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once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. we are now 239 days away from the election and we could be just one day away from donald trump and president joe biden locking up in a delegate to win their party's nomination for president. though is up for grabs for both parties tomorrow in georgia, mississippi, and washington state, republicans will also caucus in hawaii. over the weekend, donald trump rented about his increasingly apocalyptic vision of our country, attacking migrants and mocking president joe biden's stutter. my colleague, garrett haig has a closer look at both candidates on the campaign trail. >> president biden ramping up his re-election campaign tonight. talking donald trump in underground new hampshire. >> donald trump said cut social security and medicare are on the table again. i will never allow that to happen. >> reporter: in the former president after he responded to a reporter who suggested something needed to be done
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about entitlements. please there is a lot you can do in terms of entitlements, in terms of putting and in terms of also the theft and the management of entitlements. i don't necessarily agree with the statement. >> the trump campaign say he was not talking about cutting benefits and cutting waste. mr. trump, just last week, posting, republicans have no plans to cut social security. the president today laying out his budget in a show of second term priorities. the largely symbolic plan would boost spending to $7.3 trillion , while raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations. the president calls for restoring the full child tax credit and proposes national paid lead. >> what is this about basic fairness? it's basic decency. >> meanwhile, esther trump blasting president biden for saying he regretted using the word illegal to describe the alleged killer of georgia nursing student, lake and riley. was a venezuelan migrant who crossed the border illegally two years ago.
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clear lake and riley, and in a sense young woman who was killed . >> he was undocumented. >> met with family before his georgia rally. >> when i say he was an illegal alien, he shouldn't have been in our country and he never would have been under the trump policy >> on friday, trump hosted hungarian prime minister viktor orban at mar-a-lago. if trump was elected, he would not give ukraine a penny in its war against russia, which would end the war. orban also called trump a man of peace. donald trump talked about that meeting on cnbc earlier. >> i just had viktor orban, the man from hungary, he was at my place in florida. very friendly, but i have respect for him. he made a statement. i thought it was a wonderful
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statement. he said, we will solve the problems of the world of donald trump comes back. he said russia was afraid of him, taught china was afraid of him, we had no problems whatsoever under trump. >> remember, viktor orban is a far right european leader who has kept very close ties with russia throughout its war against ukraine. with that, let's get some smarter with the help of our panel tonight. susan glasser is here, staff writer for the new yorker, she co-authored the book the divider, trump and the white house, 2017 to 2021. sam snyder joins us, a veteran journalist and white house editor for politico and senior political analyst matthew dowd, a former george w. bush strategist and founder of country over party. susan your first thought, we are shifting into general election mode. this is donald trump's chance to expand his base, bring in the moderates, but his rhetoric is only getting darker. doesn't it seem like the exact wrong thing to be doing? >> look, trump's playbook is
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his playbook, he is not going to be changing it now and he believes that it was running with regard to his face and his base alone and somehow got him elected in 2016. he is, he governed for four years, he governed this country as the president of red america and saw himself not as the president of the whole country but very much as the president only for those who supported him and i think that is the campaign that we are seeing right now. there are so many echoes on the very first days that trump was entering national politics, the ranting and the demagoguery about immigrants, for example. the very dark apocalyptic vision , remember, american carnage, that was all the way back in 2017. so to me, it was old is new again with donald trump in this campaign. >> can raise, hate, and promises of vengeance win him this general election? it was five days ago we were
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talking about nikki haley voters and how donald trump or joe biden can go for them. i'm thinking about all of those haley donors that i know here in new york, they are running from every single thing he has said in the last five days. >> but can he win? yeah, donald trump can win this election and i put the odds today at 50-50 whether he wins or not. and the country, pretty much all the voters know kind of who he is and what he says and the type of person he is and the type of leader he is and i think it is joe biden's, it is incumbent upon joe biden to sort of set the frame of what a trump presidency would look like. and he has already given us, he has told us this by praising orban or autocross in the country, what is going to look like in the course of this. but donald trump can win it, and i would say that all of this sort of haley, these anti- trump republicans, it is a myth
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that they represent what the republican party has become today. donald trump, in every single pole right now gets 90% plus of republican identified voters. 90% plus. he got 94% of republican voters in 2000 but donald trump does better on republicans than mitt romney did, than john mccain did, then george w. bush did in the course of this. so he is going to have his base, which is probably 40, 42% of the country. right now, and i think that is why joe biden has figured out right now, this early that he has to run a campaign that basically says this is who donald trump is and this is how your life will be affected in a second donald trump term. >> but matthew, even donald trump this weekend, going after joe biden's stutter, maybe you would have made that argument a week and a half ago but he nailed the state of the union address and his stutter is something he has overcome. how is that a win for trump?
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>> donald trump doesn't ever change his direction, as susan says, he is who he is. that is donald trump, he won in 2016 making fun of people with disabilities, saying all kinds of harsh, cruel, and ridiculous things in the course of this. this is who donald trump is. anybody that thinks they are going to be able to manage donald trump in this process, to say or do anything other than who he is. he is an airplane pilot that doesn't change his flight path no matter if there is a storm or if it is clear skies or there is a blizzard headed his way. he does what he is going to do regardless of what anybody else will tell him the outcome is. >> yes, and the election in 2016, it has been a lose is on for republicans ever since. donald trump on social media said that one of his first acts in office will be the releasing of the january 6 defendants. here's another. he had the chance to pardon all of these people when he was president and he chose not to.
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how does it serve him now? >> to echo nobody else's point, i don't know if he is operating i think he is guttural and doing what he is doing in front of his eyes and republicans put out the report on january 6th and the congressional inquiry into it and i am guessing trump saw that and was inclined to send out this post on truth social. same thing with going after biden for his stutter. there's nothing about it. ultimately, it served him well, the authenticity in it. frankly, i would say it hinders him in the long run because i think most normal voters are going to say, well, is it right for someone to pick on someone
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stutter. he couldn't stand his coalition , clearly, beyond the 44% or whatever matt talked about. he will maybe spend a lot more, just choose not to do it. please susan, viktor orban is one of vladimir putin's only european allies donald trump welcome to attend into his home this weekend. he then went on cnbc and kind of bragged about it. those people who are listening to that interview, i know they don't like to hear that joe biden wants to tax the rich but are they a-ok with one of putin's homeboys laughing it up with trump all weekend? they feel good about that? >> look, one of the most striking things, i think, that makes donald trump different from any president of the united states, democrat or republican, is his striking affinity with the world's dictators, strongmen, and sort of bad guys and orban has become sort of a celebrated figure of the american far right, as well as the european far right over the last few
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years. trump praised him the other day in remarkable terms for an aspiring president of the united states. he said basically what he is a noncontroversial figure in hungary because he basically doesn't brook, any disagreement with his views. and to donald trump, that is high praise. donald trump has a love affair with kim jong-un, he had this admiration for vladimir putin, he has admiration for erdogan in turkey. for xi jinping and china. it is one of the most, i think striking and notable differences between trump and any other president we have ever had in american history. so it is not a surprise that he would be making common cause with orban, the same way he made common cause with brazils leader, both in aro during his 2020 election campaign. this is who fundamentally donald trump is it is what he wants to take america to is a different place. he has all the instincts of a
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natural authoritarian. claes samp, pointed out earlier today that because of trump's let russia win policy, that is slowly becoming the republican policy, what does it say that our country's stance on the russia-ukraine war seems to be on the ballot in november? >> well, it is not just that. remember, republicans are negotiating up and told donald trump said don't do it because i want the issue and suddenly that was no longer the policy. even right now, they built a band, to make the company that owns tiktok divest from the chinese government, is suddenly up in the air because trump did a 180 on it. so this is what happens often when a republican or democratic nominee becomes a factor nominee of the party. but in trump's case, it is remarkable simply because of how much he pulls the party in
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his direction. today, for instance, you had this back and forth on social security. trump is a typical in a sense. he has always been, or at least try to present himself as -- most republicans, years ago, said we were for these but trump shoots the party to his image and it certainly has a huge impact on the geopolitical stage. >> matthew, in a new book, cnn's jim writes several of trump's senior advisers, former advisers say he has a wired dictators. susan just laid it out for us and he even said that hitler quote. and joe read about the former white house chief of staff reacted to trump saying that, watch this. >> had to, in effect, correct trump's imagined history here because trump, in saying that hitler did some good things, he said well, he rebuilt his economy and kelly would say to him, yeah, he rebuilt his
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economy to go to war with the rest of europe, including your very own country. and then he said, well, but his generals were loyal to him unlike my generals, as he liked to say, you, general kelly and others. and kelly had to correct him, too. actually, in fact, mr. president, hitler's generals tried to assassinate him. >> matthew, how is this not another red flag for the republican party? right, we're not going to get any more money to ukraine. you know it will happen? russia is not going to stop. they will be knocking on poland door next. we will be in another world war, why are so many people, even beyond donald trump's base seemingly okay with this? it was just a few days ago that mitch mcconnell gave him his endorsement? >> unfortunately, there is a large percentage of population of the united states of america who believes in the end justified the means. and if they have a strongman or a strong woman on doing what their bidding was and really
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attacking who they don't like, then they are fine throwing democracy away and supporting the strongman. that is, i think, i think that movement in our country is more concerning than donald trump himself. because that is a movement that exists in our country with or without donald trump that they are willing to accept that when the course of this. and i just say, for any americans listening that have questions about this who think that our democracy is guaranteed for the existence, no matter how long the united states exists, they fooled themselves. we had the first time in post world war ii, in the post world war ii history, a retraction in the number of democracies in the world instead of an expansion of the democracies of the world. we have never had that. we have less democracies today in the world than we did 10 years ago with this. and this reminds folks, democracy is a gift, it is not a given, it has to be worked out. and maybe one of the benefits of donald trump in the very few
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that there are, i think, is that it is a reminder that we have to do things that preserve the institution of democracies, the institution of democracy and our freedoms in order to preserve this constitutional democracy that we have there are countries in all of our lifetimes that were democracies , germany being one of them, that became dictatorships, chile being another one that democracies functional, healthy democracies that because people supported a strongman because they wanted him to do certain things, through their democracies away. that is what my biggest fear, and i hope other americans fears are is that we have to work at this and we have to work at it today and i think we have gotten lazy at working at our democracy. in donald trump has taken advantage of that laziness. >> democracy is a gift, not a guarantee. susan, had 11 more questions for you but with a sentiment like that, we got to let
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matthew ended the segment thank you all so so much, great to see you all. when we come back, the sleepy giant case in the supreme court that could have a big impact on jack smith prosecution of trump you don't want to miss this. former lawyer of donald trump, ty cobb is here. later, the 2024 general election matchup is on. president biden's message to voters today, selling his $7 trillion budget. we are going to break down what is in it and why it is matters. just getting underway on an important night in new york city.
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the supreme court, a case that could have a major impact in the case against donald trump. in jack smith's case, of course, i'm not talking about the presidential immunity case. this is a different one. that technically does not involve donald trump. one law professor recently called it the sleeping giant, threatening jack smith's prosecution of the former president. the court will decide if
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prosecutors stretch the law too far by calling the right, quote, obstruction of an official proceeding. the law has been used to charge more than 300 people involved in the capital attack, including donald trump joining me now for the first time, former trump white house counsel for the russian investigation, ty cobb. he has asked the supreme court to keep all charges in place. ty, i'm glad you're here tonight. we need an explanation, specifically on this one. what risk does this case post to jack smith prosecution of donald trump? isn't certifying an election and official proceeding? >> i don't think there's any question about whether or not the official proceeding piece of the statute has been met. what is really at issue here, stephanie, is the question of under title 18, usc, section 12 c two, is that statute independent prohibition against
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corruptly obstructing, influence, or proceeding or is it tied somehow to the clause that precedes it see one. the petitioner who has some sympathetic facts on his side to make this a case that got the attention of district court judge. he was only in the building for a short time, he was a law-enforcement official. he apologized and left and the government collared some of that conduct with him, while he was in there. but this is really nothing quite actionable in the way that many of the other cases are actionable in terms of census. >> you have said in the past that the facts are terrible for donald trump so is delay the only tactic he has at this point? and by the way, is it working?
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>> it is currently working. i will say, i think at the end of the day, in this case, even if the supreme court reverses and finds a more difficult standard and that which we are advocating, as long as the statute is not invalidated in toto, i don't think the violence of this case is as significant as other scenes will suggest because at the core of the charges, under 15 and jack smith's case, the lectors, the fake valid, the fraudulent affidavits. which would fit into the petitioner's definition. which i think, everybody agrees, petitioners attempt to limit the statute is way overstated and that the court is either likely to move out,
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refine that and come down someplace in the middle or reverse it and send it back to the district court for findings consistent with whatever roadblocks the supreme court imposes. i think that primary impact on the trump case will be, in the event of the reversal will be delay. because it will certainly prompt a motion to dismiss for consideration. >> his big right has been we have a two tiered legal system and he is being targeted. but of donald trump was not the former president, is there any way he could have all these delays? cleona. not at all. the issue that he has gotten the most mileage out of, of course, is the immunity issue. and that actually, if you go to 30,000 feet and look at supreme court history. people say that is not moving as fast but bush
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v gore was up against the deadline for certifying the election and didn't necessarily have to conclude before that. this is moving pretty quickly and it is one thing i try to remind people, keep in mind that the case would have been heard a year ago but for the fact that the january 6th committee held up his official findings for several months. and didn't get the transcripts or the segment to the justice department, in spite of the justice department's request for those. there is a lot of pieces, the congress delay, the executive branch delay and the courts moving in quickly, although not as quickly as some would like, including me. please see in and interviewed someone known as trump employee five on the classified documents indictment. i want to share a bit of what he said. >> i think the american people have the right to know the facts that this is not a witch hunt.
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i mean, he can go out and tv and say this. that is one of the reasons for doing this. >> what does it mean for this case to have butler with this blockbuster announcement proclamation on national television. it's huge news but is it also a problem for jack smith that it is coming out before the trial? you know trump's team is going to attack this guy every day, yesterday, and tomorrow. >> yes, it is a problem. and i am surprised that he came forward. i find it unimaginable that jack smith had any knowledge that mr. mueller was going to come forward with this because i know that that is the last thing he wants. and he has a strong stance against attaining juries. i also, in my own mind, as an attorney, have some questions about his lawyer was thinking in letting him, in letting him go on with this.
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on the other hand, there is significant factual support for the evidence that he laid out. and they can prove almost everything he talked about without him. he adds color, significant, but keep in mind they have a lot of this stuff on video. they have testimony from other people who participated in mar- a-lago in terms of assisting mr. de la vega and some of the obstruction activity. i don't think it is not harmful but it is highly unusual and i am sure that we will see mr. butler again on tv. you have said that if donald trump doesn't win, he is going to jail. you are confident that these trials are actually going to happen? >> well, i am confident that it will happen at some point if he is not the elected. if he is not the president-elect of the united states or the president before they go to trial. but to the extent that they do
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go to trial, and assuming he loses when they go to trial, he will definitely go to jail. >> we have learned recently that two of donald trump associates is going back to jail, peter navarro is. given how well you know donald trump, does that scare him? or does he just immediately disassociate himself with them and say they are problem, not mine. >> i think weisel is a little bit of a different person to trump land peter navarro. i think navarro was a loyalist. they didn't have a pre-existing relationship. and you know, he sort of let everybody out to hang in terms of the carnage that he left behind. with weisel burke, though, he was a very loyal soldier. and i think trump does have some angst about that but not in the sense that he is fearful.
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he doesn't view himself as vulnerable. i think his narcissism really gives him sort of an all- powerful attitude about himself and it will come as a great shocking surprise to him when he changes into that orange jumpsuit, which i think is his preferred color. i will definitely be a shocker for him. >> when shamelessness is a superpower. my goodness, ty, i have so much more i want to ask you so you will just have to come back another time. thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you. we come back, president biden's new campaign message with a $7 trillion budget, what it is and what it says about his second term. when the 11th hour continues.
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club donald trump said cut social security and medicare on the table again. but if you change his position he said, quote, there's a lot you can do in terms of cutting. a tremendous amount of things you can cut. i will never allow that to happen. i cut social security and i will cut medicare but my predecessor failed the most basic of any duty the president of america owns the people. the duty of care. i believe that is unforgivable. our plan is working in america is coming back. >> today, president biden debuted his new campaign message in new hampshire where he unveiled a massive $7.3 trillion budget packed with
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some major democratic wishes. we're talking tax hikes on corporations, increased spending on social programs, new efforts to curb tuition and housing costs and a whole lot more. it is all part of his aggressive new strategy, one that will make it tough to call him sleepy joe. joining me now, jennifer, cohost of msnbc's how to win in 2024 podcast. and former white house communications director for president obama, of course. also, former republican congresswoman of florida. so jen, what you make of the president's new campaign message? >> it is just good irish luck of the day that he was unveiling his budget and working up to talk about it that donald trump decided to call cnbc and said he wanted to cut social security and medicare, two widely of unpopular ideas. i think that i know you have paid a lot of attention to the fact that the president had a big gap between president biden and former president trump on who people trust on the economy. and this is when you see sort
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of prioritizing the budget is what the biden team thinks they can do to make up ground so whether you talk about today, healthcare costs, right? insulin costs or caps for seniors at $35. he wants to do that for everyone. that is a big thing they talked about. tax cuts on the wealthy, that is going to generate a lot of revenue. it is also a big value statement for biden. what they believe about trump voters is that even people who like donald trump, when push comes to shove, he is in it for himself and not for them and that gets them to talk about these tax cuts on the wealthy and the contrast, trump gives them the opportunity to make that argument. another thing they featured today is deficits. is that the tax increases that they will, that he wants to raise on the wealthiest, that that will, in part, help the deficit and that will remind people that the
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biden team has already done that. so i see those things, it is the contrast of trump. it is the healthcare costs and actually that there plan would go into deficit, is what he wants to emphasize. >> david, it seems like donald trump is helping joe biden. it is like, did he think his campaign didn't have enough unpopular policies after overturning roe, opposing the border bill, blocking aid to ukraine? now he is suggesting cutting entitlements. yes he is trying to walk it back, but come on, now. yeah, look at this is a fascinating dynamic, stephanie. for this reason, i think many people in their mind think of joe biden as a candidate who is helping them defend the country against donald trump, right? defending against autocracy. defending against manipulating our institutions for his own benefit. defending against cuts to social security and medicare. defending against cuts to our
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alliance of freedom with the west. and so i do think that is really first and foremost in the mind of many biden voters, even soft republican biden voters with this policy document is a statement of principles that says yes, i'm going to protect the country from donald trump. but here is my agenda, the agenda i talked to on the night of the state of the union address. drug negotiations two earned income tax credit is to expand the child tax credit, universal pre-k, ownership credits, all these things that if i have the opportunity to return to the white house i will propose. the reality is, none of this is going to happen this year, even though this is his annual budget proposal. absolutely none of this will happen simply because congress doesn't do anything. >> a quick reminder, while donald trump is trying to walk back what he said about entitlements, it was last month at sea pack, one of his advisers, stephen moore, called the aarp one of the most evil, left-leaning organizations in america.
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democrats are going to remember that. i do have to ask you, though, david, what is going on at the rnc? we are already seeing firings of senior staffers. is this organization becoming truly trump aside? what are we doing? >> the fix is in the graft and the graft. there is no coding over the fact that the candidate and possibly president again, donald trump enterprises. that is absolutely going to happen. why is that good for joe biden? that is good for joe biden because the rnc is going to starve all of their down ballot candidates who really need resources and field operations because the rnc is now set up solely and exclusively for donald trump. it will eventually see fraud exposed. but the reality is, it is probably pretty good for joe biden. >> jennifer, transportation secretary pete buttigieg dusted off his fox news ninja skills
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and went on this weekend, obviously praising the president. i just wanted to share a bit of it. >> there have been talked for years, talk talk talk and no action. president biden has taken action. he took action to finally let medicare negotiate prescription drug prices. he took action to make sure that we have a stronger economy, which is why more jobs have been created on his watch than any president in american history. he took action to pass the infrastructure bill, the prior president, the former president promised it every year, failed to get it done. we can talk about language, we can talk about learned words or we can talk about action. >> how important is it for the president to have the likes of pete, gavin newsom, gretchen whitmer, andy beshear out there as these biden avengers. >> i think it is how the democrats win in '20 and how they will win and '24.
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so you have, first of all, friendly, talented messages. secretary buttigieg is simplified that there. witmer, tim walz from minnesota, newsom, tony ebert is in wisconsin. it also, more importantly, they are battleground governors that came off in 2022, so they are fresh from the battlefield. they have good get on the boat operations. they are used to having to do this. they, someone like witmer, for example, very tough year, re- elected in '22, had a good turn on the boat operation in '20, so where they got to be most valuable is actually having a great geo tv operation. >> all right, well, we'll be watching. thank you for joining us. when we come back, can you believe this? it was this day in 2020, march 11th, when the pandemic became real for so many of us. four years later, what have we
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actually learned? and have we actually changed? the very powerful new book takes on that great question. the author joins us next, when the 11th hour continues.
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i think covid still or optimism. four years ago today, when we were shutting things down, and what we have lived through, has stolen our ability to look at the bright side of things that we have become comfortable with discomfort. >> it was four years ago today
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when donald trump gave his oval office address, the nba suspended its season and tom hanks announced he tested positive for covid. and although things have gotten so much better, the way a lot of us feel hasn't. erin klein and bird reaching out to help us understand why. he is a professional of social science and a director of the institute for public knowledge at nyu and author of the new book, 2020, one city, seven people in the year everything changed. four years ago today. what do you think was the most important thing we should learn from 2020 despite the fact that so many people don't even agree on basic facts about the pandemic? >> for me the most important thing about 2020 is they told us to get through a crisis in solidarity we need cohesion, you have to be able to do things together. you have to be able to trust each other. you have to trust leaders and
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in america in 2020, we did the opposite on all of those things. we became more divided. we became more distrustful. the country was dysfunctional. and a lot of that was about who we are becoming but a huge amount of that, i think, is about our leadership that year. >> we know about long covid and sort of the physical aspects of it. but talk about the emotional. because covid is also a social disease. when you think about the loneliness, the disconnect, how many of us are still holed up at home? >> i profiled seven people in the book, we get deep into their stories and the through line is each one of them, from very different walks of life, felt abandoned. they felt left on their own. it felt like there are all these difficult problems, they needed a helping hand and some guidance. they didn't know if they were going to get a stimulus check. didn't know if their children were going to be given relief money to get out of poverty.
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and it came, finally, then it disappeared soon after. it was this level of insecurity that shot through this country so i think we are still feeling that in an intense way. the pandemic is officially over, but there is something fundamentally off about life in this country. i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we were traumatized and we just have kind of selected away like it did not happen. it is time for us to remember what we went through for personal reasons, for collective reasons and i think, for political reasons, also. >> how do we solve for that? a lot of those things, people have monetized those divisions and it has created businesses out of it. >> no question, look, the tech industry wants us in front of our screens and not with each other face-to-face, they did fantastically well during 2020 and i think they are discouraging us for going back into real life where we can convene with each other in an office or at school. but i think we also know it is really unsatisfying to have this digital existence and not a face-to-face one. that is something that has got
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to change. >> but in many ways, yes, it divided us but there are also extraordinary stories of people coming together. pre-covered, people didn't even know their neighbors names and then we grew to depend on one another, to feed one another, to house one another, there are extraordinary elements of how we can together. >> is a big heart of the story i tell, in addition to the hyper- individualism of the country, we also saw this incredible flowering of neutral aid networks across the country in every neighborhood of new york city, he saw ordinary people coming together to provide each other with food, with diapers, with cleaning supplies, with basic services. so this amazing woman i profiled , she was 88 in manhattan for 30 years, married to an ecuadorian guy, they lived in jackson heights, she converted the basement of her home and to what she called the covid care neighborhood network. they did extraordinary amounts of work to help each other and help out their neighbors. today, that same basement is
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the jackson heights integration center. and they're working with asylum- seekers and migrants in the united dates. there is a invisible civic infrastructure that we built up in the year 2020 and that, for me, is one of the extraordinary benefits of going through that crisis together. we have got to channel that energy in 2024 if we are going to come out on the right side. >> in every situation, no matter how dark, there is something hopeful to look to. we just have to choose to look in that direction. congratulations on the boat. pleasure to meet you. >> great to be here. >> when we come back, the powerful film about russia's assault on ukraine was a top winter at the oscars. the directors message to the world, when the 11th hour continues. continues. just like that go to shipstation/tv and get 2 months free
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is the world saw everything that happened, it would give at least some meaning to this war. my brain will desperately want to forget this. but the camera will not let it happen. >> the last thing before we go tonight, 20 days in mariupol, the oscar winner for the best documentary feature is a first person account of the early days of russia's invasion of ukraine. the film's director says he would much rather have no oscar and no war. here is part of his powerful and extraordinary acceptance speech last night. >> this is the first oscar in ukrainian history.
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and i am honored, i am honored. but probably i will be the first director on the stage who will say, i wish i never made this film. i wish to be able to exchange this, to russia never attacking ukraine, never occupying our cities. i wish to give all the recognition to russia not killing tens of thousands of my fellow ukrainians. i wish for them to release all the hostages. all the -- soldiers who are protecting their lands. all the civilians who are now in their jails. but i cannot change the history
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. i cannot change the past. but we, altogether, you, some of the most talented people in the world, we can make sure that the history record is set straight. and that the truth will prevail. and that the people of mariupol and those that have given their lives will have a better life because cinema forms memories, and memories form history. so thank you all, and thank you all. thanks to ukraine. >> you know we like to say here that the truth matters, but only if you see it. these journalists risk their
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lives to share the literal truth of the horrors being experienced in ukraine. we thank you for your film, and for your bravery. and on that note, i wish you all a very good and safe night from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up with me. we will see you again tomorrow. well, there is a lot going on tonight. we have another immunity claim from donald trump. a key witness is now speaking out on camera and all the while the general election is full ll steam ahead. lucky for us congressman adam schiffes is standing by right here in studio and congressman dan goldman will join me

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