good to be with you. it is 10:00 a.m. here in new york. it's katy tur in for ana cabrera. we start with what's happening right now. donald trump just got to 100 center street. you see him right there. the new york criminal courthouse in downtown manhattan. inside he's facing manhattan

d.a. alvin bragg and accusations of election interference, by paying off a porn star in the lead-up to the 2016 election. the trial was supposed to start today. instead trump is trying to get this case delayed another 90 days or thrown out altogether. what might judge merchan rule. trump is also facing a major legal bill that is due today, $450 million and counting in the civil fraud judgment from last month. will he post the bond today, or will a.g. letitia james start seizing assets. let's get right to msnbc's yasmin vossoughian outside the criminal courthouse for us. onset legal analyst charles coleman along with caroline pulisi. what should we expect today, yasmin? >> he's not in the courtroom

just yet. i got my eye on the monitor outside that courtroom along with -- on our google document where our producer is kind of talking us through what's happening inside the courtroom. he's not inside the courtroom just yet. two big questions need to be answered. first and foremost, the trial date. right now it's tentatively set for april 15,th, what it was delayed to originally. they could take into consideration the arguments made by both the prosecuting attorneys and trump's attorneys and wait a couple days for that decision to come through. and then it is the question of why it did so long to hand over documents, this drove of documents to trump's attorneys, 170,000 documents. trump's attorneys are saying this should be dropped altogether because it took so long for these documents to get to us. d.a. bragg is saying only 300

pages or so of these documents even pertain to the hush money case. that is the argument they're going to be making today throughout the hearing this morning. we're going to be hearing more on that. two more things i want to highlight for folks. the expectation of four to six weeks as to how long this trial will actually go on for when it does get up and going. the star witness will be michael cohen and we now know stormy daniels who met with the d.a.'s office last week will also be testifying. >> we have donald trump going into the courthouse. the hearing has not yet started. let's talk about what we're expecting. charles, this was a delay that yasmin just mentioned that the d.a. agreed to. he said 30-day delay. the trump team wanted a 90-day delay. it was supposed to start today. this hearing -- donald trump is going to be arguing for it to get thrown out. what do you expect judge merchan

to do? >> i don't expect judge merchan will throw it out. i understand trump's frustration. to get it dismissed i don't think is going to happen. i think alvin bragg and his office understands the sdny, department of justice put his office in a very difficult position by giving this document dump so late in the process as they did. the judge, in terms of granting the delay this far, but i don't expect a dismissal. >> can you expect the sdny aspect of this? i'm so confused by it. i'm hearing differing accounts. i don't understand what the documents are. can you lay it out in plain language? >> sure. in new york state we have what's called open file discovery which means that, if you are a defense attorney you're entitled to pretty much any and every document for the most part that relates or pertains to the case or an investigation connected to the case. it also requires that

prosecutor's offices endeavor to make efforts to get whatever documents they can have other offices that are in proximity to allow them to get relevant information. even if alvin bragg, for exam, didn't have the documents but he knows the sdny, southern district of new york and the department of justice actually did con dukt an investigation and may have paperwork that's relevant and connected to this case, he has to make his best efforts to get those documents and turn them over. we don't know when alvin bragg made the request, but we can assume it was much earlier than the documents that were delivered. basically the department of justice operate on their own accord, they don't have to coordinate with local prosecutors to get them information. it can be very frustrating as alvin bragg's office is likely frustrated now. these are a vol num mouse amount of documents. we're talking about literally tens of thousands of documents have been turned over from the sdny's investigation into this

very same thing, things involving michael cohen, involving other witness, all of the above. all the parties have to sift through it. >> not to get too much in the weeds here, but the d.a. has said there's only about 300 documents that are relevant. if you're arguing on trump's side in front of judge merchan, what are you saying? >> as a defense attorney i gravitate towards those arguments. i'm saying, well, i don't want to take the government's word for it. >> i have to look at each document myself. >> of course, of course. in the discovery process there often are massive amounts of duplicative information. however, this defense team is going to want to cross their ts and dot their is. the key statutory language that charles is referring to within your possession, custody or control. trump's team is making this argument a step farther. they're actually saying potentially sdny and the d.a.'s office are in cahoots which is actually laughable if you know

anything about the relationship. >> is there bad blood? >> there is bad blood. they're known as the sovereign district for a reason. they don't play well in the sand box. alvin bragg did go into the diligence with which he pursued the information. this is the sdny's issue. it seems they had a change of heart on how they'll respond to a third party subpoena. it seems like they messed up there giving more information sort of on the second round when trump's team asked for it as opposed to the first go-around. alvin bragg is in the same position as trump which i think is why he consented to the 30-day adjournment. i think ultimately this is going to end up being a blip on the radar screen. i don't think we'll get the trial date pushed out much past april 18th.

there are a lot of dobbs to go over. it's an issue -- the d.a. said 30 days, maybe it will be 60 or 45. so the hearing has begun. judge merchan is there. everybody is seated. he says it's a good idea for us to get started by going over the veents that bring us here today and why we're here today. so they're going over the documents. >> they're going over procedurally what's happened and basically why these documents got turned over as late as they did. for all intents and purposes, even though it's not alvin bragg's fault, he's going to be the one to eat that. there's a statutory requirement for cases to move forward as quickly as it can. each of us has a due process right to speedy trial. unfortunately alvin bragg can't push the gas as much as he would like as you want to do because it's basically the prosecution's fault, the people's sfault that

these to bements weren't turned over to the defense. >> they're arguing a discovery violation. they're trying to get both cohen's testimony, michael cohen's testimony and stormy daniels' testimony precluded from this trial. that would be major. that would basically sink everything if they were able to do that, right? >> it would. the judge has already ruled on this in terms of motions in limine. there have been motions submitted as to who can testify to what. the judge has already ruled on that. i don't see them going back for any new reason. >> let us set up what we're actually talking about, the heart of the case. this is a hush money case made to stormy daniels in the lead-up to the 2016 election. there was an access hood where donald trump talked about grabbing women by their private parts. it was a storm, not to do a pun here, a storm around the campaign, and there were a lot of republicans who were backing

away quite forcefully from donald trump. mike lee from utah crying in a selfie video that he posted saying he could never support somebody like this. it looked like the campaign was over. in and around this time there was the stormy daniels stuff and her talking potentially about an affair she had with donald trump. so michael cohen paid her money. michael cohen then later said after events unfolded as they did that donald trump told him to make that payment and that donald trump would pay him back. there was a payment made back to michael cohen after donald trump took office. the interesting thing i find about this upcoming trial, whenever it does get set is the access hood tape isn't going to be admitted into evidence. why is that? >> so interesting. judge merchan is playing it right down the middle. i think it was a wise choice on his part. he ruled it can't come in audio or visually, however they can talk about it on the stand.

in trials like this, the ultimate question is probative versus prejudicial. he ruled that type of inflammatory language was more prejudicial than probative, meaning it's overly inflammatory. you can elicit the bare facts of it without actually playing the tape for the jurors would could poison their minds against the defendant unreasonably and not just taking it as sort of face value. i think what's interesting here is you laid the facts out so beautifully there. that tape goes to the question of -- >> motivation. >> motivation. hush money in and of itself is not illegal. catch and kill is not illegal. the d.a.'s theory of this case here is misidentification of funds on business records for the purpose of violating federal election law or new york state election law in the sort of disguise of hiding this money

because of the "access hollywood" tape. >> is it election interference? >> that's the point. i don't know that donald trump is as afraid of fighting this case as he is fulton county in georgia, another election interference case or fighting jack smith in d.c. the reason why is this is a legal theory that requires hurdles to get through. if you recall, alvin bragg looked at this investigation once before and decided he didn't want to pursue it. what changed in the interim period we didn't know. it's important to acknowledge that even as alvin bragg is moving forward and doing his job as a prosecutor, this is a relatively complicated legal theory and the longer and more difficult and more complicated theories are to explain to juries, the more likely you can end up with an acquittal. >> how do you get to the felony. >> because of the election interference. >> is there murkiness here, something they can appeal on? >> not an appeal necessarily.

again, it's a question of, if you're thinking strategically as a prosecutor, have you overcharged in a way that will come back to bite you. that theory, you're trying to get to the purposes of the election interference, that's where i think there's vulnerability for alvin bragg. >> the hearing is ongoing. we're watching it. don't go anywhere. we have another big case to talk about. that is the nearly half a billion dollar bond that donald trump owes today. is he going to pay it? or will a.j. letitia james start seizing assets. don't go anywhere. we're back in 60 seconds. nywher. we're back in 60 seconds me has , his risk of a second attack hasn't. mike is still living in the re. with a very high risk of another heart attack or stroke. he doesn't know with his risk factors his ldl-c (bad cholesterol) is still too high - the recommended level is below 55. are you living in the red? get in the know. learn how to get a free ldl-c test

at whatismyldl.com. it is not just hush money and d.a. alvin bragg, donald trump has another massive legal headache today, the $450 million and counting civil fraud judgment is due today. he said he can't find the money. what will happen? let's bring in nbc news investigative correspondent tom

winter. the legal team has said they've got to 30 sureties, bond companies and tried to get this bond in, but they've laughed in their face, they can't do it. what's up? >> a couple of things. i'm looking on my screen up here, i pulled up 40 wall street to see if there's been any leans or filings on the property. there are not. i checked the docket from the a.g.'s case, nothing there yet either. we're looking at the 40 wall street property right now. if you're also looking at that 40 wall street property, you'll notice on the left-hand side of that picture, katy, no longer a sign for dwayne reid. this underscores the problem donald trump is having, there's no anchor tenant in that building. a lot of his holdings are in new york city and it's difficult for the older buildings to find

tenants. there isn't a lot of activity in buildings that aren't class a. to translate that, the brand new glistening glass skyscrapers going up around town, those are the ones that are tending to get the tenants in them. that's not necessarily, even though the 40 wall street address is very desirable. it's a building that's got a lot of history to it, those buildings aren't really at the top of what people are looking for right now. we're looking at the totality of the potential properties that are there. so the question is what will the attorney general's office do if donald trump, in fact, does not get the bond. looking at history here, it might be instructive. katy, back in 2015 we looked at donald trump's business bankruptcies. there are six of them. a lot of people think it was just early in the 1990s. it is not. the latest was actually in 2009 tied to an atlantic city property. when we look at donald trump's history and i've gone over

hundreds of pages of documents tied to his financials, businesses associated with his business bankruptcies. typically he says do you want two-thirds of a loaf or half a loaf or do you want nothing? that's typically how he goes. the question is going to be here for the attorney general's office, what do they do if donald trump says i'm not going to do anything. you're going to have to figure it out. the alternative of a fire sale or putting leans on these properties is not ideal for the attorney general's office. the first person to get paid here is the bank or the debt holder. that's what donald trump has on a lot of these properties. this is going to be a challenging situation for the attorney general's office going forward. >> i want to linger on that for a moment. the picture on the screen is donald trump in the courtroom right now on the hush money case, blue suit, red tight. we'll let you know if he speaks up during this hearing and what happens in general.

let's stick to the bond stuff for a second. what does a.g. letitia james do? >> tom is accurate in that the attorney general in the state of new york is in a difficult position in terms of the choices she has to make. if donald trump does not come up with this money and she has to make a decision around which of the assets she goes after, she's employing a very particular type of calculus because, number one, you don't know what these properties are actually worth. >> don't know what the mortgages are. >> don't know what the mortgages are, what the debts are. you're now engaging in an entirely different level of calculation that you do not do. you're an attorney general, which means you prosecute civil cases for wrongdoing in the state of new york. you uphold the law. you're not in the real estate business. not just that. there's the evaluation, appraisal and everything else. also the liquidation, you don't

sell property if you're the attorney general. keep in mind that on some level, at least while you're figuring these things out, you have to make sure these properties remain profitable. so that's actually running a business. you don't want to get involved in that. letitia james has a lot of decisions to make. it's going to be very interesting, if he doesn't pay the bond immediately, what she chooses to go after. >> how the trump team is playing this is entering, at least publicly. they've said they can't find the money. you have his son eric saying bond companies laughed in his face, nobody posts bonds like this, even though we've heard that that's fairly common in that world, high profile, high stakes. donald trump has been politically trying to fundraise off this. i've gotten multiple messages saying letitia james has to keep her dirty hands off trump tower. they're using that.

is that is a strategy of the legal team as well? >> our friend chuck rosenberg said earlier that, although tish james has the power, she may want to think twice before going after something today. this is ultimately going to come down to papering this issue. we're not going to see armed guards storming any buildings. it's going to be done through paper. i think she may do well to wait for the appellate court to rule on this issue, whether it's tuesday, thursday, some time down the road. she has all the time in the world to go after these assets. on the bond issue, i think the recent sale of truth social and those types of issue will be leveraged. i think likely trump will find a way to cobble together the money. i don't think he's going to file for bankruptcy. >> we'll see. he's potentially made a couple

billion off the sale of truth social or it going public to you. tom, another thing on the sdny. what can you tell us. >> first off, katy, we're understanding from court, our colleague adam reiss in the courtroom saying last night apparently just before midnight federal prosecutors and the defense for trump spoke as it's tied to additional documents that they might get. these pertain to stephanie clifford, a slrk/a stormy daniels. i want folks to understand the timeline of this. charles laid it out perfectly as to the type of discovery that donald trump will be entitled to. at the time those discovery requests were made from the manhattan d.a.'s office to federal prosecutors, they requested a certain amount of items they believe should go to trump, and it was under their responsibility as far as information to share with him. subsequently there were requests made by todd blanche, the person

wearing the light blue tie next to former president trump related to additional documents. they filed subpoenas to get those documents from the u.s. attorney's office, and the u.s. attorney's office received some documents after the manhattan d.a.'s request. that encompasses a significant portion that the manhattan d.a.'s office says is relevant to the case. it's not a situation where the u.s. attorney's office denied the information that they later gave to trump. it's just a matter of the timing of when these requests came in and the fact that some of those requests from trump occurred in january of this year versus when the manhattan d.a.'s office was doing what they believe is the right thing, tackling this over a year ago, katy. it's a little bit nuanced, not necessarily somebody's fault or not somebody's fault. as far as the relationships between the office, d.a. bragg is good friends with u.s. attorney damian williams.

they're very good friends. it's not that there's a deep animosity here. i think it's fair to say federal prosecutors in new york helping out the former president would be a bit of a mischaracterization, katy. >> let me give a little context about what you just mentioned at the top of that. there are potentially more documents coming from the southern district. judge merchan in his reply to todd blanche said, i appreciate you bringing that to my attention but i don't think it's related to this hearing. >> which is code for as far as me determining whether or not i decide if this case continues and as far as any trial delay, what todd blanche said is not material to that. i think that's what the judge was tackling there. >> tom winter, thank you very much. charles and caroline, don't go anywhere. we're watching both these cases. next, moscow says it has the alleged terrorists who opened fire on the concert hall on friday killing 137 people.

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back to our top story. donald trump is in a manhattan criminal courtroom right now. joining us from outside the courthouse is nbc's vaughn hillyard. also back with me charles coleman and caroline polisi. vaughn, we're getting updates from our team inside the courthouse right now. what i'm seeing is todd blanche, donald trump's attorney, is trying to argue these sdny documents with testimony from michael cohen, there's so many of them that they're going to need an extended delay on this. according to laura jarrett who is inside that courtroom, judge merchan is basically saying i don't think so. >> reporter: right. is skeptical. merchan, the judge, is questioning donald trump's attorney, todd blanche, on just how many documents they have received from the sdny federal prosecutors that they deem

relevant enough to they need to go through. judge merchan said, is that 2,000, 20,000? we're talking about 200,000 pages of material. the prosecutors for district attorney alvin bragg say just 300 of the 200,000 payables are actually relevant to today's hearing in terms of michael cohen as a witness in the alleged hush money payment scheme. but what the attorneys for donald trump are contending is that they have only had seven days to go through these troves of documents, thousands of pages that include more than 4,000 emails as well as bank records and that the judge should not simply take the word of district attorney alvin brag on which pages are relevant to this case, but instead should give them the appropriate time to go through. that's where that back and forth is currently taking place. you saw judge merchan clearly irked by trump's attorneys' inability to say how long they

need to go through the documents. he's already delayed the trial through april 15th as it stands now. of course, trump's team hopes to delay this even further which has been their goal all along. that's what we expect to continue to play out. donald trump is inside the room watching all this unfold between his attorney, district attorney alvin bragg as well as the judge, katy. >> all right. given what we're hearing from vaughn, what it seems like is happening inside this courthouse, merchan is saying give me a number. tell me how much time you need, how many documents you need to go over. it's interesting that blanche is struggling on that? >> he's likely struggling because merchan cut to the chase. he asked for the case to be dismissed because of this discovery abuse. so he likely doesn't want to make a statement of a definitive amount of time. a little inside baseball, it's not as if trump's team received hundreds of thousands of pages as paper. as charles well know, there's a

cottage industry of discovery software, they received flash drives, they can do word searchs. it's not as though they have to literally read every word on every page. merchan is trying to nail them down saying exactly how much time is it going to take just to root out the relevant documents and then go over those. it's not that big of a task. >> you also don't want to bid against yourself in as much as you don't want to set a number and think, if i got that number or close to it, i should have gone higher. >> they want to hear an offer. >> then you want to argue against that and try to negotiate. the judge says 60 days? i thought you were going to ask for 120. sure, no problem. then you think, wow, i just have waited. games manship to figure out how much can we get and high do we

want to go without offending the court to the point that they give us nothing. >> hopefully at the end of today judge merchan or even close to today will have a trial date set and we can start planning accordingly. it was supposed to be today. they were supposed to start jury selection as we speak. on the subject of jury selection, how long is that going to take? >> a while. >> what's a while? >> katy, a case like this is literally unprecedented. you're talking about a former president of the united states. >> there's e. jean carroll, there was a jury set for that. >> sure, but this is a criminal trial. how people use their preemptive challenges in terms of what information people know or don't know about the case or know or don't know about the president, former president, is going to be used to try to strike people. i think this could easily take over two weeks just to get a jury. >> jury selection is a cottage industry as well. they've likely done mock trials at this point. they have a very high-profile

jury consultant which is a thing. you try to get into the minds -- >> basically trying to profile each juror. >> stereotypes and things of that nature. there are peremptory challenges and challenges for no cause that you can make. it's a real game. >> who is the ideal juror for donald trump in manhattan? >> i think the better question is who is the ideal juror for alvin bragg. >> okay. >> you want someone in a case like this, probably not someone who makes a ton of money. you want someone who is probably going to be male, because men convict. we know this. these are statistics. >> even though this is about hush money payment to a foreign star while he was married. >> overall men have a higher rate of conviction than women do in terms of -- this is just jury

statistics. >> you're going to get canceled for that. >> i know. this is the whole thing. i'm speaking as a former prosecutor. i think -- let me back up for a moment and say this. every attorney has a sense of not only who the jury is for their case but who their jury is as well. individually you understand who you appeal to. >> are they going to have a hard time going back to the root of this case, the heart of this case, explaining the the jury and the jurors that this is a bigger deal than a guy who had an affair and was trying to pay her off to keep quiet. this is actually about the 2016 election. is that going to be a hard jump to make? >> it is. it's going to be a very difficult one. you have to show intent, which is not necessarily the most challenging thing they have. you have all these different themes you have to tie together to create one narrative. i think that's going to be more challenge for jurors to follow

than people think, particularly for them to arrive at the conclusion that all of this was done to influence the actual election. that's going to be a hurdle. >> not just a document issue, an issue of trying to enlighten the american public. >> alvin bragg has made a concerted effort, he has said point-blank this isn't a sex for money case. this is about election interference. for better or for rs would, this is the first criminal trial we'll see of former president trump. he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders. he's talking about it in a much more elevated manner than previously. >> the variable isn't only what's going to happen in this trial and how the jury might decide, the variable is how will it play out politically. we're in an election year. the stakes are higher than if donald trump goes to prison. the stakes are who voters trust come november.

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. mike johnson has only been speaker of the house for six months. now he might not make it to seven. marjorie taylor greene filed a motion to vacate him from the job after he brought a budget deal to the floor. she says she has others on board with a vote whenever she decides to bring it up. no one has gone on the record of vacating, more than 100 gop lawmakers in the house voted against the budget deal. with an earlier than expected gop retirement, greene might only need one republican to vote with her to oust johnson. how are things looking? joining us capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles and former press secretary to john boehner and paul ryan, brendan buck. this presumes all the democrats vote against keeping speaker mike johnson, a one-vote margin, ryan, is insanely small. >> reporter: yeah, it is, and it's one of these weird things in this 118th version of congress that seems completely

polarizing and how is it possible that both can be true, but both are true. on the one hand, i can tell you with a bit of certainty that the vast majority of members of the house of representatives, both republican and democrat have no appetite for going through another dramatic removal of the speaker of the house. and at the same time, i can tell you that it doesn't matter that the vast majority of them are not in favor of that because it only takes a handful of conservative republicans to start this process from happening, and i think the big question right now is whether or not marjorie taylor greene can find two or three other conservative republicans to join her in this fight. right now i don't think those two or three other republicans exist, not at the moment, but that could change if he puts ukraine aid on the floor. the other end of it is, are democrats sick and tired of this chaos, and do a small handful of democrats emerge to become somewhat of a savior for mike

johnson and save his speakership, at least in the short-term to prevent this process from playing out. those are all open questions of which we don't have the answers to yet, and all of them remain distinct possibilities. >> explain putting ukraine aid to the floor, explain the discomfort with that among the house gop and why that might mean that this sort of dam cleez marjorie taylor greene has over mike john could fall. >> reporter: there is a relatively small cadre of conservative republicans who are opposed to any sort of ukraine funding, under any circumstances. they believe that the united states government's already sent too much money to ukraine and they're not interested in even a penny more, and for some of them, it's been a red line. they've said to mike johnson, if you put ukraine aid on the floor, then i'm going to vote to vacate you. marjorie taylor greene the leader of that group. what johnson is attempting to find is some sort of sweet spot where he can put the ukraine aid

on the floor and do it in a way that conservative republicans don't revolt. they're floating the idea of making it a loan package. it's not clear democrats will support that, but ukraine is definitely kind of the turning point right now and the way that we're waiting to see how that future.ut in terms of johnson's >> so the democraticage l on -- angle on this is really interesting. we were talking about this with speaker mccarthy, indicates obviously did not come to his aid. marjorie taylor greene said that would be bad for him. would it? >> yeah, it would. if you're the speaker of the house, you never want to have your power from the minority. i can just tell you every time he has to walk into one of those conference meetings and they look at him and say you're only speaker because democrats voted you there, they will use that against him every time. but that may well be where we end up. i mean, the situation is such now that conservative republicans have blocked most things that speaker johnson

wants to do anyway, and he's had to rely on democrats to govern for the last six months. he just passed two big spending bills and needed democrats to carry it over the finish line. that might be the reality we're dealing with and they very well may save him. it's difficult to see democrats voting with marjorie taylor greene to remove johnson if the precipitaing act is bringing up ukraine aid that they want him to bring up. so i think he's in significant trouble, but he may not yet be in mccarthy level trouble. it's never a good place to be if you're the speaker of the house and you hold your power because of the minority. >> there's a large church of folks in the middle in congress who are more deal makers than not. am i wrong about that, or is congress now so segregated and so partisan that there are -- that nobody wants to work together, brendan? >> i mean, we just saw a big bipartisan vote to fund the government. that stuff is still possible, and it still happens, but as ryan laid out very clearly, when

we're talking about motion to vacate, i think this is the original sin of this congress, allowing the rule where only one member can try to take out the speaker is the situation we're dealing with. it would be incredibly helpful for the house of representatives, if democrats voted down this motion to vacate and took away this weapon from marjorie taylor greene. if once and for all both sides said we're just not going to let this be a thing where a few people can take out the speaker of the house and completely bring everything to its knees. i don't know if they're willing to do that. there will be a lot of pressure on democrats to say, hey, this isn't our problem. the more republicans are twisting in the wind, that's good for us. but if we could just put to rest this tool that's been used against speakers going back to john boehner, i think the house would govern in a more effective way and those people in the middle would be able to stand up and do things without feeling like they're taking out the speaker. >> it would add a little bit of credibility to congress in an

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