and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. women's basketball is crushing. the iowa hawkeyes match against uconn on friday was great basketball, great athleticism, and also huge for the culture. over 14 million people tuned in. we should note that is more than every men's nba finals game and every world series game over the last four years, if you're counting, which they do in sports. clark's professional career is just beginning. we'll hear a lot more about many of these talented players and we wanted to mark that on a busy news day. that's it for us. "the reidout" starts now. tonight on "the reidout" --

>> many people have asked me what my position is on abortion and abortion rights. especially since i was proudly the person responsible for the ending of something that all legal scholars, both sides, wanted and in fact demanded be ended, roe v. wade. >> that's a lie, of course. only the extreme religious right wanted to take away a woman's right to control her own reproductive choices. but trump wants to have it both ways on abortion. trying to hang on to some women voters while not angering his evangelical base. senator elizabeth warren joins me to discuss that as well as president biden's new student debt forgiveness plan. and how russian propaganda is seeping into the rhetoric of congressional republicans. happy eclipse day to all of those who were lucky enough to be in the path. let's hope that the majority of you didn't stare directly into the flaming ball of plasma like

your former president, who seemed to think the laws of science did not apply to him. april 8th is not just eclipse day. it also happens to be the day 50 years ago that hank aaron broke babe ruth's all-time home run record by slamming home his 715th with a simple swing of his bat, aaron beat back streams of racist death threats and taunts to become one of the greatest players in baseball history. today is also a good reminder that there are great marvels and great men in the world. and then there is donald trump. who paused his god complex and endless comparisons to jesus, alexei navalny, and abraham lincoln, to compare himself to another man far greater than him, nelson mandela. over the weekend, trump once again claimed victimhood. he did so while again attacking judge juan merchan who is overseeing the hush money election interference trial

that's set to start next week. trump posted the following on his scam website, truth social, quote, if this partisan hack wants to put me in the clink for speaking the open and obvious truth, i will gladly become a modern day nelson mandela. it will be my great honor. before i go any further, it might be helpful for us and for trump specifically to remember who exactly nelson mandela was and what he did for his country and the world. nelson mandela was a man of great humility, decency, and courage. and while he was born into actual african royalty, mandela remained a man of modest means who slept on mats and used his elbows for pillows. his father did not give him great wealth. what he did give him was his hand-me-down clothing. it was in the late 1940s when the nationalist party on the whites only general election and began implementing apartheid across south africa, that mandela's path would change. it was then that he decided he

would dedicate his life to opposing apartheid legislation which subjugated south africa's black majority. it made him a target by white aphrocanners. the fight escalated leading to the 1960 massacre in which white police fired into a crowd of peaceful protesters killing 69 people. that led mandela and other african leaders to mount general strikes and protests which led to more escalation and to ban not just on strikes and protests but on mandela's african national congress itself. in 1964, mandela received a life sentence, not for trying to overturn an election, but for protesting the fact that africans who were 80% of the population in an african country were not allowed to participate in them. he narrowly escaped the death penalty on charges that included treason and he spent 27 years in

prison. hidden from the world because his calls for equality were deemed a threat to white supremacy, including in the united states. where mandela was labeled a terrorist by the reagan administration. he was released from prison in 1990 to become the country's first black president. but before he was sentenced, mandela recited the following from memory. during my lifetime, i have dedicated myself to the struggle of the african people. i have fought against white domination and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. it is an ideal which i hope to live for and to achieve. but if needs be, it is an ideal for which i am prepared to die. up until 2008, the united states continued to officially deem nelson mandela a terrorist with

the state and defense departments declaring the african national congress to be a terrorist group. mandela's name remained on the u.s. terrorism watch list even after he was sworn in as president. donald trump is no nelson mandela. in fact, trump is currently leading a party that has declared that white people are the real victims of racism and black and brown people are dirty animals from s-hole countries who derve to be placed in internment camps or shot at the border or at protests for daring to ask for what nelson mandela was asking for, justice and equality. this weekend, trump kept up his racist diatribe while speaking to a gathering ofuber wealthy republican donors and defending his previous comments that people from african countries like haiti and south africa are s-hole countries. he reportedly defended those

comments by saying why can't we allow people to come in from nice countries like denmark and switzerland. how about norway? countries that just so happen to be overwhelmingly white. what do these millionaires get in exchange for trump's blatant racism, xenophobia, criminality, and violence? well, a promise to extend their tax cuts which are set to expire in 2025. what do those people give up for trump's promise to maintain their precious tax cuts aside from their dignity and morality? well, just a little over half a million dollars each in donations to his campaign, boy, was his campaign eager to crow about it. they gloated they doubled the amount the biden/harris campaign raised just two weeks ago. the biden campaign and democrats did indeed raise $26 million in a single night last week, using a diversity of high wattage celebrities and former presidents clinton and obama. the money they raised came from 5,000 people who paid anywhere

from $225 to $500,000. leaving the biden campaign with far more cash on hand than the trump campaign, which the biden/harris campaign is using on television ads and for opening field offices in key states around the country. meerm, the trump campaign will be spending a significant portion of their fund-raising haul from 100-some odd people on trump's legal defense fund which includes more pathetically desperate attempts to delay next week's trial. today, he tried to postpone the trial while arguing to move the venue, a motion that was denied. he's also suing to have judge merchen removed from the case and have the gag order lifted. we also learned what else trump's crony friends have given him, a dubious $175 million bond that doesn't actually promise that it will even pay the money if the former president loses his $464 million fraud case on appeal. again, that man is no mandela.

joining me now is reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" on msnbc. david jolly, msnbc political analyst and former republican who is no longer affiliated with the party, and catherine christian, former manhattan assistant district attorney. thank you all three for being here. brother rev, i'm going to let you have the floor on donald trump having the raw nerve to compare himself to a man you got to know, nelson mandela. >> it is atrocious. first of all, nelson mandela went to jail trying to fight to get people of color, black people in south africa, the right to vote in their own land. donald trump is facing charges, particularly in georgia, of trying to deny those that had voted in the election there and

tried to disenfranchise them by trying to get votes that allegedly never happened. i was an election observer in 1994 in south africa. and i could not imagine nelson mandela who i did get to speak with and know with my visits there and his visits here, i couldn't imagine him calling saying i need 11,000 more votes out of durbin, can you help me? i need more votes out of cape town. to try and belittle a man who literally changed the democracy as we now witness in south africa to a man who tried to undermine a democracy is to desecrate the whole movement of democracy around the world. even for donald trump, this is lower than anything i could have imagined to compare himself to someone who is not only unlike him but fought for the exact opposite of what he has

demonstrated in his own maneuvers to undermine black voters and for that matter other voters to the point where he's under indictment for doing something. nelson mandela became inducted in a global hall of fame of freedom fighters. donald trump has been indicted in four different federal districts, among the charges trying to undermine people's right to vote or the value of those who did vote. >> yeah, david jolly, it feels to me like there is this sort of movement on the maga right to take all of the iconic movements for black liberation and flip them and sort of conscript them in what donald trump is losing, which is a movement for white domination, to compare yourself to mandela is real ironic when the sharkville massacre was white police shooting at black peaceful demonstrators when donald trump has said american police should do the same to

black demonstrators, when nelson mandela was fighting to get the 80% majority population the right to vote when only the 15% white voters in the country were allowed to vote. donald trump is doing the opposite. all of his election denial is places where black and brown people live and saying those people's votes were inherently illegitimate, and stephen miller literally made a fake civil rights organization suing to stop black people from getting everything from grants to jobs to even grants to each other, and saying that only white people should get anything economically in this country. is this -- this is the new republican party, though, david. they are literally leading a white nationalist movement grafted on to the republican party. your thoughts. >> yeah, it's a cult inside a political party. i don't think there's much more to add to what rev said other than amen. in nelson mandela, you had

someone working for equality of all people, willing to give his own life. in donald trump, you have someone trying to interrupt equality for all people. last week, we were laughing that donald trump is jealous of jesus christ. this week he's jealous of nelson mandela. i would say prophet muhammad and gandhi are next, but donald trump probably doesn't appreciate their heritage. i would say this, you're exactly right about the state of today's republican party and trumpism. i mean, they are elevating someone who is racist, misogynist, xenophoic and bigoted. elevating him toward sleep walking toward a dictatorship. you see in romney and cheney and others people who have stepped aside from mainstream maga republicanism because they see in donald trump exactly who you and the rev articulated. we fall short in seeing this as merely an election.

this is a transitional moment in november for the country if we elevate someone who is racist, misogynistic, zin aphobic, bigoted, who wants to return to a dictatorship. that's the question for the american people in november. >> he's not even honest about like the easy to google thing. literally, thank goodness that letitia james called him on his bs. the $175 million, everybody was like, at least he came up with it, after they reduced it, and he comes forward with some guy who says he's going to give him a bond. no, he didn't. the little insurance company that rescued him by providing a last-minute $175 million bank fraud bond isn't just unlysined in new york, it hasn't been vetted by a voluntary state entity that would verify it met the minimum standards to prove financial security. more troubling, the legal document from knight insurance company doesn't promise it will pay the money if the former

president loses his $464 million bank fraud case on appeal. it says trump will pay, negating the whole point of an insurance company guarantee. even the bond post, catherine, was a fraud. >> yes. i mean, as you said, even the fact that it was not licensed in new york, you can maybe forgive, but all of the other reasons you just gave makes it a useless bond because the whole point is that if donald trump loses his appeal, the attorney general wants to be able to enforce the judgment. but there's not going to be any money there because the bond does not really exist, because then it goes back, as you said, to donald trump. so it's interesting because a trial that involved civil fraud and found donald trump liable for repeatedly committing fraud, that a bond put up is probably fraudulent. you can't make this up. >> reverend sharpton, the other

difference, there are so many, between nelson mandela and donald trump is nelson mandela wasn't afraid to go to prison. donald trump clearly is. the reason he's doing the most and now trying to sue the judge can throw all these useless appeals is he's terrified this case is going to start next week and he clearly doesn't have money which is why he put up a fake bond. >> he's clearly petrified of going to jail, and he's using all kinds of maneuvers to try to even avoid a trial. and the difference is, as you read in the opening, nelson mandela said he was proud to go to jail, even willing to die for the cause. what cause is donald trump trying to stand for? a cause of trying to defraud banks and insurance companies out of their money? a cause of trying to rob people of the right to vote and women their right to choose? i mean, what is his cause? so not only is he not like mandela as a man, he has no

mission other than his own self aggrandizement and his own narcissism. the only thing you can find some value in is there's some people that would not argue if he got 27 years in jail like mandela, but it would be for many different reasons. >> i think people would be -- might clap and applaud. david, i'll give you the last word. donald trump who claims he just wants swedish people and people from norway in the country, he used to lie about being swedish. he claimed in art of the deal that his family was swedish and they're german. i want you to explain to me as someone who used to be a republican politician. explain the people in this room, like 112-odd people who put up a half million dollars to be in the room with him. the guy whose home it was came from i believe is south america, what donald trump would consider an s-hole country. vivek ramaswamy who would be

considered from an s-hole country. are they so desperate for another bloody tax cut that they would humiliate themselves by hanging around with a guy who does nazi talk? >> what we have learned is whether you have a billion dollars or $10, some people are okay with autocracy and someone who peddles in racism and xenophobia. we know he's okay with white immigrants but not immigrants of color. we don't know what's on someone's heart but on their lips. what's on donald trump's lips is racist and xenophobic and we should call it as much. i would suggest what we're seeing among the donor community, again, the billionaires are the people giving $10, is a negotiation with themselves. it's a negotiation with themselves that they are okay with the cultural movement that donald trump has ignited. this white nationalist movement if they're the winning side, from jamie dimon to joe smith, there's a shame that should be cast on all of them. >> i will just channel nelson

mandela all the way to medgar evers and say find out who these billionaires are giving to an autocrat and act accordingly with your dollars. you can choose whether you're going to do business with them or not with your money. reverend sharpton, david jolly, catherine christian, thank you. up next on "the reidout," senator elizabeth warren joins me to discuss president biden's new student debt forgiveness plan, donald trump's latest comments on abortion and the kremlin's efforts to influence congressional debates as one republican congressman admits what we already know to be true, some of his colleagues are repeated literal russian propaganda. stay right there. i was surprised to learn so many more things. there's the family name. 1892 wow. that one here is the boat they came over on. yes. wow.

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understatement. it was $40,000 plus in student loans just gone, zero. i wish you could have seen it. there was dancing. there were tears on my part. >> in the past few years more than 4 million americans have opened their email or student loan accounts to see the life-changing news their balance is now zero thanks to the biden administration's student loan forgiveness plan. tens of millions more of you out there could soon be getting the same news as today president biden announced a new student debt relief plan that could lower or release the loan. this plan which is expected to be rolled out in coming months focuses on those who owe more than they borrowed due to interest. those paying for at least 20 or 25 years. those who attended career training programs that led to

high debt loads or low earnings. those who are eligible for existing forgiveness programs but never applied and those experiences hardships that prevent them from making loan payments. and joining me now is someone who has been fighting for student loan debt forgiveness for years, senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. this is something you have been pushing for. explain -- just explain the sort of ramifications of this for ordinary americans. >> so this is just a hallelujah day. this is the day when joe biden announced, as you said, 30 million americans are going to see either all or a chunk of their student loan debt wiped out. and it's been a long fight to get here. but he's doing it, and you know, i want to tell a story because i think the story says a lot about joe biden, says a lot about his values. so back when he was first sworn in, one of the first things he wanted to do is figure out what he could do about student loan debt. because as you know, this is

crushing millions of americans. 40% of the people who have student loan debt do not have a college diploma. these are people who tried and didn't make it or they were never in a four-year program to begin with. here they are still struggling with student loan debt. this falls particularly hard on african americans, we know it falls harder on women. so we have a lot of people who are dealing with student loan debt, really struggling with it. so president biden announces a plan. he's going to cancel student loan debt for tens of millions of americans. what happens? republicans showed their values. first thing they do is sue the president and try to shut the whole thing down. go to texas, get a stay, and so it all shuts down. goes all the way to the united states supreme court. and this extremist supreme court decides that the words waive or modify loan debt doesn't actually mean waive or modify.

which is exactly what the president had said he was going to do. okay, so the president -- the supreme court knocks the president back, and i have to say, at that point, a lot of folks in politics would have said, i did my part. i tried. supreme court told me i couldn't. i'm done. instead, joe biden turned around and said, okay. do i have any other tools in the toolbox? tell me what i've got and let me pick them up and start using them. he started and he started right away. he has already canceled student loan debt for 4 million people. and he announced today that using existing law and existing regulations, he is going to build out from that and he's got a path to cancel debt for 30 million americans. this is going to be transformative for these people and this is about showing that

we can make government work, not just for billionaires, not just for giant corporations, we can actually make government work for families. that's what joe biden is all about. >> it's interesting, and i actually know a family member who just over the last weekend, and i didn't know this and didn't prompt it, said they got one of these magical emails that said $30,000 of debt they have carried for decades, because again, it takes forever to pay it off, and this is a working professional in the education field and said they used the words life-changing. that kind of debt. it truly is. you know, and you talked about the supreme court and the extremism of them. they're extreme on everything. when it came to abortion, the same thing. they said sorry, ladies yurb don't have the right to control your own bodies. donald trump is left in the position where his party says, goody, we're going to do a national abortion ban in addition to the states. he's now coming out and trying to pretend, oh, no, leave it with the states. does anyone in the united states senate believe that? it seems to me between the comstock act and lindsey graham

saying we're doing a 15-week abortion ban, it's bs when he's saying that. >> of course it is. and we all know that. you know, you really want to say to donald trump, how dumb do you think the rest of us are? we're not going to let him lie his way out of this. donald trump brags and continues to brag to this day about the fact that he put this extremist supreme court in place and all of these folks who stood up and so soberly said to the american people and to the united states senate, yes, i'm going to follow precedent, and that was all supposed to be code for, i'm not going to fool around with roe v. wade. and then the very first opportunity they had, i don't mean the second or third, i mean the first chance they got, they said oh, you know what, not anymore. we're going to flip the whole thing over. and for the first time in american history, took away a constitutional right from half the population.

said we're done. not going to do that. and of course, we know what's gone on since then. that is we have 20 states that effectively ban abortion at some level or another. but here's the deal. you can't sit there comfortably in a blue state and say, you know, as long as it is state by state, i'm okay. no, you're not. lindsey graham made clear, they're coming for everybody in this country. and right now, there are republicans putting together a whole plan through the heritage foundation and their other work to say, you know, even if we can't get an abortion ban through congress, if we can just get donald trump in the white house, we will go ahead and ban abortion nationwide. and they're laying out what they think are the tools that they can use right now, and then get their extremist courts to sign off on it. you know, this is why i keep

saying, joy, and i know you do, too. abortion is on the ballot in 2024. and this is the strongest contrast between donald trump who put this extreme court in place, who helped overturn roe v. wade, and joe biden and the democrats who say you put us in, you give us the white house, the senate, and the house, and we're going to make roe v. wade the law of the land. >> and by the way, those who live in maryland, if y'all think larry hogan is going to protect you, know he will vote for it. he's going to vote for that too if you're in maryland and say he seemed moderate, none of them are moderate on this issue. i have to point out jd vance. he made a pretty dumb -- i'll say an interesting statement. that he was slamming the fact that he said undocumented immigrants got some of the jobs that caused the low unemployment rate. isn't it the case that when job

growth improves, that means the people who are picking the lettuce and picking the strawberries and picking the fields to make sure that people have food also get jobs and the people who are doing the chicken plucking plant, the dangerous work where their fingers get chopped off, some people are undocumented, is that a bad thing that they're doing those jobs or in your mind, a good thing? >> you know, look, i want everyone to have work permits. so if they're here and they're here on parole or however it is they're here, they need those work permits. and the reason they need it is so they don't get exploited in the work that they do. but let's be clear. immigrants in the united states boost our economy. they make our economy work better and faster. they are out there in a country where we have a significant portion of people who have retired or who are about to retire, who are not in the work force.

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. sunday marks six months since the hamas attack on israel where more than 1200 people were killed and more than 250 mainly from the liberal kibbutzs in southern israel were kidnapped. after the initial shock over the devastating event, we learned shocking details about israel's security failures including that israel's military was aware of a hamas battle plan for an invasion for more than a year in advance. but israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for hamas to pull off. we have also learned that warnings from several women soldiers serving as spotters were ignored including preparations near the border fence, drone activity, and efforts to knock out cameras. and the israeli death toll was

revised down to 1200 from 1400 a months after the hamas attack with no real explanation. we did learn the attack hit not just the kid at the music festival but also an israeli military base and a police station. there's also the fact the initial attack by hamas lasted for nine hours as civilians and soldiers alike waited for help or defended themselves. now, six months later, the israeli government finds itself in a place it likely didn't expect on october 8th. facing global condemnation for its military response in gaza. an offensive that's killed more than 33,000 palestinians according to gaza's health ministry, including more than 10,000 children. while leaving most of gaza's 2.3 million people homeless in a sea of rubble. and at risk of famine and disease. south africa filed an unprecedented case against israel in the hague, charging war crimes and genocide and young people on social media and activists on the ground in the u.s. and throughout europe have

risen up against the gaza attack. amid the death and devastation. but pressure also continues to mount inside israel against prime minister netanyahu, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in jerusalem and tel aviv yet again this past weekend, calling for fresh elections and demanding that the israeli government prioritize freeing the more than 130 hostages still unaccounted for in gaza. meanwhile, a new round of cease-fire negotiations and hostage talks were held in cairo without any breakthroughs. and palestinians began returning to khan yunis in southern gaza after israel's military withdrew some ground troops there, even as netanyahu confirmed today israel plans to go ahead with an offensive in the city of rafah, the last refuge in the south for palestinians. netanyahu says victory over hamas requires it and the date is set for the mission to begin. joining me is peter binard,

editor at large, author of the binard notebook and an msnbc political analyst. peter, assess for me where you believe israel stands six months after the initial hamas attack. >> well, israel remains deeply, deeply divided at home with a government that is considered illegitimate by most of its citizens and it has destroyed a lot of hamas' military capability, but in so doing, it has so devastated gaza that i believe and i really -- it terriies me to say this but i think it's true, it has laid the groundwork for more dangerous palestinian violence in the future, because it has left so many people devastated with their families killed or starving, and whether it's called hamas or whether it's called something else, unless it radically changes path and offers palestinians a path to freedom, there will be more

dangers against israel in the future. >> let me play jose andres, because i think the killing of those world central kitchen workers, it also changes something fundamentally because it brought europe to the table and australia, because their nationals were among those killed. take a listen. >> this is not any more about the seven men and women of world central kitchen who perished in this unfortunate event. this is happening for too long. it's been six months of targeting anything that moves. this doesn't seem a war against terror. this doesn't seem any more a war about defending israel. this really at this point seems it's a war against humanity itself. >> we know jose andres is one of the greatest humanitarians in the world. he doesn't say that lightly. we know of other incidents, a doctor from doctors without borders, their home being bombed in the past, two previous

incidents involving world central kitchen itself. and al shifa hospital which became a subject of a lot of consternation. this is it now. there are no hospitals left, only 10 of 36 hospitals partially functional in gaza. the devastation, the starvation, the reputational harm, south africa filing a genocide claim. it feels like israel has done itself no favors reputationally. >> that's certainly true. you see in the united states that the question of conditioning military aid which was really off the table before this war, only a very small number of democrats in congress supported, has now bekim the mainstream position in the democratic party. and this is a sign of a country, look, and this is -- we can understand this because in some ways that mood is not so different than the mood inside the united states after september 11th. a country that has tremendous military power and used that military power to lash out because of its enormous pain and agony. we should also add humiliation.

without any political strategy. the palestinians are israelis' neighbors. in the long run, unless palestinians are safe, israeli jews will not be safe. palestinians cannot be safe unless they have their freedom. unless they have basic rights. and unless you show palestinians that an ethical struggle for freedom, a struggle for freedom that respects the preciousness of all life, including israeli life, and unless you show that such a struggle has a chance of success, you are empowering the kind of evil that hamas did when it went door to door and killed civilians on october 7th. i fear that political lesson has still not been learned. >> peter, always a pleasure. you're always so helpful in making this all make sense. thank you very much, my friend. coming up, and for more world events and how they affect us, check out the reidout blog and watch my conversation with a

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an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. i am so incredibly happy for our players. it is not always and like you wanted to and. much like last year, but my fresh cheese are at the top of my heart. because they wanted this. and i hope we can erase whatever pain they had. last year experiencing not being able to finish it here.

i am super proud of where i work. i am super proud of our fans. it is awesome. it is unbelievable. >> joining me now is jemele hill, the dribbling writer for the atlantic and the host of jemele hill's unbothered podcast. okay, break down that legend that is a don staley. i am a newcomer. i was pointing at myself when i said the people who jump on the bandwagon. >> i will get full credit -- give full credit where it's due. i heard another analyst say this, she's probably in the category of the most successful player turncoat we have seen. from the standpoint. if you know about don staley's resume as a player, she was the national player of the year. also made final four. i believe she was the only player voted most outstanding during the final 42 did not win a championship. we know about her history as a player, the olympic gold medal.

to have a coaching resume that might be better as a player, that says a lot. here she is with her third national title. putting herself -- for all coaches. she's the 10th program to complete an undefeated season. >> did the gremlins get jemele? oh, no. we will try to get her back. i will say -- we have her on the phone. i will let you finish your thought. >> -- >> we do not have her. i got you back. >> we were talking about her legacy as a coach. she is spearheading the 10th program to go undefeated. that is a monumental thing to accomplish in this sport.

there are only a few coaches who have been able to win multiple national championships. when you think about where south carolina was when the program started to where it is now, she had told a dynasty and a powerhouse in a sport where it was tennessee, university of connecticut and no one else. to put south carolina indisposition, is a testament to who she is as a leader and coach. >> and yet, jemele, i cannot bring you on and not get a little bit of controversy. i was listening to this game on sirius xm. it seems to me the commentator was a little sad that the whole story line that they were getting to tell was about this team of freshmen and about this incredible coach and not about caitlin clark. they have created this legend that caitlin clark is the entirety of women's basketball and nothing else matters. and no disrespect to caitlin,

she's a great player, but she does not have a ring. angel reese has a ring. but she is the bad guy. they are making them rivals. talk about the controversy that was thrown into the mix. >> the medial framing has been disappointing in some ways. yes, caitlin clark should get an incredible amount of attention when you look at her being potentially the best offensive player we have seen at the women's college level. she has had one of the greatest seasons in women's college basketball period. and this is backed up in research, overall, in general, there is a lot of research that points to the fact that typically in this sport, white players are marketed, branded and positioned in a different way that is much different and higher than a lot of black players are. the wnba is where one of these case studies happened. we see this playing out in real time. again, she should get a lot of attention. but there is also an entire league that needs to be covered.

i know it angered a lot of fans. i saw the month osha media commenting with how caitlin clark left the court, and they cut away from south carolina celebrating. the cameras were following caitlin clark into the locker room. a lot of people, they saw the headline today, they made sure to mention caitlin clark and every headline that had to do with the carolina. when you go on social media, on instagram, he saw a lot of words highlight accounts -- >> i think we have lost her. i will just ended by saying this, dawn staley had one of the epic swigs of water shutting down -- and attempting to drag trans- athletes into the whole mess. but she was unbothered, as jemele hill is. that is tonight readout. inside with jen psaki starts now. as you probably know by now, donald trump has been claiming something so extreme, so far-fetched and so absurd,