good evening, tonight, video from gaza raising questions about potential war crimes by israel. if seeing is believing, will it force world powers to reign israel in ? senator kris van holland is here. and a big week for donald trump in new york. it is time he pays up or risk losing his beloved properties. ruling on your rights, access to the abortion pill in the hands of the far right supreme court.

let's do it. we begin tonight with new video published by al jazeera and obtained by nbc news. it shows us one of the most troubling scenes to emerge since the begin of the israel-hamas war. it documents the last living moments of four men targeted by the israeli military. we warn you, this is disturbing. four civilian men are walking through the devastated city of khan yunis, talking amongst themselves on tracks left by israeli tanks. they appear to be unarmed. corg to our experts at nbc news, the pen appear to be by an idf missile. two were instant lekilled. a third man survived the noilgs strike and gets up. then the fourth man is walking ahead. 50 seconds later, that man is

struck by another missile. the last survivor is stumbling to get away from the initial blast site before falling to his knees and being hit by another missile. according to al jazeera rgs this footage was retrieved from an israeli drone that was shot down and the attack is believed to have happened in early february. in a statement the israeli mill stare responded saying the area shown in the video is an active combat zone in khan yunis which underwent significant civilian evacuation. the idf is investigating the footage. videos like this are raising concerns on how the israeli military is conducting itself in this war. we only know about this attack because the footage was leaked. imagine how many more times something like this has happened without being captured on camera that we or the world don't know about. while those four men died instantly, thousands more could die by starvation as famine looms imminent as part of the

strategy, israel is restricting shipments of food aid to a fraction of what the palestinian civilians need to survive, purposely restricting humanitarian aid, using starvation as a weapon of war and target ting innocent civilians, amounting to war crimes under international law. it is important to remember the american supply of weapons to israel is contingent upon the compliance to international law and our own u.s. laws. here's how buntly senator kris van holland put it last month. >> kids in gaza are now dying from the deliberate with holding of food. that is a war crime. it is a text book war crime. that makes those who orchestrate it war criminals. >> in february, under pressure from senator van hollen and other lawmakers, the biden administration released a memo requesting assurances from israel that they are not

committing war crimes in gaza. while the state department last week received israel's written response assuring the american government that the use of u.s. supplied weapons has not violated international or u.s. laws in its conduct of the war and protection of civilians including the provision of state aid. the state department has until may 8th to assess whether the assure pss are credible and reliable. now a group of 17 democrat senators led by van hollen are calling on biden to reject israel's claims. the idea that the israeli military would objectively examine itself and somehow conclude it was defying u.s. and international law screams increduity. in a statement, they said it would be inconsistent with the biden letter of memorandum to find that the assurances made by the netanyahu government meet the credible and reliable standard at this time. kicking us off this hour is kris

van hollen of maryland, senator good to have you back on the show. let me start with your reaction to the footage on the show. when you see the video, does it strengthen the comments you made that there are growing concerns about war crimes happening in gaza? >> well, it is good to be with you. that was very disturbing video which means the united states really needs to look and examine hard claims being made by the netanyahu government and also in my view, we have an obligation to conduct independent reviews and not just take the word of the netanyahu government of what happened. this is why we pushed some time ago for what begame national security memorandum 20 which does require that governments getting u.s. military assistance

like israel make these promises in writing and they have to be credible, found credible, that they will comply with international law and importantly facilitate and not arbitrarily restrict the delivery of humanitarian assistance. that is why we are pressing the biden administration with the statement you just read. >> and have you or your colleagues heard anything from the heighthouse after the statement that you and your democratic colleagues have signed? >> we have not heard back yet. the reason we issued the statement is it is our reading of national memorandum number 20 that the biden administration has to make this determination of credibility and reliability by today, by the end of the day today. we wanted to make it very clear that if they proceeded on that time table, it would make a mockery of the entire national security memorandum number 20 if

they found those assurances to be credible at this time. >> it is hard not to feel a little cynical about how the white house will determine their credibility of the assurances from israel. it is not clear that israel can be trusted in this moment . on friday, you had the national security council john kirby jumping the gun saying antony blinken has already determined the informationroided was credible and reliable. he later had to walk back the remarks saying he misspoke and that blinken has not yet made a determination. what is the way the administration is handling this say to the concern that americans should have with the way weapons are being used in compliance with our own laws right now? >> i think we should be concerned. way back, it was john kirby who said we have no red lines when it comes to the netanyahu

government to israel's use of u.s. weapons in gaza which was an outrageous statement. fortunately, the biden administration has moved considerably since then but i was very surprised to learn of that kirby statement because just a short time before that, i spoke directly to secretary blinken while he was on his way home from israel where he assured me that they would take into consideration the concerns that i and the other senators had. so i was pleased, i have to say i was pleased to see that they then walked back the kirby comments. look, again, if the biden administration given everything we know about the restrictions that are being placed on humanitarian assistance that is leading to starvation and everything else that we are watching, if enthat moment, they find that the assurances

provided by the netanyahu government, that they are complying with international law and that they are facilitating and not restricting humanitarian aid, if we find they are credible, it would really undermine the credibility of the united states and the whole purpose of national security memorandum 20 which was to create an accountability structure so we could use our leverage to accomplish what the president says he wants to accomplish, such as get more assistance into starving people. >> let me ask you about the decision of congress to strip hundreds of millions from unrwa, the organization that distributes aid to gaza. you called the effort uncontionable. your reaction to the move to strip the funding while committing $3.3 billion for israel? >> well, you know this

combination obviously is troubling, especially getting rid of the one year prohibition on funding to unrwa. we should also have guard rails around the military assistance as we lay out a national security memorandum. this is one of those situations where republicans insisted on putting this unrwa provision into a bill that does a lot of good things. it funds education, healthcare, national institutes of health in america. they put this terrible provision in there for one year to cut off u.s. support for unrwa. i have spoken to the biden administration and they have assured me that we are going to do everything enour power to encourage other countries to continue to support unrwa and its important life saving work in gaza. if you will recall under the trump administration, they ended up eliminating u.s. funding for unrwa for years.

other countries were able to fill in during that period. so i hope that the biden administration will be true to its word and work with other countries to make that happen. i should say very troubling today, we just heard from the head of unrwa that the netanyahu government was blocking their ability to provide food and other aid into northern gaza where of course people have died of starvation and i do want to point out that unrwa has been a successful delivery system for food. it is the primary delivery system. our ambassador for humanitarian assistance, david sadderfield has said again and again that he has received no information from the netanyahu government, from the idf that food that was distributed by unrwa was

diverted to hamas, none. so there is no justification for this netanyahu government decision to deny unrwa's ability to take food into northern gaza right now. more people will die as a result. >> i appreciate you making the point about ambassador sadderfield. i want to ask you about the broader picture with the weapons, starvation, and imminent famine. your fellow congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez spoke on the house floor causing what is going on in gaza a genocide. i want to play that for you. take a listen. >> this is a mass starvation of people, engineered and orchestrated following the killing of another 30,000. 70% of whom were women and children killed. if you want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like,

open your eyes. >> i want to get your reaction to that. do you believe that we have crossed the threshold now with what is happening in gaza? >> i do not believe, at least i cannot demonstrate now that the netanyahu government has that kind of intention which is what would be required for that kind of determination. as i have said, the deliberate with holding and restrictions that have been placed on humanitarian assistance to people in gaza is a violation of international humanitarian law. but as to your particular question, i believe that that is a question that needs to be looked into in terms of intention and i'm not in any position to conclude that at this moment. i will say there are certain individuals in the government

that by their statements don't even believe there is an a palestine and they want them all out of gaza but i can't attribute that to the entire government at this time. that will have to be the subject of further exploration. that is not a conclusion i have reached. >> already, maryland senator kris van hollen, thank you for starting us off tonight. we appreciate your insights. after a break, double trouble for donald trump in new york. he is nervous and it is showing. with little time left to pay his bond or risk losing his beloved properties. or risk losing his belove properties e talking about cashbackin. we're not talking about practice? no. we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. not a game! we've been talking about practice for too long. -word. -no practice. we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. i mean, we're not talking about a game! cashback like a pro with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours.

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it is about time for trump to put his money where his mouth is barring last minute action from an appellate court, he has less than 24 hours to post a bond in his civil fraud case. his legal team said that obtaining the bond has been a practical impossibility, that is despite the self proclaimed billionaire's diligent efforts which includes approaching about 30 bond companies for the cash. and that truth appears to have struck a nerve with the boss. on friday, trump took to his knock off twitter site and claimed without evidence he had almost $500 million in cash on hand. in the morning, he will prove if that is true. monday is also when trump could receive a trail date in his hush money case as the twin threats

in the same day, in the same town crystalized two of his long held fears, a conviction and the fact that he doesn't have as much cash as he claimed. we have barbara kwan joining us and author of attack from within. great to have you both with us. trump has played a similar case in the e. jean carroll case and his attorneysploded for more time for a bond. trump was able to secure that before time ran out. what do you see happening tomorrow? or is this gainmanship on donald trump, the reality tv star? >> well, first of all, i finished attack from within and it is an absolute must read.

when i joined the republican party, we used to say character is destiny. that was true then and we kind of forgot it or i think we never really believed it. it was a marketing slogan. what is unfolding now is in many ways inevitable. it is a stage of what has happened in trump's life over and over again. when he first ran in 2016, there was an absurd speckical of him saying that his businesses had gone bankrupt but he had never gone bankrupt. and now the republican party has surrendered to donald trump. he can't come up with the money and he has taken over the rnc and it will be a large money laundering. and this is what you get when you turn the party over to donald trump. >> barbara, let's say trump can't post his bond by tomorrow morning.

what happens next? and how soon could we see the attorney general letitia james act? >> well, i will say thank you to stewart for reading and complimenting my book. with regards to your question, i think what we are likely to see is tomorrow and perhaps out of an abundance of caution, james will allow the day to expire and wait until midnight. i think what we are likely to see if donald trump is unable to come up with the bond money despite the proclamations that he has $500 million. i think what letitia will do is put security interests on the property. she is not going to take them and sell them off but she will secure them. that is so that donald trump himself can't dissipate the assets while the case is on appeal. that's the whole reason for the bond requirement so when the time comes to collect on the judgment, they are not gone. so i think she has a duty to the citizens of new york to protect those interests by putting security interests on them. i think that's what she will do

because that gives her an ownership interest. he can't sell them and if and when the case is over, she can chekt. >> someone close to the expresident told the washington post, he would rather have james show up with the sheriff at 40 wall street and make a stink out of it. bankruptcy doesn't play well for him but having her try to take the properties might. what do you make of the calculus that he would prefer the optics of having someone like letitia james come and he can cry foul and say he is being targeted and continue the griffe from small town donors. >> i don't know who said that in the campaign but they are right. that would play better. the essence of trump is he is a guy who has been very successful

and made all of this money. now when the republican party is bogue led by a guy from queens who can't make bail. that's the reality. of course they will try to make it into a persecution that these people who rearedly seem to be nonwhite all the time are after him. trump is the ultimate victim which is something in the republican party that we used accuse unfairly the democrat party of being victims. and you believe in personal responsibility and it used to be a great trait we said we believed in? it is all out the window. i don't think it plays well with most americans. >> barbara, bankruptcy may not be the smartest move here but what does it mean? could it get him out of the financial jam? what are the benefits or what are the drawbacks of such a bankruptcy declaration? >> i think he has declared bankruptcy six times for some of

his companies, mostly his casinos. he has been down this road before. it allows someone to get their debts discharged. a bankruptcy judge makes a decision and decides various debts can be paid for less than 100% on the dollar. many of his buildings are leveraged. he owes a lot of creditors on some of the things. those debts would all come down and he would have perhaps potentially enough money to be tiebl to secure this or put off the debt at the very least. as stewart says, it strikes me as probably an unrealistic expectation for someone who is running for president. i think he would probably prefer the idea that he is a victim and letitia james is after him than to declare bankruptcy and admit defeat. >> all right. i have a lot more to discuss

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in 2021, shortly after trump left the white house, his senior policy advisor steven miller formed an ultraconservative group called the american legal foundation. over the past three years, it has filed more than 100 complaints, lawsuits, and legal demands that are proudly and unabashedly aligned with maga ideology. it has filed complaints with the equal employment opportunity against woke corporations like nike, mattel, united airlines, and yes, the national football league, among others saying they discriminate against white men. it has filed lawsuits against school districts claiming they promote pro transgender and pro gay attitudes to students. it would be nice to tell you how successful their arguments are but we can't because the cases

are still pending. but winning in court is not how we should look at it. look at the efforts as a test drive of far right policies that trump could implement if voters give him a second term. if they do, it is all but assured trump will bring steven miller back to the white house in some capacity. stewart stevens and barbara mcquaid are back with me. stewart, i want to get you in first here and your take on the america first legal strategy if you will of what they are trying to do. what can you tell us about what they are doing with what kind of signal is it sending with those specific complaints and challenges they are trying to break forward? >> well, first, i think it says it all that america first legal is led by a guy who is not a lawyer but who has a b.a. in history. that is not your first choice of lawyers. this is really a culture war.

you know, i think republicans are on the losing sides of these culture wars. if i were in the democrat party, i would wake up trying to get in the culture wars. look at these. they are suing the nfl. the republican party versus the nfl. i will bet on the nfl. they like the eagles more than --. >> nfl is not a woke enterprise to be honest with you. >> they went after nike, over collin kaepernick. nike made $9 billion. it shows that the current republican party is sort of at war with the modern world. they don't like what is happening around us. but you know, i had a smart client in politics once who said bet on the future because it will happen anyway. that's what the republican party has forgotten. >> that's a smart quote. barbara, let's talk about the cases that america first legal is trying to pursue illegally. last month they sued the largest

public school district in arizona claiming they encouraged students to change their gender identification. that case and many others are again stillpeneding. tell us what is happening here from a legal perspective . do they have any grounds with these cases and the similar ones they are pursuing across the country? >> well, the ones they are pursuing seem to be based on false claims. for example this one the school refutes the allegations, that they are not encouraging kids to do anything. they are just making it a safe space for kids who want to transition. so it seems that part of the agenda here is controlling the political conversation, and driving a wedge through society and trying to frame issues as extreme so that main stream americans will think that the democrat party has an extreme agenda. it is another way of amplifying those claims. if you look at the news report you referenced about the america first legal rgs what it says is that the bulk of their budget

goes to advertising, marketing, and promotion as opposed to legal fees. it is really about using the courts as another avenue to amplify claims that have divided society, a place where you can go to get the courts to legitimize claims that the democrat party has a woke agenda. >> from a political operative, how do you approach this with steven miller and the america first legal fund, the cultural war issues, the rhetoric, the antidemocratic narrative that is being put forward by the republicans, how do you counter that politically when you have so many tentacles attacking the modern world we live in? >> any fight will not benefit by having steven miller as a front

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former supreme court justice stephen brier is opening up about the supreme court and abortion rights. his new book warns the majority's approach to uh-uh plying the law. he said the decision reversing roe v. wade was stunningly naive and left too many questions. he spoke to kristen welker earlier on meet the press. >> they think it will be simpler to leave it up tothe states. we don't think it will be simpler. we think there will be a lot more cases coming up. what's going to happen when a woman's life is at stake and she

needs the abortion? do you think if a state forbids that that, it won't come to the court? >> and a report focused on one state, louisiana, home to some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country at the moment, describes several cases of preterm, premature ruptures of membranes which is when a woman's water breaks before a fetus is viable. normally these cases require an abortion. but in post roe, louisiana, women undergo a c-section which is a major surgery and carries more risk including increased risk of hemorrhaging and compromising future fertility. one doctor in the report calls the approach absolutely ludicrous and the least safe

thing that could be done in this situation. another doctor who coauthored the report said it is being done for one reason and one reason alone, to preserve the appearance of not doing an abortion. the report shows a grim reality facing louisiana's ob/gyns, they are delaying prenatal care until they reach 12 weeks of pregnancy, the point at where the risk of miscarriage drops significantly. one patient had several doctors decline to see her before she reached 12 weeks. she said one office told her, it was to eleminate some of the spontaneous abortions that may happen up until the 12 week mark. delaying pregnancy care until the second trimester is highly dangerous. without diagnosis s and troement, many pregnancy related problems can load to birth defects, stroke, heart attack, even death.

woe should mention that the actual goal for the antiabortion moufbment is not leading to fewer abortions as they want you to believe. new research shows 10% more abortions between 2022 and 2023 have happened. medical abortion is more common than ever, a life line in post roe america. but it is now at risk too. this friday, the supreme court will hear arguments in a case that challenges the fda's approval of the most commonly abortion pill called mifepristone. it could restrict access to it even in states that do not restrict reproductive care. when the high court dropped the dobbs decision, the results we have now were predicted. they were spot on. what happens now if the court restricts mifepristone? a coauthor of the report joins me next to tell us. joins me next to tell us

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before the break, we told you what has happened since roe v. wade was overturned and we must focus now on what happens if the supreme court takes action against mifepristone. on tuesday, justices will hear oral arguments in a case against the most commonly used medication used in the country. barbara mcquaid is here and a medical director, a coauthor behind the report is also here with us. doctor hesler, great to have you with us. let's talk about what you saw in the report in putting the report together and the threat that women are facing in the country and the jeopardy facing women in this country, not just since the overturning of roe v. wade but in the weeks and months ahead with possibly the banning of mifepristone through stripping the fda. >> absolutely. when we set out to do the report

you mentioned, we wanted to talk to as many obstetricians, gynecologists, family medical doctors, and patients. we really wanted to find out what is happening with pregnancy care. we weren't even focusing on abortion care per se. we wanted to say, since the new abortion laws in louisiana, how if at all has your care for pregnant patients been affected. and i will say that we were and i said that in the mpr piece, we were stunned by how much regular pregnancy care has been disrupted. you talked about two of the -- i think people have given attention to that because that is newer. we have heard a lot about the denial and delay of care. i don't think we have been aware that even regular prenatal care, physicians are pushing it back to the second trimester because they don't want to -- as you

know, spontaneous miscarriages are most likely, one out of four pregnancies in the first trimester will end in a spontaneous miscarriage. so physicians are not wanting to give the appearance of doing an abortion if they have to provide miscarriage care. >> is that out of fear because the ambiguity of the laws around the state and what constitutes an abortion or what is the motivation behind wanting to delay the care? >> absolutely, it's fear. it is hard to exagerate the climate of fear and intimidation that physicians are facing. the attorney general and now governor wrote a letter to the luce state government saying we are out to get you as clinicians said. there is a target on your back if we catch you do any kind of illegal abortion. so miscarriage care is the same

procedures. you may give medications like mifepristone. you may do a dilation. the treatment of miscarriage to remove the fetal tissue is the same. so it is very scary to physicians to say i don't want there to be any doubt that if i'm providing miscarriage care that it could be considered abortion. >> to be clear, your report concludes this is a violation of international human rights? >> yes, it is a violation of international human rights. the united states has signed and ratified a number of covenants for civil and political rights saying we will respect the right to life. we will respect the right to health. we will respect the right to have dignity and atonomy, the right to information. and what we are finding, even in the case where as we report in this and as we found in the study of interviews with 30

clinicians, we are finding severe mental distress. physicians feel they can't provide life saving care until it is irrefutable that the woman's life is at risk. we talk to clinicians who talked to women with severe fetal anomalies that didn't quite meet the criteria of medical futile anomalies, women with severe medical conditions but were they about to do? one woman had soer cardiac conditions and they had to give more and more cardiac medications before they could offer the possibility. there is also federal guidance. there is emergency medicine treatment and labor act which really should say if you are a

pregnant patient and you go to an emergency room and say you have eclampsia, there are certain pregnancy induced conditions, and unfortunately, these are often wanted pregnancy, and unfortunately, the only treatment is to remove all of the material of the fetus. so in those cases, not only the case that we mentioned where the woman was given no choice and given a c-section, we were also seeing cases where they were left until they are septic and that is terrifying. some international human rights law said that could constitute torture. >> you bring up that point and i wanted to ask barbara about the chilling effect of doctors debating fears of criminal liability outweigh the

hippocratic oath. where is that line? >> that's why we are seeing the results of this. it is having a chilling effect as many people predicted it would for all of the reasons we are hearing. i think for doctors who are rightly concerned that they could be prosecuted for performing healthcare, they could find themselves on the wrong end of the charges. >> let's talk about the case that the court will be hearing involving mifepristone and what will be at stake. what is the question that they will decide? >> it is whether the fda's decision when it said that mifepristone can be prescribed by mail to patients exceeded the authority it was granted. it is an extraordinary question because the fda are the experts in food and drugs. instead we have a court substituting its own judgment to

say they have exceeded their authority in doing this. the other thing that is extraordinary about this case is two courts so far, the district court and the intermediate court of appeals found standing with a group of doctors who say on some day, i may be on call and someone may take mispristine and as a result, it may get botched and not work effectively and i will have to perform an abortion against my own religious beliefs. the idea that creates standing is a real stretch, for the statute that is actual harm. two courts have allowed this and indulged the theory. we will see if the supreme court does the same. >> dr. hesler, what do you fear happens the most for the reproductive rights in this country if the court rules against mifepristone? >> i will say as a physician, it is scary to think that a safe, effective medication that the

fda approved in 2000, earlier than stattens for heart conditions, certainly much earlier than ozempic and some of the other medications for diabetes. i think it is a scare precedence. there are few medications that have been studied over 100 studies. they carefully monitored it. i will say in general as a physician, it is scary to think that politics can interfere with safe, effective medications. in terms of the state of reproduct health, it is certainly true in states like michigan where i practice medicine, medication abortion is the most common in the first trimester. it is much more common than the surgical procedures. it is very safe. it is effective. i think it is concerning to see what will happen. >> barbara, you probably saw

former justice stephen brieer told my colleague that he sees a scenario where in fact the high court could overrule dobbs. do you agree? how could that scenario play out in the future with the court's composition changing or another case making it to the supreme court where the dobbs decision can be reversed or overturned? >> yeah, i don't see it happening any time soon. this court it seems, some of the justices have made this their mission as justice alito wrote in the dobbs opinion, he thought that roe was egregiously wrong when it was decided and today. the standard is whether the facts and law have changed, whether people have relied on the rule in every day lives and whether it has developed in a way that is inconsistent with precedent, that's what they are supposed tolook at and not if they disagree with the opinion. it is hard to imagine unless we see several new justices land on

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