in half to 25 years to life. the conviction was a victory for dave's family yes but not want to celebrate. >> our faith calls us to forgive and we do. >> forget? no. not there superman. >> it is very difficult. i miss him every day. i think i will always grieve. he is always a part of me. it is hard. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. thank you for watching. watchin will be toughest on crime, and yet part of his grand plan

includes freeing criminals. it's worth taking a closer look at what's going on. i'll talk about it withg forme homeland secretary janet napolitano. >> our in-house law firm is here to break down his latest delay tactic. plus, as president biden visits baltimore, donald trump has still notre weighed in on i. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins me ahead about some of the bizarre reactions from the right. okay, so if elected, donald trump wants to exact revenge, become a dictator on day one, stay out of prison, of course, and apparently fight crime. >> new york city is a crime den.

chicago is a crime den. >> crime is rampant, by the way. >> killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen. >> crime is rampant and out of control like never, ever before. >> we have vicious crimes, violent crimes, you have all this. >> you take a look at your cities. your cities are going to hell. >> we have to get back to law and order. >> we have to restore law and order. >> we have to restore law and order to our country. >> wouldn't you love to have a statistic where crime is down 67%? ours is only going in one direction. >> so, here's the thing. in most places it's going in the opposite direction. new data shows murder is down an average of 6% and that follows data from the fbi that shows it dropped 6% across the board from 2022 to 2023. of course, with crime statistics

come caveats. not every crime is reported. not every community is experiencing a drop-off in crime at all. right here in washington, d.c., where i'm sitting right now, while murder is down 20%, 2023 was the deadliest year in decades. it's not to suggest crime is not a problem at all. it's just not a problem in the way donald trump says it is. the more you dig into all of the data, the more egregious his lies become. he says crime is surging in big cities. he says it a lot. in reality, violence dropped in cities with over 1 million by 11 percent. major crime hasen plummeted in w york city in the last 30 years by 5% and even in the last year. donald trump also claims -- i mean, he claims this a lot, he

would be tougher on crime than president joe biden. in reality, trump's last budget when he was president was focused onpr proposing cuts for law enforcement. you could say that's literally trying to defund the police.he while president biden has consistently inbi all of his budgets proposed far more funding. you heard over and over and over again trump would restore law and order. he also tells us one of his highest priorities on day one is actually releasing criminals from ngprison, namely these people, the people who stormed the u.s. capitol, who made lawmakers fear for their lives and tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power by force. he wants to release the people who violently assaulted police officers with bats, clubs, pepper s,spray, flagpoles, and fire extinguishers, leading to concussions, cracked ribs, and

other severe injuries. people like daniel ball who threw an explosive device into a tunnel of officers whoic were fighting to hold back the mob. or edward kelly who was charged with plotting to murder fbi employees after his initial release on january 6th charges. or taylor toronto who later showed up outside barack obama's house with guns after trump posted hisr address. or daniel rodriguez who drove a stun gun into the neck of former metropolitan police officer michael fanom. he wants amnesty for violent criminals. he wants itle for the country. that fact should not be lost on the american public as they weigh their options this november. don't just take it from me. here's republican strategist karl rove. >>ra if they were smart, they'd take thee january 6th and go hd

at it and they would say, he wants to pardon these people who attacked our capitol. i worked in that building as a young man. to me, the congress of the united states is one of the great examples of the strength of our democracy and a jewel of the constitution, and what those people did when they violently stormed the capitol when they tried to stop a meeting of congress to accept the results of the electoral college is a stains on every one of those sons of [ bleep ]. we ought to find them, try them, and send them to jail. and if one of the critical mistakes in the campaign is trump said he's going to pardon them because they're hostages, no, they're not. they're thugs. >> joining me now, janet napolitano. she's also the founding faculty member of the berkeley center for security and politics.

secretary napolitano, thank you so much for taking the time. i want to start out by saying facts are so important here. that's somp important to dig in and it's onean of the reasons i really excited to talk to you this edafternoon. i just debunked some of the things trump is pushing about crime. he said it's worse than ever when it's going down. it's gone up in washington, d.c. the last year, but it's gone down a little bit. you served as homeland secretary. i want your take on this as well. what are you seeing when it comes to crime trends right now? where is it actually down and where are there places that are concernaring concerning? >> first of all, for trump to run as a so-called law enforcement candidate would be like me saying i play for the nba. >> me too. >> it just doesn't hold true. look, there was a terrific spike in violent crime, really during the end of the trump presidency

when we were in the midst of a covid pandemic. but since then crime has been coming down in some years dramatically so. last year, 2023 saw the largest one-yeares decrease in violent crime nationwide than we've had sincee around 1960. to say we are a wash in violent crime, that it's going up, look, never let the facts get in the way ofge rhetoric, i guess, but the facts are the facts. >> no question, and that's why it's so important to discuss them. i want to talk about migrant crimesbo specifically. you were also the former governor of a border state. there have been heartbreaking stories like that of laken riley. republicans have been pushing b that. there are tragic cases, but let's talk about that specifically and what the facts are specifically hear on migrant crime.

>> so, look, making an overall argument about crime from one terrible case -- and it's a terrible case, and my heart goes out to the family and to the friends of the victim, but to make an overall statement that we are awash in violent crime by migrants doesn't comply with the facts. those born outside the united states who now live here actually commit crime at lower rates than native born americans, so, you know, again, the data is very clear on this score, and it can't be repeated enough. >> i agree, absolutely.ee it's important to understand the details here. the thing is -- you obviously ran for office and do all these things. the fact that crime is going down in most places is not

registering with the public. a gallup poll from this fall found that 77% of americans believe crime rates are worsening. i mean, i have my own views on why that statistic is the case, because what do you think? why is it not registering with the public? >> well, i think a couple of things. one is, you never see the press covering a crime that didn't occur. the only thing that's going to get covered is when there is a homicide, when there is an armed robbery. you're not going to see a lede story saying walgreens was shoplifted today. you only cover it when it happens, and i think that's a big part ofhi it. as you know in politics, perception becomes reality, and the media helps create the perception. and when you have a leading candidate for president who is repeating it, repeating it, repeating it no matter how

inaccurate it is, that just reinforces it. >> no question about it. the fbi as you know currently ranks domestic political terrorism as a top threat in the country. as you well know, they take these things seriously. they look at all the data. as you just referenced, this is coming on the time when the republican e nominee, four-times-indicted donald trump, they've throatened family members, prosecutors, elected officials, i can go on. c but from a law enforcement perspective, how much do you think his rhetoric is to blame for this and people copying his rhetoric? >> it certainly doesn't help. and, you know, for whatever reason, and there are many and i'm not a psychologist, so i can't explain it, but many people believe in what donald trump says, despite the data, despite the facts, despite the january 6th people who have been

convicted, who have pled guilty, were criminals. for once i agree with karl rove. they're thugs. they attacked law enforcement. they attacked law enforcement officers. they disrupted the congress of the united states. they treated our leading institution in the capitol with utmost disrespect. they're not patriots. they're not hostages. . they're legitimately with all due process rights ascribed to them convicted of crimes, and now they have to serve their punishment. to me, that's what law and order means. >> we played some of what karl rove had to say. he t was an adviser for bush. not a democrat, far from it. but i want to play what he said and get your ayreaction to me. >> to me it's a mistake on the part of the trump campaign to allow t impulses to identify himself as people who assaulted

the capitol rather than people who stood for law and order. >> this seems pretty clear to me. trump running as law and order candidate is ludicrous given his record. how should people be calling this out? >> well, first of all, just lay out that we are in the midst of a national record decrease in violent crime, so what's wrong with that? and, look, more work needs to be done. we don't want any violent crime, and there are certain pockets in the country where the national trend hasn't held. more work and targeting needs to be done in those communities. let's acknowledge that, that this is a project that in a way never ends. but to have someone say and position themselves as a law and order candidate when he himself is the subject of four criminal indictments, 90-some-odd counts

of serious felony charges, you know, what do you do? i'm going to quote monte python. i scoff in your general die recollection. i mean it just doesn't make any sense. >> no better way to end than on a monte python quote. janet napolitano, thanks for joining us. so many facts. a real pleasure talking to you this afternoon. next, ifto i had to guess, donald trump has a pretty busy eight days ahead of him as he prepares for his criminal try in the late hush money case. the law firm is here to help us figure out what we should all be paying attention to in the case after a quick break. attention after a quick break.

on friday, donald trump and his lawyers filed a motion asking the judge overseeing his criminal fraud trial in new york to recuse himself from the case.

they're recue -- accusing the judge of political bias and comments that were rejected in april. it's basically a last-ditch attempt by donald trump to delay his court proceedings -- we've seen this before -- which is set to begin in just eight days. as we all prepare for a trial by a former president, the first in u.s. history, it's important to take a look at what this is all about. we all know he's charged with 34 counts. that's why we often call it the hush money case. but as salacious as it sounds, it's not just about how trump covered up his alleged affair, it's about why. let's remind you for a second, the clock back to 2016 and the release of that infamous horrible "access hollywood" tape. he was widely condemned in response to that by members of

his own party, trump was, some even pulled their endorsements and some called for him to drops out in the immediate aftermath. had the daniels story gone public at that time, her revelations could have certainly covered trump's candidacy. so the scheme to pay and cover it up wasn't to save him personal embarrassment. the purpose was to hide damaging information from the voting public, and that's important to remember. joining me now is our in-house law firm, the former solicitor general and part of robert mueller's team. let's start with the latest development. on friday as i walked through, trump's team attempted to delay this further by accusing the judge of bias because his daughter is involved in political work.

clearly there's not a lot of basis there. is this just to sow doubt? what is the play here? >> you're absolutely right, jen. as someone who actually pays his taxes, i'm glad to see april 15th having some consequence for donald trump. that will be the day the trial will start. i suspect -- i think it will start, despite this last-minute attempt to delay. i mean trump's delay -- >> you don't think it will be delayed. >> i don't think it will be delayed. his all out strategy is first lie, deny, and then delay. we're on the delay phase. it's his last-ditch effort for him to say the judge is getting kickbacks through his daughter or something through this. it's something that's preposterous. i think it's going nowhere. we will see that trial again and i strongly suspect donald trump will be convicted at the end of the trial.

he's be the first former president convicted criminally. >> it's important to watch. andrew, he's charged with falsifying business records, but we forget that this was to conceal his motive, which was to essentially hold back information from voters here. what do you think? i'm asking you to go a little meta here. what do you think this tells us of what he's capable of or how he might approach this moving forward? >> well, i think we saw the same strategy that he used in 2016 as alleged. we saw it in connection with the impeachment -- the first impeachment with his effort to get ukraine to say they wanted

an investigation. we saw it in his efforts with jeffrey clark at the department of justice. he wanted them to say that there was an investigation into fraud. all of these are efforts to mislead the public in an election. i'd say the big difference between the allegations in 2016 that are going to go to trial and what we're seeing now is a little bit like what you covered with janet napolitano. it's just the brazenness that now he's openly saying, you know what? there's no shame. i'm not going to fire a paul manafort because of allegations of what he did in ukraine. in fact, i'm going to hire a felon. i'm going to run on pardoning people who have had due process as janet napolitano so rightly put out. he's become, really, much more brazen, but it's become a strategy. >> brazenness is such a good -- speaking of brazenness, he compared himself to nelson mandela in the last 24 hours.

he said he was willing to go to jail. he's, of course, attacked judge mershon despite the gag order. how does this impact -- it seems like an obvious question, but how does this impact his case? >> nelson mandela is a step down from his comparison to jesus christ, but legally none of this is going anywhere. you know, that's the beauty of the american criminal justice system. it's 12 jurors, rules of evidence and the like, and these kinds of nonsense arguments go nowhere, and so that's why i suspect he'll be convicted and despite judge cannon's machinations of the stolen documents down in florida and it goes to trial, he's going to be convicted there certainly as well. >> we will see and we will watch. andrew, we only have about a minute left, but you're a professional. i have to ask. judge cannon rejected trump's

motion to dismiss the case, but she still won't rule on his false arguments that his personal property could be part of his -- it doesn't violate the presidential records. if you're jack smith, what do you do? what can you do in this case? >> i think he has to push her for a pretrial ruling. he cannot wait for this to be resolved at trial because jeopardy attaches then. i suspect we're going to see that continued effort to get a ruling. and then if she does not rule, i think this will be some sort of an appeal, whether it's technically called an appeal or mandamus. i won't get into that morass, but i think we have to get into the pretrial rulings because of his conduct. >> everyone needs to learn that term. everyone will be googling it.

thank you so much. next i'll talk with the president and ceo of the rescue committee on how much the humanitarian crisis worsened this week following the deaths of those who worked in the world kitchen. and the latest from baltimore on the bridge collapse. i'll ask secretary pete buttigieg why the president won't even acknowledge the tragedy. e president won't even acknowledge the tragedy.

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there's new reporting this weekend out about the biden administration's growing concerns over iran, particularly whether iran will strike targets inside israel in retaliation for the israeli air strikes in syria this week that killed several senior iranian officials. now, there's no question this further complicates what is already an incredibly dire situation on the ground. today, of course, marngs six months since hamas's attack on israel. the death toll in gaza has now surpassed 33,000 people,

two-thirds of whom are women and children. famine looms over palestinians in the region as well. it was warned again that palestinian children are dying of starvation and dehydration. make no mistake. the humanitarian situation on the ground is appalling and devastating, and it was further exacerbated on monday when several aid workers were killed in gaza. that caused a call to netanyahu. they'll increase delivery to those in desperate need of help. that's a step forward, but far more is needed. at this point, how much aid is needed to actually stem what is a growing humanitarian crisis, what can be done to ensure it's moving forward? and joining me now is someone who knows all about this to talk

through it, david milliban. i'm so grateful to you making the time this morning. we've heard a growing number of calls, which is a good thing, for more aid to get to gaza from a long list of world leaders including president biden and members of congress. as you well know, there's a massive difference between a few trucks over a few days and what is actually needed. talk to me about what would actually be needed or start to address what is a devastating and growing humanitarian crisis on the ground? >> thank you for having me on. your intro did a great job of framing the conversation. one thing that you said, that an announcement of new aid crossings and a new port of entry were going to improve things. no. only action will improve things. the comment i would make to your viewers today and to you as well

is to recognize things have gotten worse, not better over the last week in gaza and they continue to get worse. it's now three weeks since an independent organization, classification system said that a million people were at catastrophic levels of hunger and facing famine. that has not been rectified. in terms of understanding the scale of this, one, it's a very imperfect metric. but one metric is preoctober 7th, which as you rightly say, that was the precipitating events for this part of the conflict. it wasn't part of the whole cycle but this phase of conflict, this conflict. before that, about 500 trucks a day were going in every day. in january we were down to 200. in february there was even lower levels, about half the levels. and this is cumulative. famines don't happen fast. they happen slowly. the way you have famine, you have illness. where you have famine and illness, you have desperation.

where you have famine, illness, and desperation, you have disorder. in gaza, you've got that in a very tightly packed state with 2.2 million civilians, and that's why so many are at risk of death today. >> i'm so glad you said action is very different from verbal commitments or promises. this is so true in global diplomacy. actions and exponentially increasing the aid is so important. i want to play for you, chef andrés made a clip. i want to play this for you as well. >> these men and whimper issued in this unfortunate event. this has been happening for way too long. this doesn't seem like a war against terror. this doesn't seem any more a war about defending israel.

this really at this point seems it's a war against humanity itself. >> i would note that the u.n. secretary-general, he's called for investigations into the deaths of all 196 aid workers. i think people should know it's not just seven. there's additional. many. what's your reaction to what he had to say? do you agree with what he had to say? >> well, jen, on the 18th of january, a group was hit by an israeli missile. three were injured. very fortunately none were killed. we warned at the time that the so-called deacon flicz system, the system intended to protect humanitarian aid workers wasn't working. so you're absolutely right to say this terrible incident this week is only one of many that should alert us to the need for an 180-degree turn in the way we understand the rights of civilians and of aid workers in conflict.

it's not an act of ben i face and generosity to allow aid through or not kill anyone. it's a fundamental legal right established after 1945. the great danger is we treat the access of aid workers as something that's a gift. no, it's a right. it's been lost in absolute tragic circumstances. it's absolutely important to understand we're at a point of desperation. one of the few hospitals is working. we have partners trying to reach people in northern gaza. this is beyond desperate. secretary blinken rightly called for an inflection point this week in comments on friday. we need to see the action. it's not only up to the united states. the u.s. has an absolute

critical role to play. >> david miliband, i hope you'll come back and talk to us more in depth in the future. i really appreciate your time this afternoon. coming up next, another day, another mass ichb contrast between president biden and donald trump. this time it has to do with responses or lack thereof in the collapse of the bridge in baltimore. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is standing by to talk about it right after this break. we'll be right back. out it righ. we'll be right back.

your nation has your back. that was president biden's message to the city of baltimore when he visited on friday, shown there. he toured the site of the collapsed key bridge, met with families of the victims, and his remarks referred to the victims, migrants, as hard, strong, working people.

he vowed to promise to rebuild the bridge. in quite a contrast, donald trump has remained silent about baltimore. no condolences, no comments since the tragedy occurred. for someone who likes to brag about being a big builder, who likes to brag about a lot of things, let's be honest, trump's silence is not normal and says a lot about how he would treat tragedies in places like baltimore. joining me is transportation secretary pete buttigieg. let me start with the visit. president biden, no surprise to us, he exhibited a lot of empathy. a lot of people lost their lives, family members are mourning the losses, and he vowed the federal government will pay the entire cost of rebuilding it. what does that look like? >> the president has responded characteristically with humanity and compassion but also with a clear direction of what has to happen next, and having sat

across the desk at the oval office as he's grilling me and the coast guard about what to do next, i'll tell you, he's very focused on what that's going to take. this is a major operation. first, we have to get the channel back open, which is an important port to baltimore. second, and it will take longer but we need to do quickly, is to get that bridge back up. that's going to take a lot of coordination. that coordination is already underway. we've got $60 million out of our department within hours of the request to get things started, but that's just a fraction of what it's going to cost to replace that bridge. meanwhile the race to get the port open is on. pretty soon by the end of april, we think the army corps will be able to get a 35-foot deep channel open. that's not the same as having it totally clear, but it's a step to getting back to normal. it means more vessels can get through and more workers can be back on the job earning their

paychecks. >> these details are so important. these are things that impact people's lives tremendously. trump is running for president. he has yesterday to action nom acknowledge the victims on the bridge fixing potholes. i have my own view, but what does it say about saying absolutely nothing? >> it would be helpful for the former fromth to weigh in and show the solidarity that we've seen from most if not all elected officials on either side of the aisle as a human tack tore. you have six people who lost their lives out there doing the work we all count on but don't always think about. that was a chilly night. they were out filling potholes, mending the road, getting the bridge squared away while most everybody was sleeping so they

would be ready for traffic in the morning. we count on so many workers in the country, many of them immigrants, to do these infrastructure jobs. i they're not glamorous or the highest paying, but absolutely essential. on a human level, showing some regard is important. that's character risz particularly what president biden was doing when he appeared on friday. >> there's been an ongoing meme in the right wing that this is a push about dei in companies. break down the absurdity and why is that the message they're pushing? >> you know, i think this is another one of those moments where all they have is a hammer and everything looks look a culture war. this is not about women and minorities. this is about a bridge that was struck by a shift. we saw something similar with the alaska airlines and boeing incident. i just don't understand the mentality of somebody who sees an issue like this that was a

very physical and direct infrastructure issue, and their first thought is how can i make this about women and minorities. this is not about politics. this is about safety. all of which president biden made a priority when he came into office, pushing the infrastructure legislation. it's about things like making sure our bridges and airports and ports are stronger, including making them more resilient to disaster, natural and manmade. there's never been funding before on a dedicated level for there to be investments in highways and bridges to make them more resilient until president biden's infrastructure plan went through. that's what the focus should be. there should be nothing ideological or partisan about helping a community get through a tragedy like this. >> no question. i mean, no question about it. everybody cares about potholes and their bridges and commute times. let me ask you. there was a "new york times"

analysis out -- this won't be a surprise to you -- dozens of critical bridges across the country lack protection systems to prevent a ship strike like what happened here. what needs to be done to ensure the safety of bridges? >> one, it's about building bridges. even since 1980 when what there was a similar collapse in tampa, which really prompted a lot of rethinking about how bridges are designed and built. bridges in this country are up for 50, 70, 100 years or more, which means we're driving on bridges today that might have been designed 100 years ago. and while some of those are being replaced, not all of those are being completely replaced, they need to be shored up. you have a lot of devices that can go around the piers of bridges that are a critical support. often you'll hear about dolphins

or fenders or islands. when you see what happened in baltimore, there are few mitigations that could have affected an impact. they have few features that could have prevented this. when we were at the site on friday, in some ways it looks exactly like it does on television. the one thing that doesn't come across is the mass of this ship. it's almost as big as the span of the bridge itself that came down. when you see that, you see why it was no match for this ship. there are two things we'll learn about. half of it has to do with bridges and how they can be stronger, but half of it has to do with vessels and making sure that this kind of collision cannot happen in the first place, and that's where we are closely watching the ntsb's work. they're independent from us by design for very good reasons, but we have an enormous interest

in what they find so shippers can be safer. the goal has to be zero. >> absolutely. and this just brought to light all the bridges that need work and repair across the country. i have much more to ask you about. thanks for sticking around for another block. we have to sneak in a very, very quick break. we'll be right back. very, very quick break. we'll be right back. a lot of time making meals. using golo was truly transformative. it was easy, and inexpensive. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.

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consumers' throats. why? >> let's be clear. consumers have wanted and purchased more evs every single year than the year before. sometimes when the debates happen, i think it's like we're back in the 2000s and some people think we'll have landlines forever. >> there's this narrative being pusheds out there a little bit that the years prior to president biden's ads ministration were better for the economy. how should people be pushing back on that argument? >> well, if you just look at where we were four years ago, you couldn't buy toilet paper sometimes. we were dealing with so many issues, not just as a consequence of the pandemic, which hit everybody hard, but if you look a little past that, the economy was growing but not as fast as it's growing.

unemployment went down, but not as much as it's come down now. just because a number on the page looks good doesn't mean everybody can feel it. everyone knows when you're in a relationship you should mtd say, you should be feeling great. having said that, we're also achieving a lot in the country. while there is a very welg funded noise machine, trying to poke holes in the achievements and talk down all the things that america has done, i think it reflects well on the president that the american people under his leadership and the american economy under his leadership have added so many jobs including so many areas like manufacturing and construction. if you look at the latest above expectations job reports, we had another one last week, a big part of it came through construction, which is linked to us seeing the earliest stages of construction associated with the president's bipartisan infrastructure package. so i think we need to keep pointing to what's happening and we need to connect the dots because there's a lot of places where, you know, local and state

politicians may not be inclined to give the president a lot of credit for that. for example, red states, the bulk of funding states are spending on the roads probably came from president biden's infrastructure package, but the governor may not be in a hurry to slap signage on it. not in a political manner, but to remind americans there are results coming out of legislation coming on when people do, in fact, work together. it's important. that's why you see me and my cabinet colleagues out on the road all the time. another thing is when things are good, we have to go out of our way to connect the dots for people. again, you know, we have to earn it. we have make sure we see it by doing the work of laying out the links and recognizing this is the middle of the trajectory to get things to a better place

than we were ever in before. >> let me ask you about something that we started the show out with, which is janet napolitano. again, i know you're not going to get into campaigns. but donald trump is arguing violent crime is up everywhere and it's a disaster and he'll do better than biden. meanwhile he's suggesting he's going to free january 6th defendants for people in jail, people who were part of the insurrection. talk to me a little about the contrast here and president biden's approach to law and order and approach to crime and how it's being kind of misconstrued out there? >> again, we've got to think about where we were just a if you're s ago. out this window, you can see capitol hill. i remember what it was like moving here with chastin and our dogs and not being able to get that close to the capitol because it was surrounded with security fencing in response to the violent attack on the capitol, but the previous president supporters had just perpetrated. those were the conditions in

terms of security and law and order that president biden inherited, and just in ordinary cities and streets, crimes at an elevated level happened under president biden. so we need to talk about the reality here. again, there is a lot of funding and a lot of energy going into telling a different story, especially on ideological news outlets and online. but the simple facts and the simple reality are right here staring us in the face, including the fact i can safely walk my dog to the capitol today in a way you couldn't do when we all got here, and something -- you shouldn't have to say it, but let's be clear. if you have been convicted by a jury of your peers for a violent crime and you are incarcerated, you are not a hostage. >> very important point to end our conversation on. i really appreciate you being here, secretary buttigieg. go spend some time with your twins this afternoon.

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