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trenton, new jersey. police have now apprehended the shooting suspect, 26-year-old andre gordon, after hours of intense standoff he reportedly shot three of his family members, he then carjacked a driver at gunpoint and fled to new jersey where he was tracked to a home in but he somehow managed to slip out ofeh the home but was eventually apprehended nearby. joining me now, george solis, who's on the scene in trenton, new jersey. george, what can you tell us now that the suspect has been apprehended? >> reporter: yeah, jonathan, we learned about this within the last 20 minutes. he somehow managed to slip by s.w.a.t. mpresence, not to mention the fbi who had a presence here and was

apprehended. surrendered without incident, basically gave up,su and is nown police custody. one thing that was not made clear, whether he was apprehended with any weapons he may have had on him at the time of his h surrendering. so now what we're seeing is the dismantling of the scene. keep in mind, there is still a heavy police presence and police tape here. we have seen officers in the background congregating. i'm told the mayor is also here within the vicinity, being briefed about all of this before he addresses the media in more detail about where this suspect was apprehended and his connection to the area. if i can, i'll reset the scene. authorities from bucks county telling us thisuc began with a carjacking here in the trenton area this morning before he crossed over into pennsylvania, into bucks county and carried out these three alleged murders. then he also carjacked an individual in pennsylvania, stealing a honda crv, a suv-type, before dumping it off

in this neighborhood and barricading himself in this home. earlier, authorities telling me there were no more hostages, and it was just him inside that home and was believed to be alive. the 26-year-old suspect somehow slipped by police a was apprehended, not very far from where all this is taking place. now that he is in custody, some of the more pressing questions are, where wasng he hiding out, how did he get out, and why of course he carried out these three alleged murders, jonathan. >> just to reiterate again, did police say in the information that you got, whether they found a weapon on andre gordon? >> reporter: that is a question wete are asking and we have not received anan answer. he was taken into custody without incident. >> nbc news' george solis coming to us from trenton, new jersey.

thank you very much for that report. let's bring in dr. errol southers, former fbi s.w.a.t. team and member of the practice inhe national and homeland security at the university of southern california. thank you for being here. andre gordon had been holed up in that house on phillips avenue sinc about 12:20 eastern time. how did he manage to slip out with all that law enforcement presence on the ground and drones in the air? >> that's a very good question. what i would have to assume is that he was not holed up in that house for the time that we thought he was there. it could very well be that when he went initially and startled everybody inside that residence that, as they were responding, police were responding and people were trying to get out that he likely walked out before that house was secure.ou certainly before the perimeter was secure.et and may have actually walked amongst the people, the

residents in that neighbor mood neighborhood. he has the presence of mind to get out before the perimeter was set up and was successful in doing so andfu fortunately did t take anyone else hostage or hurt anyone else in the process. >> as we said, the suspect was apprehended alive. what do you think went into, maybe not the negotiations to end thene standoff, but how, i mean, he was apprehended alive. the question is whether there was a weapon him or not. but how did we get to a peaceful resolution of this situation? >> well, as was mentioned previously, patience, certainly, if there was a conversation with him, trying to reason with him. unfortunately, everyone he had some ay relationship to him. so it seems that he was very

intent on harming people that he knew and not harming anyone else, even in the carjacking and the othern crimes that he committed along the way.g so it also appeared that he did not want to take his own life nor be killed by the police. sod there's a conversation you can have, and they obviously did have if he was still in there with them, that there was no reason for anyone else to lose their life, including him. and that's the kind of conversation you would have with a person like that is empathy and trying to reason with them to give up. >> mm-hm. dr. southers, the suspect is reportedly homeless. i'm just wondering, how might he have gotten an ar-15 and from whom? >> that will a be the question everybody will need b to answer right off, and that's how this all starts. as you put this forensic information together as now we look toward prosecution, it will start with a trail and a

timeline with the very first crime, which was the carjacking. was he armed? was he armed with the alleged weapon that we described. how did he get it? was it purchased legally? was it obtained illegally? as you mentioned, he was an unhoused a individual. did he have the resources to obtain a weapon like that? was it taken in one of the other crimes? this is going to be a very important question as to how he obtained that weapon and most importantly, how was it used along the way with regards to the killing spree that happened this afternoon. >> all right, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show and lending your perspective on this breaking news saturday. > up next. republicans are left scrambling as their impeachment probe against president biden runs on fumes. what the white house is demanding now and how speaker mike johnson is responding. congressman robert garcia, member of the house oversight andus house homeland security

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the white house is going on offense. on friday, in an unprecedented letter to republican house speaker mike johnson, white house counsel ed siskel said

that the impeachment investigation into president biden is over and urged the speaker to, quote, move on. he called out republicans' failure to produce any evidence that links biden to any crime, even after they've reportedly collected more than 100,000 pages of records, interviewed dozens of witnesses and held public hearings. and don't forget, their essential witness, the so-called highly credible witness, vladimir smirnoff was arrested for lying to the fbi. just this week, the house speaker admitted that he's not paying much attention to the investigation or the so-called evidence. >> to be very transparent and honest, because i've been busy with all my other

responsibilities, i have not taken the time to do the deep dive into the evidence. what has been uncovered is alarming. there are a lot of things we believe have violated the law. does it reach the high crimes, treason, high crimes misdemeanor standard? everyone will have to make that evaluation when we pull all the evidence together and evaluate that. >> mm-hm. joining me is robert garcia, member of the house oversight committee and thank you for coming to the saturday show. i see you shaking your head. so articulate your reaction to the speaker's comments there. >> i mean, look, it is time for this impeachment sham to be over. i mean mike johnson can barely keep a majority. republicans retiring right and left. we've known day one this entire impeachment stunt is about damaging president biden and helping donald trump get reelected. and like you noted, the, you know, long list of witnesses that have been brought forward have ended up being chinese

spies, disgraced former mafia bosses, business people that are in jail, rudy giuliani conspiracy theorists. so this whole thing has been a complete joke. it is time to move forward. i'm really glad that the white house sent that letter, because we have essentially wasted months and months and months of time we could actually be doing work for the american people on essentially this donald trump expedition. and i want to remind people as well. this entire impeachment stunt started with marjorie taylor green. she actually filed those initial impeachment papers against president biden. so this is all the far right extreme magas trying to get their point across, trying to damage the president, but this is over, and it's time to move on. >> if i remember correctly, congresswoman green filed those articles like day two of the biden presidency? right, so politico and "new york times" reported that house republicans are looking for some type of backup plan, including

issuing criminal referrals against president biden. how can they issue referrals without any evidence that the president committed a crime. >> the modern republican party doesn't care about evidence or facts or truth. they are completely warped in their world view of doing whatever it takes to support their orange king, donald trump. i mean, that is what they obsessed about. so the facts don't matter. and we've been arguing, and myself included. if we're going to talk about real corruption or real crime, then republicans need to look in the mirror and start investigating jared kushner who got a $2 billion payout from the saudi government and is starting to put together much larger land acquisition deals with foreign governments. this whole impeachment effort is a projection. the corruption lies deeply within what happened in the trump white house. the president is trying to do

his job. this impeachment sham is over. mike johnson needs to do the right thing and move on. we have a lot of work to do. >> you have been one of the members of congress who keeps trying to shine the spotlight on jared kushner when it comes to alleged corruption. let's switch gears and talk about tiktok. because on wednesday, the house passed with an overwhelming bipartisan majority, passed a bill that would force tiktok's chinese owner, bytedance, to either sell tiktok or face a ban in the united states. the driving reason is that the social media platform poses a national security risk. you voted against the bill. does that mean those national security concerns are overblown? why did you vote no? >> yeah, i mean, i joined, you know, 50 other democrats, and also i joined the highest-ranking democrat on the intelligence committee who made very clear that there was not yet any sort of national security concern over our data and chinese government, who of

course are adversaries and we're competitive with. but let's be honest about what's happening. we have an app that 170 million americans use. one third of all americans on tiktok. it is a huge way that people communicate, and yes, there are real data privacy concerns, and yes, there are concerns about our data, but that's the case on every platform, whether it's meta and facebook or x. we saw what happened on facebook in the last election cycle. so this idea that we're going to target this one social media platform, without yet any direct evidence that our data is being manipulated by the chinese government, i think is the absolute wrong approach. i voted no. i voted a strong no. i think it's really important at this moment that we focus on data broadly, but to single out an app, particularly the main space where young people are communicating every day, i think is a huge, not just policy mistake, it's also a huge political mistake. and so i'm urging the senate to slow this down. this was the fastest-moving bill

that i have seen in my one year in congress. and from what i hear from more veteran members, they don't remember a bill moving so fast through the floor. and so i am very concerned. we all share the data concerns because of a better approach of what we just did. >> i'm a non-member of congress, and i can tell you, i've never seen a bill move that fast through congress in my 17 years of following congress here in washington. but you mentioned the political problem here, you know. president biden said he would sign the bill if it passes the senate. so would that be a political mistake especially in the eyes of young voters? >> i think it's a political mistake to go forward with this process without any sort of guarantee that this would not lead to a disruption of service or a ban. there is no guarantee in the bill that we won't end up at a ban of tiktok or certainly not a disruption for a period of time. you know, imagine a service that

is being used by 170 million americans, and the main source of communication for young people across this country, and all of a sudden, that is interrupted. we know who young people are going to assign blame to in that instance. we've got to be very careful. the senate's got to take its time. and we've got to ensure that people understand that for so many people, tiktok is the way they communicate. it's where young people gather. 7 million americans use tiktok as their main source of income for their small business. millions of other businesses and small business owners rely on tiktok to actually get referrals. so i just don't know that all my colleagues in congress understand the power of this social media tool. yes, we should be concerned. yes, there's data privacy issues, but this bill was not the right approach. >> as always, thank you for coming to the saturday show. coming up next, with the tight race in the ohio republican senate primary, donald trump is rallying with the candidate who's the subject

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bernie moreno, a former car dealer and senate candidate who's never held public office. now, according to associated press report, moreno could be linked to a 2008 profile on an adult website that was seeking casual sexual encounters with men. a former intern for moreno says he created the account as a prank. according to the ap, moreno used to be a public supporter of lgbtq rights but now is a hard-line opponent. joining me now, ameshia cross, former adviser for the obama campaign, and stewart stevens, senior advisor for the lincoln project and the author of the book the conspiracy to end america. thank you both very much for being here. stewart, ohio's senate primary's happening this tuesday and republican leaders are worried

about the possibility of moreno winning that senate nomination. do they have reason to worry? >> look, i think sherrod brown's probably going to win this race. i got to say, this stuff about his personal life. that kind of stuff really kind of disgusts me. i wish we didn't get into that kind of stuff. i don't care, i think most people don't care about that stuff. you've got two people who support trumpism, who don't believe the president of the united states is legal. and this is ohio. and it's a state with a history of such great leaders. i like brown's chances, he's a very appealing, interesting, personable guy. >> that coming from you, stewart is big, because a lot of people are looking at that ohio race as being one of the endangered seats, whether endangered for

the democratic majority. switching gears here, stuart, because former vice president mike pence did something far too many republicans have been unwilling to do. watch this. >> it should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing donald trump this year. donald trump is pursuing and articulating an agenda that is at odds with the conservative agenda that we governed on during our four years. that's why i cannot in good conscience endorse donald trump in this campaign. >> go ahead, mike pence. stuart, why is pence breaking ranks now? >> yeah, i mean, you know, the problem is, we knew mike pence before he was a virgin. but i'm glad that he is where he is now. i think in life we probably have to meet people where they. and, so it's a binary choice. he can either endorse trump or not endorse. i think it's better for the country that he not endorse

trump. i don't buy this idea that trump is running on a conservative agenda. why don't you say he attempted to kill me and overthrow the government of the united states. but look, i would consider it, i would put it in a positive column. >> mm-hm. so let me turn to you, talk about the significance of vice president harris' visit to the planned parenthood clinic in minnesota on thursday. >> it's historically significant in many ways. first and foremost, women's reproductive rights are on the ballot. they aren't going to leave the ballot any time too soon. that has been a unifying figure for democrats, republicans and everybody in between. women's reproductive rights have taken the polls in the midterms and the special elections and quite frankly, as republicans try to peel away women's reproductive rights. up to birth control and eradicating these types of clinics, it mattered that kamala

harris was there and also that the vp talked about exactly what these clinics do. as someone who suffers from fibroids myself, i went to a planned parenthood clinic for my fibroid care, not for abortion. less than 3% of planned parenthood funds go toward abortion. the majority is for women's reproductive care. that means cervical care, uterine care. everything is working the way it should. but also to flag things when they may not be for low-income women and for women who may not have insurance. >> planned parenthood, a lot of people go for general care, general care that you were just talking about. punch bowl news is reporting that republicans, they're leaning in on the abortion issue, too. but on the anti-abortion messaging side in 2024. have they learned nothing? you just talked about the fact

that it was a big issue in the midterms and special elections around the country, including in ruby red kansas, and yet they don't want to believe the red flags? >> it's just showing itself to be the thing that they cannot rise above, even though their voters are actually supporting democrats here. it's very interesting to see that republicans are so far outside the mainstream. my grandfather was a mississippian. he had a saying, you see a fool, knock them on the head. they can't get out of their own way. women, conservative women as well. they actually are forming their own pacs in states across the country to fight against these abortion restrictions. republicans will not win on this. >> we have a couple minutes left. and we can't have you here without talking about republican congressman ken buck who announced he's leaving congress at the end of next week. listen to what he had to say. >> what has frustrated you so much about this era of politics,

and particularly congress. what's made it so difficult? >> you really need me to say that? you need me to explain what's so difficult about this place? we take an impeachment and made it a social media issue as opposed to a constitutional concept. this place just keeps going downhill. and i don't need to spend my time here. >> both of you, to give your response but congressman buck is 100% right. but will voters punish republicans for this level of dysfunction? >> you know, i actually think they are. congress, they're not getting anything done. so there's two levels of the impact here. one, they're not doing anything to improve people's lives, and that ultimately affects voters. and i think there's something about it that seems small and petty, that they're up there talking about stuff that people really don't care about, from hunter biden's laptop to, you

know, trying to impeach random people in d.c. i just think that shows that it's a small party. believe it or not, there was a time when republicans liked to say we're a party of big ideas. and this is really small, petty stuff. and i think people just find that unappealing. >> amesha, what do you think in. >> absolutely. i think we're going to see voters really push back against this. they know there isn't anything impeachable with joe biden, the hunter biden case has nothing to do with any of this, except republicans hoping that it pushes people away from the polls and republicans are trying to impeach everyone who is in biden's cabinet at this point, all at the behest of doing things for the american people. they blew up the immigration bill. at this point it just doesn't make sense why most of the republicans are here. because they can't get ahead of themselves. it's a mess. >> it is a mess.

a couple things. on, i went and took myself out to lunch, and the few hours after ken buck announced his resignation. and he came walking into the restaurant for his nice little lunch. people being impeached for this, that and the other, let's remember something. the department of homeland security's alejandro mayorkas was impeached by the house, yet those articles are still sitting there. they haven't been sent over to the senate. why go through the exercise if you're not going to complete the exercise? that's the end of my sermon. thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. and coming up. coming up. another complicated week in the many legal efforts to hold donald trump accountable. georgia, new york, mar-a-lago. there's so much to catch up on. we'll dig into how these new developments to determine whether trump will go on trial in these cases before the november election. stay with us. these cases befor

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we're continuing to follow breaking news out of trenton, new jersey. police have confirmed that shooting suspect andre gordon has been taken into custody. he allegedly killed three of his family members. he then carjacked a driver at gunpoint and fled to new jersey where he was tracked to a home in trenton.

that led to hours-long standoff. but somehow gordon managed to slip out of the home and was eventually apprehended nearby. now we turn to a big week in donald trump's many trials. in georgia, fani willis will not be disqualified from her election interference prosecution against trump. in a 23-page ruling friday, judge scott mcagree found there mcafee found there was no conflict, but there was a significant appearance of impropriety and moving the case could move forward as long as wade stepped down. hours after the ruling, wade submitted his resignation. meanwhile, in new york, judge marchand pushed the trial originally scheduled for march 25th until at least mid april. trump's team initially sought a

90-day adjournment and outright dismissal. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg, who supported a 30-day delay says there's no grounds for dismissal . dismissal. judge aileen cannon rejected one motion and said that the presidential records acts was vague. joining me now, glen kirschner, former prosecutor and host of the "justice matters" podcast. and former fulton county,

georgia deputy attorney. thank you for being here. glen, your reaction to how judge mcafee reached the decision here that rebukes d.a. willis but still allows the georgia case to move forward? >> you know, jonathan, on the upside, judge mcafee, after a lengthy evidentiary hearing concluded that fani willis, this district attorney, should not be removed or disqualified from the case. she will continue to head up the rico prosecution of donald trump and his 18 criminal associates, his co-defendants. he also found there was no financial gain by her having hired nathan wade and then having a relationship with him. he found there was no prejudice to any defendant, and he found that no defendant suffered any due process violation. however, he then went on to say, well, under georgia law, appearance of impropriety is enough for me to put a remedy in place, and the remedy i choose is that either nathan wade can

remove himself or fani willis and herself can remove themselves from the case. not surprisingly, nathan wade promptly tended his letter of resignation and fani willis accepted it. you know, i think judge mcagree mcagree went a little too far. and i don't know that he had to go that far. but i think it was the right call, that because there's absolutely no conflict and absolutely no prejudice to any defendant of course fani willis and the district attorney's office should not be recused from the case. >> so, melissa, let's talk about some of that inflammatory language. judge mcafee criticized d.a. willis saying an odor of men dasity remains around her actions. how can language like that have

an impact on willis as a prosecutor? >> well, we know that there are many challenges that d.a. willis will face outside of this particular motion to disqualify. in fact, judge mcafee mentioned some of those in his order, that there are other means by which any perceived impropriety or dishonesty or misconduct on behalf of the d.a. can be handled. through the state bar of georgia. there's a state senate committee currently investigating the district attorney and the prosecutorial oversight commission. admittedly, it will be subject to some legal challenges before it takes effect. but we can best believe that one of the first things they'll be investigating will be a complaint promptly filed against d.a. willis. when he puts in his order after finding some may question month

whether or not they split costs or whether this was discredited by the defense. a reasonable person could possibly believe that if nathan wade were to continue on the team, those issues would continue to arise. but, if you found that there's maybe an appearance of impropriety, although their testimony was not discredited by the defendant, it seems, you know, gratuitous to me to put in that type of language, well, i don't think it was necessary for him to make the point she should not have hired somebody she was in relationship with, and the remedy was to remove that person from the team. >> let's talk about the hush money trial in new york. it's been pushed back. but there will still be a hearing on potential discovery violations on march 25th. what can we expect to come out of that hearing? >> judge marchand has asked for a detailed timeline about why

there have been late disclosures of documents. this one really gets my goat, jonathan, because it looks like the late disclosures were not product of alvin bragg and his prosecutors but the department of justice. an arm of the department of justice. the point is that alvin bragg asked for documents ages ago, and for whatever reason, d.o.j. seems to be very late in turning things over. what i can tell you is that when you get stuff and you turn it over to the defense in, you know, on the eve of trial or within a week or so of trial, delay is very likely to occur. and the reason i'm so concerned that the d.o.j. seems to be the one that for whatever reason was dragging its heels, we have yet to see the d.o.j. prosecute a

single higher up member of the insurrection. it has slowed and derailed, at least 30 days, maybe longer. it has slowed the prosecution of a former president who is about to go to trial on march 25th. i very much look forward to what the u.s. attorney's office and the department of justice has to say about it, because i assume it will be all in that detailed timeline that alvin bragg's prosecutors and trump's defense attorneys present to judge marchand on march 25th. >> um, melissa, we have about 30 seconds left. do you think the new york case is still on track to go on trial before the november election? >> i think it's possible that it could be before the november election. i think there may be another slight delay after march 25th. it appears from d.a. bragg's filing yesterday that the department has indicated there will be more documents

forthcoming next week. so depending on what's in those documents and how relevant they are to the case. that may push that 30-day delay out a little bit if the defendant needs more time. but i want to know if the defense were able to get those documents from a subpoena, and it appears that bragg asked for them a year ago and the department declined to give them to him. and when donald trump subpoenaed them in january they are now being turned over. that seemed odd to me that one prosecutor office wouldn't give them over more timely to another prosecution office. >> and with that, we'll have to leave it there. melissa redman, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. and up next, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's plans for a ground offensive on rafah ratchets up tensions with president biden. ambassador dennis ross, former u.s. envoy to the middle east joins me to discuss why he thinks israel needs a new strategy. thinks israel needs a new strategy and longer-lasting relief

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escalation, prime minister benjamin netanyahu has approved plans for the idf to attack the city of rafah. the biden administration has repeatedly warned against an incursion into the city. and this week, chuck schumer, the highest-ranking elected jewish official in the country called for a two-state solution and called out netanyahu on the senate floor. >> prime minister netanyahu has lost his way. by allowing his political survival to take the precedence over the best interests of israel. i believe that holding a new election once the war starts to wind down would give israelis an opportunity to express their vision for the post-war future. >> and here was president biden's thoughts on senator schumer's speech. >> i'm not going to elaborate on his speech. he made a good speech, and i think he expressed a serious concern, shared not only byhim

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victory over hamas. is that even possible? >> no. total victory is really a slogan. there is a need to have a military objective that is achievable. and i think there is one. i think that objective is demilitarization. israel is in fact succeeding in demilitarizing gaza, demilitarizing hamas. i think what would be important for the administration is to work out an agreement with the prime minister. what is enough when it comes to demilitarization? and enough defined as hamas will find it very difficult to reconstitute itself militarily, and enough to allow us to create a mechanism to ensure there can't be a remilitarization of gaza afterwards. >> is a two-state solution still viable at this point? >> it is. the key is, can you provide separation between the two peoples? now i think on both sides, there's going to have to be some pretty profound changes. and it's hard right now.

the psychological climate in israel, the trauma is so great, the sense of collective loss is so great, and the perception that if there's a palestinian state, it would be led by hamas, that is something among most israelis, that's an impocket. im possibility. on the other hand, you have palestinians who have their own issues. they need to demonstrate, look, if we're going to have a state, it's not going to be a failed state. it's going to be committed to co-existence. on the israeli side, there has to be willingness not to take steps that makes a palestinian state impossible. >> a survey found that if an election were held now, benny

gantz' party would win 34 seats whereas the likud party would win 17 seats. basically, if that were to happen, netanyahu would be out as prime minister, and benny gantz could be the new prime minister. interesting, because he was, benny gantz was just here last week in defiance of netanyahu. >> right. look, i think, obviously, you always take polls with a certain grain of salt. >> oh, yeah. >> but there's been a pattern to these polls that gives you some reason to see that a political reckoning is going to take place. it is impossible in israel to have had october 7, it's impossible not to think that that won't produce a political reckoning, and my guess is we'll see a different israeli government at some point. when that election will take place, it's hard to predict that at this point. because i think it's tied up very much with the character of this war and timing of this war. >> i asked the president a week ago today whether he, if invited to address the knesset, the

israeli parliament, would he go, and he flat out said yes. would that be a wise thing to do. >> right now, i would say not. if he's going to appealing over the prime minister, there could be an instinctive reaction that will say we'll make our own decisions. if he's going to lay out a strategy for the future saying look, whatever decisions you make, those are your decisions, that could be a different story. but right now i'd say i'd hold my horses. >> thank you very much for coming to this saturday show. >> my pleasure. and a programming note, tune in to "meet the press", and an exclusive interview with chef jose andreas. and that's tomorrow on nbc. check your local listings.

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