. it's good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, new accusations after that deadly strike on aid workers in gaza. what we're now hearing from world central kitchen including the emotional comments from its founder, chef jose andres.

the powerful storms moving east after battling multiple states from tornadoes to smashed homes and cars, winds so strong a student was literally blown off his feet. wow. it's a race against time in taiwan. the scenes of devastation after a major earthquake knocked buildings right off of their foundations. trapping people inside. and could the state of nebraska cost joe biden the election. it's not even a battleground state. why republicans are pushing for a big change that could make the path to 270 a lot harder for biden. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start with the world central kitchen, revealing new details about an incident that happened two days before seven aid workers were killed in an air strike. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from tel aviv. tell us about this new accusation, raf. >> reporter: chris, that deadly air strike happening on monday night, but world central kitchen

telling us that on saturday, they believe an israeli sniper opened fire on one of their humanitarian vehicles in southern gaza. they say nobody was hurt in that incident. a bullet apparently hitting a wing mirror, but that they did file a complaint with the israeli military. we've asked the idf about that. they haven't come back to us. but if true, this would really raise new questions about the care that israel's military says that it's taking to make sure that aid workers, that other civilians in gaza are safe. the u.n. says monday's killing, not an isolated incident. around 200 humanitarians have been killed in gaza since the start of the war. the vast majority of them palestinians, their deaths not getting the same kind of attention as these world central kitchen workers. we are hearing today from the founder of that organization, chef jose andres.

he just appeared on television in israel growing very emotional talking about the deaths of his colleagues, and he touched on a lot of the same points that he mentioned in an op-ed in the "new york times" this morning. i want to read you, chris, just a little bit of what he says. he begins, israelis in their hearts know that food is not a weapon of war. israel is better than the way this war is being waged. it is better than blocking food and medicine to civilians. it is better than killing aid workers who had coordinated their movements with the israel defense forces. the israeli government needs to open more land routes for food and medicine today. it needs to stop killing civilians and aide workers today. it needs to start the long journey to peace today. now, andres also saying that he hopes the israeli military investigation into this killing will be fair and it will be thorough. israel's military says its preliminary findings indicate

that this was a case of misidentification that israeli forces mistook this aid convoy for something that could threaten them. this was three separate strikes, chris, happening over a mile and a half stretch of coastal road, along the mediterranean, and there are a lot of questions from world central kitchen, from the white house, from the families of those seven killed aid workers, and absolute top of the list is how is it that israeli forces open fire on the convoy when world central kitchen says that it coordinated its movements with the idf ahead of time. that is not a question that we yet have an answer to, chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you. now to the spring storms that brought reports of at least 12 tornadoes across multiple states. nbc's maggie vespa is reporting from kentucky for us. maggie. >> reporter: kentucky's governor this afternoon in a news conference deeming this latest

round of severe storms now fatal in his state, saying yesterday afternoon during the first line of storms, he says a young man who he declined to name was killed in a car accident that was at least in part due to the weather. he said it happened in campbell county about an hour northeast of where we are in the louisville area, and he said he's offering his prayers to that victim's family. in the meantime, you can see the strength of the storms in kentucky, to wisconsin, to west virginia, that home a metaphor for the strength. it was torn to pieces, especially the front corner, from what we can tell, and i'll walk as you can see other homes that were damaged. that chunk of the home tossed on to the lawn of the house across the street from it. you can see crews here across the neighborhood, already setting up trying to clean up as much as they can, tarp homes quickly. it's been raining throughout the afternoon. hundreds of thousands of people across six states in the u.s., including tens of thousands here in kentucky, still without power, heading into the afternoon, which speaks to the work that crews have ahead of them. thankfully in the other states,

we have only had reports of minor injuries, no major injuries, no deaths, but kentucky's governor in the news conference also saying now based on reports they are seeing, they believe as many as seven tornadoes touched down in his state, and this storm system now has been deemed fatal. >> maggie vespa, thank you. we are seeing jaw dropping images from a deadly earthquake in taiwan that injured hundreds of people. nbc's meagan fitzgerald is covering this for us. these images are heartbreaking. what can you tell us about what's happening there? >> reporter: you're right. absolutely extraordinary. images of buildings partially collapsed and teetering on the edge next to other buildings. the search and rescue effort has been underway now for hours. we know that first responders are working as quickly as they can to try and save as many people as they can. new numbers coming in. taiwan's national fire agency says more than 140 people are

trapped, most are tourists or in hotels. then of course they say of that number, 71 people are trapped in mines in the hardest hit coastal city of hualien. fire departments in various counties and cities have dispatched resources to try and help, including search and rescue dogs in support of what's happening in hualien county. all of this as officials say more earthquakes are possible. important to note, this is an earthquake prone region, and taiwan's readiness is pretty advanced. they have strict building codes in place. there's routine drills they have in schools. this country was as prepared as they could be. chris. >> meagan fitzgerald, thank you. there will be plenty of battlegrounds to watch on election night. chances are you didn't have nebraska on your bingo card at least until now. the state's republican governor is trying to reinstate a winner take all electoral system that could deny joe biden a critical electoral vote and potentially even cost him the election.

here to explain, nbc senior national politics reporter jonathan allen. jonathan, usually winning or losing the election in nebraska are not in the same sentence, but we do know 270 is the magic number. explain what's happening here. >> that's a great question, chris. it can feel very abstract. let me explain it in these terms. in the last election, joe biden won by about 70 plus electoral votes, 74 electoral votes, but if you had flipped georgia, arizona, and wisconsin, he and president trump, former president trump would have been tied at 269 apiece. if biden had not won nebraska's second district, in addition to those other three states, donald trump would have been reelected president. there are a significant number of scenarios where the two candidates can tie and the single electoral vote in nebraska becomes overwhelmingly

important if that happens. an interesting side note, there's not a perfect microcosm in any congressional district of the country, but omaha's second congressional district, the base second congressional district, that's close to it, a lot of demographic similarities to the rest of the country, in terms of economics, in terms of racial mix, et cetera. so it's sort of a fascinating place politically that i think gets ignored a little bit on the coast. >> john allen, thank you. in 60 seconds, the new evidence that special counsel jack smith has had it up to here with the judge in trump's classified documents trial. with classified documents trial he thd patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. otezla can help you get clearer skin. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. serious allergic reactions can happen. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. some people taking otezla had depression, suicidal thoughts, or weight loss.

upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. live in the moment. ask your doctor about otezla. (vo) explore the world the viking way live in the moment. from the quiet comfort of elegant small ships with no children and no casinos. we actually have reinvented ocean voyages, designing all-inclusive experiences for the thinking person. viking - voted world's best by both travel + leisure and condé nast traveler. learn more at viking.com. in kind of a wow legal moment, special counsel jack smith is blasting the judge overseeing donald trump's classified documents case and warning aileen cannon if she

sides with jurors. relying on flawed legal premises that are flat wrong and if adopted could distort the entire trial. he also went after trump calling him out for making up defense arguments out of whole cloth, untethered to the facts or the law. glen kirschner is a form erp federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and here in studio, msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. what is jack smith so mad about? >> he's mad for a couple of reasons. we don't have a trial date in the case and judge cannon is ordering the special counsel and trump lawyers to submit jury instructions on a specific topic. as glenn knows well, you submit your jury instructions when your close to trial. she asked about the jury instructions about the

presidential documents act. she wanted them to say what the jury can and can't decide about if a president can designate records as personal versus presidential and if they do that, is the president the sole decider with respect to that in ways that would negate prosecution. >> let me make this a little simpler. bottom line is, personal versus what's part of the law, right, that distinction is incredibly important. >> but it's irrelevant to whether something can be charged under espionage act, and that's what jack smith is upset about. he's saying to the extent that you're telling the jury the presidential records act plays any part inform this case, that's an unstated and fundamentally flawed legal premise. it has nothing to do with whether he is authorized to willfully retain documents that pertain to the national defense which is what we have charged this guy with. >> so is what the underlying

thing is here, glenn, is why are we even talking about this, and by the way, have you ever seen a prosecutor go after a judge like this? >> in all of my years i have filed a lot of motions in federal court, and on the receiving end of defense motions filed in court, i have never seen quite so direct or searing a criticism of a federal court judge by prosecutors or defense attorneys. i mean, ironically, this is jack smith both figuratively and literally laying down the law for judge cannon because she proposed to give an instruction to cut right to the chase that would be like telling the jury, if you're the president, they let you do it under the presidential records act, and jack smith said, quote, it is fiction to suggest that a president of the united states can take some of our most closely guarded national security secrets and convert them into personal records like

diaries, journals, and private medical records of a president. and so just, you know, one sentence from one what jack smith says directly to judge cannon is judge, your legal premise is wrong and a jury instruction that disrupts that premise would distort the trial. if you persist, we will file an appeal, perhaps a special kind of appeal called a writ of mandamus, which seeks to have a superior court tell the trial court judge do your job in accordance the law and don't abuse your judicial discretion. >> yeah, so what's going on here, glenn? do you think the judge doesn't understand the law? is it that cut and dry? what's happening? >> so these two proposed jury instructions have no legal support, no experienced judge, no competent judge would propose them. i can't say if this is a product

of incompetence, of compromise, undue bias in favor of donald trump, which this judge has been found to have done once previously, the 11th circuit court of appeals previously found she abused her judicial discretion and did something the law did not allow, to the extreme benefit of donald trump. i think that gives us a little insight, but it's clear, the gloves are off, jack smith will not stand for it, and he is going to go hard and fast after making sure the rule of law applies to donald trump as it should. >> so what are smith's options now, lisa? if he would take it to this point, if he would say i'm going to essentially appeal this, right, and if she's found not to be right in this by the higher court, then is there a case to get her taken off? i mean, what happens? >> i think there is. first of all, let's go to your initial question, which is what are their options in the special counsel's office. there has to be some sort of decision to appeal in the first instance. so they're asking very clearly,

make a prompt decision here because, if you decide that this presidential records act has a role in this trial, we want to get this in front of an appeals panel right away before jeopardy attaches. that's a fancy way of saying the minute the jury is seated here, we don't get a second bite at this apple. we need to appeal this now, and to your point, chris, will they also ask for a recusal if we get to that point. i think it's possible. there are a number of people we thought to the extent they asked for a recusal, it will be on another issue, the order directing them to unseal the names of two dozen witnesses in the case. she is still reconsidering whether or not that order should hold. many people think that if she says they should reveal those witnesses, the government will appeal that too and that too could lead to a request to recuse judge cannon. >> i have to ask you about something else, about trump now suing some of the cofounders, i guess you would say of truth social. they happen to be former

contestants on the apprentice. what's he saying they did? >> let's start with what they said he did first. his is actually the second suit here. they sued trump media in a delaware court almost a month before that company was taken public saying that the conversion ratio for their ownership stake was improper and they essentially weren't going to be given enough of the public company. that's being litigated. trump counter sued in a different form saying they weren't loyalty to the company they should fore fit their shares. >> lisa rubin glenn kirschner, thank you very much. donald trump issues a new debate challenge to joe biden, this time using props. g props.

i know what it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine

when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. relief is possible. talk to a doctor about nurtec odt. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand. and wakes up feeling like himself. get the rest to be your best with non-habit forming zzzquil. ♪ ♪

singlecare is amazing. even though i have insurance, it can't beat the pricing i get on my medication through singlecare. before i submit any prescriptions,

i always check singlecare first! just go to singlecare.com, search for your prescription and show the coupon to your pharmacist. millions of people on medicare, just like me, use singlecare every month, and you can too! visit singlecare.com and start saving today.

. donald trump is trying to taunt joe biden, trying to goad him into a debate. this time hauling out a prop at his wisconsin rally. >> we have an empty podium right here to my right. you know what that is, that's for joe biden, i'm trying to get him to debate. i'm calling on crooked joe to debate anytime, any place, we'll do it anywhere you want, joe. >> well, in a statement, the biden campaign called the move, quote, a weak merch play from a good desperate to avoid talking

about how he's got no cash, no campaign infrastructure, and no answer for how his chaotic, divisive and violent campaign is going to win this november. chuck todd is chief nbc analyst, and robert gibbs, an msnbc political analyst. chuck, you and i have spoken about whether we'll ever see these two candidates on a debate stage together, but should the biden campaign worry that trump clearly is not going to let this go? >> i don't know if they should worry about it. this is awfully early, and usually the guy calling for the debates, there's a reason he's doing it, and the snarky retort from the biden campaign kind of gets at it. they hint at the reason why he's doing it, which is, hey, he needs an event that's paid for by somebody else. he needs more free events, more free media, even the trump campaign has admitted, his rallies are very expensive, and

he does have cash issues right now. but, look, i have been a skeptic that we'll have any debates, but i do think that biden is somebody who does believe in, quote, institutions. and if the commission on presidential debates puts out a schedule and trump agrees to it, i don't know how the biden campaign says no to it. now, i'm not convinced that trump will say yes to whatever the commission puts out. but i do think certainly this version of trump seems to be open to a debate anywhere, anytime, but he has said in the past he would work with the so called commission. if he says yes to the commission, i don't know how the biden campaign says no. >> robert, i'll let you weigh in on that. because that would present an interesting conundrum, assuming that donald trump actually means it and would say yes. >> well, look, i think yesterday's ploy was from a

candidate that missed every single republican debate, and as chuck accurately points out has basically told the commission on presidential debates and the rnc has said they're not going to participate with them. i'm in a different place than chuck on this. i think come this fall, we will have debates. i think both sides will want to have these debates. they'll happen as we talked about, appropriately at a point in which people are -- that haven't made up their mind are really beginning to think of it. those are those traditional kind of post labor day fall debates. i think both sides will want it. we see donald trump wants it. i think it will be an important thing for the biden campaign, so my guess is that we will have these debates. who's the sponsor, who's the moderator, that's going to be a lot of meetings between those two campaigns later this summer to figure out. >> i guess there's also a question of what it would look like. could there be three candidates

instead of two on the stage. the "wall street journal's" latest poll today offers some pretty good indicators about the threat of other candidates, particularly robert f. kennedy who is somewhere, i think, between 7 and 15% in those swing sates. what would it mean if rfk jr. was on stage? what could this look like? >> this is a risk. i don't think the biden campaign wants to do debates, i really don't. i think they have to if the opportunity presents itself. i think for some reason, if there is a debate, trump and rfk would do their own debate, if they're not careful. in 1980, carter refused debates for the longest time. reagan debated the third-party candidate, john anderson, and late in the game when carter was desperate, he did agree to a debate, and the debate ended up finishing him off. it did give reagan what he was looking for, equivalent presidential stature. you know, i think that kennedy,

it's very likely he's polling at about 8 to 10%, maybe 11 or 12. i don't know what the commission's current threshold is. it's been 10 before, it's been 15 before. i think they did a gradual one before where they said 10 in the first one, 15 in the second one. does biden want to participate in a three-person debate? i don't think biden does, but, again, that's another one. how do you say no to it? >> all right. so the other thing that "wall street journal" poll showed, shock, is that people don't like either guy a whole lot. so, robert, hillary clinton, who's hosting a fundraiser on broadway tonight for biden has a message for people who feel exactly that way, they don't like either guy. here it is. >> it's biden versus trump, we know that. >> yes, it is. it is. >> what do you say to voters who are upset that those are the two

choices? >> get over yourself, those are the two choices, right. i don't understand why this is even a hard choice, really, i don't understand it, but we have to go through the election, and hopefully people will realize what's at stake because it's an existential question. >> i mean, it's a good answer for that show, right, get over yourself, essentially, having said that, robert, there's also this assumption that the party base will recognize the gravity of the choice as election day gets closer. but is that a really big gamble? >> well, first and foremost, i mean, yes, it's a good answer for late night tv. i'm not sure it's the best answer to get voters that are thumbing their nose at this or angst ridden about this choice. it doesn't necessarily present the best case for biden. i think you have to use each and every one of these answers to present the case for the candidate that you're for. no, i do think as we get later in the calendar, there is going

to be more gravity to this. i think people are going to think longer and harder about this, and i think you're going to have a group of people that put off making this decision until close to the very end for the same reason they just didn't like the matchup to begin with. >> and i want to squeeze this in, if i can, chuck, we're almost out of time. you spoke to this in the new analysis of the case, arguing it's likely we aren't going to see significant movement in the polls until the last minute. >> when you don't want to do something, you wait to the last minute to make a decision. i think whichever candidate addresses the voter that doesn't like their choice in a more empathetic way, you've got to sort of go to that voter, look, i know i'm not your first choice, but here's why i think you should vote for me. you know, these two campaigns are so sort of ready to just fight and everything is a snark at each other, i do think the slice of voters who doesn't like where things are, doesn't like our politics, they need to be

acknowledged, not sort of get over yourself. again, it's late night television, i think you've got to be more empathetic to this voter who doesn't like the current state of politics and acknowledge it if you want to win their vote. >> chuck todd, robert gibbs, thank you both. still to come, will a deadly strike on aide workers in gaza finally bring change. the head of doctors without borders joins me live on the desperate situation they have been foundation and what they want to see happening now. o see. with e*trade from morgan stanley, we're ready for whatever gets served up. dude, you gotta work on your trash talk. i'd rather work on saving for retirement. or college, since you like to get schooled. that's a pretty good burn, right?

have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? well, look no further. proudly made in tennessee, a safe step walk-in tub is the best in it's class. the ultra-low easy step helps keep you safe from having to climb over those high walled tubs, allowing you to age gracefully

in the home you love. and now, back by popular demand, for a limited time, when you purchase your brand-new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package! yes! a free shower package, and if you call today, you'll also receive $1600 off. now you can enjoy the best of both worlds. the therapeutic benefits of a warm, soothing bath, that can help increase mobility, relieve pain, boost energy, and even improve sleep. or, if you prefer, you can take a refreshing shower all in one product! call now! here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost.

. chef jose andres has just given his first on camera interview since seven of his colleagues at world central kitchen were killed in an israeli strike in gaza. his emotional message about the devastating impact of this war. >> humanitarians and civilians should never be paying the consequences of war. this is a basic principle of humanity. at the time this looks like it's not a war anymore. it's a war against humanity itself. you cannot be destroying every building. you cannot be destroying every hospital, every school. you cannot be targeting humanitarians. you cannot be targeting children. you cannot be fighting the basis of what humanity should be standing for. >> i want to bring in executive

director for doctors without borders u.s., avril benoit, thank you for coming back on the program. andres says it's not just seven colleagues whose lives have been lost there, hospitals have been targeted. he talked about your colleagues at doctors without borders who have been killed. all of this has intensified the spotlight on the dangerous conditions that aide workers are facing in gaza. i wonder if you can share what kinds of conversations you're having internally and with other aid organizations. >> we're all pulling together in solidarity, and our heart breaks for world central kitchen. many of us have been through this. the spotlight, as you mentioned, is extra bright on this particular attack because there are internationals. there are westerners, who are targeted and killed, but it's not an isolated incident, and we've experienced it many times over in different ways.

>> these were clearly marked world central kitchen vehicles, going along coordinated routes, and yes this still happened. what can you tell us about the difficulties of operating there particularly, any coordination with the israeli government, and how does this get better so so workers can be there? >> it's really a mixed situation. on the one hand, you have the rhetoric from the israeli government saying it is doing everything appropriate to warning aid organizations or medical workers in a hospital that they're planning to attack. the warnings are obviously insufficient, otherwise you wouldn't have such a destruction of so many humanitarian facilities and hospitals and whatnot. as we have seen when they were fully functioning and the warnings have not been realistic in terms of transferring patients and so forth.

we also have this notion of coordination or deconfliction. but it really various from organization to organization in terms of the degree of trust that anyone would place in signaling that your organization is functioning in an area. we have had numerous experiences of letting the israeli mechanism be informed and the acknowledged receipt of the information of the location of where doctors without borders, staff and supplies might be. beyond that, there are no promises, so i don't totally understand how world central kitchen was doing that, to what extent they had so much confidence that that exchange or the coordination that they were doing on their side was, you know, a solid handshake that nothing bad would happen. but clearly it, again, points to the dark reality that nowhere in

gaza is safe. humanitarians are not safe. people across the gaza strip are not safe, and certainly that's one of the devastating realizations of an incident like this. because this organization, world value kitchen, was doing a vital service. it was feeding numerous people, including some of the patients in the hospitals where we have been working, something that we wouldn't be able to provide and pull together. it was really their specialty working with their various local partners, and so it really is a tremendous loss, not only when an organization like that feels targeted and they have good reason to believe they were targeted, it's a red line for a humanitarian organization. that's why they have decided to withdraw to cease operations for the time being, anyway, and it would be the case for any organization that sustains a kind of attack like this. >> avril benoit, we remain in awe of the work your

organization, world central kitchen and so many humanitarian groups do in places like this at such great personal risk, and we thank you for taking the time to talk to us. >> thanks, chris. we have newly released video when a 15-year-old girl was shot and killed by deputies on a california highway even as she was following their commands. the shooting happened in 2022. we are just now seeing the video. we should tell you it's been edited and released by the san bernardino sheriff's department. it details a 70 mile car chase that ended in the fatal shootout. official says savannah gratciano, had been abducted by her father. she then gunfire, the video taken from police helicopters, shows the white pickup truck speeding down the freeway, eventually stopping. then savannah gets out of the car, following police commands to walk toward him.

this is the moment right before savannah was shot and killed. and i have to warn you, it can be disturbing to watch. >> the female is out. she's out of the passenger side. does anyone else have eyes on the vehicle to see if there's any other passengers? >> so the sheriff also released audio from the recording of the officer closest to savannah in the moments before she was shot. again, i want to warn you, this is difficult to listen to. >> hey, hey, hey, come here, come to me. come to me. come to me. come to me. come, come, come, come, come, walk, walk, walk, walk, stop shooting her. he's in the car. stop. >> the california justice department now says they're investigating the shooting. the san bernardino sheriff's office and the family both did not respond to our request for

comment. joining me now, veteran prosecutor trial attorney and the executive director of the san francisco department of police accountability paul henderson. paul, we don't know everything, and we haven't seen everything, right? because this was edited. but from what you see and what you know of police procedures, what do you make of what happened here? >> well, there's a lot of things that have raised some red flags for me. the first of which i have real concerns about what the departments have already released publicly, which was an indication that the person that they shot, not the father that was in the car, but the daughter, savannah, was wearing tactical gear and a helmet. and we see from the video, she clearly is not. also, they had indicated that she was firing at the deputies and that's what they believed. my concern is that while there is clear information telling her what to do and that she was following that direction, then she ended up being shot.

and it's clear that the department had issued information saying that they could not tell or did not know whether or not she was shot from the father himself who was armed in the vehicle or whether or not the sheriff deputies were involved, and my real concern is, one, the delay, and how long this has taken to get this information, secondarily, what information was done by the department to determine or figure out how exactly she was killed. these offer a range of issues that are concerning to me and not the least of which, one of the other things that really stands out to me was what this department is using as a standard for how they engage. what is their use of force policy? has their use of force policy been updated? >> most departments have not. what is their officer-involved shooting protocol, what is their crisis intervention protocols. all of these are really important and have to be reviewed before we start looking at and unpacking what the accountability is, not just the

reforms, and that accountability can go in three separate lanes. so we have a criminal repercussion, we have a civil repercussion, in case a lawsuit is filed, and we have a very relevant administrative repercussion, and that's the internal rules and external rules that are applied. so, for instance, if someone isn't following the rules or if someone is to be fired, those are the rules that have to be followed as well, and those are the systemic challenges that come into reviewing law enforcement and what happens and what the next steps are. so there's so many things to unpack in this incident that are applicable that i have real concerns with in terms of what the next steps are for this law enforcement agency and how we get to the bottom of what happened this this incident that needs to be addressed by law enforcement. >> let me ask you about one thing specifically. they originally said she was wearing tactical gear, and you get the video and you realize that wasn't true, but they also said that the shooters, the officers who were shooting were

at a distance. they were at a higher elevation, they were at a different angle. but wouldn't ballistics tests have told them already where the bullets that hit her came from? >> absolutely. and they could have recovered those bullets to know which guns they came from, if they came from law enforcement or from the father who we know was already armed. it's not just that that information has been delayed, it's that that information has not been shared, and, you know, what's a red flag for me is where is the body worn camera from all of this. why are people still not wearing body warn cameras, and why are we getting this information 18 months after the incident took place. where is the after accident incident reports, where's the press release of the information to the public telling them what they found out. if they thought that the daughter and the young girl was involved in the shooting, why didn't they simply swab her for gunshot residue on her hands,

and where's the information confirming or denying that information. there's a lot to unpack here, and a lot to be done by the agencies involved in this investigation. >> paul henderson, it's always so good to have you on the program. thank you for that. appreciate it. coming up, first they rioted, now they're running for office. a look at the january 6th defendants who want to be on the ballot this year. ballot this year it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. a healthy weight can help dogs live a longer and happier life. the farmer's dog makes weight management easy with fresh food pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized we needed a way to supplement our income. if you have $100,000 or more of life insurance, you may qualify to sell your policy. don't cancel or let your policy lapse without finding out what it's worth.

visit coventrydirect.com to find out if your policy qualifies. or call the number on your screen. coventry direct, redefining insurance. billy's not just running a small goat grazing business he's also the chief marketing officer. and when he needs to round up some new customers constant contact makes it easy. helping him craft the perfect message like a marketing genius so his email stands out. constant contact delivers all the tools you need to help your business grow. if billy can do it so can you. get started today at constantcontact.com. helping the small stand tall. (♪♪) (♪♪) try dietary supplements from voltaren, for healthy joints. ♪ (cheery music) - they get it. they know how it works... and more importantly... it works for them.

- i don't have any anxiety about money anymore. - i don't have to worry about a mortgage payment every month. - it allowed me to live in my home... and not have to pay payments. - [narrator] if you're 62 or older and own your home, you could access your equity to improve your lifestyle. a reverse mortgage loan eliminates your monthly mortgage payments and puts tax-free cash in your pocket. call the number on your screen. - it was the best thing i've ever done, and- - really? - yes, without a doubt! - just like these folks, aag can show you how a reverse mortgage loan uses your built-up home equity to give you tax-free cash. - it's a good thing. - why don't you get the facts? like these folks did. - [narrator] call right now to receive your free, no-obligation info kit. call the number on your screen.

the 2024 election marks a dubious milestone for a demographic we haven't yet seen represented in congress. january 6th rioters. three people convicted for storming the capitol on 2021 are running for congress this year, and a fourth, an arizona state senator, is currently under state criminal investigation for his role as a fake elector in 2020. now, further down the ballot, there's a candidate who pled guilty to being at the capitol on january 6th, and two more who were involved with former president trump's stop the sale speech earlier that morning. nbc's ryan reilly has covered all of these cases so closely for us. julie tsirkin is live from the hill. ryan, tell us more about these congressional hopefuls, one even ran in 2022, right when he was incarcerated. >> yeah, you know, i think out of these three who were running, probably the most serious is derek evans, actually a lawmaker

before all of this. he was a state lawmaker in west virginia. there he is being sworn into his role there on the screen, his previous role, that he sort of resigned as a result of these charges. i witnessed the sentencing hearing. he was contrite at that time, telling judge lambert, he was very sorry. he realized as a consequence of his actions that day, that he was going to have to spend time away from his family. he actually did the hearing, the sentencing hearing via zoom. there was a giant photo of his young family behind him that the judge could look at when he sentenced him to three months in prison. there's a stark contrast between what he was saying in court that day, being apologetic for his actions and now, doing all the false flag nonsense about january 6th claiming that he was politically persecuted even though the video shows that derek evans knew what he was doing. he recorded himself for more than an hour as they charged up on the east side of the capitol that day, that he ultimately entered. what he'll focus on is say, hey,

i gave a cop a fist bump when i went inside. what he won't focus on is him narrating the events for an hour, we charged past this line, that line, here we are going up the stairs. i don't think the cops can hold us back. he's someone who would be a stark contrast to see him actually being represented, being a representative on capitol hill. >> and, in fact, julie, freedom caucus chair bob good has actually endorsed one of these candidates. tell us more. >> reporter: bob good endorsed evans who are ryan laid out the history and background of this context. a sitting congressman, the chair of the house freedom caucus which has been the thorn in the side of republican leadership, what does it do for him to make a public endorsement like this. i think the first member of congress to endorse any of these candidates who were here on january 6th, well, you have to look at bob good and who he's running against, right? he is a primary challenger right now, who is being backed by many moderate, centrist members of

the house, including the political arm of the republican main street caucus, a moderate center right leaning group in the house who happens to be chaired by carol miller, the woman in west virginia, the incompetent, that evans, the january 6th rioter is going up against. here's a piece of bob good's statement, his endorsement of support for evans. quote, we cannot save washington and save the country by electing the status quo. we need true courageous like derrick evans. previously endorsed ron desantis, the florida governor, earlier in the primary before he dropped out, then he switched his support backing former president trump instead. clearly this isn't happening in a vacuum. good hopes this helps him in his own election. >> we have less than a minute. is there any chance that any of these other candidates, ryan, look like they could get enough backing, support, that they could make a real run of it? >> i think it's a real long

shot. derrick evans does seem to be of this group, at least, the person who actually could make a run of it, at least for the house. these lower ballot races, that's certainly on the table. we have seen other january 6th defendants run for other offices around the country and sort of use this as a publicity mechanism, getting a lot of attention, as quote unquote warriors for donald trump. >> ryan reilly, julie tsirkin, thank you both. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right after this short break. r this short break. ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪

♪ ♪ [music playing] tiffany: my daughter is mila. she is 19 months old. she is a little ray of sunshine. one of the happiest babies you'll probably ever meet. [giggles] children with down syndrome typically have a higher risk for developing acute myeloid leukemia, or just leukemia in general.

and here we are. marlo thomas: st. jude children's research hospital works day after day to find cures and save the lives of children with cancer and other life-threatening diseases. tiffany: she was referred to st. jude at 11 months. they knew what to do as soon as they got her diagnosis. they already had her treatment plan drawn out. and they were like, this is what we're going to do. this is how long it's going to take. this is how long in between. this place is like a family to us now. like, i can't say enough how grateful we are to be here. medical bills are always a big thing to everybody because everybody knows that anything medical is going to be expensive. we have received no bills since being at st. jude. we have paid for nothing. marlo thomas: thanks to generous donors like you, families never receive a bill from st. jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food so they can focus on helping their child live. for just $19 a month, you'll help us continue the lifesaving

research and treatment that these kids need now and in the future. join with your credit or debit card right now, and we'll send you this st. jude t-shirt that you can proudly wear to show your support. tiffany: anybody and everybody that contributes anything to this place, no matter if it's a big business or just the grandmother that donates once a month, they are changing people's lives. and that's a big deal. [music playing]

good to be with you, i'm katy tur. could special counsel jack smith be on his way to appealing for the ruble of judge aileen cannon. his team filed a sport motion that had something of a threat, and a lot about what they worry judge cannon might be trying to do. we'll explain the fears and the threat in a moment. first, on the filing itself, prosecutors called judge cannon's request for jury instructions based on the presidential records act quote, fundamentally flowed. the pra is not at issue, his office said, and shouldn't even be included in the trial, let alone in the guidance for what the jury should deliberate on. quote, it would be pure fiction to suggest that h