the case of rape or incest, is such a front, i can't believe anyone would do it. is this going to be a voting issue in arizona this year? >> absolutely it is. there has never been a more critical time for families in arizona. we're closer than ever to restoring access to abortion and to restoring choice. we do have a ballot initiative that folks are collecting signatures for, into arizona's constitution. and so because we are a background, our state has an opportunity to flip both the house and the senate in november. >> absolutely. absolutely. arizona state senator, ava burch, wishing you well, and wishing you well for your health and what you're trying to do for women. thank you so much. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> my father built the skyline of new york city and this is

the thanks he gets? >> five days to find half a billion in cash. >> his friends aren't stepping up. i just think they don't think they'll get their money back. >> tonight is the new york ag threatens to seize buildings. new reports of desperation and rage as time runs out. >> do you have any sense of whether or not the appellate division is sympathetic to this argument and what their time frame might be to respond to it? because five days is not that much time. >> and congressman on turning the tables at today's impeachment hearing. >> there was also other people that were doing the bidding for the russian people in congress, like senator ron johnson. like congressman pete sessions that is here right now. >> plus, the latest on the desperation in gaza, as republicans host netanyahu. and our series continues. are you better off now than you were four years ago? >> what do you say to american who's are watching you right

now who are scared? >> i say you are a terrible reporter. that's what i say. >> all in starts right now. good everyoning from new york, i'm chris hayes. donald trump has five days to come up with nearly half a billion dollars. things are not looking so good for him on that front. the deadline to pay his judgment in the new york state civil fraud case is march 25. that is next monday. that means he has less than a week to pony up the more than $450 million he owes in penalties, plus interest for his fraudulent business practices. normally in a situation like this, a person in trump's position would secure a bond. you would put up some collateral and a third party would front the rest of the cost. here's the thing, you can't get one. at least according to trump's lawyers. they say he tried 30 different times to get a bond and he was

turned down each time. at one level, that's kind of surprising. trump may significantly over exaggerate his wealth, but he is not poor. he owns many valuable assets, including many expensive properties. trump tower, mar-a-lago, a bunch of others. for any other businessman, those assets would function perfectly well as collateral. of course, the problem is, this is not any other businessman. this is donald trump. notorious lifelong con man. no one with the wealth to front him the cash will do it because they know that somehow he will ultimately leave them holding the bag. this sub text was made explicit by fox of all places. >> he's having a devil of a time putting up this bond. his friends aren't stepping up. this is something -- well, i have been asking wall street people that no, they are not stepping up. what's their reason? afraid they are never going to

see the money again? >> i have no idea the exact reason. >> sure, it's a family show. >> well, anyway, i just think that they don't think they'll get their money back, as you say. >> well, do you want me to speculate? it's what you said, they aren't going to get their money back. things have gotten so dire, former trump staffer is now, listen to this, just openly begging billionaires to write the expresident a check on air. >> kevin o'leary, i think this is where it's going to go. i was wondering, if he can't get supreme court, will you loan him the $460 million? just in order to protect america's name? think of it that way. >> to get the bond, he was able to get the $90 million from club. i don't know of a bond more than $90 million. i don't recall one. so you need cash to back up the bond insurance and so now we're

talking about -- the terminology of seizing assets. that actually -- that is foreign language to an american. >> well, it's not foreign language. assets get seized in america all the time. as a matter of fact. you'll notice kevin o'leary not saying yes when larry asked him to front the money. so this is where trump is at. having his buddies beg for money on his behalf. bernie marcus, the trump backing billionaire cofounder of home depot was only slightly less pathetic in his recent opinion piece. quote, there are several actions conservative donors should take to ensure that trump-biden ii will have a better outcome. first, the different factions of the republican party must unite behind trump. put another way, no one should sit out the presidential election or withhold their financial support to our nominee. and as it stands, trump simply does not have the cash he needs by monday. without a bond, he is going to

need to raise that cash by selling off assets. if he does not, new york state attorney general, latisha james, is ready to seize those assets instead. as you might imagine, this cuttings to the bone for donald trump. a man who spent his entire public life building mythology around himself as wealthy and successful. one new report says the expresident is in panic mode over the looming deadline. a quick glance at his social media page proves as much. this case should be over, but instead, the attorney general wants to abuse your power to steal my money. no one heard of anything like this before. i would be forced to mortgage or sell great assets at fire sale prices. arguably, the best evidence we have that trump is freaking out is how strongly his campaign is denying he is freaking out. using language we cannot repeat on this show. these baseless innuendos are

pure bs and fake news. now, i will admit, speaking to you here now, that having watched the development of various legal cases against trump, there is some part of me that thinks he will be saved. he will find some appellate avenue to get some judge he appointed somewhere to block the fine, or a rich benefactor will buy it off. but even if he is to pull off a hail mary, time is running out. the clock is ticking closer to his literal judgment day. joining me now, someone who has been covering trump's peril. an investigative reporter at the new york times. i want to start by setting the table how this would normally work. i'm not sure how this does normally work. >> we've never seen this before. so let's just go forward knowing that. we've never seen something this large, involving somebody like donald trump. this is a huge bond he has to come up with.

>> there is no how this would normally work, because you're not normally in a situation where you have to come up with $500 million. >> i've been carefully working through some of the various avenues in the last few days, because this is just so unusual and he also has still some legal avenues left and there's one thing i learned about donald trump in my years of covering him, it's what you said, don't count him out yet. he is facing a very, very harsh deadline on monday, but he still has some avenues. one of them is an appeals court has to rule on this and they are going to do so by monday. i would expect it would come thursday, probably friday. and they can do a few things. they have some options. one is, they can just say, let's stay this and put it off until the appeal has been seen through. i don't think that is going to happen, but it's one option. the other option they have is, he came to them and he said, i would like the bond that i have to put up to be at $100

million. they rejected that. they could come up with a compromise that this isn't this $500 million that he has said he cannot meet. >> okay, so the $500 million question, there's some liquid market for these kinds of bonds at smaller amounts, right? if you had a civil judgment against you for $5 million. there is some posting of clash rat where the bondsman posts it. >> collateral is really tough for these companies that take the appeals. they want cash. they are not in the real estate business. who knows what that is going to be worth in three years or two years when this is seen through. they want something they can liquidate in the markets that night. >> clearly, he doesn't have the cash. >> he does not have the cash. he represented that. he may have some of it. i'll get do that in a minute. everybody imagines come monday, if this doesn't go his way, latisha james will be there with the new york state trooper, with a padlock. they may put liens on properties, but they may also

come and seize what cash he has, which could throw the trump organization and meet their payroll come tuesday if this goes forward. there are so many unknowns that are going to happen. the other thing is, backing up to the appeals court that is going to rule, they could reject him and then he can appeal that and go to a higher court. monday is still a deadline that he is facing. >> okay. so let's say, there's some offroad for an appeals court possible. say that offroad doesn't happen. so, before we get to the showing of the padlock, could you -- again, it's fairly uncharted. could you just do a friendly -- could elon musk say, it would be very useful for elon musk to have the nominee of one of the two major parties and the possible future president owe me an enormous amount of favor? i'm going to post $500 million for him. >> and that's one -- i would

imagine that one option. somebody could come forward and they could say, we're going to give this to you as a gift or a loan. those are both taxable events and would cost the person doing it and paperwork involved. that is one option. the other option is, he could find somebody who he has a friendly transaction with to sell some properties. >> oh, i see. so a quick sale. >> one that i am thinking of, and i don't have any reporting on this to say it's happening. he owns a hotel in las vegas with a fellow by the name phil. they are on very good terms. phil is a supporter of his politically. phil will say i'm going to buy you out of your half of the hotel. they can do a friendly transaction that would not take a long time. any transaction that he comes up with takes 60 days. donald trump may say, i would like a little bit of extra time. i would imagine, does latisha

james, she might say, okay, she might not. that's another thing that could happen. >> okay, so someone loans him or gifts him money. some kind of friendly relatively fast and streamlined financial transaction. >> or one or two, because he needs a lot of money. >> a partner buys him out of half of the vegas casino. >> very quickly, the appeals bonds he is trying to arrange, there has been a lot of negotiation and when i read that in the court papers, i think there was a lot of discussion potentially about taking real estate as collateral. i still don't rule that out. it's unlikely. who knows. it's another option. >> it just seems like if you take real estate collateral, you have enormous downside risk. >> depending on what happens. >> they have obligations against them. >> if anyone wants my financial advice, i'm just letting you know, i see some downside risk. >> i don't want an office tower

in new york either. >> that's another great point. okay, now we get to the appeals court doesn't -- no offer on the appeals court. he can't find someone to lend him the money or raise the cash through sale. what happens then? >> then letitia james will come to the court and start putting liens on the properties. we won't see a situation where they are padlocked and they will take them and sell them. she may have to give those back at the end if he is successful on appeal. that's a whole other issue. she will start to take possession potentially of properties or if he has cash in accounts or obligations. she could seize a rent role. >> she could do that? >> my understanding is, yes. >> or the cash he has. if there's $40 million sitting in an account that they make payroll. >> when you think about it from the trump organization's point of view, they need cash to run

the business. so these are all really scary things they are facing coming out of that court case that we had, where they were found, who committed widespread fraud. we just don't know what's going to happen. these are some of the options that people are talking about, when they are looking at what are the potential things happen come monday if we come to monday and we have a seizure. >> this might be outside of your portfolio. i'm trying to put this context. this sort of thing -- we're out past the frontier. now usually, you are structuring them over time. if there's an enormous judgment, are those just normally strucktured in different ways or do they tend to be against better capitalized firms? >> usually that or the other thing that is significant about

this is donald trump let it get to this point. he should have settled this. i don't know. some point, that might have been on the table. i think letitia james was bringing this to trial, but because it got to this point, it is so severe now and the options are just every day are getting fewer and fewer for him. >> and presumably, i hadn't thought of this before. presumably, one of the reasons that settlement is attractive is aside from taking some discount on the total dollar amount, where you are rolling the dice with a judge or jury, you'll figure out the structure of those payments. >> right. >> precisely so you do not end up in this situation where you are selling your office tower on a sunday. >> and another part of it is, you can't do business with any banks in new york, right? there are other pieces to this, too, that are just quite frightening for the trump organization. i mean, they boxed themselves in and now they have until monday. there could be some sort of relief coming from the appeals

court, but so far, the appeals court offered the $100 million, can you meet us there while we go up on appeal and that was rejected. and they may say 200 or 300 is enough, with other condition that i haven't thought of. so that is what we are waiting for immediately. i think we'll see that before monday. >> all right, look for that. thank you. really appreciate it. coming up, the time honored tradition of presidential candidates asking if things are better now. >> presidents up for reelection usually ask, if the country is better off than it was four years ago. i'll tell you one thing. four years ago, you'd be tailgating here at the link instead of watching a speech from your cars. >> they were honking, because it was covid. and no one could be together. why donald trump insists on reminding us how much worse things were exactly four years ago. next.

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remember ronald reagan talking about jimmy carter? >> ronald reagan used to ask, are you better off? >> are you better off? >> are we better off? >> it's not whether we're better off -- >> better off. >> better off. >> better off. >> than you were four years ago? >> are you better off than you were four years ago? that's the question nearly every candidate has asked the american people for half a

century. you might think that in the unique situation of the 2024 election, coming four years after the on set of a devastating pandemic and worldwide economic turmoil, the man in charge at that time would refrain from posing the traditional question. but you would be wrong. just two days ago, trump posted it in all caps, are you better off than you were four years ago? claiming, it is a bad question for democrats. >> democrats are using fear and division to mask what has been a terrible four years under biden. i repeat, they cannot run on are you better off than you were four years ago. this is all they have left. >> i don't know, sean, how were things four years ago today? let's take a look. this is the front page of the "new york times" from march 20, 2020. four years ago exactly today.

and four years later, it's easy to forget how intense and terrifying this moment in time was. look at that. the headlines bring you right back. it's like reading something out of a disaster movie. just look at the full page, all cap, main headline. quote, doctors sound alarm as a nation struggles. right below it. shortages of gear in peril staff at hospital. healthcare workers running out of masks, gowns, gloves, as cases surged shown in this big map covered in red circles. you can already see new york city was about to become the epicenter. below that, a desperate report on the utter lack of treatment or protection against the deadly virus. quote, a global race to figure out a silver bullet. on the brewing economic disaster, as nonessential businesses across the country were to close, claiming surge as employees are cut loose. and finally, a revolution about

the trump administration's failure to prepare, quote, warning of a pandemic last year was unheeded. that is the story of four years ago exactly today, as told by the paper of the record on the morning of march 20, 2020. it did not get any better as that day went on. as we know, donald trump knew how bad things were going to get. he told bob woodward before anyone knew this in private, the virus could be transmitted through the air and it would be difficult to contain. he told him it was more strenuous than the flu. he was going to play it down to not create a panic. knowing all that, knowing what he knows, take a listen to the reporting from the evening news versus the story being told by the president of the united states at the time, donald trump, in his 90 minute news conference that afternoon. >> breaking news tonight, the coronavirus forcing millions more americans into virtual lockdown over 75 million people

in new york, california, illinois, and connecticut, ordered to stay at home. >> i think we're doing a better job than hopefully most, if not all. we're doing a very effective job. we'll know better in 14 or 15 days. >> fear on the front lines, er doctors saying we are on the verge of a medical disaster. healthcare workers lives at risk. >> my message to the american people is that there is a very low incidence of death. if you get it, if you happen to get it, it is highly unlikely. it's looking like it's getting to a number that is much smaller than people originally thought in terms of the ultimate problem, which would be death. >> the staggering rise in unemployment. people out of work lining up for free meals. >> we have a tremendous economy. we do numbers like no other country has ever done before. number one in the world, if you go back two weeks and still, obviously, but if you go back two weeks. number one in the world by far. that money comes back to us

very rapidly. >> continued frustration over testing for the virus. most states struggle to meet demand. a newly opened site in new jersey today, filled to capacity and forced to close in two hours. >> these private labs have come in. they have been really fantastic. we also have a great system for the future. because as i said, we inherented, we, meaning this administration, an obsolete broken system. >> with supplies and medicine running low, which patient has a better chance of survival and which patient may be denied the care they need? >> what do you say to americans watching right now that are scared? >> i say you're a terrible reporter, that's what i say. i think that's a very nasty question. i think it's a very bad signal you are putting out to the american people. the american people are looking for answers and they are looking for hope.

and you're doing sensationalism. >> i'm going to leave it to you to decide. march 20, 2024. are you better off today than you were four years ago?

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he was a fixer for rudy giuliani, sent on an errand to ukraine to dig up dirt on the bidens in service of donald trump and ended up in a russian disinformation trap as he explained to the committee today. >> i say this to you because i love this country. from shortly after my arrest to now, i have been trying to share the truth with you. the american people have been lied to by donald trump, rudy giuliani in government and media positions. the only information ever pushed on the bidens in ukraine have come from one source, and one source only. russia and russian agents. the impeachment proceedings are predicated on false information spread by the kremlin. >> at what point did it become spreading misinformation and lies about biden? >> at some point, when we hit a

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prison. they have anything remotely impeachment on the president. he was not having it, calling the whole thing a spectacular failure. >> with any luck today marks the end of perhaps the most spectacular failure in the history of congressional investigations. the effort to find a high crime or misdemeanor committed by joe biden and then to impeach him for it. today, the good chairman and his ace megadetectives have finally jumped the shark. the comedy of errors come crashing to an end as house republicans and more than a dozen biden districts beg for mercy in the committee throws a flabby, hail mary pass, three weeks after the super bowl is over. >> joining us now is congressman raskin of maryland. the top democrat on the oversight committee, served as impeachment manager in the second impeachment of donald trump. that was a strange event today, as most of these are. here's my question to you. does everyone know it's dead?

are they in denial? it seems to me, everyone knows it's dead. fox hosts say it's dead. do they know that? >> well, the republicans know the votes are simply not there. there are too many republicans in biden districts, and the democrats know it is dead because there's no evidence. we sat there for 15 months to see them bark up one tree only to see the branches fall off to go to another. and so the thing is over. everybody knows it's over. they literally don't know what to do. there's no legislative agenda on the republican side, which a lot of our members today and proceeded to leave, focused on. there are so many things we could be done, even of a bipartisan nature. we are wasting our time on absolute trivia. and they are making themselves the laughing stock of the country at this point. >> yeah, i was thinking today, as i was watching parts of the

hearing today. you know, international relations, you have to create offramps or face saving means of retreat, right? if there's a sort of antagonistic power that has itself in a situation where it is going just to not lose face, you have to give it some sort of face saving way out. and i wonder what that is here, right? they aren't going to say, well, we're wrong. they can't keep going, can they? >> yes. no, i think the soft landing that they are going to try to camouflage this terrible crash and burn situation in, is criminal referrals to the department of justice, which is of course, how the january 6th committee ended up. they are thinking they will invent some crimes and send it over to the d.o.j., the problem is that there are no crimes. if there were crimes, they would be pushing them for impeachment. the only crimes committed by their own witnesses. some of them are already in prison, like mr. gelanis, who

has been described by two federal judges as a conman and a social sociopath, including indian tribes and investors and so on. and some of them are on their way, like mr. smirnoff, who basically got this whole impeachment train rolling with the fd1023 form, where he said that the bidens have $10 million directly from barisma, which has finally come undone with david weise, a trump appointed u.s. attorney now special counsel, bringing an indictment against smirnoff for lying to the department of justice and constructing a false record. what was so great about today, rudy giuliani's right-hand man coming forward to close the loop on this saying it all began with russian propaganda

and lies. that's the way it sending, too. >> yeah, i was so struck by listening to mr. parnas today, because you've made this point before, others made the point. the degree to which this is just the same thing that was the initial first impeachment of donald trump. an attempt to, you know, essentially create the pretext for criminal investigation and criminal prosecution of joe biden and his family as a means of selling him politically based on russian disinformation and russian interest in ukraine that was being targeted by vladimir putin. >> and he was such a breakthrough witness for parnas, because he said basically, this whole chain of events began with smirnoff with the exact same lie that he and giuliani cooked up for donald

trump in 2018 and 2019. i so wish today that he had been able to be a witness in impeachment number one. he told me that he was actually entering the building, but because he had his ankle bracelet on, they wouldn't allow him in, because of the technology. i guess it set off the detectors. but he was able to tell in very direct ways the story, i don't think most americans have ever understood. i'm not even sure i understood it that way until he said look, we went over there looking for real dirt on a mission from donald trump. we couldn't find any, wherefore we went. we were finding dirt on joe biden, we couldn't find any. so they just started concocting and manufacturing the story in conjunction with russia's intelligence agents. that was the source of the whole lie that joe biden was somehow a procorruption actor.

we are hoping we are putting an end to it now. >> i think we will. i was struck today by how much lev remembers. congressman jamie raskan, thank you so much. >> you bet. still to come, the united states warns of famine in gaza, can he help things from getting worse? that's next. (shouting) hi! need new glasses? it's buy one get one free at visionworks! (shouting) how can you see me squinting? (shouting) i can't! i'm just telling everyone! ...hey!

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conflict between president joe biden and israeli prime minister benjamin met now you is now out in the open. it burst into the open with senate majority leader chuck schumer specifically calling for new elections to replace him as head of the government last week that then won praise from president biden. netanyahu responded by booking himself on a cable news show to say that it was inappropriate and they are not a banana republic. today he addressed the senate republican luncheon bowing to ignore the white house's redline about the full-scale military operation south of gaza where over 1 million palestinians are taking refuge because of all the bombing in the north. house republicans are considering inviting netanyahu to make his case before a joint session of congress, something he did in 2015 when barack obama was president and pursuing the iran deal. all of this comes as the global

authority on food insecurity warns that famine may already be present in northern gaza and that, and i could for -- quote reuters here, mass death is imminent if action is not taken now. in all 1.1 million gazans were experiencing catastrophic shortages of food with around 300,000 in the areas now facing the prospect of famine skill death rates. the united nations secretary general saying it is the highest number of people facing catastrophic hunger ever recorded by the monitoring ni organization. >> more than half of all palestinians in gaza, 1.1 million people, have completely exhausted their food supplies and are facing catastrophic hunger. this is the highest number of people facing catastrophic hunger ever recorded by the

integrated food security classification system anywhere, anytime. this is an entirely man-made disaster. the report makes clear that it can be halted. we must act now to prevent the unthinkable, the unacceptable, and the unjustifiable. >> john hunt is a national security reporter for the fo washington post and peter is the author of the notebook on sub . both join me now. john, it's a great piece of reporting. let's start, since we just showed that warning about this integrated famine system sort of ring in this alarm bell. as flat as possible. the u.s.

government and israeli government are sort of at loggerheads on this question. the israeli government says we are not an obstacle to food getting in. the u.s. government is saying, the is really out government it is got the israeli government is an obstacle. >> it's an incredible standoff where one party is saying the sky is blue and the other is saying, the sky is purple. it's a huge contrast. basically we got here with the administration pursuing a bear hug strategy with israel. this is the idea that if they give them the precedented political and military support, they will be able to influence them in keyways. a key way they were hoping to influence the israelis is on the delivery of aid which you just talked about. at the near famine situation according to age groups and the u.n. i can tell you i have traveled with secretary blinken the last three times he's been to israel since october 7. the aid has been such a huge issue.

the united states have tried to push officials allowing more trucks. the bare minimum is coming through and is not even coming through. it is a hugely difficult situation in southern gaza but even worse in northern gaza. despite all of these rancorous back and forth switch you so accurately set up at the beginning of this piece, the united states has hit a brick wall. it is politically unpopular in israel to send any aid into gaza. now, for biden it is a huge political problem l both domestically and internationally. >> i want to talk about some of these fissures but i want to stay on this for a second. there has been so much horror and suffering and violence bothr before october 7 but particularly from october 7 to r now across the spectrum of the human beings that live between the jordan river and mediterranean sea. there is also extremely

contested questions factually all y the time about what is happening. i just can't stress enough to people watching that the famine is real. everyone who is looking at this objectively, everyone on the ground, every ngo. it does not matter. it's not this information. it's not propaganda. we can calculate how many calories are getting in and how many calories people need. people are going to starve unless something changes. >> you can see from the images on the ground. it's incredible and heartbreaking. emaciated children, all of the images with people flocking towards air drops coming in. yet the president announcing at the state of the union that he will move a floating peer. all of these measures that are only necessary because the israelis are not allowing trucks, the most efficient way of getting aid in. >> right. this is a war that is being prosecuted with our weapons.

it can continue because we give israel diplomatic protection so they don't face consequences of their behavior at international institutions. joe biden wants to create these situations as if he has no leverage. we will drop food from the air and create a port. there's a direct way to do this. we do not have to be enabling this war. we do not have to allow our weapons to be used to bomb people and create conditions in which they starve. from the very beginning joe biden has not been willing to take that decision because he was politically schooled in an environment which said, you don't have that public confrontation with israel. now, i hope he's realizing if he does not have the public confrontation, it could cost him the presidency and this will be on his head. on the starvation of all of these people. >> on this question of the

politics here. there was tremendous unity, i think. both in israel with its fractious politics and not surprisingly in the wake of the october 7 attack. tremendous unity between the jewish diaspora in the u.s. we have seen this fracture in israel and here. how do you assess what that means for the political received wisdom that joe biden has been functioning on? >> in israel the people that are closest to the hostages, the families, are desperate to stop the war because it is the only way of saving the hostages. the hostages are in gaza. anyone who is in gaza is in grave paramount. among american jews there's a growing number of people that are horrified by what hamas did on october 7 but look at what those images we just saw in gaza and say, we of all people given our history, we should

never be complicit in something like that. obviously i'm not saying it's sl the holocaust but given our suffering and we were all g raised to ask the question, did people do enough when we were in jeopardy? we should be the last people on earth to be complicit in something like this. >> john, there seems a breaking point here. what you report in the reporting is there is a strategy here. hug the israeli government and netanyahu and offer criticisms and counsel forms of restraint and aid in private? that seems to have broken down. it is now public. they are at loggerheads. there's a clear line in terms of a ground invasion in rossa. what happens now. >> that's a great question. the looming decision ahead of the administration is whether or not to exercise the biggest point of leverage they have which is the military

assistance they are sending. my sources say they should expect future arms transfers in the coming days. the administration has said that right now all of this speculation about cutting off military assistance to israel at this point is an informed speculation. it is true that there are more conversations about this happening inside the administration when it comes to this all-important decision where there is actual leverage. it's also building up to a point of this conflict headed towards a showdown in rafah where netanyahu has already signed off. it's a big decision. we will see where it goes. >> john hudson and peter beinart. thank you both very much. >> we have worked together for a long time. we run into each other a lot. it's not that i pay a