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candidate against crime. yet, part of his grand plan includes freeing violent criminals. as he falsely claims, client is worth than ever, it's worth taking a look at what's really going on. i'll talk about it with former secretary of homeland security terry. trumps legal troubles with eight days to go from the expected start of his criminal trial in new york, trumps attorneys are now asking the judge to recuse himself. our in-house law firm is here to break down his latest delay tactic. plus, as president biden visits the scene of the collapsed key bridge in baltimore and honors the victims killed, donald trump still, secretary pete buttigieg joined me to talk about the bizarre reaction we've seen from some on the right. okay. if elected, donald trump wants to exact revenge, become a nts dictator on day one, stay out

of prison, of course, and apparently fight crime. >> new york city is a crime den. chicago is a crime den. >> crime is rampant, by the way. >> killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen. crime is rampant and out-of- control like never, ever before. we have vicious crimes, violent crimes. you take a look at your cities. we have to get law and order back. we have to get back to law and order. we will restore law and order to our country. we would love to have a statistic where crime is down, 60 7%. hours is only going in one direction. >> here's the thing. in most places, it's going in the opposite direction. new data shows that murder is down an average of 20% across 180 cities so far this year. that follows data from the fbi showing the reported violent crime dropped 6% across the board from 2022 to 2023.

of course, with crime statistics come caveats. not every crime is reported, not every community is experiencing a drop off in crime. right here in washington, d.c. where i'm sitting right now, while murder is down 30% so far this year, 2023 was the cities deadliest year in decades. this is not to suggest crime is not a problem, it's just not a problem in the way that donald trump says it is. the more you dig into the data, the more egregious his lies become. for example, trump says crime is surging in big cities. he says it a lot. in reality, violent crime dropped in cities with populations over 1%, over 1 million, by 11%. trump often calls out rampant crime unit new york city specifically. in reality, major crime has plummeted by more than 75% over the past 30 years. it's even down this year, over the last year.

trump also claims, he claims this a lot, that he would be tougher on crime den president joe biden. in reality, trumps slashed budget for when he was president when he was doing budgets proposed funding cuts for local law enforcement. you could say that's literally trying to defund the police, you could say that. president biden has consistently in all of his budgets proposed far more in funding. trump claims all the time that he will restore law and order. you heard it over and over again in that clip, which is pretty rich considering trump is also telling us that one of his highest priorities on day one is actually releasing criminals from prison. namely these people. the people who stormed the u.s. capitol, who infiltrated the hallways of chambers of congress, who made lawmakers fear for their lives. and who tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power by force. he wants to release the people who violently assaulted police officers with bats, clubs, pepper spray, fire

extinguishers, leading to concussions, cracked ribs, and other severe injuries. people like daniel ball, who through an explosive device into a tunnel of officers who were fighting to hold back the mob. or edward kelly, who was charged with plotting to murder fbi employees after his initial release on january 6th charges. or taylor toronto, who later showed up outside barack obama's home with guns after trump posted his address. or daniel rodriguez, who drove a stun gun into the neck of former metropolitan police officer. mr. law and order, as he calls himself, who has centered his re-election campaign on fear mongering about violent crime, wants amnesty for violent criminals. that's one of his day one priorities for the country, he says it all the time. that fact should not be lost on the american public as they weigh their options this november. don't just take it from me, his republican strategist karl

rove. >> take the january 6th and go hard at it, and they would say, he wants to pardon these people who attacked our capital. i worked in that building as a young man. to me, the congress of the united states is one of the great examples of the strength of our democracy, and the jewel of the constitution, and what those people did when they violently attacked the capital in order to stop a constitutionally mandated meeting of the congress to accept the results of the electoral college is a stain on our history, and everyone who did that, we ought to find them, try them, and send them to jail. and one of the critical mistakes made in this campaign is that donald trump has now said i'm going to pardon those people because they're hostages. no, they're not. they're thugs. >> joining me now is former secretary of homeland security under president barack obama, she is also the founding

faculty member of the berkeley center for security in politics. secretary, thank you so much for taking the time, and i want to start by saying facts are so important here, that's important to take into it's one of the reasons i'm excited to talk to you this afternoon. i just debunked some of the things trump is pushing about crime, he says crime is worse than ever when in most places in the u.s. it's going down. it is going up in some places, it has in washington, d.c. over the last year but it's gone down a little recently. you served as homeland security secretary and i want your take on this as well. what are you seeing when it comes to truck crime trends? where is it actually down, where there places that are concerning? >> first of all, for former president trump to run as a so- called law and order candidate, it would be like me saying i play in the nba. it just doesn't hold true. so, look. there was a terrific spike in

violent crime, really during the end of the trump presidency, when we were in the midst of the covid pandemic. but since then, crime has been coming down, in some years dramatically so last year, 2023 saw the largest one-year decrease in violent crime nationwide, that we've had since 1960. so to say that we are awash in violent crime, that it's going up, et cetera, never let the facts get in the way of rhetoric i guess. but the facts are the facts. >> no question. it's important to discuss them. i want to talk about migrant crimes specifically. you've done it many things in your career and your a former governor of a border state, and there have been heartbreaking stories, republicans have been pushing that as evidence that migrant crime is a major driver of crime. there are tragic cases, let's talk about that specifically and what the facts are actually, here, on migrant crime.

>> so, look. making an overall argument about crime from one terrible case, and it is a terrible case, and my heart goes out to the family, and to the friends of the victim. but to make an overall national argument that we are awash in violent crime caused by migrants, again, it just doesn't comply with the facts. there have been dozens of studies done that show that migrants in the united states, those born outside the united states who now live here, actually commit crime at lower rates than nativeborn americans. again, the data is very clear on this score, and it can't be repeated enough. >> i agree, it's important that people understand the details. the thing is, you've run for office, despite what the data shows, which we've been talking

about, the fact that crime is going down in most places is not registering with the public. gallup poll found that 77% of americans believe crime rates are worsening. i have my own views on why that statistic is the case, but what do you think? why is it not registering with the public? >> i think a couple things. one is, you never see the press covering a crime that didn't occur. the only thing that's going to get covered is when there's a homicide, when there's an armed robbery. you're not going to see a story on the local news saying walgreens wasn't shoplifted today. part of it is the media environment in which crime sits. you only cover it when it happens. and i think that's a big part of it, because as you know in politics, perception becomes reality, and the media helps create that perception. and when you have a leading

candidate for president, that's repeating it and repeating it, no matter how inaccurate it is, that just reinforces it. >> no question about it. the fbi, as you know, currently ranks domestic political terrorism as a top threat in the country, and as you know, they take these things seriously, they look at the data. as you just referenced, this is coming at a time when the presumptive republican nominee, has repeatedly threatened judges, their family members, prosecuted elected officials, i can go on. from a law enforcement perspective, how much do you think his rhetoric is to blame for this, and people who are copying his rhetoric? >> it certainly doesn't help, for whatever reason, and there are many and i'm not a psychologist. so i can't explain it, but many people believe in what donald trump says, despite the data, despite the fact, despite the january 6th people who have

been convicted, who have pled guilty were criminals. for once i agree with karl rove, they're thugs. they attacked law enforcement, they attacked law enforcement officers. they tweeted our leading institution in the capital with utmost disrespect. they're patriots, they're not hostages. they art legitimately, with all due process rights described to them convicted of crimes. now they have to serve their punishment. to me, that's what law and order means. >> i do want to play, we played some of what karl rove had to say. it's important to remind people he was a top adviser to george w. bush. this isn't a democrat but i want to play another part of what he had to say and get your reaction to it. >> to me, it is a mistake on the part of the trump campaign, to allow the presidents impulses to identify himself with the people who assaulted the capital rather than people

who stand for law and order. >> this seems pretty clear to me, as the law and order candidate, is ludicrous given his record, what should democrats be saying about this, what would you advise people, how should they be calling this out? >> first of all, just layout that we are in the midst of a national record decrease in violent crime. so what's wrong with that? and more work needs to be done, we don't want any violent crime, and there are certain pockets in the country where the national trend hasn't held, more targeting and work needs to be done in those communities. let's acknowledge that, that this is a project that, in a way, never ends. to have someone say and position themselves of as a law

and order candidate when he himself is the subject of four criminal indictments, 90 some odd counts of serious felonies, you know? what do you do? i'm going to quote monty python, i scoff in your general direction. it just doesn't make any sense. >> no better way to end then on a monty python quote. secretary napolitano, thank you for joining us. so many details, real pleasure talking to you this afternoon. next, if i had to guess, donald trump is a pretty busy eight days ahead for him as he prepares for his first criminal trial in the hush money case. it's slated to start a week from tomorrow despite trump's best efforts to recuse judge juan mershon for a second time. the law firm is here to figure out what we should all be paying attention to in the case, after a quick break. afte.

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on friday, donald trump and his lawyers filed a motion asking the judge overseeing his criminal fraud trial in new york to recuse himself from the case. they're accusing the judge of political pipe bias and in

propriety, recycling similar claims about judge merchan's daughter that were already rejected in august. it's basically a last-ditch attempt by trump to delay his court proceedings, we've seen this before, which are set to begin in just eight days. so as we all prepare for the first criminal trial of a former president in u.s. history, it's important to take a moment to remind ourselves what exactly this is all about. we all know trump is charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records to silence adult film actress stormy daniels. that's why we often call it the hush money case. but as salacious as that sounds, it's not just about how trump covered up his alleged affair, it's about why. let's rewind, just for a second, the clock back to october of 2016. and the release of that infamous, horrible access hollywood tape. he was widely condemned in response to that by members of his own party, trump was, some pulled their endorsements and several called on him to drop out in the immediate aftermath. had the daniel story gone

public at that time, her revelations certainly could have further damaged. to pay for silence and cover it up wasn't just intended to save trump from personal embarrassment, the purpose as the indictment makes clear was to hide damaging information from the voting public. that's important to remember. joining me now is our in-house law firm, everyone's favorite legal eagles, the former acting u.s. solicitor general, andrew weissman is the former general counsel at the fbi and the senior member of special counsel robert mueller's team. let's start with this latest development, because on friday, as i just walk through, trump's team attended to delay this further by accusing the judge of bias, because his daughter is involved with political work. clearly there's not a lot of bases there, or no basis. i know you have said that, is this just to sow doubt? what is the play?

>> there's no basis, and let me start by saying that as someone who actually pays his taxes, i'm glad to see april 15th actually having some consequence for donald trump, that will be the date of the trial will start, i think it will start, despite this last- minute attempt to delay. i don't think it's going to be delayed. trump's decision all throughout his legal strategy, his first lie, then to lie, then delay, we're on the delay phase of this, his last-ditch effort to say the judge is getting kickbacks for money from his daughter, through this. it's something that's preposterous, something that was rejected by the new york court and the ethics committee earlier. i think it's going nowhere, we will see that trial begin, and i strongly suspect donald trump will be conducted at the end of that trial, and that will be the first former president to have been convicted criminally, and it may even rethink states to rethink their felon

disenfranchisement laws. >> there's a lot to watch which is important for people to remember. he's charged as i noted with falsifying business records, but we forget, this is why it was so important to walk through it, that this was to conceal his motive, to essentially hold back information from voters. what do you think, i'm asking you to go meta-, here, what do you think this tells us about, i don't know what he's capable of, or how he might approach this moving forward. >> i think we saw the same strategy that he used in 2016, as alleged, we saw it in connection with the first impeachment with his effort to get ukraine to say that they were doing an investigation into the bidens. that's all he cared about, he wanted the appearance of an investigation. we then saw in his efforts with jeffrey clark at the department of justice, he wanted them to

say that there was an investigation into fraud. all of these are efforts to mislead the public in an election. i'd say the big difference between the allegations in 2016 that are going to go to trial and what we're seeing now is a little bit like what you covered with janet napolitano, the brazenness that now he's openly saying there's no shame, i'm not going to fire paul manafort because of allegations about what he did in ukraine. i'm going to run on pardoning people who have had due process, as janet toledano put out, so he's become more brazen, but it's the same strategy. >> the brazenness is such, speaking of brazenness, he compared himself to nelson mandela. in the last 24 hours. he said he was willing to go to trail, he's attacked judge merchan despite the gag order,

how does this impact? this seems like an obvious question, how does this impact his case? >> nelson mandela is a step down from his earlier comparison to jesus christ. msnbc you can't make it up sometimes. >> legally none of this is going anywhere. that's the beauty of the american criminal justice system, 12 jurors, rules of evidence and the like, and these nonsense arguments go nowhere. that's why i suspect he'll be convicted and even despite judge cannon's machinations in florida in the stolen documents investigation, should that case go to trial, she's trying to make it so it may not but if it does go to trial he's going to be convicted almost certainly there as well. >> we will see and we will watch, we only have a minute left, but your professional and i have to ask you about judge cannon. judge cannon, she rejected trump's motion to dismiss the case, but she won't rule on drums false arguments, leaves it hanging out there that his personal property could be part

of, it violates, it doesn't violate the presidential records act, if you're jack smith, what do you do, what can you do in this case? >> i think he has to push her for a pretrial ruling. he cannot wait for this to be resolved at trial, because jeopardy attaches. i suspect that we're going to see the continued effort to get a ruling, and then if she does not rule, i think there will be some sort of an appeal whether it's technically an appeal or mandamus, i won't get into that, but i think that he has to push for these pretrial rulings, because of her conduct, here. >> everyone is going to learn that term, you should google it now. i'm sure we'll be talking about it soon. thank you so much, andrew weissman, always great to talk to you both and help us make sense of things. next i'll talk to the president and ceo of the international

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33,000 people. two thirds of whom are women and children. famine now looms over the 2.2 million palestinians in the region as well. the secretary-general of the united nations warned again on friday that palestinian children are dying of starvation and dehydration. make no mistake, the humanitarian situation on the ground in gaza is appalling and devastating. it was further exacerbated on monday when seven aid workers with the world central kitchen were killed in an israeli air strike in gaza. that attack prompted president biden to call israeli prime minister netanyahu to warn him that the united states continued support depends on israel and lamenting new steps to protect civilians and aid workers. israel says it will open additional aid routes to gaza and increased deliveries in desperate need of help. that's a step forward. far more is needed. at this point the question is how much aid is needed to stem what is a growing humanitarian crisis, what can be done to ensure it's moving forward?

join me now is someone who knows about this, talk through it, the president and ceo of the international rescue committee. i'm so grateful to you to making the time this morning. we've heard a growing number of calls which is a good thing for more aid to get through to gaza from a long list of world leaders including president biden, members of congress. as you know better than most, there was a massive difference between a few trucks over a few days and what is actually needed. talk to me about what would be needed to address, start to address the humanitarian crisis on the ground? >> thanks for having me on, your intro did a great job of framing the conversation. one thing you said, though, that an announcement of new aid crossings and new port of entry, were going to improve things. no. only action will improve

things. and what i would make to your viewers today, and to you as well as to recognize that things have got worse, not better over the last week. they continue to get worse, it's now three weeks, independent organization, independent classification system, at catastrophic levels of hunger and facing famine. that has not been rectified, in terms of understanding the scale of this, it's a very imperfect metric, but one metric is that pre-october 7, which that was the precipitating event for this part of the conflict, it was in the precipitating event of the whole israel palestine, but for this phase of conflict, this conflict. before then, 500 trucks of aid were going in every day. in january we were down to 200, in february there was even lower levels, half the levels. this is cumulative, famines don't happen fast, they haven't slowly. where you have famine, you have

illness, where you have famine and illness you have desperation. you have famine, illness, and desperation you have disorder, and in gaza you got that with 2.2 million civilians, and that's why so many are at risk of death today. >> i'm so glad you said action is different from verbal conviction or promises, this is so true, in global diplomacy, actions and exponentially increasing the aid is what's important. i want to play for you, world central kitchen founder, he spoke about this this morning, i wanted to play a clip for you and get your reaction to that as well. >> this is not any more about the seven men, women of world central kitchen that paris on this is happening for too long. it's been six months of targeting anything. this doesn't seem a war against

terror. this doesn't seem any more a war about defending israel. he is really at this point seems it's a war against humanity itself. >> i would note that the u.n. secretary-general has called for investigations into the debts of all 196 aid workers. it's important for people to know it's not just seven, they are all tragic but there's additional. what's your reaction to what he had to say? do you agree? >> on the 18th of january, the guesthouse of international aid for palestinians was hit by an israeli missile, 15 people were injured, very fortunately none were killed, we warned at the time to the so-called deconfliction system is meant to protect humanitarian aid workers from competence wasn't working. so you're absolutely right to say this terrible incident this week is only one of many. that should alert us to the need for 180 degree turn in the way we understand the rights of civilians and aid workers in

conflicts. it's not an act of beneficent generosity of competence in conflict to allow aid through or not to kill aid workers. it's a fundamental legal right established after 1945. the great danger is that we treat the access for workers, as something that is a gift, no, it's a right and it's been lost, it's been lost in tragic circumstances. there are still 130 hostages as you rightly say, six months from the terrible events of october 7th, and it's absolutely vital that we understand that now is the time for action, people on the ground are in a state of absolute desperation. we have our own surgical team in one of the few hospitals it's working, we are partners trying to reach people in northern gaza, this is beyond desperate, and secretary blinken called for an inflection point in comments on friday, it's not only up to the united states, but the u.s. has

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government fully rebuilt the entire bridge. in quite a contrast, donald trump has remained silent about baltimore. no condolences for the victims, no statements to acknowledge that this tragedy even occurred. it's been about 12 days since the bridge collapse. for someone who likes to brag about being a big builder whose a lot of things, it was the presidential nominee for a major party, trump's silence is not normal. that's important to state, and it says a lot about how he would treat tragedies in places like baltimore. joining me now is the secretary of transportation, pete buttigieg. let me start with this visit, president biden, no surprise to either of us, he exhibited empathy, people lost their lives, people are mourning their family members. the president vowed that the federal government will pay the entire cost of rebuilding it. what does that look like? >> the president responded characteristically with humanity and compassion. but also with clear direction about what has to happen next,

having sat across the desk in the oval office as he's grilling me and the admiral for the coast guard about what's next and how he can get baltimore ready, he's very focused on what that's going to take. this is a major operation in two respects, first getting the channel back open which is the only way to get to most of the port of baltimore. and something that will take longer but we need to do quickly, to get the bridge back up. that's going to take a lot of coordination, the coordination is underway, we have $60 million out from our department within hours of getting a request to get them started. that's a fraction of what it's going to take to replace that bridge, which is important for traffic getting across. meanwhile, the race to get the port open is on pretty soon by the end of april, we think the army corps will be able to get a 35 foot deep channel open, that's not the same as having it clear, but it's an important step on the road to normal, and means more of those vessels can

come through, and just as important means more of the workers in the port of baltimore can be back on the job earning their paychecks. >> these details are so important. these are things that impact people's lives tremendously. trump is running for president, he has yet to acknowledge the victims of the tragedy in baltimore who were fixing the potholes and the bridge at the time of the collapse. all of them were immigrants. i have my own views but why do you think he's said absolutely nothing? >> i'll take care to avoid talking about campaigns well i'm sitting here but at a human level, it would be helpful for the former president to weigh in, here, and show the solidarity that we have seen from most, if not all elected officials on either side of the aisle. because of the human nature of what happened, the fact that you have these six people who lost their lives, the seventh seriously injured, who were out there doing the work that all of us count on but don't always think about. that was a chilly night, they were out filling potholes, mending the road, getting the bridge squared away well most

everybody else was sleeping so it would be ready for traffic in the morning. we count on so many workers in this country, many of them immigrants, to do these vitally important in restrictor jobs, they're not glamorous, not the highest paying jobs in the country, but they are absolutely essential. i think at a human level, showing regard for that is important. that's what, characteristically, president biden was doing on friday. >> there are few people better at debunking than you, and there has been an ongoing meme in the right-wing push that this is about dei. in companies. breakdown the absurdity, and why is that the message they are pushing? >> this is another of those moments were all they have is a hammer and everything looks like a culture war. this isn't about women and minorities, this is about a bridge that was struck by a ship. we saw something similar with the alaska airlines and boeing incident. i don't understand the mentality of someone who sees

an issue like this. that was a very physical, direct infrastructure issue, and their first thought is how can i make this about women and minorities? this isn't about politics, it's not about culture wars, it's about safety, transportation, infra structure. all of which is what president biden made a priority of when he came into office pushing the infrastructure legislation that's about things like making sure that our bridges and for that matter our airports are stronger, including making them more resilient to disasters, natural and man-made. there's never been funding on a dedicated level for there to be investments in highways and bridges to make them more resilient, until president biden structure plan went through. that's what the focus ought to be. there's nothing, or there should be nothing ideological or partisan about helping a community get through a tragedy like this. >> no question. everybody cares about potholes and their bridges and commute

times. there's a new york times analysis out this morning that found that, this won't be a surprise to you but dozens of critical bridges across the country lack protection systems that make them vulnerable to a ship strike like what happened here. what needs to be done to ensure these bridges are protected? there's many of them across the country. >> there's two things, one is the right standards for bridges being built now and going forward. there has been a lot of evolution even since 1980 when there was a similar collapse in tampa which prompted a lot of rethinking about how bridges are designed and built. the problem is bridges in this country are up for 50, 70, 100 years or more. which means we are driving on bridges today that might have been designed 100 years ago. while some of those are being replaced, not all of those are being completely replaced. they need to be reinforced and shored up, you have devices or features that can go around the peers of a bridge were that's a critical support, often you

hear about dolphins or offenders or islands. i have to say, when you see what happened in baltimore, there are very few mitigations that could have withstood a direct impact. it did have some features that obviously did not prevent this right now, and i have to say, when you're at the site as we were on friday, in some ways it looks exactly like it does on television. the one thing it doesn't come across on television is the mass of this ship. it is almost as big as the span of the bridge itself. that came down. when you see it you see how that was no match for this chip, which is why there's two things that are being worked on and two things we will learn about from the ntsb investigation. half of it have to do with bridges and how they can be stronger, but half of it has to do with vessels and making sure that this kind of collision cannot happen in the first place, and that's where we are closely watching the ntsb's work, they're independent from us by design for very good

reasons, but we have an enormous interest in what they find so that shipping can be safer and fewer of these collisions can happen in the first place. they're extremely rare but the goal has to be zero. >> absolutely. is brought to light the bridges that need work and repair across the country. i have more to ask you, thank you for sticking around, we have to sneak in a quick break and we'll be right back. s at te and controls them for 12 hours. it's comeback season. stubborn chest congestion? try mucinex 12 hour.

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than the year before. sometimes when these debates happen, it's the early 2000's and i'm talking to people who think that we can just have landline phones forever. >> so you are the master of pushing back on this information, i will say. i know you're not going to get into campaigns and politics, but the years prior to president biden's administration were better for the economy. how should people be pushing back on that argument? >> if you look at where we were four years ago, you couldn't buy toilet paper sometimes, we were dealing with so many issues, not just as a consequence of the pandemic, but if you look a little bit past that, the economy was growing but not as fast as it's

growing now. unemployment had come down but not as low as it is now. it's important to recognize where people are at, families have been through a lot. because a number on a page looks good doesn't mean people can feel it, anybody who's been in a relationship knows that if somebody is not feeling great the first and you say to them is not, you feel great. so, we've been through a lot as a country. having said that, we're also achieving a lot as a country, while there is a very well- funded noise machine trying to poke holes in those achievements, trying to talk down the economy and the things america has done, i think it reflects well on the president of the american people, under his leadership in the american economy under his leadership have added so many jobs, including, importantly, in areas like manufacturing, if you look at the latest above expectations job report, another hot jobs report last week. part of that came through construction which is a link to us seeing the earliest stages of the construction associated with the president's bipartisan infrastructure package. we need to keep pointing to

what's happening, and we need to connect the dots. there's a lot of places where local and state politicians may not be inclined to give the president credit for that. for example, red states, the bulk of the funding that the administration is spending on the roads probably came from president biden's and the structure package but a governor might not be in a hurry to slap signage on their reminding everybody about it. not just as a political banner but to remind americans that there are results coming out of legislation, being past when people do work together on a bipartisan basis. it's important to connect those dots, that's part of why you see me in my cabinet colleagues on the road all the time. the other thing i've noticed is when something is uncontroversial and unambiguously good, it gets less attention. we have to go out of our way to connect those dots of for people. we have to earn it, we have to make sure people see it by doing the work of laying out those links, and recognizing that this is the middle of a

trajectory, that we're still working to get people to a better place than we were in before. >> let me ask you something we started the show with, with secretary napolitano, about this notion that, i know you're not getting into campaigns but donald trump is arguing that violent crime is up everywhere and it's a disaster, and he will do better than president biden. is meanwhile suggesting he is going to free january 6th the defendants, people who were in jail, people who are part of the insurrection. talk to me a little bit about the contrast, here, president biden approach to law and order and approach to crime, and how it's being misconstrued out there. >> we got to think about where we were a few years ago, out this window you can see capitol hill. i remember what it was like moving here with our dogs, and not being able to get that close to the capital because it was surrounded with security fencing. in response to the violent attack on the capital that the

previous president's supporters had just perpetrated. those were the conditions in terms of security and law and order that president biden inherited. and in ordinary cities and streets, crime at an elevated level that had begun to happen under president trump. we need to talk about the reality, and again, there's a lot of funding and a lot of energy going into telling a different story. especially on ideological dues outlets and online. the simple facts and the simple reality are right here, staring us in the face including the fact that i can safely walk my dog to the capital today, in a way that you couldn't do when we all got here. something you shouldn't have to say, let's be clear, if you have been convicted by a jury of your peers for a violent crime, and you were incarcerated, you are not a hostage. >> very important point to end our conversation on, i appreciate you being here.

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