me. i'm jose diaz-balart. that is all. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," president biden and prime minister netanyahu scheduled to speak on the phone today after israeli strikes killed seven world central kitchen aid workers in a convoy marked with their logo and also had notified the idf of their movements in advance. the president said to be furious over the attack which israel says was an accident. will mr. biden give in to mounting pressure, including from his wife, to change his israel policy? a live report from taiwan. devastated by a massive earthquake and aftershocks, where at least ten are dead, hundreds more trapped or missing. president truman's oldest

grandson joins us brussels. nato now faces the crisis in ukraine and a possible return to office from a major critic, donald trump. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we are learning right now, president biden and israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu are speaking on the phone. it's the first call since israel's deadly attack on the world central kitchen workers in gaza. this after president biden is reportedly furious about the air strikes, with the white house releasing a statement that he is, quote, outraged and heartbroken. heartbroken over the deaths of seven workers killed while trying to deliver aid this week, food to palestinians who need it desperately. the organization's founder, jose andres, grieving their loss.

>> some of the people that died were -- were my friends. i served with them. >> the famed chef in his first comments demanding answers to why israeli forces opened fire on the convoy that was identified with the group's logo and had shared its route in advance. he is calling for an independent investigation. >> they were targeted systematically car by car. they were not successful in hitting, they keep trying. this happened over more than 1.5 kilometer. this was not bad luck situation where, oops, we dropped the bomb in the wrong place. >> israel says the air strikes were a mistake, suggesting they were misidentified in the darkness of night. as protests against benjamin netanyahu and his government

grow, on wednesday, israeli war cabinet member and opposition minister, the former deputy prime minister gantz calling for early elections in september, two years before the scheduled end of netanyahu's current term. joining me now, raf sanchez, who is in tel aviv for us, and peter alexander. peter, what do we know about president biden's call right now with israel's prime minister? >> reporter: we are told by officials here that that call between president biden and netanyahu began 30 minutes ago. i'm told it is still ongoing. it's likely that the secretary of state will be a part of this. i'm told the vice president participating in this call as well. it comes at a very tense time in the relationship between these two individuals. this is the first time they are speaking to one another since that strike that killed the seven world central kitchen workers, just a matter of days ago. the call was scheduled after

that strike took place. the president, i'm told by u.s. officials, is very angry. he described his outrage at this situation right now. among the real concerns that the u.s. has, that president biden has and concerns he will communicate, we are told, to prime minister netanyahu is the mistreatment or the failure to take precautions to protect humanitarian workers right now inside of gaza. 200 workers by some accounts have lost their lives since this war again. the president's anger is, in this official's words, a broader problem of how theducting opera either did not pass on to the military, the information from world central kitchen about where the workers would be, or that the military received that information and simply ignored

it. there on the screen a picture of the seven individuals who were killed in that strike. among them, an american canadian citizen. earlier today, we heard from a family member a father of the american canadian citizen who said they have not heard from the white house on this matter. what we will watch over the course of the day when we hear from the secretary of state, as he comes out with scheduled remarks later this afternoon, better understanding of what happened there, and whether there were any better agreements the two sides were able to reach. that could change the way the white house pushes ahead in terms of the relationship. >> peter, we are learning about the first lady, privately urging president biden to do something to end the civilian casualties. that's a very unusual break in the usual privacy between the two of them that's been notable in this administration, and most. tell me about that. >> reporter: that revelation not coming from either of the bidens but coming from a muslim leader

who was here in a meeting with president biden earlier this week. the president, ahead of a dinner, was visiting with this muslim leader who shared an experience with nbc news that she thought was striking in terms of the first lady's view on this issue. this muslim leader told my colleague, yamiche alcindor, that during that meeting the president indicated how much concern the first lady has had and expressed to him about the situation taking place, saying specifically that she has said, stop it, stop it now, joe, referring to the conflict now in its six months -- approaching the six-month mark since the massacre took place in southern israel. it does reveal the pressures the president is facing on all sides of this matter, including those from his closest confidante of all, his wife. >> raf, you spoke with jacob

flickinger's family. he was the u.s. canadian dual citizen, one of the seven victims of the attack. talk to me about that. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i got off a call with john and silvia, the parents of jacob flickinger, that 33-year-old american canadian citizen. they told me they do not have confidence the israeli military will thoroughly investigate. they want to see an independent investigation carried out by a third party. world central kitchen is saying the same. they are asking the israelis to preserve evidence, any video, any audio, any internal orders that could be part of a third party probe. there's no indication at this stage that the israeli military, which is investigating itself, is going to agree to allow a third party to look at any of that evidence. that's the call from world central kitchen. they have a lot of unanswered questions. they want to know, how is it

that israeli forces opened fire on that convoy when it was clearly marked with the logo of the world central kitchen, and its movements were coordinated ahead of time. i found this very moving, that these are two people in the deepest grief you can imagine, and yet they made the point to me that they are just one family and there are thousands and thousands of families in gaza who have lost someone. take a listen. >> we are two people who suffer because we have lost our only son. but we are only two. there are thousands and thousands. there are five other world central kitchen workers killed in the attack. 200 workers in gaza that have been killed.

>> reporter: you will remember, a couple of hours before that deadly israeli air strike in gaza that killed those world central kitchen workers, there was an explosion at the iranian embassy in damascus. iran blaming israel for that attack. over the last day, the ayatollah vowing revenge. those are threats the israelis are taking seriously. the air defenses are on high alert. the israeli military canceled leave for combat units. the spokesman for the israeli military confirming that they are actually jamming gps signal in central israel right now. google maps, other functions are not working. he is urging people not to make runs on atms, on supermarkets. an official tells me there's no concrete intelligence of an imminent iranian attack. this is something they are taking seriously. >> it could clearly also come

from the north, from hezbollah and open up that whole other front. u.s. officials are very concerned as well. another quick question to peter. how do you read the political climate now? because one of the president's closest ally if not his closest, chris coons, a prominent foreign relations senator, came out very strongly today for the first time in terms of conditioning the military aid. >> reporter: you are exactly right. not just chris coons, bernie sanders, a top progressive democrat. he was at white house yesterday and shortly after his visit here sanders posted a statement basically saying that aid to israel needs to stop. it needs to be conditioned. there's a lot of pressure coming from some democrats and some of those close to president biden right now. the conversations i have been having from those in and around the national security community here, advisors to the president,

is just this sense right now that there are divisions, different viewpoints. but the president feels very strongly about the need to continue to support israel. it has to be some form of a tough love right now given the huge numbers of civilian deaths taking place inside gaza right now. the bottom line is, in spite of the president's outrage and anger at this point, his policy positions have not yet changed. will we see any change in that policy? i think it will be a real revelation. keep an eye on this. depending how today's conversation goes, you could hear something different from the white house in reaction. will they then call for an independent investigation? did the president not get enough that he wanted to hear from netanyahu? those are among the things we will watch for later today. >> yeah. other non-profit agencies, humanitarian groups have stopped their aid deliveries because of their concerns given what

happened to world central kitchen. there may be some agreement, some sort of understanding to protect them so they can get that aid back in. it strikes me that -- sanders was leading this. it could be the president could say to netanyahu, you know, chris coons is now wanting to condition aid and use that as leverage. we should point out -- peter, you know this so well, and raf, the aid to israel right now is in the same package as the aid to ukraine, which they are working so hard with the speaker on some compromise to get through. if it begins to be amended and if the israel piece of it becomes more controversial, that will jeopardize any clear sailing for aid to ukraine, which is critical right now. >> reporter: correct.

>> peter, thank you so much. raf sanchez, a tough day in israel as well. joining us now is ambassador pinkus, former advisor to israel prime ministers, and former israeli consul general in new york. i want to ask about the world central kitchen deaths. the tension now and this very difficult phone call that is right now underway. >> the two separate things, andrea. the incident itself is going to be investigated. i can tell you right now what the investigation is going to find and conclude, that there was a breakup in communication, that there was a misidentification, that orders did not trickle down accurately from the higher echelon to the field commanders, that this was an error of judgment and so on and so forth. this doesn't change the very

essence of the idea and the very simple lodge logic that if you they are working there, you know because they have coordinated with you, you control northern gaza. for god sakes, there's no reason in the world to pursue any military action while they are offloading and/or distributing hugh humanitarian aid. as for the incident itself. the president, in his discussion, will know once the readout is available, will express outrage, his anger, his resentment, his disappointment. the question is, whether or not the president will make the leap between rhetoric and a policy change. that we will have to wait and see.

>> from all of my reporting, he has been very reluctant. he is almost isolated among his national security officials who are getting a lot of pressure. we heard memos and protests from the state department, diplomats, some resignations. i want to ask you about gantz. he is calling for early elections. there had been talk about that. you and i have discussed. he had not called for september elections. what is pushing him in that direction? is he reading polls differently, there's more support either in the -- >> or that he is listening to senator chuck schumer, whichever comes first. let's put it in the correct perspective. there's a tendency to make this sound like a big drama. here is benny gantz, one of the leaders of the opposition who joined the war cabinet and out

of nowhere calls for an early election this september. let's dissect this. he could have and should have and still could -- i find it hard to see -- leave the government and call for an election immediately. instead, he is calling for an election in september. that's far away. an election in september means that mr. netanyahu, in his usual and habitual manipulative way, is going to make september into december and then december into february. all that time, mr. gantz provides mr. netanyahu with a protective political shield. until mr. gantz withdraws from the government -- there's no reason in the word why he should about there -- there won't be an early election. his calls for an agreed upon date rings somewhat hollow. why he has done that, per your question, because he is under

tremendous pressure from his own would-be voters who in the polls give him a lot of votes and make him the biggest party had elections been held virtually according to the polls. he is under tremendous pressure to leave the government. this would be for him some kind of a be all things to all men kind of solution. i'm calling for an early election, but i'm not leaving the government. september is good enough. he said in his statement that would allow us to exhaust the military or security requirements that are needed. i would not make this into a drama. one last remark on this. between benny gantz saying this on the heels of chuck schumer, senate majority leader saying this, on the heels of this conversation that is going on -- i understand is going on now between president biden and

prime minister netanyahu and against the background of what is happening in lebanon and in syria in terms of the iranian and israeli escalation, i think there's a perfect storm forming here that could rile the coalition. >> fascinating stuff. israeli politics is so complicated. thank you. >> thank you. inside taiwan. we are live from one of the areas hardest hit by this week's deadly earthquake. that's next. "andrea mitchell reports" will be back in 60 seconds. you are watching msnbc. l health. but uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia, started disrupting my day. td felt embarrassing. i felt like disconnecting. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks.

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miners stranded on a cliff. six were airlifted to safety yesterday. taiwan's emergency response center reports more than 700 people remain trapped on roads cut off with 1,000 injured and 15 missing. joining us now from taiwan is janis mackey frayer. the devastation is apparent from the pictures. you raced there overnight. from talking to people, they did have a lot of warning, because they had improved so many of the systems that are in place since what happened 25 years ago. it's just a disaster. >> reporter: earthquakes are unavoidable here. people are accustom to them. this one, the most powerful in 25 years, measuring 7.4 magnitude, according to u.s. estimates. making buildings look like this. this is tilting so precariously

that crews have had to put huge concrete blocks underneath it and add rocks to give it enough support until they can demolish the building which is scheduled to happen tomorrow. the concern here is that there have been so many aftershocks. perhaps one of those aftershocks is going to be strong enough to bring down a building like this or to cause more damage. it's also why they are trying to step up the rescue efforts outside of the city where hundreds of people remain trapped. >> janis, when you talk about what happens next, have they started building structures differently, as others in earthquake zones -- certainly japan after what happened in 2011. >> reporter: this island has a lot of measures in place to protect it against these --

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failed. the judge shot down the former president's attempt to use immunity as a defense and delay the trial. we are waiting for judge cannon in florida in the classified documents case to answer jack smith's unusual rebuke in his latest filing the night before last. joining me now andrew weissmann. andrew, this was an attempt by trump to block evidence like his past social media posts from being used in the trial. talk to me about that. >> sure. what he was trying to do in the new york criminal case, the one that is definitely, i think, going to start a week from

monday, as you noted, is he was using presidential immunity there, not to say the whole case should be thrown out. that's what he is saying in the d.c. federal case. what he is saying in the new york case is that this is an argument for why a particularly damning tweet that he sent out while he was the president should not be admissible as evidence. he made that motion only recently, in spite of the fact that he was supposed to have made any and all pretrial motions months ago. the judge rejected it by saying i'm not going to be a short order cook, essentially, where i'm fielding these things at the last minute out of order, way out of time, when you had ample opportunity to raise any and all motions. he is really concerned about donald trump sort of trying to interfere with the scheduling by bringing these last-minute

motions when he could have raised all of this before. all that means is that that tweet, which is really, really damning. it will help the government. is going to be coming into evidence. >> can they argue it again in trial, that it's prejudicial? or is this it? >> they could try some -- great question. they would have to come up with a different argument. they won't be able to say it shouldn't come in because of presidential immunity. they might be able to argue various other federal evidentiary -- i'm sorry, state evidentiary rulings as to why to keep it out. the argument it can't come in because he did it while he was president, that's gone. the thing that's so interesting about this tweet and the reason the state wants it is because it basically is a confession to the scheme, which is that they

engaged in these hush money payments, that these were reimbursements and they were being funneled to stormy daniels to keep her from talking. that is a huge part of what is alleged here. you can understand why donald trump didn't want it in. i think it's clear it wasn't -- this argument about presidential immunity wasn't going to be a particularly good argument for keeping it out. i think what they decided was to do this very late and just put it in the record. so if there's a conviction, they can try to appeal on this basis. i think the judge was well within his discretion to say, you know, you should have done this months ago. >> we have an experienced judge, highly regarded, dispensing with motions right and left, coming down with rulings in both directions, but rulings that are prompt. >> right. >> let me take you to florida.

a very different case. >> yes. >> one of your favorite judges, judge cannon, being defended on truth social by donald trump, defending judge cannon who made a series of pro-trump rulings and delays, delays, delays, delays in the case. he said jack smith should be sanctioned, threatening to go to the 11th circuit and asking for an order to make her come up with a decision on some of these things. how unusual is it for the defendant to go on social media and come down on the side of the judge? >> of course, it's extremely unusual, because -- to be fair, you don't usually have a defendant who has got this kind of megaphone. this is no different than the mueller investigation where if you are not cooperating with the government, even as the

president of the united states, if you are not cooperating with the government, which he leads, that was something commendable. paul manafort, not cooperating, that was good. michael cohen cooperating or rick gates cooperating, that was bad. very unusual stance for someone who is in the government and leading the justice department to take. you are seeing something no different here, which is he thinks a judge is favorable to him. he is going to be commending her and saying, stick to your guns. if it's a judge who he disagrees with, he is going to use his megaphone to denigrate the person, sometimes in terms that are quite threatening and have been the subject of numerous gag orders at this point. i think that with respect to judge cannon, the idea that something the government did is sanctionable is really laughable. what jack smith did is said that we need a ruling. if we think it's wrong, we have

a right to seek review in the court of appeals. that's the way the justice system works. there's nothing wrong with anything that anybody has done in terms of seeking to take advantage of the legal process. but i do think that judge cannon does owe a decision here and really can't sit any longer on the fence sitting. >> speaking of decisions, just handed to me, as they say, this just in, judge mcafee in georgia has ruled on donald trump's petition to seek -- to dismiss the indictment on first amendment political speech grounds. can i read this to you? it's a very brief court order. the judge says they argue, the defendants, that the prosecution violates the first amendment's protections of political speech and activity, freedom of

association, and the right to petition congress as applied to their alleged conduct and further contend the charges are overbroad. the argument of counsel and the indictment, the court finds these constitutional protections do not reach the actions and statements alleged by the state, nor do the statutes violate the first amendment. the defendant's motions are denied. this is a win for fani willis. >> absolutely. this is consistent with the rulings of other judges who have dealt with the same challenge. as you recall, this resort to the first amendment is something that donald trump, as is his right, made these claims that the january 6th case, the federal case and the state case, violated his first amendment right of speech. that has been rejected federally and state. the idea that you can't be charged with crimes because you

use speech is one, as a former prosecutor and former defense lawyer, makes no sense. if you order somebody to kill somebody, that is speech, but it's also a crime. you if you go into a bank and you say, i'm robbing the bank, that's speech, but that can be charged. just because you are using your voice doesn't mean that you have a first amendment to commit a crime by using your voice. i think that the -- again, donald trump was entitled to make the motion and to set forth all of the legal citations for it, but it's not surprising to me that it was rejected both at the federal and state level. >> andrew weissmann on the fly and on all things, thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> his book is "the trump indictments." it's out now. it's a best seller. on the trail, vice president kamala harris and biden cabinet

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vice president kamala harris is in north carolina this hour promoting the president's climate agenda. it's her fourth visit there this year, a state donald trump won by just a little over a point in 2020. poll after poll shows it's another tight race this year. joining us now, garrett haake, ashley parker, and peter baker. garrett, north carolina is really critical. they have a governor's race. they had a senate race. if they won that race, if they had done more, a lot of criticism from people i know

down there, democrats that the dnc did not do enough for that senate race. they would be more comfortable in the senate right now. >> reporter: would have helped. it looks like it should be a democratic fast. it's diverse. highly educated voter population. it's been one that got away for democrats the last several cycles. joe biden was part of the last ticket to win with president obama in 2008. that was the last time any democrat won north carolina at the presidential level in many years. democrats have had democratic governors. they have had some senate races get close. it's a real opportunity if you can make north carolina competitive or even if you could actually win it. it's 16 electoral votes. it's bigger than michigan, wisconsin. not that you want to, but if you lost a state like that and you win north carolina, you are in a great position. the opportunity to expand the map is there. it's going to be very tempting.

we have to keep a close eye on how much the campaigns really decide to sink in and how much they say it's a battleground but move resources elsewhere. >> there are three north carolinas. they didn't get the black turnout they could have gotten. they didn't put enough people. president obama did not go in person. there's a lot of north carolina history here. i think the last time they won, i think the democratic convention was in north carolina. >> reporter: that's right, in 2008. >> moving on. ashley, the battle over abortion, of course, florida is fool's gold in most cycles for democrats who think they can win. democrats are talking about florida being competitive, no matter how big desantis' margin was, because of the abortion referendum. it's playing out in a tennessee court where women who were denied medically necessary

abortions want the ban blocked as it relates to cases like theirs. they want clarity on what is a medical emergency. how is tennessee indicative of the national debate? >> in general, democrats in the biden campaign view sort of any discussion about abortion, so far in reproductive rights, in the post-dobbs world, as beneficial to them. florida is a state that they have thought was kind of off the table, even once they thought that, they were still going to play there a little bit and make republicans and the trump campaign spend there, as garrett was saying, talking about being in -- north carolina because of the math, it's largely on the defense. it's nice to have states where even if they don't necessarily win, they can go and make the other team play defense.

they think one of the things is that anything donald trump has said that seems to get at taking away a woman's right to choose. it's worth noting, trump has been all over the place on this. it's a tough place for him to weigh in. you should expect to see words coming out of his mouth that make not just democrats but independents, swing voters worried about their reproductive rights. they think it will help pull people into biden's camp. >> there's the one lonely electoral vote in nebraska, peter. last night, lawmakers rejected trump pressure to change how the state allocates their electoral college votes, not to be the whole state taking all but one

district which could make a difference. the biden people think it did make a difference. in any case, the governor there still wants to try again. the legislative session has another week or two. what's going on there? >> exactly. there are two states in the country, nebraska and maine, that assign their electoral college votes by congressional district rather than winner take all. that means that in nebraska, a democrat has gotten one electoral college vote, even though the rest of the state is conservative, going back a number of cycles. that one vote could matter a lot to joe biden if they get to a tie. similarly, maine does the same thing. a republican, that's specifically donald trump, has taken one of maine's electoral college votes. even though the rest of the state goes to democrats. if trump thinks the appropriate

way to have an electoral college vote is signed is winner take all in nebraska, does he think the same in maine? then he would lose that vote from that way and it would balance out. this is a sign of how close this election is expected to be. we are arguing about a single electoral college vote. it could come down to that single vote. >> this year is going to be a roller coaster year. garrett haake, ashley parker, peter baker, thanks to all. a major milestone. i will be joined by president harry truman's oldest grandson to look at the future hurdles of nato on its 75th anniversary today. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. this is msnbc.

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harry s. truman, he understood on a personal level what can happen when we allow the forces of evil, the forces of aggression, to spread. when the united states entered world war i, he rejoined the u.s. national guard. that experience left truman along with generations of men and women who survived the two world wars determined that history would not repeat itself. even as our alliance changes, even as it evolves, its purpose remains enduring. >> secretary of state blinken in brussels. that was yesterday's speech in brussels. today, he is going to have a news conference shortly marking

the milestone in our global security. april 4, 1949, president harry truman presided over the signing of the north atlantic treaty among fears of soviet power. nato is now the most successful defense alliance the world has known, reinforcing that in real time, as it stands united against threats with moscow, what started at 12 founding members has grown to 32. sweden and finland this year representing half of the economic and military power as representatives from all 32 member nations are gathered to mark the many achievements on this anniversary. they are honoring the president who helped start it all with a statue of president truman unveiled. his oldest grandson joins us. also with us, michael beschloss. you were 6 when you learned that your grandfather had become the united states president.

talk to us about that and about the statue and what nato means. >> thank you for having me on. hi, michael. that story -- my parents didn't tell me my grandfather was president. i found out at school. >> that's amazing. >> that's not the word i would have used for it, or my teacher. she went around the room asking all of us to stand up on the first day of class and say a little something about themselves, and apparently i said, hi, i'm clifton and sat back down. and she said, wait a minute, wasn't your grandfather president of the united states? and i said i don't know. and it was the first of many answers my teachers didn't like over the years, but i went home that afternoon, and i dropped my book bag at the front door, and i marched across the living room to where my mother was sitting

and i put my hands on my hips, and i said, mom, did you know that grandpa truman had been president, and she put the book down, and she looked at me, and she said, yes. but just remember something, any little boy's grandfather can be president. don't let it go to your head. >> that is such an amazing story. you must have been in first grade or something? >> i was, 6 years old like you said. you've got it. >> wow. what do you think about your grandfather's enduring legacy. we've been through a period where donald trump was criticizing nato and insulting nato leaders whether or not he would do that again, who knows, if he were in the oval office. but you've had, you know, the nato summits i've been to, most of them, the first that joe biden went to when he was first elected was america is back. that was his theme, and they welcomed him with open arms. >> having been to nato headquarters today and having

been with secretary blinken and ambassador smith and the general secretary and listening to the ministers of 32 nations and their confidence, their praise, their need for the nato alliance, it's hard to imagine for me that anyone, any american or anyone would want to weaken or try to weaken something like that. my grandfather, i don't know how far his vision went, but his -- his idea, his dream, his action has kept the peace and boosted prosperity. for 75 years. and it needs to keep doing that, especially as you've just said and others have been saying in the news, especially the threat seems to have been renewed from the same source. >> and it's been a bipartisan enduring legacy up until very recently. michael beschloss, you're the

biggest fan of presidential lie prepares. the first one i went to as a young reporter i was covering the '76 kansas city republican convention and took an extra day to go to the truman library, and was just eye opening and cemented my love of politics and wanting to come to washington. >> wonderful. and if i could say something that cliff just break in for a second said, cliff, i think you would agree with me that if harry truman came back, he would want to kick the rear end of any president who wanted to abolish nato, and he would not have used the word rear end. >> i think that's -- >> no, i was just going to say and the david mccullough book, you know, one of my favorite presidential biographies makes that clear, right? >> wonderful. exactly. >> well, let's talk about -- michael, talk to me about congress's inaction now. what would president truman be saying about not supplying money

to ukraine in a war? >> well, i think he'd want to kick some rear ends on capitol hill too because if he came back today, he would say that the reason the three of us are on this program as americans alive has a lot to do with the fact that nato survived, that harry truman thought of it. that he got it through congress and explained to americans why only four years after the end of world war ii, they had to possibly arm to fight the soviet union and keep it out of western europe and preserve freedom. we're fighting that fight all over again right now. republicans on capitol hill are saying that there's a very good chance we're going to vote down aid to ukraine. there is less support among -- on that side for nato than there has probably been in the last 75 years. that is tragic, and if you think that nato is the keystone to

freedom on earth in 2024 as it was in 1949, i don't want to keep citing cliff for confirmation, but i think the three of us would think that is true. we were in danger today, and i wish harry truman was back to explain that to americans why this is so absolutely essential. >> that's why we're so happy to have you here, michael and clifton truman daniel. it's such a pleasure to meet you virtually. while we're talking about history, we know that the -- it was the 2012 democratic convention in charlotte, north carolina, it was misspoken a little while ago that it was not 2012, it was 2012. >> yes. >> thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> and head to msnbc.com to read more from clifton daniel about how his grandfather's warning rings true after the nato signing. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." thanks for being with us. you can rewatch the best parts of our show anytime on youtube,

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