fascists and the isolationists in and around world war ii, and some of the positions that republicans are taking today vis-@-vis ukraine. i wonder if you could talk a little more about that. >> short. we're hearing the exact same language. in the late 1930s we were told that great written was doomed to defeat and that we should take the side of nazi germany. today we are told ukraine is doomed to defeat and we might as well cut a deal with vladimir putin. nothing could be further from the truth. if we aid ukraine it will win this war, but you have these same defeatist appeasement voices that we heard then. we have them now. they were wrong then, there wrong today. >> the echoes should be chilling. jacob heilbrun, the author of

america last, the right's century long romance with foreign leaders. it is an essential read right now. thank you so much for your time. that is our show for tonight. now is time for the last word with jonathan capehart, who is in for lawrence. good evening, jonathan, i have heard that you made a very big interview airing tomorrow night. >> yes. the very big interview that will be taped just hours before it airs, so tomorrow is going to be a very interesting but also exciting day, seeing the president right after that boffo state of the union address. >> yes, it's a huge get. we are all eagerly awaiting your interview. i'm so excited for you. get your beauty sleep tonight after you finish the show. >> i'm good, i'm going to try. thank you, alex. have a good evening. good evening and welcome to the worst week of donald trump's life so far. donald trump's best hope of a get out of jail free card was joe biden losing the presidential campaign. joe biden is not losing the

presidential campaign. no one knows what will happen in november but the biden reelection campaign is fired up and on offense. joe biden forcefully angered the pundits who said he is too old in his state of the union last night. 32 million potential voters watched his speech, likely the biggest audience either presidential candidate will command before the conventions. the campaign announced it is rolling out a new $30 million tv ad it. joe biden and kamala harris will visit all six battleground states this month, starting today. >> my lifetime has taught me to embrace the future. i mean sincerely, freedom, democracy, a future based on the core values that have defined america -- honesty, decency, fairness, equality. treating people fairly. no i really mean it. we don't always live up. that's the american creed.

donald trump sees the story differently. he sees a story of resentment, revenge, retribution. >> i ask today, arizona, are you ready to make your voices heard? do we trust women? do we believe in reproductive freedom? do we believe in the promise of america? are we ready to fight for it? and when we fight we win. >> joe biden has a professional campaign operation. joe biden has the pomp and power of the presidency at his disposal. joe biden has money to spend on being reelected. and donald trump? donald trump watched every minute of the president's state of the union. you know that because he was ranting all night on his janky social media site, including, he's so angry and crazy. okay, old man.

settle down. donald trump is angry about president biden's speech, which the biden campaign felt so good about, it immediately turned it into an ad. >> kind of the american story. again and again i've seen the contest between competing forces of the battle for the soul of our nation. between those who want to pull america back to the past and those who want to move america to the future. it is and how old we are, it's how old our ideas. hate, anger, revenge, retribution, the old ideas. i see a future where defending democracy, we don't diminish it. i see a future restoring the right to choose and protect our freedoms. the middle class finally has a fair shot and the wealthy have to pay their fair share in taxes. icy a future where we save the planet from the climate crisis and our country from gun

violence. above all i see a future for all americans! i see a country for all americans! i will always be president for all americans. so let's build a future together. let's remember who we are. we are the united states of america. america. >> donald trump is angry because of these reviews. in your face biden takes on trumpet and his own doubters. state of the union shows there's life in the old boy yet. biden electrifies democrats, spars with republicans in fiery state of the union address. biden silences the doubters. and so much for sleepy joe. jonathan alter, who has questioned whether biden should run again, said today, quote,

biden proved that he has the strength, endurance, and mental agility to be an effective president. the president didn't just clear the senility bar, he demolished it. and here are the most important reviews -- voters in battleground states. >> he's got a little pep in his step. you know the old school joking around biden was there and it was good to see that he is ready for this election. >> clearly he's totally with it. >> i just thought he nailed it. i saw energy and i love his ad libbing. i just thought he punched back like he should have. >> it was powerful. he got his point across and he's doing a good job. >> he stood strong. he looked like a president and that's what we need to.

>> i thought that joe biden, uncle joe as i like to call him, came off very vivacious, which is important to him and important to everybody. >> i think president biden delivered the strongest speech that i might have ever seen. he came out swinging and he did not hold back, and i couldn't disagree with almost anything that he said. >> i would rather have a president with 81 years behind him then 91 counts. >> i thought joe biden was absolutely amazing. he stood up for himself. he stood up for decency, honesty, and for the american program. he was great. >> super energetic. stay organized. kept delivering punch after punch. saying things about wanting to hear him say without being too combative. >> he delivered. he showed that age is not going to be an issue for him. he has the mental capacity to engage anyone and answer questions on this part. >> i think he did a great job.

he made his point. he got across to a lot of people. i think he did a great job, i really do. >> he might be a little elderly but he's saying and he's a kind man. the other one, he's old, too, but he's crazy. and dangerous. >> trump's old, too, but he's crazy and dangerous. that's it. that's checkmate. there is no issue, no question, no concern of how joe biden, for which the answer is donald trump. >> well here we are, you guys. donald trump is now the presumptive gop nominee for president again, for a third time, despite the fact that he's a twice impeached, four times criminal in datey and racist who's been found liable for fraud and sexual abuse, banned from doing business in the state of new york for three years, owes over half $1 billion in fines, took millions from foreign governments while he was president, tried to

extort a foreign country to interfere in an election in 2020 and encouraged another to help him when in 2016, actively undermining the nation's response to a once-in-a- lifetime pandemic and lead a deadly disease spiral out of control, is about to go on trial for breaking campaign finance laws by paying has money to cover up an affair during the 2016 campaign, orchestrated a month-long coup attempt that culminated in a violent insurrection to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power and install him as an unelected dictator, still classified documents and obstructed attempt to get them back, has never once won the popular vote and has been routinely rejected by a majority of americans in election after election. spews deranged conspiracy theories about everything from climate change to immigration to vaccines to windmills, glitches on presumable words, two syllable words in one syllable words, cheat at golf, can't spell his name, his wife's name or the words indicted, education, unprecedented, stolen, denmark, kentucky, or tap and is on top of everything else, the single weirdest and most offputting human being on the face of the

[ bleep ] planet. and this is the same planet ted crews lives on, so that's saying something. >> donald trump is finally being hoisted by his own petard. it will be pretty hard for the reality tv persona who shoved himself in americans faces for decades, including every tweet during his four years in office, to convince voters he is something else. and if the humiliation of president biden's successful state of the union wasn't enough today, donald trump finally had to pay. he posted a nearly $92 million bond for lying about sexually assaulting eugene carroll. that is donald trump being punished. that is donald trump being held accountable. that is donald trump being bound by the law, like everyone else. yes it's on bond and he's in

the process of appealing, but it marks the end of trump's efforts to delay, deny, and try to break the system to evade justice. it's only the beginning. just 17 days from today, the civil fraud judgment of $454 million plus interest comes do. coincidentally, perhaps politically, the same day as his criminal trial is scheduled to start in new york. donald trump is showing voters he is angry and crazy every day. he is grubbing for money under the weight of civil judgments and he just installed his daughter-in-law as the head of the republicans national campaign committee. 241 days until election day. today was a very bad day for donald trump. but there are almost certainly worst days for him ahead. joining us now, tim o'brien, senior executive editor from

bloomberg opinion and author of trump nation. he's host of the bloomberg podcast crash course, and jennifer rubin, opinion columnist at the washington post and host of the green room podcast. both are msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here. tim, how do you think donald trump is feeling tonight about his future? >> loony, angry, anxious, petrified. dealing with forces he can't control, jonathan. we've talked about this before. you know donald trump is not a sophisticated man. he is not an intelligent man but he's a student of celebrity and he's been fascinated with it his whole life. it's how he things about himself and i think he watched that state of the union understanding exactly what aydin was doing, which was rewriting the script the republicans wanted him to follow when he walked in and gave that address last night,

which was a thought to be stumbling, demented, incapable old man. and instead he came out with a light touch. he had lived exactly what he needed to. he quoted the republicans at least twice on policy issues, off the cuff, and he quoted them with it and i think that's why you saw this massive volume of tweeting from trump, because in real time he understood that joe biden was getting traction, and if joe biden had traction that meant trump has a long eight months that'll ahead of him. these are still early days. it's a long way to november but donald trump is going to be traveling this road, dealing with criminal and civil charges, dealing with a federal prosecution. he is not someone who has any self-control most of the time. he has a financial deficit in his campaign already, and he is, i think already, emotionally

undisciplined, and that is going to continue to haunt him on the campaign trail. and everything he did last night was an indicator that i think he's the only viewer of the state of the union who thought that katie britt did a good job in the address that she gave after biden was done. and if you sort of bookmark last night's event, which began with marjorie taylor greene trying to coax a reaction from biden and instead she looked like a vendor at a baseball game ready to throw hot dogs and beers and then the end with katie britt, who came across as a stepford wife. she was, i think scary and disarming and uncomfortable. and trump sees all that, he sees how the event is book ended and he knows the star of that show was biden, and it frightens him. >> you know, jen, speaking of marjorie taylor greene, she challenged the president, as tim pointed out, challenged the president and lost on national television. how do you think trump saw that? how do other republicans feel about being associated with

that? >> well donald trump always thinks he's the biggest bully in town and we all know that to beat a bully you punch them in the nose, and that's what biden did over and over and over again. he did it with humor. he did it with strength in his voice. he did it with a whole really rewriting of the script, telling the story of his presidency and the mess that he was handed by donald trump. and i would like to point out also that this is a punch in the nose for the media. it was basically carrying the trump line for months now, who had written him off in story after story about how old he is, how he was going to lose, how he's out of it, how no one thinks the economy is going well, and really there have been some lonely voices in the wilderness, like mine, saying i think you've got this wrong.

this is not a race. this is not biden and i think joe biden returned people to reality. but i'm shocked, shocked, jonathan, you didn't like that young lady in the remodeled kitchen. wasn't this like a home remodeling show? this was politics? i didn't notice. listen. >> oh my god. >> seriously, to be more serious, this is also a huge problem for donald trump and the rest of the republican party. not only have they stirred anger across the country on abortion, which is now a 60, 65 percent issue the other way. but with ivf they really expressed and explained just how radical and nuts they are. and i think they are backpedaling as fast as they can. they can't do it because mike johnson, who himself looked very weird last night, let's face it, won't say that a fertilized egg is not a person. therefore the egg gets all the rights. the woman gets none of the rights.

so they have a huge problem with women. they have a huge problem now that they have been identified as the party preventing a deal on immigration. that was going to be their ace in the hole, right? open borders, open borders. i think biden has turned that around, and lastly, he has labeled them as poodles of putin, which they are. >> this is how you know how bad senator katie britt was. both i and hugh hewitt are in agreement. he also thought she was terrible. that's how i know. go ahead. tim -- >> when was the last time you were in agreement? >> rarely. rarely. and yet today we were in agreement three times. but tim, let me get you on the e jean carroll situation. trump had to post bond to pay

jean carroll while he's begging the rnc to pay his legal bills. what does that tell you about his money situation and how do you think this factors into trump's state of mind that he's finally being held accountable and has to get up off some cash? >> there's this long-standing myth that donald trump is untouchable legally. but that myth, like so many things in his life, had never really been tested. he had never really walked up in front of a very muscular, robust federal and state investigations by prosecutors who were determined to hold him accountable. and he has at least four very serious and perilous judgments staring him in the face. on the financial side of it, he's scraping for money. there's been a widespread assumption that donald trump might have several hundred million dollars in cash at his disposal, but that was largely

dependent on deposition testimony he gave in which he said he had $400 million. but donald trump never tells the truth and famously, i think his lawyer townsend once said i wouldn't believe donald trump if his tongue was notarized. the simple fact that people are believing that $400 million is there because he said it in his deposition, without realizing the money is not there, he's scrambling and he has another judgment he's going to have to deal with, $450 million. >> that other judgment is -- i'm glad i'm not him. for a host of reasons. the $454 million is a big one. jen, real quickly, last thoughts, real quickly. >> first of all, i want to know why chuck is giving him the money. i think the shareholders of trump should be very concerned and secondly, when it comes to the $450 million, if he doesn't have that, and remember he's been begging for a stay of that judgment, they are going to come after his building. so we will see the perhaps letitia james tower. perhaps we will see mar-a-lago

in e jean carroll's hans. this is really his worst nightmare because he's maintained this myth of success and he's not successful. he's a loser. >> i mean i think if you really want to send a message, i know there's a building on fifth avenue and 56th street that would just really just get to the heart of the matter. tim o'brien, ted rubin, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. coming up, donald trump's half $1 billion he owes after his losses in civil court. will trump be able to find a bond for the judgment in the new york civil fraud case? and how long will he be able to drag out the appeals process? that's next. that's next. and leaves your system fast. by the time you wake up, you're ready to take on the day. try it and feel the difference. mucinex nightshift, it's comeback season. only at vanguard you're more than just an investor you're an owner. that means your priorities are ours too.

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civil defamation suit carroll won against him in january. trump had done everything he could to avoid ponying up but in the end he couldn't put it off any longer, submitting his bond with just three days to go before the deadline. the bond, which was issued by the federal insurance company, represents 110% of the damages carroll won and would be returned to trumpet his appeal was successful. judge lewis kaplan gave e jean carroll and her team until monday morning to file any opposition to the specifics of trump's bond. on social media, carroll called the news of the bond stupendous, writing that even though her attorney is, quote, strong enough to yank a golden toilet out of the floor in trump tower and toss it through the window, this bond saves robbie the trouble of showing up with u.s. marshals on monday to do so. robbie is robbie kaplan, the

lawyer. with the bonding the carroll suit secured, now all trump has to do is come up with another bond 40 $454 million verdict in new york attorney general letitia james's civil fraud suit against him. he has until march 25 to do that, which just happens to be the same day manhattan district attorney alvin bragg's criminal hush money case against him is set to begin. joining me now is mark sauer. he is a veteran new york business litigator who has secured many appeal bonds. thank you very much for being here. now that trump has finally secured this bond, where does the process go from here? what happens if his appeal is unsuccessful? >> good to be with you, jonathan. it's a great day for bonding companies, as you are observing. i think to just give you a little context about what a bond is, a bond is simply a

piece of paper that reflects a promise to pay. think of it like a u.s. bond. the government promises to pay under certain conditions and what's applicable here is a reputable bonding company has put up a bond which says if this judgment is affirmed, we will pay it and of course we can talk about bonding companies are there to make money so they're not going to make that promise without adequate security for mr. trump. they can take 100% of the amount of cash that's not going to happen because if trump had the cash he wouldn't need a bonding company, wouldn't have to pay their hefty fees. so with the bond in place, as you say, if the court accepted on monday, then all attempts that ms. carroll might make to enforce the judgment will come to a stop and actually that would be a home run for ms. carroll because if the judgment is affirmed on appeal, she won't have to worry about chasing mr. trump or mr. trump's assets. she can simply look to the

bonding company and then it's the bonding company's problem to be secure to make sure that it can get compensated by mr. trump. >> wow. we don't know yet -- we don't yet know the specific terms of trump's bond, but given your expertise, how much do you think this bond is going to cost him? >> it's going to cost a lot. i think of it like going to a pawnbroker, it says $1000 and it's fine, give me a rolex watch but it's going to cost you $200 up front. so maybe it will be 5% of the amount of the bond. it's a negotiation between the bonding company and mr. trump. if it's 5% you can do your arithmetic in your head. that's a lot of money for a $91 million bond so it's going to cost a lot of money. not so easy. >> oh, okay. now i get it.

he didn't handover $91 million in this bond company is holding it. he gave them a little percentage of the $91 million and if he loses the appeal then he's got to find that money. i got that right, right? >> yeah. just about what the bonding company will make out a check. the carroll lawyer say okay, bonding company, which is an insurance company, he's lost the appeal. we'd like a check for the full amount of the judgment with interest. they need $90 million at that point so it's the bonding company's problem to pay up and it's the bonding company's problem to make sure it's secure, that it has assets it can realize to get hold for mr. trump. >> right, i got it, i'm following. trump cut it close in securing that bond. what do you think about his prospects of finding someone to help with his almost half $1

billion appeal in the new york attorney general's case? >> i think he's going to have a lot of difficulty there. what he is offered the state court in that case is to pay -- is to put a bond up for $100 million. he's not offered to put up the full amount of the $450 million or $500 million. he's got that issue before an appeals panel, which is going to get a briefing within the next couple of weeks, and if the appeals panel says, sorry, we want the full amount of the bond, then the attorney general will start making a run for mr. trump's assets and she has said publicly that's what she intends to do, because if you can't post the required amount of bond, then the attorney general is free to start her collection efforts on the $500 million judgment. >> thank you. >> absolutely. that's going to be a sad day for mr. trump if that were to

happen. thank you very much for coming to the last word. joining me now, paul butler, professor of law at georgetown university and former federal prosecutor. he is an msnbc legal analyst. thank you as always for being here. with special counsel jack smith's cases against donald trump getting either ground to a halt or immunity appeals or bogged down by the judge in the classified documents case, does carroll's case show there are still ways to hold trump accountable? >> you bet . it does, jonathan, because guess what trump has not done since he got whacked with that $84 million verdict -- he has not defamed e jean carroll. he quit lying about her because he knows if he does, she's going to slap him with another defamation lawsuit. so going bankrupt seems to scare trump more than going to

prison. >> do you think trump will be successful on appeal in either overturning the judgment or lowering the penalty? >> no he won't be. there's this myth, as we heard from your earlier guest, that trump beats his court cases, he's successful at delay but when judgment day comes he loses all the time. he lost to e jean carroll in the defamation case. he lost to lakisha james in the civil fraud case. he lost his case involving his fake university in the case involving his fake charity, so i don't think he's going to be successful in part of the civil fraud case because he had such a lousy lawyer representing him. but again, he's often just wrong on the merits. >> paul butler, as always, thank you for joining us. coming up, the fact that the

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now my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want . that's a quote. the former president actually

said that, bowing down to a russian leader. i think it's outrageous. it's dangerous and it's unacceptable. my message to president putin, who i've known for a long time, is simple -- we will not walk away. we will not bow down. i will not bow down. >> that was president biden last night drawing a stark contrast with donald trump and vladimir putin isn't the only autocrat donald trump seems to be bowing down to these days. donald trump hosting hungarian strongman victor orban a few hours ago at mar-a-lago, just days after prime minister orban said that the only chance for peace in ukraine is if donald trump returns to power. victor orban told an economic forum on monday, quote, it is

not gambling but actually betting on the only sensible chance that we in hungary bet on the return of president trump. in 2022, the european parliament announced that hungary can no longer be considered a full democracy. so the fact that hungary is betting on the return of donald trump should scare you, and the fact that donald trump is on the hook for nearly half $1 billion in civil judgments should really scare you. why? this is what the former head of the justice department's national security division told time magazine four years ago., quote, for a person with access to u.s. ossified information to be in massive financial debt is a counterintelligence risk because the debt holder tends to have leverage over the person and the leverage may be used to encourage actions that compromise u.s. national

security. joining us now, david rough calm, foreign affairs analyst and columnist for the daily beast. he is also the host of the deep state radio podcast. david, great to see you. thank you for being here. victor orban is often seen as putin's closest ally among european union leaders. where is orban on russia's invasion of ukraine? >> well he's sort of been on both sides of the issue but the point that you may just at the outset there is the most important one. heat like trump want the issue settled. trump has said he can settle it in a day. of course the only way you settle it in a day is you say okay, vlad, we're going to give you whatever you want. i think that's what putin wants. that's what orban wants and that's what all that cluster on the global right seems to be aiming for here. they are betting trump can come in and handed ukraine, or a

chunk of it, over to putin. >> david, listen to what president biden said in pennsylvania today, criticizing donald trump for that meeting with orban today. >> orban, hungary, who stated flatly he doesn't think democracy works, looking for dictatorship. only member of nato, that's who he's meeting with. i see a future where we defend democracy, not diminish it. >> david, president biden right there once again describing donald trump as a threat to democracy. >> i think the striking thing last night about the state of the union was right out of the gate president biden compared this moment to the moment in early '40s when we faced the tran30s, the greatest fascist threat we've ever faced, and he made a direct connection to the

threat from trump and the threat from those fascists 80 years ago. he didn't pull any punches on that and i think this is the first week of the campaign. it's super tuesday . then we have the state of the union and within 24 hours what have we seen? we've seen biden say i'm going to fight for democracy, i'm going to stand up against my opponent, who supports trump, and we've seen trump embrace victor orban, one of putin's errand boys, and last night the other thing is, you couldn't see it really in your clip there, was that the republicans set on their hands when biden said things that would have been cause for everybody to stand up and applaud, like i'm going to stand up for democracy, i'm going to stand up to russia. they were quiet. why? that's what putin, that's what trump, and that's with that entire movement wants them to be right now. >> david, are you worried about

trump's money problems? >> of course. i mean there's a bit of schadenfreude and enjoying trump's money problems but certainly if trump were anybody else going for any other job in the united states government, and he had those money problems, or he had his history with classified information, or he had his history of taking money from dubious foreign sources, even when he was president, he'd never get a classified clearance in the united states government. and the thought that somehow he's going to be put back in a position where he can override all of that, once again have access to classified information, and he's going to be on the hook for a big chunk of money, and he's not going to be able to get it from the usual sources. that should be a cause for everybody to be concerned. >> david rough cough, as always, thank you very much for coming to the last word.

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