only on verizon. power outages can be unpredictable, inconvenient, and disruptive to your life, posing a real threat to your family's comfort and safety. when the power goes out, you have no lights, no refrigeration, no heating or air conditioning. the winds are not letting up at all here. we're going to see some power outages. number one thing to prepare for is extended power outages. are you prepared?

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there is a chance that nikki haley could get her very first primary when. 19 delegates are at stake in the d.c. primary. they will be awarded to the candidate who receives more than 50% of the vote. donald trump still has more momentum heading into super tuesday, though. the former president -- idaho, misery, michigan nominating contest on saturday. i want to go down to nbc's sarah dean, in burlington vermont for, us where nikki haley is campaigning at this hour. welcome to. you haley's at vermont right now, heading to maine after. what's it like on the ground there? >> yeah, yasmin. it's feeling like crunch time for the haley campaign. she just raptor of and here in vermont, as she has been campaigning across the entire country, she's on the nine state swing right now and it's all leading up to super tuesday as you mentioned. the campaign has always set super tuesday as a benchmark, haley is committed to staying in through super tuesday at but has made no firm commitments

beyond that. with a third, over a third of delegates at stake on super tuesday, it could be made a break for the campaign. the big question is, if her -- which he endorse former president donald trump. this morning on meet the press she had a really interesting exchange with kristen welker on their rnc pledge that she signed in order to participate with those in those rnc presidential primary debates earlier this year. take a listen to this. >> are you bound by the rnc pledge? >> the rnc pledge, i mean at the time of the debates we had to take it to where would you support the nominee and you had to -- in order to get on the debate stage you said yes. the rnc is now not the same rnc. now it's -- >> so you're no longer blot bound by that pledge? >> no, i think all make the decision i want to make, but that's something i'm not thinking about. >> so you heard haley there she said she doesn't think that she's bound by that rnc pledge

anymore, that comes after four months i've been following the haley campaign and in the last month she has continuously and aggressively upped her rhetoric against former president donald trump. that being said, she really has an uphill battle on tuesday just to give you an idea of the stakes and the odds the campaign faces, these three new england super tuesday states that she's in yesterday and today, massachusetts, maine, and vermont's, they all have a 50% threshold that any candidate that gets over 50% will win all the delegates. even though they have open primaries and even though there are some good demographics for her here, she could potentially walk away from one or all these states with no delegates, yasmin. >> and the c-17 for, us thank you, sarah appreciated. some breaking news -- we've got crowds -- selma, alabama, the 59th anniversary of bloody sunday when white police beat black civil rights marchers in 1965. president biden gave a speech and took part in the annual walk across the bridge last

year. today vice president kamala harris will be speaking and -- we're gonna bring you her remarks live, coming up. later on, politicsnation with al sharpton will be live from selma, starting at five eastern. i want to bring in now adrienne elrod, -- senior aide on the biden harris campaign. errin haines, msnbc -- i want to start adrian where our reporter on the ground in vermont just left off, which is this idea of what super tuesday is coming to look like which is very different than we could have ever imagined it to be in a primary calendar. donald trump is running more like an incumbent than we've ever seen in the primary season before. >> yeah, and yasmin he is an incumbent. he served four years so he's being treated like an incumbent. a couple of things, number one donald trump's track record in the primary has not been great. he barely got over 50% in iowa, he didn't do very well in south carolina, i think he got about 60%, so there's still a significant number of republicans who are saying we

don't want trump to be our nominee now, of course nikki haley maybe she will win the washington d.c. gop primary, she's probably not going to win any other primary states at least on super tuesday, but she is staying in for a very different reason, she staying in not only to hold trump accountable but she staying in because she clearly wants to have a future, she wants to be the republican nominee going into 2028, i think she's hedging her bets, very accurately so, assuming that donald trump is not going to win the general election this time, and she is wants to position herself very effectively to be the republican nominee, to be the anointed one going into 2028. so i think it's smart that she staying in this primary, she's got resources, we'll see how long those resources last, but right now she's holding trump accountable and i think that's really important, especially when a lot of republican voters are saying we don't want trump to be our nominee. >> i want to talk about what's happening in salma, coming up, but i do want to touch quickly on something that adrienne just brought up, aaron, that's how

dope is performing. if you don't want to see donald trump win an election in november, and you're watching this primary, normally we've been watching for who's actually gonna be the nominee, we know who the nominee is going to be. what are you going to be watching for in terms of numbers, in terms of turnout, on the super tuesday. >> listen, i think that you're making a great point, jasmine, because there are things that are familiar about this election, certainly donald trump feeling like an incumbent but this is not a status quo election because we are not having a status quo conversation about the future of our democracy, this election is literally about whether or not we are going to get to have more elections, and so it will be very interesting to see, what happens coming out of super tuesday i think that we know that donald trump continues to have this holds on the republican party, but for folks who are casting their ballot for somebody other than

donald trump it will be interesting to see how many of those people are doing that, because they are concerned about the future of our democracy, here we are talking heading into the actual anniversary of bloody sunday, which is coming up on thursday, democracy is definitely on the ballot for a lot of people, and regardless of what happens with donald trump in a courtroom setting it is really going to be up to the voters to decide what his future is going to be in terms of whether or not he has another opportunity to govern. >> i'm glad that you help me make that transition to salma because i do want to touch on that and i want to talk about the choice of vice president kamala harris to be speaking today, the significance of that inside an election year on the 59th anniversary or four days between the 15th anniversary of bloody sunday. what do you make of that? >> yeah, vice president harris is no stranger to hair salma, she's been there on the ground

three times before already, both before and since becoming vice president, including in 2022 when she talked about the importance of voting rights after congress failed to pass legislation to really short up those federal protections on the ballot box. bloody sunday was a catalyst for the passage of the 1965 voting rights act at which has been gutted in recent years by the supreme court. i think it's also interesting that there's really a spotlight on alabama on this years anniversary particularly around issues of rights and freedoms, and so i think what we can expect to hear from vice president harris in the speech is her continuing to kind of hammer that message time together the freedom to vote, the freedom to make decisions about your body, the freedom to really decide how to have a family, this ivf decision by the alabama supreme court is literally about the pursuit of happiness, right? for americans that are trying to either have or expand their families. so she said -- that bridge this afternoon, i guess in about an hour so i think.

it's a symbolic show of the sacrifice that was paid by those foot soldiers that really, known and unknown, in the fight for voting rights. it's a reminder that voting rights have to be defended by every generation because we've learned that this is not a rights that's guaranteed everybody, and it really is everybody's responsibility to make the promise of a multi cultural democracy real. >> i don't know, adrian, if you've heard this like i have but a lot of folks that i sit down and speak to, democrats have had some real criticism when it comes to vice president kamala harris, some warranted, some unwarranted. what do you make of her being criticized so acutely over the last few years in a position as vice president? >> yasmin, we have five hours to talk about this here? i loved -- i worked on hillary clinton's campaign for almost two years, a lot of this is sexist, a lot of this is frankly racist to.

racism as well. the bottom line is kamala harris has been doing a very very excellent job as vice president, every single task that she's been given by the president and his team to do she's delivered on. she's been incredibly effective, and the way that she's using her voice now by traveling around the country on this reproductive freedom tour that she's doing, going into black churches, going to salma to honor those lost on bloody sunday, she is using her voice in a very effective way. again, we as a country have still not quite figured out how to handle a woman who's in elected office, especially as vice president, especially as someone seeking the highest office of the presidency, we haven't quite figured out what we want that person to look, like how we want that person to act, what we want that person to do, i think the vice president is doing an excellent job, i know aaron has written a lot on her work to as vice president, and i think this

whole likability factor is just something unfortunately it's baked into our system, but we all have a lot of work to do as a society to treat women better and more fairly when they're holding when the highest offices in the lands. >> baked into our system, -- if we're women, and if you're a woman of color. and by the way every time that comes up the conversation does turn into a five hour conversation. all right guys, thanks to you both, appreciated. they're not just doing photo ops everybody, coming up next the sometimes forgotten role of first lady and the reality of their enormous impact behind the scenes. the scenes. when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪♪ [ cellphone whooshes ] [ sighs ] that's why progressive makes it easy to save with a commercial auto quote online so you can take on all your others to-dos.

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rights, calling donald trump dangerous to women. joining me now is new york times white house correspondent katie rogers, she's the author of the new book, when american woman, the transformation of the modern first lady from hillary clinton to joe biden. welcome katie, thanks for joining us. i wanna ask you first about some of the protest we've been seeing. how have first ladies handled backlash against their husbands, but also how much sway does joe biden have with the president. >> i think every first lady handles backlash differently, and starting with dr. biden i think she has a history actually especially in the 2020 campaign of meeting protesters head on, literally. she has pushed them away at points when they have gotten too close to her husband, i don't think either biden has with the gaza protests i think

both bidens have taken the tack of letting those people speak, saying it's their first amendment right to, it's a little different now that there's abide bubble around them, but i was all to say that she has not really shot away from people who are protesting her husband, and then your second question about how much influence she has, she has an enormous amount of influence in terms of the political decisions that her husband is making, where he is going, how he looks when he is there, during the trips he takes. she has a lot of oversight politically she's not only someone who weighs in on policy, although as an educator she was part of his conversations about canceling student loan debt, for example. but she is at the center of a very tight and very insular inner circle.

>> it's interesting because dr. jill biden is the first first lady to have a job outside of the white house, which is really incredible to think about. when you look at for instance the workforce, and how so many women are working women, tackling both being a mom, a wife, and a professional. there are other first ladies that obviously had jobs and professions before their husbands became president of the united states, but how do you think this distinguishes her as a representative for what women stand for now? >> yeah, i talk to her for this book a couple of times and i remember the second time especially she really emphasized to me that she's a working woman, i actually asked her about retiring and if she ever thought about that and she almost laughed, and it's so much of her identity and so much of her daily life that she really sees herself still as

somebody who leaves the home every day, or two days a week as first lady, and goes out into the world and interact with people, she has a lot of students who are first generation or immigrant in england language learners and she is around people of a lot of different walks of life, all of the time, and that informs her views about what women are going through, whether or not they are in the public eye and i think that something she prides herself in being able to take these stories back and share them with her husband. >> hillary clinton was tasked with overhauling how health care and she later admitted she felt like it was a mistake to take on a more formal role, how is that affected first ladies? >> that was a conversation i had with hillary clinton for the book as well where she had said if i had known at the time that being first lady would cause so much cognitive

dissonance in leading this policy platform, she had said i'm a policy person, i want solutions, it would've been a dream for me to stay in power so i would've stepped aside. which who knows, hindsight is 2020 and it's impossible to know what she would do over again, that is her feeling now. that has definitely, that experience with her, has established this third rail for every woman who has come after her, right or wrong. women have not really pursued a really ambitious policy goal after hillary clinton. it's more focused on being a very polished messenger, being sort of, in melania trump's case, people wanted her to be a mediating force for her husband. people wanted michelle obama to take on policy but also she faced a lot of different expectations being the first black woman to ever hold the

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