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that is the for us tonight. tonight we begin with an msnbc exclusive interview with my colleague and host of the saturday and sunday shows, jonathan capehart, and president biden. this comes as the president and the former president trump are holding dueling rallies, resenting two radically different visions of america. after both scoring big wins on the super tuesday. both biden and ex-presidents campaigns are gearing up for a close race in the battleground state. the margin was so tight in georgia in 2020 that trump was indicted for pressuring the secretary of state to find him more votes. jonathan, the president discussed a wide variety of issues including his fight for

reproductive access, the israel hamas war, and comments about the so-called crime wave on the border. here is a clip from the interview. >> what is your redline with prime minister? do you have a redline? invasion of russia, would you urge him not to do that? would that be a redline practice >> it is a redline but i am never going to leave israel the defense of israel is still critical. there is no redline i want to cut off. i want to protect them. but there are redlines that if you cross them, they could cause more dead. >> jonathan capehart jointly now from atlanta. great to see you. the great interview. thank you for joining us. i know you are on a tight schedule but you covered a lot of ground with the president during this 13 minute interview prep was sent out to you during your conversation? >> the number one thing to me that stood out, and thank you very much, for having me on your show.

the thing that stood out to me was that the president feels liberated to finally be able to get out of the white house and get on the campaign trail as to speak freely about where he worked to take the country, how much of a danger donald trump is , and to just sort of mixing up. in that clip that you showed, ayman, there were two things that stood out to me in that clip. yeah, he said there is no redline. for him, when it comes to defending israel. but he also said, though, there is a redline when it comes to netanyahu, and so i want to know, what are those redlines beyond, he can't have 30,000 more palestinians killed on his watch. i got the impression that there are other redlines. when it comes to netanyahu, when it comes to the prime minister, but he wasn't going to get into those with me on camera.

>> notably, the president was getting a little bit of heat for something this week. his comments on calling an undocumented person an illegal during the state of the union address that individual is allegedly responsible for the killing of lakin riley in georgia. take a quick listen to this response. >> i shouldn't have used illegal. it was undocumented. look. when i spoke about this with trump, one of the things i said on the border was the way he talks about berman, the way he talks about these people polluting the blood. i said, i told you what i am not going to do. i am not going to treat any of these people with disrespect. >> as he said, he got a lot of pushback for using this word from some of his fellow democrats and migrant advocates. does he get a sense that the damage has already been done? what did you make of his walking back these comments? >> oh, he understands. he understood the damage that

he caused and he was very eager to make amends. you could say he was very eager to clean it up, but he really wanted to make amends. as he said in the rest of that answer, he understood the use of that word, it was contrary to the overall message that he is trying to imparts to the country when it comes to what's happening at the border, when it comes to immigration, when it comes to undocumented immigrants in this country. and that is why you saw him say , you know, you've got donald trump talking about the migrants poisoning the blood of our country, or talking about, you know, the so-called crime wave and other things. and that is contrary to the way that president biden thinks and feels about this issue. and i did get the very clear sense that he knows he made a mistake and he was very eager

to make amends for that mistake. >> yeah. let me play for you donald trump responding to biden's apology in that interview. watch >> they just told me prior to what i am doing right now that joe biden went on television and apologized for calling lakin's murder and illegal. he didn't want to call him and illegal. he said he should have called him an undocumented, not an illegal. he wanted to apologize. he wanted to apologize. >> your thoughts on that, jonathan? >> is proving the president's point about how hurtful that languages. and, you know, let's not forget, this isn't just about people having tender feelings and tender hearts and thinking

that folks are being overly sensitive grade it is because of language like that used by donald trump and used by folks on the far right that people have incentivized to put targets on the backs of latinos and hispanics in this country. let's not forget that a walmart was shot up by somebody, a walmart that was frequented by lot people. this shooter targeted latinos because, if memory serves, he was concerned about a, quote, invasion, which is another word that trump has used and was using at the time. so words have power in these kinds of words that degrade and dehumanize people, particularly from folks on the right, have dangerous power. >> yeah. a very important reminder of that as well. let me ask you about foreign policy for second, because the president, joe biden, mentioned that william burns is in the

middle east now as they are working on a cease-fire, hopefully before the start of ramadan on monday. did you get any indication or sense of the president would be open to a permanent cease-fire, which is what the thousands of folks across the country have been protesting for and pressing him to declare? not just a temporary one but a permanent one. does he still have the hope that it might be achieved before monday? >> let me take the first part of your question about the cease-fire. yes. i think the president wants the cease-fire but i think from what he said and from what we have heard from other folks in the administration, a six-week cease-fire, the hope is that if they can nail that down, then it will be self-perpetuating. that you get that and then the incentives happen and then you get another week or you get another six weeks. the hope is to build to a permanent cease-fire, but i do think that the president's

ultimate goal is a permanent cease-fire. what was the second part of your question, ayman? it has been a long day. i hear you. >> it was whether or not he is still optimistic it can be achieved by monday. or has that split a little bit? >> he is optimistic that a deal can be reached. i do not know if he thinks that it can be done by friday, but what was telling to me about his answer was saying that the cia director is there. even though hamas left cairo a couple of days ago, we have to remember that just because people leave the table doesn't mean that negotiations end. and that was a signal to me that even though hamas has left, that doesn't mean that this policy stopped. and then this age that we are in, how can diplomacy stop when you've got cell phones, you've got internet, you've got all sorts of things so that you can keep the conversation going? i am pretty sure that the president won't be surprised if the deal is intrigued by monday, but that doesn't mean that he

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donald trump's takeover of the republican national committee is officially complete, just two days after his remaining gop rival nikki haley suspended her presidential bid. they installed a new leadership team hand-picked by trump himself they picked north carolina republican chairman michael watley as the new chairman and trumps daughter-in- law, laura trump, as co-chair. now, with the parties new leadership in place, the rnc is facing next net turtle, raising money. they need cash on hand for trump and his allies. that number, $65 million. lara trump noted the cash crunch during an acceptance and she claims to have secured some that day, but then she said, who actually wrote the check? as new money comes in, questions are arising over how that money will be spent with

an increasing number of the ex- presidents reporters urging the rnc to open up its coffers for trump's mounting legal bills. even members of congress are calling on the party to crack open its bank for the ex- presidents personal legal problems. they say they want to build trump out, and marco rubio told reporters, i believe so. senator lindsey graham said he wouldn't have checked if the parties campaign arm came to the disgraced former president 's aid and said he would leave it up to the rnc to figure out the best way forward. i just we need to help our non- ami -- nominee as best as we can. isn't this the guy who was a self acclaimed billionaire? on friday, the ex-president took a step towards combating that growing legal tab, posting a $91 million bond along with a notice to appeal in the e. jean carroll defamation case. a drop in the bucket.

remember, trump is still on hold for $164 million for his civil fraud judgment and that amount continues to grow by the day due to interest. despite claiming any deposition for the fraud case to have, quote, substantially in excess $400 million in cash on hand, late last month, trump asked them to reduce the bond amount to just $100 million, cautioning that he might have to sell properties to get that cash. while the court declines to lower the amount, it did grant trump's request to pause your band that barred him from presuming loans from banks in new york, potentially allowing him to collect funds for his bond. although donald trump got himself into this financial mess, it is now clear he is doing everything in his power to have someone else clean it up and pay for it. here to discuss that and more, we have molly, host of the past

-- fast politics podcast david jolly, and analyst. molly, i will start with you. trump hasn't yet secured the gop nomination but he has installed his loyalist at the rnc , a signal of what could come. along with michael watley and his daughter-in-law, lara trump, the ex-president senior campaign adviser, chris lacivita , will also be the rnc's chief operating officer. is the maga takeover of the gop officially complete? >> yeah. i mean, look for it i think it has been this way for a long time. remember, even when she took that job, she still had to take the romney out of her name. so there has a lot of trump appeasement, but i would say that what is pretty interesting about that is that they kind of ended up being removed because they weren't killing it with

the fundraising. so they put rumps daughter-in- law. i don't know if that will help with the fundraising. i mean, some of what is happening is that these large donors have some pods about pain a billionaire's legal fees, as they well said. i am not convinced, the theatrics of her holding up a -- trump and not a huge surprise. and then trump later ripped using to answer questions about it that is very trump -like friend. but she is not in a position to raise money and then you have donors who had relationships with ronna are now like, what did you do to our person? so this may ultimately backfire on trumps world. >> congressman jolly, this new leadership team that furthered trump claim of election rod.

how dangerous is it? to our political process leaders. they do the ex-president's dirty work for him. >> it is incredibly dangerous. i think that the concern does not need to be as much about if lara trump can turn around fundraising. maybe she will funnel money in trump world. i think it is how she directs this, and to your point, ayman, does it get directed in the direction of donald trump's legal bills? i believe it will. absolutely, without question. and the republican national committee will now go to pay his bills. how does that relate to your specific question against this? that would mean that the republican national committee, as an organization, as a party, very well may be supporting donald trump's defense or past legal bills as it relates to now being held liable for

sexual assault. will some of that go to the e. jean carroll case because trump says he was unfairly targeted? some of his followers believe that. will it go to defend the instruction he caused against the united states? because now this goes beyond donald trump and it is about the republican national committee. when you show quotes like those from marco rubio and lindsey graham, this is their blessing of all of donald trump's malfeasance, and where he has already been found culpable for civil liability. the rnc now owns this, and lara trump will make sure they own it and donald trump will celebrate that ownership. >> molly, the rnc has tried to tamp down the concerns from some members who already worried about the group. his daughter-in-law, to the congressman's point, has said that she thought the idea would receive broad support among the parties base. why are trump supporters so willing to hand over their money to a man who claims to be worth tens of dollars?

why do they fall for the graft that is trump? >> you know, it is a question as old as 2015. right? none of us really know. he has got some type of bold on his face, god knows why. but i do think he is going to run through that money pretty fast. when trump was holding up that check, $100,000 is like a retainer for a lot of these lawyers. so i am not convinced by the way, i mean, the money on trumps legal bills is worse than spending the money on lakes second statewide campaign in two years. what this party is up to is so wild. but again, trump has controlled the party. he always has. marco rubio is yet another person who has yet to be destroyed by trump and it is just sort of a shell of a person at this point.

>> congressman, do you think there is any legal problem here for the rnc to undertake this? just from your experience in politics, what do the rules say about what the rnc can and cannot do for somebody like donald trump? and certainly with the nepotism of having his daughter-in-law in this powerful position. >> yeah. it really comes down to the internal organizational roles in the rnc and then the contributions they make to their donors. you saw these fundraising solicitations. if you read the fine print, 90% of this is basically going to donald trump for some other activity than what the donor actually thinks they are contributing to. but you do see resistance within the rnc. you saw a member of the committee itself make a motion that circulated saying that they prohibit the use of funds for donald trump's legal bills. ultimately, that did not succeed. that was withdrawn. the reason the member offered it is because a number of republicans actually do think that the contributions in the

rnc should be used to elect republican candidates, not to repay his legal bills. this was not a primary we just saw. this was a coronation where donald trump affirmed this complete control of the party. if you want some money for his legal bills, the party is going to give it to him. same on the republican national committee. there are other candidates who have seen more competitive races because there are fewer resources for their opponents. >> well, trumps legal war will continue to grow by the day. he was paying six figures to a company founded by former british christopher steele from the steel dossier. and it was because trump basically sued him, let me get this right. he claimed that christopher steele, he unsuccessfully sued him over this so-called steel dossier. so donald trump projects himself as a winner but has

constantly been losing these legal battles and finds himself more and more drowned in legal debt. >> yes. he is. and i think there are a number of things here that don't quite track. for example, he is a billionaire, but he had to get a bond. and then there was a $91 million bond for e. jean carroll. and then trump is a winner but he keeps losing. i mean, today, trump defamed e. jean carroll again which means there could be trump and e. jean carroll three , which could be another lawsuit. it is certainly possible. i do think he is trying very hard to use these court cases as campaign rallies. he has candidate trump instead of defending trump, and candidate trump is really hurt defending trump. he told the judge that he had

so much money and that he was worth whatever number. and how he says, look. i really don't have the cash. he could have had a much lower fee. so i think it is really quite, he has done this to himself. >> all right. molly and david, please stick around. i will talk to you later. the 2024 presidential election will be a fight for democracy but it is just a drop in the bucket when you look at elections around the world. we will have more on that after this. if you experience irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, you should talk to your doctor. afib increases the risk of stroke about 5 times. when it comes to your health, this is no time to wait.

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first, the rise of a new right populism that has transformed politics here in the u.s. and in europe over the past decade, and second, a new kind of authoritarian rule which is democratic in name only. something we will see in russia later this month. to track the most critical contest in candidates around the world, they have launched an inaugural global election hub. here to discuss this is ben smith, editor of chief. thank you for joining us and let's talk about these movements and see how they are playing out. you've got the rise of right- wing populism, the rise of authoritarian rulers under the guise of democracy playing out around the world. why is it so important is to follow where and how this is unfolding, you think? >> i think everybody in the world, certainly in the united states, is primarily focused on what is happening in their own country, which obviously makes sense. but i think it can be misleading. you can imagine and think that

everything is happening here is a result of american history, domestic politics, things that happened whether it was the 1970s here or last year here. but when you look around the world, you see it is very, very familiar patterns. you see these confrontational, right-wing leaders. you know, this is huge. year-round, immigration. and i think figuring out in what ways trump configure that he is part of the global trend is really important to understand right now. >> there are a lot of countries that we didn't talk about but i want to pick a few and get your thoughts on that. mexico's presidential election, which takes place in june. number one on the list of contests to wash. what is at stake there? why was it ranked number one? >> it is an incredibly

important contest. it is the one place you really see stability and continuity. what you have there is unusual. a left-wing populist who has taken the kind of very, very aggressive approach particularly to the media that you do see often from the right. both the confrontational morning press conferences and using state, particularly state advertising, to control the media. and his party's candidate is cruising to election there. >> you recently wrote that the vast majority of political journalism is national, which is understandable. it tends to look inwards from whether it is washington or westminster or new delhi, the centers of power. as somebody who is a fan of looking outwards, i want to get your thoughts on why it is important to look beyond what is going on in our own country to places that may not make the

headlines regularly. whether it is portugal or four elections, or even a place like turkey included in the hotlist. >> yeah. i think portugal is one. you and i are probably not spending our time thinking about the portuguese elections, which are tomorrow. but, you know, if you look at them, you will see something incredibly familiar. i think this is translated as, we have had enough. coming out of nowhere to look strong as the traditional parties struggled to hold their place. this is a trend you see across europe. this parties focus with what they are talking about, particularly, enough migrant from africa in the least. and i think it could just as easily be here to change the language from portuguese.

>> i guess, let me ask you about the message to journalist pro. there are a lot of lessons to be learned in this country, but what would you say is the message to journalists reporting on this year's political contest, specifically? when it comes to drawing connections between political movements of the world, should we be mindful of this theme as we have these discussions? >> i think there are two things. one, i think that american journalists could get very tied up in the particularities of how trump comes out of american history. in 2020, there was this very intense conversation about race and racism and i think there were arguments that trump was this singular product of america's problems and america's sins. when you look around the world, that is a very hard argument to keep making. he is just very clearly part of this trend of right-wing populism. the other thing that i think journalists need to think about is the extent to which one

family unites these antiestablishment candidates in the media. and the ways in which the media can hold its ground in the face of these attacks without becoming an unnatural foil, without giving them what they want. >> that is a very important point. two important lessons to keep in mind. ben smith, it is always great to talk to my friend. thank you so much. this is an important piece of journalism. >> thank you. thanks for having me. we have the portuguese election here and i know your viewers are eager to hear about that. >> we will have you on tomorrow to discuss the outcomes of that. >> naturally. >> take care, my friend. thank you. we will be back with our worst of the week, featuring a clown car at the republican show for this year's state of the union.

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it is time for our worst of the week. first off, north carolina with the nominee, mark robinson. you have probably heard of this guy. he is a doozy. he has called lgbtq people, quote, filth, advocating for abortions without exceptions, and expressed a desire to take america back to when women couldn't vote. he has defended harvey weinstein and bill cosby and quoted adolf hitler on his facebook. we like to keep our matchups fair, so his opponent is actually not just one but three people due to their performances during the stay of the union. worst of the week favor, congressman george santos, who announced he is running for office again during the prime time speech. combined with marjorie taylor greene, who broke house rules by wearing whatever that is she was wearing. a maga hat . and haggling the president. and then senator katie break,

he used the national spotlight two, i don't know, do something bizarre and dystopian with her response to the state of the union. >> the american dream has turned into a nightmare. life is getting more and more dangerous. we have become a nation in retreat. mr. president, enough is enough. innocent americans are dying, and you only have yourself to blame. goodness, y'all. bless his heart. >> i don't even know where to begin. molly, david, they're both back with me. molly, you have gone through the segments for us. this one takes the cake, but who do you have between mark robinson and the trio of republicans at the state of the union? >> it is a very hard choice. i would say that katie britt ,

her overacting was just amazing. but remember, she -- right. they never do well with that. from bobby jindal to marco rubio. it has never been a good performance for republicans. i do ultimately think that george santos running again against nick, he is my worst of the week because he was kicked out of conference and now he is back to state of the union. >> how do you feel, do you know how he got back to the state of the union? generally, how is he allowed to come back into the halls of congress? >> i think the rules are that you can, but i don't know. it seems like so many things for george santos seem pretty dicey. >> already. what you think?

the trio of republicans or mark robinson and north carolina? >> quickly, on santos, any former network can talk about this. i guess this role needs to be tightened up against members like him. >> i was going to say. i think for this week it is a safe argument to make. let's tighten it up a little bit. >> yeah. i would say among the three republicans, it is par for the course. racism, misogyny, anti-semitism . we see that baked into a lot of candidates so i am not concerned about that. the graft and criminality of santos we have seen before. but senator katie britt, it is a bless your heart right back at you for that performance this week. and this is cringe worthy. all of the means are true i would say this in a very real way. it screams white privilege. that somehow this lady is terrified of something that is

still so statistically not relevant to most people's way of life, but she is threatened by it. heartened by the surge of migrants and uses the terms criminality. i think that liens into the raw xenophobia we saw there. it may have been dressed up in a nice page kitchen and she had a cross around her neck but it was xenophobia at its core. it is exactly what you hear from donald trump when you hear him say, immigrants poison the blood of americans. katie britt just used different language. i think that should be a red flag. >> as somebody who sits there a lot of these segments about worst of the week, the katie britt thing is interesting because i can't recall anyone ever using the state of the union to launch some kind of national profile. i think all of the candidates who have done this response, rather, just totally have tanked their careers. it is the surest, fastest way to basically put yourself in

the dustbin of political history in this country. i've got to ask you, though, congressman, of all the crazy things we have listed in the intro about robinson, he also suggested 9/11 and the moon landing are fake, have said that transgender women should be arrested over bathroom use, and here is what donald trump, who endorsed robinson, had to say about him just last week. wash. >> i think you are better than martin luther king. i think you are martin luther king times two. this is martin luther king on steroids. >> martin luther king times two. what you think of that, congressman? >> ayman , elements of this are represented here that should be called out for being despicable. we don't know what is in their hearts but we know what is on their lips. and we know that donald trump and the north carolina governor should be condemned tonight. >> holly, your thoughts? >> i mean, so racist. just

unbelievable. racist. sexist. xenophobia. again, the anti-semitism. they are so, and the conspiracy theories. look. trump pics carol -- terrible candidates. he always has. from carrie lake to the sky. i mean, this is the brand. these candidates -- great for democrats. >> you made me have to think about something i did not want to think about or even remember. molly jong-fast, david jolly . thank you so much for your time. great to see you this evening. after the break, i will talk to the producer of the oscar-nominated film, "the zone of interest" which is a movie that hones in on the idea of looking away from cruelty.

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at the oscars with five nominations, including international feature film. the film, set in the 1940s, follows the lives of a commandant and his children, whose home is next to the auschwitz concentration camp heard it is a story about denial and complicity, a family turning away from cruelty and murder just over their garden wall. here's a clip. >> >> joining me now to speak with this about "the zone of interest." this movie was thought-provoking in so many ways. you know the film's writer and director spent about a decade thinking through the potential approaches to this subject matter here. talk to us about

what challenges came up as you tried to tell this story of an extremely dark time in human history in a different way than most people have seen before. >> thanks very much for having me on the show. yes. it came out of the period of he talked about making a film about the holocaust, like you said, but to have a point, it would have to be in a way that was different than what had been done before. and john had heard about the zone of interest, which is about a fictional concentration camp and come in dense. from this point of view, the domestic and work perspective was almost like the executive floor. and it was that perspective, that point of view, rather than the victims', or saviors of the

victims, that is perhaps the familiar holocaust trope, that was the spark. it seemed like that might be able to ask interesting and challenging questions, reflecting us, the audience, and john and myself. and about confronting it in the present now. and the challenges, so what happened is we research the backgrounds of these novels, a fictional novel. it was apparent very quickly that it was based on auschwitz and the realities of it and how he lived his life with his family right next to the camp with the garden walls exactly above the camp like in the clip you showed. we saw folks like that and that is essentially in the film, which we shot in auschwitz, right next to the camp.

it is a re-creation of what was in those photographs. the kids playing in the garden with toys on a summer day with auschwitz and full operation. the first gas chambers about hundred meters behind that wall. and it was clear at that point that john was like, okay. i want the points to be about that. the real situation, the condition. i don't want it to be a story, but to look for the similarities of the perpetrators rather than the diff differences. how could these ordinary people do such terrible things? this is the oft quoted line. the almost to go further than that and say, how much like them might we be? >> yeah. >> and the challenge was to always lean into that identification. to try to look for those similarities.

i suppose everything about the way you think you would approach this subject would be to not, right? that is not me. that happened 80 years ago. it is a monstrous event that has nothing to do with me. so the challenge was always to push against that. >> let me ask you about, if i could, something you said. an incredible feat. during your acceptance speech for best film , you spoke about the walls we construct in our lives and then refuse to look behind, and you drew parallels between that theme in the film and what we are seeing now in gaza and the killing of civilians there. could you elaborate on that comparison and why you felt it was important to acknowledge it in the context of this film? >> yeah. well, i don't know if you checked the speech or anything, but i referred to the killing, the ongoing mass killing of innocent civilians in gaza.

and i mentioned yemen because of the bombing. and i referred to the mass killing of innocent civilians in israel, and indeed, in ukraine. and how we appear, as a culture, to have an empathy that is different. that is select. i was making the point that i feel are empathy should be universal. in the film, politics can great in speeches but it felt organic to the questions of the film. we were talking about this before. and, you know, the nazi project was an extreme one but it has echoes with exportation's and of scapegoats and humanized groups of people and many conflicts going back through centuries of racism and imperialism and looking at centuries of this.

and through the holocaust and after it until now. that was also something mentioned in the speech. we said the film is about the present and we tried to make it in a way that feels modern and would reflect us in the present. and that indiscriminate mass killing, the maiming and starving of innocent people in gaza, as a retaliation to the horrors that are happening in the present. eight children in our for 155 days. so it feels, to me, to expect that mass killing of the collateral damage to a military aim, you have to have demonized , sorry. dehumanized those people in some way. in some ways that is the very thin end of the thick edge of the wedge of what is happening. and that is why i felt that

there needed to be something sad about that. >> we are so thankful for the words that you said and for this movie, jim. we wish you the best, and to everyone else who worked on it. we certainly appreciate you coming on the show this evening. jim wilson. thank you. thank you for making time for us at home. i'm ayman, live from los angeles. until we meet again. have a great night. but where did it come from? and how did it get all the way to you? curious? ancestry can help you find out. because that thing has a story, and it's still being written. what are you waiting for, a sale? well, lucky you.

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