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hello, good morning. coming up on today's show, iran launched a barrage of missiles and drones toward israel, its first-ever direct attack on the country. >> richie sumac says iran moves more raf jets to the region. scottie scheffler leaves going into the final rounds of the masters. the five-time winner, tiger woods, shoots his first worst round ever in a major. sirens blared across israel as the skies were lit up by the country's air defense system. the raf and u.s. military were both deployed, supporting israel's defense. u.s. president joe biden will could being leaders to coordinate a diplomatic response to what he called a
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brazen attack. also, australia in shock with police still unsure of a motive behind the stabbing attack that killed six people in sydney. >> australians are likely to try to deal with the shock and trauma that will come with what has occurred. in sports, manchester city went top of the premier league with both of their title rivals playing today. hello, thanks for joining us here on the breakfast show. our top story this morning, iran's barrage of drones and missiles launched towards israel overnight. it is iran's first direct attack on israeli territory.
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while iran says the attack is concluded, israel remains on high alert. israel's air defense systems brought down the vast majority of any incoming threat before reaching israeli territory, and no one was killed. it was an unprecedented attack, a retaliation race suspected israeli strike in syria that killed two iranian generals. our middle east correspondent begins our coverage. >> reporter: drones arrived in israeli airspace just before 2:00 a.m.. the holy city was under attack, and the skies above alight with the trails of israel's air defense system. the region had been on edge for days, but this was a bigger, far more dangerous retaliation that many expected. the u.s. government seemed to have warned that the attack was coming.
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president biden cut short his week in delaware and flew back to the white house to be with his national security team. he was watching and monitoring events from the situation room as the attacks on hold it. the israeli military warned people to stay close to bomb shelters, as the nation braced. >> translator: dozens of unmanned aircraft's were intercepted outside the borders of israel. the idf does and will do everything that is required to protect the security of the citizens of the state of israel. >> reporter: airspace was closed over jordan and iraq. flights in the air headed for tel aviv were turned back. the u.s. embassy told its staff to take shelter, and schools in israel have been ordered to close for the next two days. a vast majority of missiles
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were intercepted outside of israel. but the did few only caused minor damage. the u.s. president has condemned the attack and what he calls his deposit strongest possible terms. he has spoken to benjamin netanyahu and reaffirmed america's commitment to the security and defense of israel. iran's mission to the united nations says the matter was concluded, and warned the israel and u.s. not to retaliate. the attacks were celebrated by regime supporters into ron. they were satisfied by the response that israel might feel it has no chance but to retaliate. this could still be just the beginning. >> alastair joins us now from jerusalem. an unprecedented attack by iran
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directly on israeli soil. so the big question is, i guess what happens next? >> that is the question. iran seems to be suggesting that for its part, that that is it. that statement released by the iranian mission to the united nations saying that their action has concluded, and i guess from their point of view, the retaliation against the killing of their senior military officers in damascus on the first of april, that retaliation is been delivered. i just been in a briefing room with the israeli military, and the question was asked of them, whether they think it is concluded. two points they laid out. firstly, they don't believe the iranians. they are still a very high readiness for anything else that might happen. secondly, they were suggesting the use of ballistic missiles. around 120 ballistic missiles to israel. they think that has, and their
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words, escalated. we will see what steps come next. i think the americans, although very much -- despite any differences that have happened over the last few weeks, the americans are very much in israel's court. i also think at the same time, there will be quite a lot of leaning on the israeli government behind the scenes. we do need to cool things down. this can't be allowed to escalate further. we will watch diplomacy play out. very interesting, the british and the americans were in the skies offending israel last night. i think there will also be another dynamic to this. the specifics will not be fully known, but there was a number of arab countries who had either cleared their airspace for israeli or other jets to be in them, or were helping in some form in the defense of israel. nothing that is a significant point that should be lost in
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all this. >> thanks very much, indeed. u.s. president joe biden says he will be convening g7 leaders to coordinate a diplomatic response to what he described as iran's brazen attack. in a statement, the president said earlier iran and its proxies operating out of yemen, syria, and iraq, launched an unprecedented air attack against military facilities in israel. i condemned these attacks in the strongest possible terms. i've spoken with prime minister netanyahu to reaffirm americans ironclad commitment to the security of israel. tomorrow, i will convene my fellow g7 leaders to ordinate united diplomatic response to iran's brazen attack. let's go out to washington where we speak to our u.s. correspondent, james matthews. very public support by the u.s. president for israel, but do we know what kind of message he might be delivering to benjamin netanyahu behind the scenes?
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>> i think it would be a message of restraint, anna. the two men had a chat on the phone last night, and biden said to netanyahu, you got a win. take the win. essentially, patting the israeli prime minister on the back for a job done, a job that biden does not want to get any more complicated. and he realizes it very much could, should there be a reaction that would feed into escalation. i think in speaking about the of the israeli response over the past 24 hours, he said this in public statement. he said anniversaries now would see they can't effectively threaten the security of israel. i think he is narrating the story to israel, but also to the israeli prime minister. that they have achieved a result, they achieved success
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last night. he made it clear, the united states would not support any retaliation strike by israel against iran. the open question, of course, would be what influence does he have over israel? we seen in the past, over the course of the israel/hamas conflicts that benjamin netanyahu is a man who enjoys autonomy, doesn't hesitate to turn to americans and treaties, the doesn't quite chime with his intentions. so the remains -- it remains a concern amongst american officials. senior administration officials with who we are in contact. speaking on condition of anonymity. but they speak about the surprise. the episode that triggered this episode. the attack on the iranian embassy in damascus. the americans were told about
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that until the israeli planes were on the air on the mission about to strike. that carried serious risk of a catastrophic escalation. so there is concern that the israelis will overreact when thinking through the potential fallout. in terms of american use, much of this coming out of the united nations. the secretary general, antonio gutierrez, he has spoken about that serious escalation. he has condemned the iranian action. as allie was talking about the iranian mission, has said and posted on social media, these matters can be deemed concluded. they say. so suggesting that they don't have any further intention of any strike. they think the matter is finished. of course, they have something to say about that. what the israelis are saying in the united nations is they want the united nations security council to condemn the iranian
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action, calling it a violation of israeli sovereignty and international law. >> okay, james. inks very much, indeed. meanwhile, the uk has moved several royal air force jets to the region after condemning iran for what he described as sowing chaos in its own backyard. let's bring in rob powell. tell us a little bit more about the uk response then. publicly supportive of israel as we heard from the u.s.. >> we know that the uk has moved raf jets to the region. we know that raf jets were involved in some capacity in israel, in defense of israel last night. specifically whether they shot down any iranian drones or missiles is not clear. there is no direct confirmation from the ministry of defense. what the government has said is that those jets being moved to the region as part of operation shader. to counter islamic states in
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iraq and syria. however, those jets were also authorized to shoot down iranian drones if they needed to. so the involvement feels a little bit more second-order than the u.s. mission over there. it may well be that the raf have more of a support role, and some back for the u.s. jets on existing missions. in terms of the language we've been getting from uk senior ministers, he issued a statement overnight condemning, as he said, in the strongest terms, the reckless attack against israel. talking about how they risk inflaming tension, destabilizing the region. iran has once again demonstrated its intent to sow chaos in its own backyard. the uk will continue to stand up for israel security and is urgently working to stabilize the situation. that was echoed by former secretary cameron and the defense secretary as well. they came out with very similar sentiments as well.
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he will clearly be involved in that g7 call with other western leaders later today. so the clear message is that the uk stands with israel against this attack, but there's also an urge for de- escalation. you imagine behind the scenes they will be using all the leverage it has to stop this turning into something more uncontrolled and more dangerous. >> thank you. let's bring in now our security and defense editor, deborah hayes. deborah, what you make of the scale and nature of this attack by iran on israeli soil? >> it's been said before, it is unprecedented for iran to launch a direct attack like this on israel. this being a sort of hybrid war between those two countries. for a long, long time. but it has always been a war between proxies, through deniable attacks. so a direct strike, especially using ballistic missiles, that
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is -- it is unprecedented, and that's why there is such concern about the potential for catastrophic escalation. everybody in the last few days in terms of the diplomatic circles of the uk and washington , and all around the world, aware that iran was wanting to retaliate for its -- for that attack it blames on israel on its -- it senior generals in damascus on that -- that diplomatic building that was struck in damascus a few days ago. everybody knew that there would be some kind of retaliation, but the effort that has been going on behind the scenes has been to try to allow that retaliation to happen without a major response from israel in return, which then takes you into even more dangerous and uncharted waters. i just want to talk a bit about
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the british involvement in this. british jets were up in the sky overnight during this attack by iran on israel, but i've been told that the actual british effort, first of all, we've enhanced their presence of jet in their raf base in cyprus, and they have typhoon jets that have been based there for a long time, doing this mission called operation shader, which you might remember was the one launched in response to islamic's dates attacks in iraq and syria, so you've had jet in cyprus that have been periodically controlling, launching strikes against islamic's date target in those two countries. and what's happened is, with this escalation in tension, this anticipation of some kind of iranian attack against israel, as the uk has said, they enhance the number of jets that they have, these typhoon
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jets. we don't know the exact number yet. i'm sure that will become clear during the day. and then what happened overnight, it was a specifically kind of operation shader plus that the uk was actually doing as opposed to any kind of joint action with the u.s. in support of israel with regards to the iranian attack. however, the british jets that were operating as part of their ongoing mission against islamic states in iraq and syria were given additional commissions to intercept iranian missiles and drones, should they have the opportunity to do that. we don't yet know whether that did happen, and we are, i'm sure, going to find out in the coming hours whether british jets actually did -- were part of that effort to take out these iranian missiles and drones that we are heading toward israel.
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>> absolutely. we will wait and see if we get more updates from the ministry of defense. thanks very much indeed for that analysis. thank you. let's bring in now our analyst. sean, israel is saying that more than 300 projectiles were sent from iran to its territory. what details do we have of those projectiles, and also, israel's ability to intercept them? >> good morning, anna. as midnight approached, wondering what level of attack. as you say, a mixture of drones, up to 120 ballistic missiles. that is a serious assault onto israel's defenses. and in normal circumstances, as we seen regularly over ukraine, most of those will often get through. this was just a testament to the technology, particularly israeli and u.s., that actually israel is claimed they have not shot down 99% of the incoming missiles. there were no reports of any debts.
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but these attacks do seem to be new. i think the real question for me, we focus a lot on the public display of anger at iran. the real question is, why have they done this unprecedented attack? it's pretty clear that the attack by israel in the first of april at the iranian consulate that destroyed the building, killed 13 people, and also a senior commander, that left iran with no option. it was effectively an attack on their own soil. and what we have probably seen here is that a measured attack -- i know 300 projectiles doesn't sound like that, but it's the impact on the ground that we are most focused on. and this could have been so much worse. as a result, all the diplomatic language from the ran is paused. we saved face and we've been seen to retaliate. and now you got the u.s., certainly internally, showing restraint now on israel. the challenge, of course, is as
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you worded -- benjamin netanyahu at times seems to turn a blind eye to any advice that's given from america. we'll see in the coming days whether this escalates or whether this draws a line under it. >> sean, thanks very much indeed. this is one of the issues we will of course be talking about throughout breakfast this morning, but also trevor philip show at 8:30 this morning will be picking this up as is and own theme. still to come here on the breakfast show, australia's mourning the loss of expect in the wake of a mass stabbing at a shopping center. we will be live in sydney, next.
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and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. its attack on israel, but first, australia is still reeling from the shock of a violent mass stabbing in
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sydney. joe couch he, in step six people to death and injured several others, had mental health issues, but they are unclear what his motive was. nicole johnson reports. >> reporter: were in the heart of sydney. bodies were moved from westford shopping center in bondi junction. six people were killed on saturday in a stabbing rampage through the mall. police say the suspect is this man -- and that he suffered from mental health issues. he was shot and killed by police investigator, who confronted the attacker on her own. >> we have continuing investigations in relation to him. we believe he came to new south wales last month, and we are and have spoken with his family, will continue to do so, and they are cooperating with us.
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we know that shortly after coming to sydney, he took possession of the storage facility that has been identified, and we have worked through that very small storage facility. >> on an autumn afternoon, the shopping center was packed with people. the man walked through, wielding a knife. some people tried to block him. the bravery of ordinary australians in an extraordinary situation. so far, no known motive for the attack. >> as i had said last night, there is still, to this point, nothing that we have, no information we have received, no evidence we have recovered, no intelligence that we have gathered, that would suggest that this was driven by any particular motivation, ideology, or otherwise. >> a nation in shock, families in grief.
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>> is trillions are waking up to try to deal with the shock and trauma that will come with what has occurred with violent actions that are unspeakable. and really just beyond comprehension. people going about their saturday afternoon shopping should be safe. shouldn't be at risk. >> reporter: fear and panic took over. this type of attack is almost unheard of in a daily a. the dead include sydney osteopath ashley good. her nine-month-old daughter, who was also stabbed, is still in hospital. two of the victims have no family in australia. 5 out of six people killed were women. >> a lot of people were running, a lot of things happening. and after some time, i saw a
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guy with a knife running to the cafe where i work. >> reporter: tributes to the victims, streets lockdown. this beachside suburb has never seen anything like this. nicole johnston, sky news. >> we go live now to sydney to speak with adam hot hancock. what are the authorities saying? what is the latest on the victims in the attacker? >> well, they have released more information about the attack. he is a 40-year-old man. he's from queensland, which is the neighboring state to here in new south wales. and authorities believe you only actually came to sydney about four weeks ago. he went to a small storage unit, which has been searched by the police today. it's quite a remarkable story about how the authorities were actually alerted.
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his family watching television coverage, this is always a huge story in australia, and they recognized this man as being the attacker and alerted the authorities. he was shot dead at the scene yesterday by a female police officer who is being hailed as a hero by prime minister anthony albanese today. stories of the victims of this horrific attack are starting to trickle out today in the media as well. one of them is a 38-year-old mother called ashley good. her mother had sent a statement saying we are reeling from the terrible loss of ashley, a beautiful mother, daughter, sister, friend, and all-around outstanding human, and so much more. tragically, her 19-month-old baby -- i'm sorry, her nine- month-old baby was also stabbed in this incident. she is currently in hospice and had hours of surgery yesterday. there's more positive news coming from the hospital today. so the stories and the victims of these horrific attacks, we understand two of them are
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overseas nationals who do not have family here in a really a, so it could be longer for them to identify. the public had 20 attributes, as you might be able to see behind me, just opposite of where this attack took lace yesterday. the prime minister, along with the premier, they both in here today paying tributes and making message to the media. >> thanks very much indeed. some grim news out of australia, wasn't it? jackie is here with sums fort, which is a little more positive. >> it's only light relief this morning. were talking about the masters and the premier league title race. we have two of the teams in contention playing today, but also we are going to tell you who is still in contention going into the final rounds of the mass at augusta. tiger woods certainly won't be adding another green jacket to his collection after his worst
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welcome back to the breakfast show. >> scottie scheffler, the 2022 champion, leads the masters. it was a day to forget for tiger woods. that's coming up as well as a closer look at this morning's papers. first, though, i want to take you back to our tops dori, as iran has launched hundreds of drones and missiles in the first direct attack on israeli territory overnight. while iran says the attack has concluded, israel does remain
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on high alert. let's get a reaction to this. 20 me now is josie michael berg, an associate fellow at the north africa program. a very good morning to you. thanks so much for talking to us. what you make of what you seen happen overnight? >> good morning. it's unprecedented. 350 cruise missiles, ballistic missiles. directed at this, and this is the first time that this is an attack from iran. usually, there is a shadow one that runs behind the scenes. and now there's one in retaliation, for the assassination of some military personnel in damascus. the question is whether this is all
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moving on from there, or this is just the beginning. israel is going to retaliate. because at the point is to isolate this, and in gaza, and isolated and criticized, and it actually united the united states. in defending israel. >> that's interesting. what you think, then, israel will do and say ? >> the first thing they call for his security council. to condemn -- you know, also to announce the evolution as a terrorist group. so in a way,
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in this big pr -- it's starting to regain some of -- supporting the international community that is losing day after day in gaza. but it's also mentioned that before the military capability with the ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, the west, if you like, the allies have intercepted 99%. one girl was badly hurt. the physical damage is minimal. the big question is if they would also like to retaliate military. it is probably at this point, better off holding fire.
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>> everyone will be watching very closely what does happen there, whether israel does retaliate. it's how potentially a dangerous moment and destabilizing moment do you think this could be for the region? >> is a very dangerous moment. one of the two main protagonist in the region, in direct conflict, direct military conflict between the two, and not necessarily science with governments and also involving other conflict in the earlier. that's going to be bringing the middle east altogether with some wrong moves, can break the entire middle east into a conflict, and we've seen other elements. the international community.
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that's why they have a security council meeting today to try to calm the situation down. the united states, it's all over with their concern, but the question is whether it is over for israel, we can't afford being attacked like this. a conflict today and from yesterday was finalized, and the entire population is waiting for an attack. we need to do something. and the question is, whether the international community can do enough to avoid retaliation, but also make sure that the details are not to open things like this. >> what are the implications for israel's offensive in gaza and the ongoing cease-fire talks with hamas? >> i think one of the lessons of for what happened last night is that, you know, for many years, israel has had iranian
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targets, there's hezbollah in syria, and in lebanon. and they haven't retaliated. i think the retaliation -- they believe that what's happening in gaza, is -- because it is -- with the situation in gaza, we found -- we found achievement. but then at the same time, into ron, and weakens the support. so from israel's point of view, a policies to us extending internationally, but also, it's projects, instead of strings, projects weakness. >> okay. very interesting to get your take on events.
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thanks very much indeed for your time. lots more on that story throughout the day, of course. let's take a pause and talk about sports, jackie. lots of focus on the golf. >> lots of focus on the gulf. it was pretty exciting. i know a lot of people think the grand national should be scrapped, because it's unfair to the horses, but they made these adjustments and it really seemed to work yesterday. they all got away safely. a lot of people have criticized those adjustments, taking you made it too easy now. but it's still a challenge at the fences. they still got to be respected. so i think all the horses were taken through. >> thank goodness for that. there was a lot riding on that, to use a terrible one. >> there was, but there's also a lot riding on the mast.
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it was not a good night last night for tiger woods. let's have a look what happened overnight. >> reporter: this sports bulletin is brought to you by vitality. getting more people more active. live life with vitality. >> i want to know how sustainable you are, sebastian, because you are only 36. you've only been out of formula one for a year. are you potentially on the driver market? >> potentially i am, because i have the drive. i think it depends on the package. i retired from formula one not to come back, but i also did say that you never know, so i think it still stands. obviously there some things that i miss, which is the competition, and things that i don't miss. so, yeah. that hasn't changed. obviously, life is very different if you are not involved. >> there's the now or never
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aspect of maybe coming back, because the conditions might be not there for you if there's an opportunity in the next year. >> yeah, for sure. the thought is cross my mind. i'm thinking about it. i'm retired, not to come back, but i retired to retire. so nothing in this regard has changed, but, you never know. obviously, a lot of things started to move, because the u.s. has moved, and now the potential, it could be a surprise. you don't know. so i don't know if the circumstance starts to happen, or starts to open up. something to consider, for sure. >> i know you've had some conversations. if this was offered to you, how hard would it be to turn down? >> i've had conversations with him, not really about that, but to speak about the whole situation in short as well.
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but in listening to others as well, because i'm still keeping in touch every now and then. i have some project and ideas together with f1. we will see if they will turn out or not. but, yes. i am staying in touch. i don't know. it has to be a couple more phone calls and conversations i guess to really -- yeah. find out a little bit more. but for sure, it's one of the best cockpit, best seats on the grid. i think performance wise, mercedes has a great track record, but they are still second or third in the constructors. >> lewis hamilton was prepared to leave that car, and going to ferrari, what sorts of fit might he be on that team? he's a big individual, and we know it's very much about the team. >> it's true. i think it's about the team wherever you go.
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but i think it is a team sport, and i think someone like lewis has, you know, said that over and over again, thinking that without mercedes, his career might have been very different. mine, too. but that's how it goes. no regrets. but -- yeah. i think time will tell. i think he's excited, that's the main thing. it is ultimately his decision. so best of luck. i know the team in ferrari and -- yeah. obviously, you know, for us or for the outside, the measure is always whether you are sick restful. the real measure is whether the drivers happy. >> at this point in ferrari's history, the team is quite well set. there seems to be less politics at that team then maybe even when you were there, or when some of your predecessors were there. >> i am not part of the team
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for a while now, so i can't give you too much insight or details, but it is a very special environment. and obviously, fingers crossed to have a better package and it would be nice to see them thrive again. >> you are a driver who will speak out. lewis hamilton was another. the two of you had a good ally ship. you think he's been left a little bit on his own now? would you like to support the drivers, giving gottwald in it? >> absolutely. because you know, the first one to admit, i underestimated the -- i don't want to say power, but the potential to reach people. and if you have something really that is important to you and feels like important to not just his health, but many people up there, and i think it is important to teacup and to share your story and your opinion and not to shy away from it. so it would be nice if you
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worked with more of what makes other drivers and really moves them and what concerns them. because also, we are all humans , and we are all living on the same planet, so we are probably the same -- partly the same things that really get to us. and it just shows a little bit more humanity. it's a perfect impression you get from offside. but it's not like that. were all humans, we all have problems, we all have doubts. and it's important to address these things that speak up to set the right example to inspire young people to break the ice as well. >> one of your former teams has a big controversy around them. talking about red bull. they are under investigation. the allegations dismissed against them. my question to you is, are the leadership in formula one, the fia, formula one, have they done enough in this matter? should they have become involved in this?
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we talked about a lack of transparency. could there be a bit more transparency for that situation? >> given the fact that we are still talking about it, probably, yes. i think it's a very difficult one, because when you don't know everything, it's hard to draw a conclusion. i understand that, you know, you want to respect private matters, as well. with the involved individuals. so it's a slippery slope, but i think in the big picture, you know, you have it. still coming up on the breakfast show, we discussed stories making the front page of the paper. that's coming up next.
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time now for our news review where we take you
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through the sunday paper. welcome back to both of you. and we are reflecting on, first of all, the fact that many of the newspapers are already producing second editions, because in use overnight that iran had lodged this large attack on israeli soil obviously has dominated the news, and papers like the southern telegraph are very quickly on a second edition. >> absolutely. there been rumblings that nothing like this might be happening. another was a shock this morning, perhaps predictable, it has to be established that israel -- there was a reason for this. it's not sort of a completely unprovoked attack as perhaps it is being framed by some. because israel bombed the iranian consulate in syria, which, you know, according to the vienna convention, you are not supposed to do. so they are retaliating. as far as iran darkens earned,
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they are saying, that is the end of that. but it isn't, is it? you're dealing with very febrile conditions in the mideast. it's very worrying. the g7 will be convening, and you need biden, at all, to be really calming. there's got to be an awful lot of disquiet about what israel's next move might be. we don't wanted to be escalating. it's a very worrying development. >> that's right. both supporting israel's right to defend itself once again, but we are certainly getting the message that behind the scenes, there is this push for israel to de-escalate the situation. >> you do wonder whether it's been helped lightly by iran actually saying the attack overnight has concluded. so you do wonder whether it's now in israel's hands. it seems like word out of america and the white house is that they will stand by israel.
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but they don't want to be dragged into any wider reservations. >> and certainly, the experts i spoke to this morning all have very different views of what israel's next that might be, so we will watch and wait. in the meantime, though, take us to the front page of the sunday express, because they're suggesting there's a far left plot. >> that's right. they are saying the left-wingers are ready to sort of destabilize. but the points they are trying to make is that if there is a vacancy in leadership, if something happens, you know, to her in terms of the police investigation, that they will be ready to try and fill that void. there will be lots of people going for that duchy leadership, especially going -- >> left-wing and white wing ? >> there will be a concerted effort from that group, trying to get one of their people on
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to the slate and actually trying to get them into position. i think one thing that this does do, especially with the police investigation and stories like this about the far left plot is that it has just become a little bit of a distraction. at the end of this week, he made a big announcement about our nuclear arms. but it just seems like this is just taking away a little bit. and i think if you all are trying to get a message up of the local election, before the general election, talking about what you want to do for the country, and this is just taking away slightly. >> just to -- explain that, there's not armor. it's appointed by the party and voted on. >> that's right. for the membership to vote on, for the leader. >> yes. she once again is in the front page on sunday. the mail on sunday has been
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running this campaign for what they say are problems with her tax affairs, as well as where she registered to vote. it's all focusing on this house that she sold and whether or not she played the right tax on that sale, and also whether she was registered to vote at the property as well. >> i'm not sure that the optics of these papers, you know, which are owned, and the book was written by who saved 112 million pounds in taxes. it's absolutely gone into this working house woman who bought her council house. and the crime itself, difficult to explain. i'm not sure that it cutting through. first it was like, you bought your council house. yuri thatcher. then it's like, the capital gains tax. but somebody has looked into it. they didn't think they actually did all that, and it's been
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looked into. now they are saying, you lied about your address, because you were on the register, the electoral roll. it is exhausting. and hypocrisy as well from these generalists who are really going for it -- where were you were michelle don lind , 34,000 pounds, was paid by the taxpayer for your libel case? where were you when -- johnson spent 7.5 thousand for alcohol during lockdown, with a 65 million pounds profit. if you are going to go for it like this, come on. have some balance. >> in this article, the mail on sunday saying that a former aide of hers suggesting she's not telling the truth. i should say she's done absolutely nothing wrong. she has tax records that prove that, although she is not publishing that, and she also is not concerned about the police investigation. she says that she will be exonerated. her critics argue that she has
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always put the pressure on consent of politicians to be transparent about their tax affairs, and they feel she should do the same and publish those ils. >> that's right. there was another tory mp, joe mortimer, who she wanted her to publish her taxes as well. i think what is happening in this situation is, he's almost trying to distance himself slightly from this. the legal advices out there. but he hasn't actually seen it. >> i'm so sorry, we're out of time. thanks very much. stay with us for top stories.
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