it is sunday april 7th. with the presidential race in full swing between the two presumptive nominees, both campaigns are focused on raising as much money as they can. a couple of weeks ago, joe biden was joined by former presidents barack obama and bill clinton to headline a star- studded fundraiser at radio city music hall in new york city and brought in a record- setting $26 million. the most money ever raise for a single political event until apparently, last night. 11 days after biden set the record, donald trump apparently smashed it at a fundraiser in florida last night. the republican party presumptive nominee took in more than $50 million. nearly doubling the biden record. the two events are study in contrasts. the radio city extravaganza was emceed by a comedian and featured musical performances from the likes of h popstar lizzo. and featured a conversation with three presidents moderated by stephen colbert. te tickets for the event range from the low of $225 up to a

high of $500,000, which included access to a more exclusive gathering. the event was sold out and more than 5000 people came out to support the reelection effort. donald trump's event was a more expensive affair. it was hosted by hedge fund billionaire john paulson and his $110 million oceanfront home in palm beach, just a few minutes away from mar-a-lago. he got very rich off of the team big against subprime mortgages in 2007 at the height of the credit bubble. trump was the main event a few allies and former primary opponents, tim scott, doug burgum offered remarks as well. tickets started at $250,000 at the low end. at the high end, some attendees paid the maximum contribution of 814,000 which got them a seat at the trump table. according to a trump campaign in

official, the fundraiser was attended by 117 guests at the event was closed to the press, but former president trump did offer brief, seemingly enthusiastic on camera when he arrived at the mansion. >> it is a great honor to be hereor. it will be a very spectacular evening and people are just wanting change. rich people wanted. poor people wanted. everybody wants change in the country is doing poorly. we are a laughing stock all over the world and we will get that changed quickly. >> he sure needs some change. in fact, nobody has been scrounging for change as much as donald trump has. p the four time that it president is facing $4 million in legal penalties and more money in mounting attorney fees despite his record haul last night, he will still be tens of millions of dollars behind joe biden's massive cash advantage. this week, republicans reported trump in the rnc pulled in $65.6 million in march and ended the month with $92.1 million in cash. meanwhile, joe biden raised $90

million last month alone. his campaign now has $192 million on hand. trump's rallies are not pointed as much money as previous campaigns and his legal ulcer draining the coffers. in toy story 3 trump used $55 million of donor money to pay for various fees related to his multiple cases, which is why last night's fundraiser is notable. it showcased the billionaires are coming back home for trump. after period of hesitation some notable megadose of gotten back on en board among those listed of the cochairs last night were las vegas businessman robert guillot. he donated $20 million to never back down to support ron desantis's bid. he told reuters he had recentlyc given trump on $1 million for his legal fees.

he also said he promised to give $20 million more to former president trump's super pac. who says good friends are hard to find? even some figures that spurned trump after january 6th are ready to come back into the fold. eric levine, a prominent republican fundraiser said he would not vote for trump after the inspection. he was lucid and make email saying due to a dramatic change in circumstances, i have decided i will vote for trump in november similarly, what if the insurrection, the billionaire investor nelson peltz apologized for 2020. he told the financial times that he probably will vote for trump and cited the border and by then the past this mental condition. joining us now is barbara in mcquade, former united states attorney, msnbc analyst and author of the book, " attack from within . " allie vitelli

joins us as well. the other member of the club on msnbc and capitol hill correspondent for msnbc news. she is the author of " electable. " welcome to both of you. >> allie vitelli, let's talk about this. the election is happening. election day is a long way away. has mythic about fundraising? most of us do not get up everyday thinking about what it means. >> frankly, nor should you. i do think the amount of money- and i was listening to a center to the segment, what a staggering amount of cash. $90 million on hand for trump and we say it is a small amount, that is actually stunning. it again brings me back to the station we had on friday night. the idea of do you know who is influencing people who are

trying to leave the country? we see the continued push s against dark money donors and various senators. pushes the go nowhere, but were three-echoing. the e,second thing is a conversation we have been having about the way that trump is using campaign cash because he is spending so much time in courtroom. those two things to be diametrically opposed. the way that trump has fused them and make sense people are willing to give him this cash, go to court fees because those things are very much the same now. the campaign is the courtroom and the courtroom is o a campaign for donald trump. the one thing i have been noticing, and this is a conversation with the folks i have on our team that cover trump regularly, is the idea that the rally scheduled is so much lighter than those of us that have covered him in the d past have experienced. it could be-of course he has the court cases. rallies are expensive to put on. watching the way they are financed in the way the money is used will be critically important. it is why we cover the many games now because it will inform the ground game later. >> barbara, the campaign is the

courtroom and the courtroom as o the campaign. that is what trump trhas been trying to achieve where a judge has not told him is literally not to, he walks to cameras and talks about it. it is amazing listening to these donors who have given money to his legal fees and are given the maximum to his campaign. this line has really been blurred. >> there is an old saying that no publicity is bad publicity ub and all publicity is good publicity. donald trump is leaning into that. is fulfills his narrative that he is a victim and it is about grievance and he has been targeted because they are not after him, they are after you. it is an opportunity every time there is press coverage of what is happening at the courthouse. he will sees that covered opportunity to campaign and shares grievances. to the point about billionaires providing assistance, is a former national security official, when i hear that reporting what i hear is someone who will have

leverage over the levers of power in our country. i participated in security background questionnaires and interviews for people who are working in jobs with fbi and the department of justice. consistently, the questions would be sources of income and s leverage and opportunities for blackmail or undue influence of people before they were able to have access to our nation's secrets to. a president does not go through a background investigation. and concerned that people who are bailing him out now with in billions of dollars will have undue influence over the president. >> it is no surprise to the three of us here or anybody watching us that donations for political campaigns are about influence.s it is surprising to me the ri degree to which people are open about it. i have given him $1 million for his legal fees and i will give $20 million to the super pac. we do not believe any of this breaks any laws because our

laws allow for this. >> a tale as old as time, especially in the way the money goes to super pacs. super pac when he gets used differently than campaign money. one of the things that is obvious is advised. campaigns purchase ads at lesser rates than super pacs. it is political strategy and managing the entities. i think it is notable, in especially when you see the folks who criticized him after january 6th and openly questioned his mental fitness and are now coming home. it reminds me of something someone said to me yesterday. this is republicans falling in line. all of this is what we should be expecting. b though i think many of us like to think january 6th was a ry pivot point in the way that we think conventional politics and the rule trump plays it. i do think there are questions about what the influence factor is. i know barbara comes of this national security perspective. i look at it from the policy effective. iv last night trump told folks do

not worry, your taxes will stay low. that is what they want to hear. and one of the reasons they say we will phone line despite our pesky systems because the policy make sense. >> the naove among us barbara, may have but january 6th would be a turning point. beyond january 6th, they continued assault on democracy. the rallies every week. last night was an exception. the rallies he has on saturday night or the mid-week when he had in grand rapids, michigan in which he is surrounded by uniformed law enforcement and he is talking about the vermin at the border. he is talking about bloodbaths. i would've thought that would give business people pause, but that would mean i am naove. the association that donald trump continues to increase with violence is a little different this time that it was before. >> it is. the rhetoric has been so much violence, bloodshed, bloodbath and all these things. it is important to remember

that business is business. if donald trump can promote and promise deep tax cuts, then i suppose they are voting with the bottom line. you do not to look too far to see parallels between this and put two's russia where re oligarchs get rewarded. you have to get people who will normalize your message. the way you do that is through financial incentives. if you can get business leaders on board and your promise in exchange is they will benefit from your administration. i will extract money for the poor and give it to you in exchange for putting me in power. i think that is what we are seeing. across monetary incentive for business to support donald trump in the hope that he will make the more profitable. to create detriment to the rest of society, when you think about the division in society and some of the other things that donald trump represents. including the threat of clinical violence.

>> house arrest of the campaign going? donald trump did what he did in 2016 and 2020 and what he did in michigan. show them how big the crowd is. they want to that. will not turn the camera around and show you. this is all part of his playbook. >> having been there from in arguably the first rallies of 2015, i sometimes wonder if i am not waken up in a time warp of that everyday. the fundamentals have not changed. you have folks who are saying it is a more professionalized trump campaign. certainly, you look at the people running it. susie wiles commands immense respect. all of that is going on and is a lasting trump effect. the way that he is campaigning. the crooked hillary moniker is now the crooked joe biden moniker. it is the same thing over again. as i was traveling covering nikki haley, i was struck by the number of people who were

still willing to say that they felt they were stolen from in 2020 and this is their path to retribution. when trump says that, a lot of us look at that and take umbrage with that. and there are reasons we should. the way that voters have metabolized that and the way itd is now in the bloodstream there is really something i always need to take seriously. it informs so much. >> you don't have to agree with it, but you need to know is out there and is working. this is what a lot of people increasingly tell us these days. ignoring this is at your peril. thank you both of you. barbara mcquade, former district attorney in michigan. and herb book " the attack from within. " and allie vitelli, msnbc news capitol hill perspective -- correspondent. i am waiting for the day when your book becomes obsolete.

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arwa damon, president and founder of inara, international work for aid and relief assistance. and nonprofit provide a medical and mental health care to children suffering from human have been made or natural disasters. she is an award-winning journalist having served as international correspondent for cnn, a former colleague of me and a non-resident senior fellow at the atlantic council. it is great to be reunited with you friend and terrible under the circumstances. thank you for being with us. i want to get right into it. earlier this morning, world central kitchen founder jose andres appeared on abc news and addressed the situation in gaza. >> it is been six months of targeting anything that seems moving. this does not seem like a war against terror. it does not seem any more and more about

defending israel. at this point, it seems like a war against humanity itself. >> your take on that please. >> being here and seeing what i have seen so far of the last few days, i had to agree. when you look at what has happened to the population here. the way it has been decimated from just about every single aspect. where not talking just about people who have been forced from their homes and have had to pull their loved ones out from underneath the rubble. we are talking about a population that has systematically been deprived of proper healthcare with the targeting of gaza's medical infrastructures. the effective eradication. talking about a publishing is being starved and deprived of basic humanitarian care. it is impossible to move around here without being completely and totally swarmed the minute people realize you are a aid

organization. they are asking for everything from diapers to baby milk to sanitary pads women will come up to you with their listless babies asking for any assistance for them. people are begging for medicine for their children who have epilepsy. they want to figure out and try to begin to understand how to cope with their own kids' nightmares. one woman said her son was screaming and going into convulsions after seeing one of his sister's heads being blown off after a bomb landed on their home. i was at one of the remaining gaza hospitals in the south earlier. the scenes are horrific . it is complete chaos and absolutely getting to think this could actually be resolved. >> this morning he posted on instagram, of video you took

from inside this hospital in southern gaza. you found it yesterday. i want to warn our viewers it is difficult to watch, but it is important. >> it is hot. there are just so many. so many people. all in one place. this is just insane. hello. >> [ speaking in a global language] >> is just like bed after bed. >> we have known each other for

a very long time. you have seen all sorts of horrible things around the world. i have not seen you like this. you are fully shaken by what you watched in gaza. >> i am. it is not to say or even tried to compare one war zone to another or one population' is pain to another. when it comes to what war does to a person's soul and psyche, it is universal matter where you are. there is something very different about this. i think it comes from the speed with which it all happened. this year crush of people that exist in this space in southern gaza. it is also because you drive into gaza and you drive past aid trucks that have been waiting at the crossing for weeks. you also realize, unlike other areas where neighborhoods have been under siege. syria for example, where the dictator regime is going to retire neighborhoods in syria.

or, areas under siege by i.s.i.s. in iraq. this area is effectively under siege by israel, a democratically-elected nationstate that is a close eye of -- ally of the nine states. it is egregious to think the western world cannot somehow pressure israel to allow in more aid and medical staff. to ease up the burden of the population. look, i have been in a lot of war zones all over the world. it does not have to be like this . it most certainly does not have to be this bad. the population does not have to suffer this much. on top of the images in the clip you saw in the reel of my new shared, i also met two siblings. brother and sister. the brother was completely emaciated and in medical terms he was skin and bones. she was severely injured. i met a boy whose skull was

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in some cases, people should loser jobs because it is harmful . but in many cases, there are opportunities to educate. there are education opportunities to point out what is wrong within the systems we have built. unfortunately, that is hard work. >> as a high schooler, there needs to be more space to grow. you are expected to already know who you are. i think it is an issue of not letting people grow and make mistakes. >> kids are mean and kids will always bully. cancel culture is just the new guys that bullies will take to inflict harm upon someone. >> after quick break we will dive deeper into the consequences of cancel culture what happens when it butts heads with free-speech. dr. meredith clark joins us when we come back. back.

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professor at northeastern university and founding director of the school's center for medication, media, innovation and social change. also author of the upcoming book. thank you for being with us. i cannot hear dr. clark, but i don't know if that is just me. we have you. i want to ask you something about the clip of you we just played. you seem to be describing a teachable moment before cancel culture came upon us. it seems to have gone away. are you advocating when somebody does something that would otherwise result in being canceled that we should use it as an opportunity or people to do the hard work before they get themselves canceled? >> i think it is a little bit of both. i am not a person that subscribes to the idea of cancel culture, if you will. i believe in accountability

practice. what some of the people referring to as cancel culture is calling for folks to be held accountable for their actions. >> we have all become accustomed to social media. as you point out in the clip, a lot of this is people who are not prepared to roll up their sleeves and do some hard work because it is easier and possibly, until you get canceled, substantially more rewarding to offer a hot take on social media. i keep saying i wish we had the opportunity to put up a thing on social media to say hang on, this is a complicated topic and i will take time to learn about it. it does not exist. >> no, it does not. we do think that the market forces at play. it makes for clicks, more views and more time spent engaging on social networking platforms and engaging with different media if somebody does have a hot take or if they are the

>> of controversy . it is a lot easier to invite the negative press in. the saying that there is no such press as bad press. to invite that criticism in and draw attention to yourself, the platform or whatever it is you are selling rather than saying i will engage in the hard work of finding out what i did wrong, who i offended and how i can make a repair. it is easier to be angry and skew the anger out. i think a lot of what we see on social media in particular is people feeling and releasing their feelings in ways that trigger algorithms and make it sound louder than it is. >> you said you did not subscribe to the concept of cancel culture. one of the things the film explores is people being drowned out or their voices being minimized has existed for all of time. there seems to be a different reaction when that force or

response comes from people who are otherwise marginalized. >> i have a chapter of this in my book. i talk about digital accountability practice. the fact that we are having this conversation is evidence that people in power feel differently when they are criticized by people who they are not use to listening to. cancel culture spread up from twitter in black circles when we were having jokes and sometimes holding him accountable for their ill practices toward black communities it crossed over and other people were roped into it and they thought they were being canceled. what we are talking about though is digital accountability practice. that is calling people whom you may not otherwise have the opportunity to call out and to say, you need to take accountability for this. and being able to reach them. we've seen that with political

figures, with celebrities and with folks who are just high profile and otherwise out of the reach of everyday people. they get very uncomfortable when they are confronted by people they otherwise would not have any regard for. >> the film features interviews with several comedians. some who have experienced this firsthand. the pushback on them. comedy and satire are intended to push the envelope in the boundaries of what is okay to say. sometimes it is at the cutting edge of how we think about rings. at what point does the idea of cancellation start to cross -another want to call it censorship or free-speech issues. the concept of that is what satire or comedy has been to us. >> it does not start to cross over into censorship or free- speech issues. as a journalism professor and proponent of the first amendment, i had to remind people that the first amendment is about government censorship.

that is laws that are being passed across the country right now that stifle teaching of unpopular ideas. we are seen taking place with critical race theory across the country. we are also seeing efforts across the country to silence diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives that is censorship. that is a violation of the first amendment. what we are talking about with comedians is again, being held accountable and told not to punch down on people. so often, the comedians we are talking about are people who are targeting and making the >> of their jokes already marginalized groups. specifically, the example with trans women, black trans women in particular. dave chapelle has been guilty of a lot of this. the group is highly targeted. they are murdered at higher rates than others. it is not just a simple joke to

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last year, connie vickers was strolling the community facebook page which he saw a photo of a familiar face.

judd blevins, candidate for city council in her town of enid, oklahoma. in the photo, he was holding a tiki torch alongside white supremacists at the 2017 unite the right rally in charlotte spoke with virginia. his ties to white supremacist groups had been published by right wing lunch, as well as a local city newspaper. somehow, that information did not gain enough traction in enid, a conservative stronghold in oklahoma. connie knew she had to take action. a week after seeing the facebook post, she and her friend nancy confronted him at a candidate forum. connie and nancy told my colleague what he said to them during the encounter. >> mister blevins, we have been following the campaign and there have been some reports about possible connections with white supremacy to tell us about that? connie pulls out her sign and says, so, this is not you? his face turned beet red. oh, so that is what this is

about. >> for the record, nbc news has confirmed that blevins had former membership in the white nationalist group. the mayor and city attorney says blevins took responsibility for making posts on white supremacist forms. blevins ended up winning the election in february 23 by 36 votes. connie and nancy, and you to bring attention to him and his ties to what the processed groups. with blevins now on the city council, it was all the more reason to report to the community. >> if we tolerate one the city government, then the people that recruited him stand ready to recruit more and he stands ready to bring in more and more. for you know it, are town will be led by nazis. i feel our democracy is at

stake throughout the country. >> together, with a few other community members connie and nancy called a meeting with members. out of the meeting, new organization, the enid social justice committee. they passed out flyers and hosted pigments and knocked on doors across the city, all to bring attention to blevins' actions and the fact that there was a what the processed on the city council. in fall 2023 they began collecting signatures for a vote to oust blevins from the city council seat. this past tuesday, voters in enid decided to remove judd blevins from city council over his ties to white nationalist groups connie vickers came across the photo randomly. a small act of courage helped to protect democracy in her entire city. connie vickers joins me now. the founding member of the enid social justice committee and one of the first to raise concerns about judd blevins' ties to what the processed groups. thank you for what you have

done. let's talk about how this started. where you are from, enid, a politically conservative place. pretty easy as a democrat to assume your vote and political activism will not make a dent at all. why did you think it would? >> i did not know if it would or not, but we started out by attending the meeting hoping we would make a difference. after the forum, father james neal, the one that organized us and got us together. a week after the forum, he had a week -- meeting. he met with nora norwood and we had john gray and they organized enid social justice club and we started having meetings. >> none of my viewers will know the people you just named. that is the point. just regular people that live around you and we would not know their names. >> correct. we had a very diverse group of

people. at our first meeting we have 100 people come. there was lg dbq -- lgbtq, black, white, very religious people and atheists. a very diverse group, but we came together for one reason. >> blevins lost his seat. we were following this closely tuesday night. he still has a large number of supporters in enid despite the evidence. you took that picture of him when he was denying his participation. tell me what that means for your city. the point i am making is your work is not over. >> correct. it was quite surprising with the votes he got knowing what they should know. a lot of people say they did not know. a lot of people are in denial and say they do not believe it. we will keep fighting the battle and trying to inform people.

we will be working on other social issues. >> i wanted to show the conversation you had with my colleague where you and nancy were holding the photo that you showed to blevins. when you found that image and decided to confront judd blevins, you did not do it alone. you and nancy have gotten closer through political organizing. i want my viewers to see this clip. >> and now->> best friends. >> we are best these and people look at us like a unit. >> talk to me about having people who are willing to stand alongside you like nancy did. >> that was a great part about it. i have brought the poster and we listen through the form and nobody asked a question. i don't the guy would have gone up without nancy and nancy said she would not go up without me. like i said, it snowballed with father james neal starting the ball and getting it organized

with all of these people. it has been a very big group effort. everybody doing something. whether people posting on facebook- we attended meetings. we went to city council meetings. we had cookouts. we had huge protest rally in may when he was installed as a city councilmember. >> to get a good thing that was pretty negative and it turned into motivation for political participation. where does that take you now? now mean to you? >> we just continue to fight. we've been asked in our oklahoma democratic party. they supported the polling, and we will still continue with our social justice committee. >> does it feel positive at this point? in other words you were fighting something with a negative. you had a ngwhite supremacist o your city council. does it feel there are

participants in democracy? >> yes. i think that we have all coming to. our group has come together like a big family, but also we've learned the republicans in our city are decent, you ce know, reasonable republicans. >> you're now finding that it doesn't have to be partisan that they could look at this and say this is wrong or too far, this is not where we would want to be as republicans or democrats? >> correct. this is a non-partisan position to begin with. and they made it a partisan. but she's very, we know her because she trained us to work on the election poll. ai she is just a very kind person. that she has done so many things. >> well thank you very much, connie for the example you set for others and for joining us this morning. connie vicars is with the social justice committee. as you all know, i feel

strongly, the small act of courage , to which a problem seems overwhelming that it is the title of my new book, whichm comes out on may 7. i'll be on the road in a number of cities to meet many of you and discuss the ideas in the book. i'll keep you posted in the details. in the meantime i'm post information on my social platforms. you can find me on x, facebook, linkedin, post news. and that does it for me. thank you for watching. don't forget velshi is available on the podcast. you can catch me every saturday and sunday morning from 10:00 a.m. to noon eastern. stay :0right where you are. inside with jen psaki begins right now. move over captain america. the man facing foreign indictments on 80 plus charges wants you to believe he's the candidate that will be toughest on crime.

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