welcome back to the weekend. ascended dustbowl the senate approved a -- sending the bill to biden. while congress averted a government shutdown, house republicans could not avert -- chaos. friday was a very, very bad day for house digger mike johnston. not only is johnson now facing a looming battle -- to vacate marjorie taylor greene, he is also dealing with the dwindling house majority with wisconsin congressman mike gallagher announcing plans to leave congress next month. republicans will soon be able to lose just one vote if all democrats vote together on legislation. joining us now -- congressional for the national post. >> mariana, i have to ask you, is there more frustration in the republican caucus with marjorie taylor greene or speaker johnson? >> i would say marjorie taylor

greene. it is something i heard from even far right member from the house freedom caucus that they're not taking this too seriously. simply because as many republicans pointed out, she is someone who seeks attention. it will be interesting to see, though, if she did file this motion not under any special privileges that would actually force the house to consider this question of vacating the speaker. but if she does, and she can do it at any point in time, that is where the question will weigh on a couple of republicans. the are really, really frustrated far right members who are just upset by the vote that we saw yesterday. and a number of other things that johnson has so far done. >> mike waller who is a republican out of new york sits in one of those districts that we talked about the 18 districts that a republican represents but joe biden won in 2020. he has something about this

desperate to say that all of this. marjorie taylor greene, -- and democrats potentially assisting. i want to play what he has to say. >> the issues are on our side. but we have to show them we can govern and we can work as a unit. doing things like this, obviously, makes chaos and creates unnecessary distraction. it is the responsibility of the democrats not to partake in something that undermines our government. the reality is, hakeem jeffries always says, people over politics. well, show that. short right now by making it clear you will not team up with marjorie taylor greene to remove beaker for keeping the government opens. >> now, i do not know the last time i house republicans try to talk to the democrats about what they need to do. and use hard language. >> it's funny he tried to put on the democrats. they did not bring the motion of anything. >> remember the speaker --

another big vote, i feel like groundhog day, he said something about the democrats, whatever, whatever democracy. the -- democrat-led, you will not talk to us like this. we do not have your back. what we heard from michael lawler is they are very concerned. they are concerned about what marjorie taylor greene is doing. i don't think the figure -- finger wagging to democrats is going to work. i could be wrong. >> this is interesting. because a lot of health democrats in particular were really, really annoyed that, to your point, symone, that your kevin mccarty was always talking down to them. never went formally to hakeem jeffries have that ask, i need your help. that is why democrats back off. it is difficult johnson. -- it is different with johnson. both hakeem jeffries and a number of house democratic leaders say they will only

build johnson out if the motion to vacate question comes forth if he puts the supplemental bill on the floor. to fund ukraine, israel, the indo pacific. that is a little different. >> the reality for the house right now is, marjorie taylor greene is kevin mccarty's parting gift to the house of representatives. and it is a gift that keeps on giving over and over again. to the point where you would want a bad penny in your pocket. that is how useful all of her antics are. now you have mike gallagher also stirring the pot, marianna, bison, i will not run for re-election. and then, you know what? i will leave before the term is over. and you know what, even better? i will leave after a period that my state can replace me and put someone else in the seat so we can have a better

majority. so now we are down to one. one member deciding not to go the right way. if all the democrats hold in. i would argue in most situations, the democrats will hold as a vote on the block -- [ inaudible ] >> the democratic leader, hakeem jeffries. >> he has kept his group pretty tight. -- the way speaker johnson navigate this new terrain with just one vote, literally, between getting a bill passed in keeping his seat. >> it is going to be incredibly difficult. johnson has said this himself, just how hard it is to govern and ungovernable majority. not the fact that is literally -- >> he is referring to his own majority as ungovernable? >> yes. it's complicated. but here's the thing, house republican leadership have been able to figure out how to pass things. without their majority.

the house, as we know it, with democrats, has always passed ring through simple majority. that is it. -- that procedural hurdle their thing, we need two thirds of the house to be able to do all these things. that is all we have seen the house been able to "govern". that has really -- it has upset the far right. >> can i push back? not pushback, but has the house govern? or have they barely funded the government every time it needed to be funded? >> when it's the must pass or need to address, they have been able to reach that point. but to your point, though, house republicans have not been able to pass their own bills that they care about. they just do not have the votes. they were unable to impeach by the because they do not have the votes. >> that's interesting with michael lawler in the clip saying, we have the issues on our side.

dude, really? if you did, i think this would be easy. it is not the complication of the issues, it is the complication of and ungovernable majority that is fractured across the board. on not just what they want to put out there, and how to negotiate with an administration that arguably is in a much weaker position given where the president polls are anything like that. they keep giving life to democrats on a number of these issues. >> now i will say, what does it mean to govern? it has spilled onto the campaign trail. we are seeing city members of congress actually going out and campaigning against their own colleagues. because when you talk to those like mike moeller and say, i want to pass a bill. they are like, we need more rational people like that to make of our majority. you talk to the freedom caucus and matt gaetz, they say no, -- if we had more of our point of

view, even though that is a group that has constantly threatened the pragmatic republicans we are trying to pass the bill for. >> michael, let's pull up two headlines from this week. one, you have house republican budget calling for raising the retirement age for social security. and then -- the majority of house republicans endorsing abortion band that threatens ivf. the issues, michael, are not on their side. >> no. that is the reality, i think, they are facing right now. let's put it that way. the leadership understands going into this cycle -- this election cycle, they have severely disadvantage themselves. now i think people, marianna, can see a bit clearly why macconnell was like, you know what? i do not know the house, i do not know what they are doing. we will state on our own track

and promote our thing as best we can. that separation between the house and the senate has been more stark over the last year than it has been in a long time. because of these types of headlines that you see. that is not where the american people are. >> absolutely. it has been quite incredible to see just how segmented the republican party within the capital >> has become. just how stark the issues have been and been playing out. it has really made it difficult . for republicans to see where they are uncertain things. ivf question, that is something that the nrc see, they are around to recruit and help house candidates and house republican incumbents. they are telling candidates, go out there and talk about your personal stories on ivf. go talk about it. but then there are things like this where a majority of republican sign onto this. >> to this and then the letter

from the members to dennis over at the veterans affairs? i have been saying for a while, you have to watch what they are doing. do not just listen to what they say. whoever they is. >> we will leave you with that right now. mariana soto mayor, thank you so much for joining us at the table. next, michael cohen will join us at the table to discuss his former bosses money troubles ahead of a critical deadline. you are walking the weekend -- watching the weekend on msnbc. .

it is a make or break time for donald trump. on monday, the former president must post a bond for the full amount of the $454 million will fraud penalty that he owes. if he does not, new york attorney general letitia james could try -- start to seize his bank account and properties. his legal team says it is almost impossible to secure that amount of money. but on his social media platform, trump has been bragging that he has almost $500 million in cash on hand. okay? and then you have also happening this monday, we will likely find out what that the women trumps hush money trial will begin. one of the key witnesses to that case joins us now, -- michael cohen. he is the host of podcast, mea culpa. and political be down.

he is also the author of revenge, how donald trump what denies the department of justice against his critical -- >> two podcasts, two books. >> we will do a trilogy. a trilogy of terror. >> let's talk about the third book. there are big things happening on monday. i am interested in this question of whether or not michael lee -- if he is able to come up with a bond. what you think happens? >> obviously, no one knows. is a privately held company. donnell, on one hand, has his lawyers telling the judge he does not have the money. it's impossible to obtain a bond for that amount of money. but then he goes on these untrue social plat warms and he starts bragging about how he has 500 million. if that is true, it sounds to me like there's a little perjury charge

going on here. because you made a statement to the court's that you have the money, you do not have the money. is it a lie? is it not a lie. with donald trump, you never know. assuming he has it, donald does not want to use his own money. he never wants to use his own money. >> he said he wanted to use money for his campaign, but he hasn't. in 2020. >> when we were running the 2016 campaign and he was telling everyone, i am really rich. and i do not need anybody's money, i will run this on my own. the next thing he was saying was, i do not want to rent any money. go out and raise money. which is of course we ended up doing. does he have this money? i'm sure he has some. and he has the ability to obtain. i do not think he has the ability to get half a billion dollars. no way. he will need the help of people like some of these donors that are doing this $800,000 a person plate dinner.

that is a lot of money. >> better be a lot of food. >> better be, right? this is not all-you-can-eat. this is one of those sorts of things. $800,000 a plate, even that will not get him anywhere near the amount of the bond. >> michael, i want to play what trump said in his deposition, the $400 million deposition in the e. jean carroll defamation trial. what he said about money and being a developer. >> i do not need the money. you have probably seen the cash, we have a lot of cash, i believe. we have substantially in excess of $400 million in cash. which is a lot for a developer. developers usually do not have cash. but we i believe our 400+ and going upwards substantially every month. >> okay, so, that is one scenario he wants to pay for a -- paint for us.

there is a new scenario saying, he does not need the money. he has got a lot of cash. truth social, apparently, could go on the market and be on the stock exchange. some analysts were saying that would generate, potentially, a couple to $3 billion worth of value to him. money he cannot access obviously because of the prohibitions of selling the stock for six months after it goes public. that there is a space we talked about donald trump getting cash that could potentially be available to him. walk us through how that would work if in fact all of that plays out. and the fact as he says, developers do not usually have cash but i have a lot of it. i guess this could do that for him. >> as it relates to this, again, untruth social platform. what is the value to it? the fact that they want to make claims that it's worth $4 billion or $5 billion and he is like 85% of the stock. wouldn't

that stock be valued based upon its profitability? i understand it has 15 million users on it. compare that to somebody like taylor swift who has 120 million followers. 120 million, what is the profitability that they are making the statement that it is worth not just into the millions or the hundreds of millions, but into the billions of dollars? i do not buy it either. there trying to hype up the stock the same way they would do it for trump mortgage, trump university, trump vodka, chopsticks, trump this or trump that. there is no profitability. and there is no future site for that profitability either. who wants to go on to truth social? it is nonsense. and i do not think that anybody is going to take this -- the stock as an advance for cash.

>> you named all of the things that donald trump has put his name on in the past. you notes and believe they are inflating the numbers. literally, that is what he is in trouble with tish james in new york for doing. inflating his assets, lying about his assets to essentially defraud the cash payers in new york. i want to turn to the other case that we have been watching., michael. you are a key part of that case. i am talking about what is being called a hush money trial. the case was supposed to start on monday. now there's going to be a hearing. we have seen footage of, stormy daniels, separately, going into alan bragg's office, the manhattan d.a. for this meeting. i know you are limited in what you can say. tell us something about the preparations for monday. are we going to see you in this

hearing? >> the hearing is about of course all of these late documents. i will tell you, i am very angry about the whole thing. first and foremost, i have put in a request under -- three years ago. originally, i talk about this in the book revenge, initially, they said there were no documents that are relevant to your request. well, i had three or four documents. i turned them over to my attorney, mark is a. the next thing you know, three months later they claim, we are sorry, we made a mistake. is 486,000 documents. three years later. not a single document until about two weeks ago i get 32 document from them. other than that, it has been absolute silence. donald put in a request in

january and six weeks later all of a sudden there are 130,000 or 173 thousand documents that are being turned over? i would like to know what is going on. i would like to know what is going with the fdny, which is problematic. i would like to know what is going on at the doj. what is going on here? those documents belong to the people and they should have been released on the foyer. i will tell you what those documents will show. it will show that donald trump, through a willing and complicit -- attorney general went ahead and weapon denies the united the department of justice and unconstitutionally remanded the united dates citizens. >> he was calling these newer cases and local cases as if to say to american voters, do not worry about this, it is just a little thing that happened in georgia. winter is connected tissues with all of them have to do with

a national stage and audience. that is, yes, we have to refer to this as the hush money case as a means of differentiating it from the other election interference cases. fundamentally, what we are talking about here is interfering with the elections yet again. >> when donald needs to win, he needs to win by any means necessary. he will do anything. if we can go back to, for example, the bond. that is what i keep yelling about again and again to the american people. it is not about the money. it's not about whether he can or cannot afford it. it is how does he get the money? just imagine if hypothetically he gets a that spoke gets it from one of the megamillion -- like harold hamm. how indebted is the president going to be to that individual? worse than that is, what if hypothetically is coming from a foreign entity? what if it is coming from vladimir putin or -- or victor

or bond? they can certainly make the payment for him. the u.s. national security would be on the line because donald will be indebted to that foreign entity. this is a real danger to all of us. >> michael, why do you think there is a tone deafness to what you just said? there is a blind spot in the american public to some degree. was certainly with respect to other organs of the federal government, the judicial process. that donald trump has been able to manipulate these entities and to basically -- into basically doing and getting what he wants. that is delaying this process. and along the way, demonizing individuals like yourself who were holding up the documents then, read it in plain, this is what is happening. speak to a little bit what is happening in that space and why is it so difficult, despite your connection to all of this,

and your revelations from all of this, that it is not landing the way it probably should? >> because what donald trump has taught the american people is that with money you can fight the system. you can delay the system ad infinitum. the problem is, people are afraid of him. the judges are afraid of him. for example, judge furman in response to the released of me from supervised release. which was blessed by the department of probation. they are afraid of him for whatever reason, i do not know. i have been yelling 2018 when i said donald trump is a fraud, he is a con man. i was right when i said that. if he lost the election in 2020 there would never be up peaceful transfer of power, i was right again. when i said he overvalue his assets and under lighted -- for tax purposes, i was right again. why people do not want to

listen, i do not know. we have to yell louder. we have to do whatever we can to inform as many americans out there on the dangers that donald trump poses to american democracy. because he does not care about america. he never did and he never will. he cares about one person and one person only. >> from michael cohen to america, pay attention. like you so much, we really appreciate you, man. thank you. we have much more on trans- legal troubles ahead. you need to stick stick stick with the weekend on msnbc. c. and benefit choices. so you can reach today's financial goals and look forward to a more confident future. voya, well planned, well invested, well protected. (bobby) my store and my design business? we're exploding. voya, well planned, but my old internet, was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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government, only the presidency. is not only about security clearance, he would not make it through of that for high-level cabinet position, a high-level white house or government appointment. because of literally the litany of things we know, particularly his vulnerability financially. -- >> i think the last part of what michael cohen said is essential here. particularly, we know he is now death for cash. i am saying, just watch with a great deal of scrutiny when he post that bond. where that money comes from. there are a lot of ways in which that money can get worked into the system. everyone is focusing on the hill, the rubble that the republicans, on hunter biden. he is nowhere anywhere near the administration. but my question is, not where is hunter, but where is -- jared?

>> wears jared. >> he is out here doing these deals. he has $2 billion walking out of the white house. >> from the saudi's. >> there are a lot of things that michael cohen raises that will be worth a conversation as this thing gets underway starting on monday. >> he was walking out and he said he really feels like we are on the cusp of accountability. that it is getting closer and closer, when you look at it in the -- these payments are becoming due and it's exposing some of the financial realities of trump himself and the trump organization. or if it is the new york case which is getting ready to move and could actually be one of the timeline wise fastest routes to accountability. >> that is so important, because now you understand conceptually why the press to delay. it is not just to avoid the election side. but to also give him the runway he needs to pull those

resources together that he knows he needs. even before these judgments came down, donald trump had not dismounting, he had mountains of legal bills that had to be paid in the hundreds of millions of dollars. so, yeah, i think that accountability pieces starting to stick. we will see more importantly whether the american people to in enough and focus enough to see exactly the threat that donald trump represents, not just in terms of being president, but even globally. >> the accountability piece is key. in america we say no one is above the law. this is in fact our systems opportunity to show it. is frustrating the fact that that so if anyone else -- you know what i want to say. ahead, i had. donald trump has a wild new argument for that supreme court to make them immune in the federal -- case. chuck rosenberg joins the weekend table to discuss next. .

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-- donald trump's legal team is arguing he should be completely removed from criminal charges stemming from him that so his attempt to subvert the 2020 election. the right, the president cannot function in the present itself cannot retain its independence if the president faces criminal prosecution for official acts once he leaves office. the supreme court is supposed

to hear oral arguments on that next my. chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former u.s. fbi official. good morning. >> real quick, jack -- chuck, jump in on the last point. donald trump cannot be prosecuted for official acts once he leaves office. if you are no longer in office, how do you have -- because the documents that he has, the arguments were, he took the arguments out -- or when he did this or that thing, he was still president. and therefore that was the official act. or is it with respect to actions taken afterwards? so when the fbi says can we get the documents back and he says, no, is that an official act? what is the deal with the official act thing? >> i find it hard to believe that keeping documents that literally belong to the federal

government is an official act. i also find it hard to believe that pressuring the secretary of state to find you 11,780 votes you can win the election is not an official act, but what do i know? i was a deputy to the president. >> you probably know more than me. >> is a hard question sometimes. keeping classified information and documents and materials in your house is not an official act. by the way, nor are they your records. obstructing justice. misleading the fbi or encouraging or instructing other people to hide the documents. or not turn them over. that cannot be an official act under any circumstance, michael. there might be some really small subset of things that would be an official acts for which a president ought to not be prosecuted. i do not think that is what you find in either of the two

federal indictments involved in mr. trump. not the one in the d.c. -- election interference, not the one in mar-a-lago mishandling classified documents. those are not official acts. >> if the supreme court -- they're going to have to decide that so i guess they have a couple of things to decide. on this question of official acts in the immunity case they have already heard in relation to the federal d.c. trial, they are going to decide if it was an official act that donald trump and his allies, again, tried to steal an election. and in this other case, in mar- a-lago, in florida with judge cannon. again, a whole another story. they are going to decide if it is an official act -- when he took the government documents and kept them. >> the high level, the supreme court will decide whether or not a president can enjoy immunity, absolute immunity for official acts while president.

>> -- don't they have to prove whether any of these are official acts? >> that is where it gets harder, and more complicated. it could result in the supreme court asking the lower court to decide whether or not what mr. trump allegedly did here is or is not an official acts. so could there be further delay after the supreme court ruled? yes. is the supreme court .2 conclusively resolve this case after oral argument? maybe not. >> what are the arguments that trumps legal team relied on in this filing over immunity -- it was from justin cavanaugh, who was appointed by donald trump. they tried to say that cavanaugh had argued that a president should be under different prosecution. you read closely what cavanaugh's eyes, he says a sitting president should be immune but a former president, once they have left office is not rented the same immunity.

it would seem to me as a nonlawyer, unwise shock to put a justices own argument in front of them in a way that actually runs counter to the argument you're trying to make. >> alicea, you are right. even if you are not a lawyer. you are talking about an article that justice kavanaugh wrote long before he was justice kavanaugh. in 1998, 26 years ago. if you read only one sentence of this article. mr. trump's lawyers have the better argument. if you read the entire article, they are dead wrong. as a strategic matter, not a great way to cite justice kavanaugh's work. as a practical matter, i think it is a disaster. whether or not it will matter, that is another issue, alicea. justice kavanaugh on the supreme court may have a different view than he did when he wrote the article order of a

century ago. what matters right now are -- legal scholars right that's just right there. their views change and they should not be held to them. he is a judge now. he has a different job -- >> chuck, let's go from the sublime to the ridiculous. you have trump's lawyers arguing , as business insider is reporting, if he does not have absolute immunity from criminal prosecution, teacher presidents could be blackmailed. >> seriously? >> i think that is nonsense. we have a lot of data that suggest it is nonsense. we have had 46 presidents now, mr. trump was the 45th. the 44 before him had not been prosecuted or blackmailed his own conduct while in office. the notion that all of a sudden this will change strikes me. this is a legal word, michael? silly.

>> as a recovering lawyer, we do silly well together. i appreciate that. chuck, stick around for a moment. we talk about why so many experts are scratching their heads yet again at the decisions judge eileen cannon has been making in the classified case. -- at the top of the hour on vell she, -- allie will connect the dot between trump's flip- flopping on tiktok, the merging of the social media sites and one in slovenian billionaire. pennsylvanian billionaire. we will get back with that. tha

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don't judge us. every epic footlong deserves the perfect sidekick. the judge overseeing donald trump's classified documents case is shooed an unusual order this week. it was regarding the jury instructions at the end of the trial. even though the judge has not said when the trial will be held. the order suggested judge eileen's cannons -- allows

presidents to declare highly classified documents to be personal property. national security law expert say that is not what the law says or how it has been interpreted over decades by the courts. the great chuck rosenberg is still with us. >> chuck, this is being described by other legal experts as very -- do you agree? >> i do, alicea. the official records of the president belongs to the american people, not the president. as for classified information, i do not believe there is any argument you can make as a data that's cool that a president can take documents home with him or her and is a class that will declassify them as their own. >> we were talking a little bit about judge eileen cannon on this case. there are a lot of views about how she has handled this case

and continues to handle this case. i, for one, to put my bias on the table, feel that looking at her objectively she has got at least a pinky finger on the scales of justice are donald trump. -- tell me where i may be wrong. how do you see how she is managing this case? a lot of legal experts out there are a lot smarter than me. and i'm a recovering lawyer, i get it. at the same time they are saying, what is she doing? what is happening here? why is she lying in the face of obvious black letter law? >> i do not think she is biased, michael. i think there is a different problem. i think there's something else going on. just because a person is nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate to be a federal judge me she is now suddenly overnight great wisdom, knowledge, experience and judgment. those are the things you gain over years, right?

frankly, some judges are really, really good. some are really, really bad. most are somewhere in between. the same is the same for judges, plumbers and i hate to say, airline pilots. -- you'd rather have sully sullivan and in some mediocre pilot. >> you think she is green? >> she is certainly green. she has not had that many trials, i believe the number is four. that is not her fault. she is new at this. may be one day she will be really good at this. there is not a lot of evidence to support that right now. but i think she is struggling. and i think some of the things you're saying from her, as alicia mentioned, they are just silly and wrong. they are misstatements of the law. have been maddening for the prosecutors to try to litigate in front of her. >> chuck, i am sure there are people sitting at home saying,

if she is so green, why and how did she end up with this case? and two, i used to watch how to be a millionaire, i would phone a friend. why has she not phoned a friend? >> i never saw the millionaire show. what is it called? >> how to be a millionaire. i will send you a link on youtube. >> please do. there are people who could mentor her and answer her questions. i do not know if she has tried that or not. how does she get this case? she is a federal judge in the southern district of florida. they have a modified lottery system which assigns cases, mostly at random. there is some weeding within the system. once you are a federal judge, symone if you became a federal judge sitting in the southern district of florida, your ping- pong ball goes into a big hopper, they turned the ham -- handle. if your name pops up, they put symone on the case. >> i would phone a friend.

i would not call lisa because she is not a lawyer. but i would actually phone her to ask her, who do you think i should call? >> i would phone you. >> i have watched a lot of law and order. i took the lsat. i covered the trump years. i am pretty much a lawyer at this point. here is the push and pull, truck -- chuck rosenberg. jack smith wants to keep things moving. and so his competing interests here are a judge who continues to make questionable judgments. and knowing that if there is any effort to remove her from the bench, that serves only to slow down this case. if you are jack smith, how are you weighing those two realities against each other? >> i do not move to recuse her from the case. i think that is a terrible look for the government. number two, i think it absolutely failed. sometimes you get a bad draw,

alicia. this is their draw. not to do that will be too cliche, you have to draw the hand you're dealt. hopefully, over time, they can educate her on the law. and hopefully over time, she can begin to absorb some of those lessons. right now, it is not pretty. that is unfortunate. because cases from a prosecutors perspective do not get better with age. >> the stakes are high, the fact that it is not pretty is concerning. i have faith, chuck, that she will learn on the job. >> why don't we have a trial date yet? i would not ask the question, but she is talking about jury instructions and posttrial things. but there is no trial date. >> there is no trial date because she is not very good or efficient at managing her docket. i have been in front of some very good judges in the eastern district of virginia. there is also a culture there called the rocket docket. to move your cases with some

degree with alacrity. to some degree, not that it is right, everyone benefits when cases are resolved. she does not seem to be up to the task. again, to michael's first point, symone, i do not believe that is bias. this might seem harsh, i think it is incompetence. >> it might also be the truth, chuck rosenberg. that, for me, is refreshing. i do not know about you all, but it hits here. chuck, we appreciate you coming here. and we will get you that youtube link. >> that does it for us on the weekend on this lovely saturday morning. we will see you back here tomorrow morning at our regular time, 8:00 a.m. eastern. before -- be sure to follow the show at msnbc. from all of us, have a great rest of your day. day. to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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