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welcome back to the weekend and our special coverage of the situation in the middle east. iran warning israel there will be larger attacks on its territory if there is any retaliation after yesterday's attacks. also iran sending a message to the u.s. that it spaces will be targeted if washington backs any israeli retaliation. joining us now is evelyn, the four near, the former senior

advisor and for senior fellow for the atlantic council also with us former cia and department of defense chief of staff, jeremy bash, welcome to you both. >> i want to start with you and pick up where richard ingle left us off last hour, essentially talking about the root of what we saw yesterday goes all the way back two weeks ago, 13 days ago to the attack the israeli attack on iran and damascus. why, why would at the point in time that we are finding ourselves in in the world with hamas at israel's doorstep, why would israel take such a step and as richard ingle suggests that folks in the region have noted, what netanyahu wants is the wider conflict with iran, what say you jeremy?

>> there is a view inside israel and i think many in the u.s. national security community that iran really is the reason why there has been so much instability in the middle east so if you look at just the october 7 attacks were of course hamas is the proxy receiving funding from iran but also the violence and perpetrated by groups against u.s. forces and killing three u.s. troops back at the beginning of this year and attacking ships in the red sea. iran is really the reason why there is so much conflict in the region and so israel is saying we got to kind of go to the head of the snake and the head of the snake is the leadership of the iranian revolutionary guard, it's the same reason why the united states under the previous administration took out him, they are to fermentable of an alley and i think they think israel is on the back heels in

public opinion so they have done unprecedented here and have launched attacks against israel's homeland inside israeli territory we have never seen that over massive attack by iran against israel before in history. >> u.s. officials coming into the biden administration, we were doing all these briefings and everyone would say the same thing that iran is the greatest threat the united states. >> on meet the press with our colleague kristin welker and she asked him about what has transpired in the past 24 hours, take a listen. >> what is your response to americans that see those missiles being intercepted in the skies overnight and believe that this has already escalated? >> i would ask the americans that saw last night what happened to take insight and how they are defending their interest in the region, and

also, reiterate what i said before, know that the president is working the diplomatic side of this personally. >> it's that last piece that i want to pick up on the president working the diplomatic side of this personally, your sense of what that looks like him of the resources that the president has at his disposal? >> yes, we know right from the very beginning from going back to october, when the attacks occurred, on the israeli people, launched from gaza by the hamas terrorists who of course are iranian proxies that right from the beginning, president biden wanted to make sure that the conflict that was coming because of course we knew israel would have to take action to root out those terrorists. he wanted to make sure that the conflict would not spread further. we saw iran's proxies though you know spreading the conflict we saw the who tease, we saw

hezbollah attacking israel but all along if you paid close attention to what the administration was saying and doing in terms of putting u.s. forces stationing forces in the middle east and surging forward there if you will mostly on the sea and in the air, we were essentially saying to iran, you know keep this at a low simmer. and just one other point back in january, the israelis assassinated a high-level hamas leader in lebanon and at that point we were really afraid that iran might take action like this or maybe not exactly like this but iran might take escalate tory action and actually it didn't, the word according to press reports was that iran told its proxies to cool it and they decided not to take action at that point in time. >> you have the russian foreign minister calling for restraint

after this attack noting that we express our extreme concern over another dangerous exhalation in the region, russians foreign ministry said in a statement on the attacks we called on all parties involved to exercise restraint, how do you assess the russian assessment of this matter? do you think they are just going to set a whole back are they going to lean in? are they going to get in iran's year and say you have to bring it down a notch, how do you perceive russia playing a role to some extent in this? >> a great question i think russia has zero credibility they've gained a lot of support from iran in fact many of the drones on the battlefield in ukraine are iranian drones, some of the similar drones that iran launched last night against israel. and i think actually russia prefers iran to stir the pot in the middle east and it takes world attention away from russia and ukraine, you can see this bill stalled on capitol hill, russia is enjoying seeing

that play out and as far as russia's concern them would much rather have the united states and the international community focusing on that conflict. >> you have this idea now that this space is narrowed and moved in a different direction away from the pressure to bring dollars to support ukraine and so russia, doing a profiling here and saying everybody needs to settle down in the u.s. don't get too headstrong. iran don't you get too headstrong. trying to play that sort of middle space when they are happy that they are not. >> it's evident on the points that jeremy just made, you have president of ukraine who tweeted about the drones and said ukraine condemns iran's on- topic, attack on israel. using the same drones and russian missiles the same tactics of mass airstrikes,

there is a story that posted around 1 am in the washington post this morning that talks about the drones that saturate the sky over ukraine looking for any movement and as every day goes by that ukraine has not received the humanitarian aid from the supplemental package and just to be clear the aid is money that will go to the pentagon to buy weapons that were made in america to send to ukraine, they are slipping deeper and deeper into peril on the front lines. >> yes, this is zelenskyy clapping back at the russians saying you guys don't want escalation? you were working with a run and all of this, frankly i wouldn't be surprised if later we found out in the history books that russia was tipped off about the hamas attack maybe not exactly on the date in october when they launched it, but that the russians were more than happy to let their

iranian friends and the proxies do what they had to do or what they thought they had to do. vis-@-vis the innocent israeli civilians so you know russia has blood on its hands, and these missiles are also being, not missiles rather, the drones are being manufactured down in russia so the iranians not only are giving drones to russia but they've helped them set up factories, the russians i understand have made the drones better. the ukrainians i was there two weeks ago, and we felt the barrage of drones and artillery so this is very real every day for people in ukraine. this iranian drone threat. >> i hope you will take this question in the spirit in which i am asking it jeremy which is who him if anyone here believes they benefit from regional escalation? >> nobody believes they benefit from regional exploration except for i think the leadership of iran. and iran believes that for

internal purposes if they can focus on an external enemy the quote unquote zionist enemy, then that potentially fortifies leadership, there are autocrats, they rule over a population of people who don't want to be led by the theocracy into ron and so there has been green revolutions and other demonstrations in the streets that we know the treatment against women by the iranian regime so i think they need external enemy in some ways to keep and maintain control in iran and they are picking on the smallest country in the region the american ally the country that doesn't fit in with other countries there and they believe that's going to maybe fortify the regime but it's not going to work because america's got israel's back in these defensive measures almost completely. >> convening the g7 partners today and compensating with them to update them also i

think to put together some level of diplomatic response and maybe some level of coordination. over the next week, how do you assess you know, what we may see coming out of that conversation with our g7 partners? >> it is sort of related to the couple of questions you guys just asked because i think that iran actually doesn't want this to escalate i don't think. just like the january episode, this time yes, they used an attack directly on israel was choose escalate tory but they said we consider this now done, we are done now. now, so now the worry is what is israel going to do? i think the administration managed to convince netanyahu, fingers crossed because there were thankfully very little in the way of casualties, i think

just one injury, that israel will not strike back directly at iran hopefully. but i think the g7 needs to buckle down and get the situation under control so i think biden is saying to our allies, listen we need to provide assistance to ukraine. we need to provide assistance to israel and provide assistance to taiwan, all these things are in can interconnected because the bad guys are working together. it's not just russia and iran, china is helping with the war effort and north korea so it's really important for the democracies of the world, the strongest economies to stick together and work diplomatically to resolve this and use our military deterrent and our economic power to do so as well. >> evelyn, jeremy, thank you very much. coming up next, what the attack on israel means for the country's ongoing campaign in gaza. you are watching the weekend. some migraine attacks catch you off guard, but for me a stressful day can trigger migraine attacks too. that's why my go to is nurtec odt.

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u.s. officials are privately expressing frustration with israel's decision to strike the iranian consult in syria on april 1. it's according to new nbc news reporting saying israeli leaders did not think through the implications of the attack. including how it might impact negotiations to release hostages being held by hamas in gaza. to help us break down the last roughly 14 hours could mean for the war in gaza we have the editor and chief of foreign policy, ravi agrawal. >> thank you for being with us today, i know you all have been extensively reporting on these developments over the last 24 to 48 hours, but foreign policy has also done a deep dive reporting on the war essentially that has broken out between israel and hamas in the aftermath of the october 7 attack. on the people of israel. where do we stand right now as it relates to gaza and the palestinian people within the

gaza strip? >> well, there is so much going on there, the hostage negotiation talks which involves a prisoner release, that's pretty much being stymied over the last few days in part because both sides are unable to reach a clear agreement. but the attacks of last night or this morning i think changed things a little bit in that if you think about the situation in gaza even jargon which is being one of the most critical actions, jordan came to israel's aid last night and trying to intercept some of the hundreds of missiles and drones that iran sent israel's way and in a sense, the united states has been trying to push israel so much to curb its actions in gaza to care more about the humanitarian situation there. a lot of that stops for the time being as all sides try and imagine and examine how much

damage is caused by last night's attacks, which is very little thankfully but also what kind of escalation we might see if israel decides that it needs to respond in a tougher way and of course that becomes the focus rather than anything that's going on in gaza right now. >> what are the biggest aspects of this that has animated the conversation here in the u.s. particularly or among younger citizens and voters, is the humanitarian crisis that is being played out there, john kirby was on meet the press a little bit ago talking about this, take a listen. >> there is still a very dire humanitarian situation in gaza and after the last call, not last night but the one before that with the prime minister, the prime minister assured the president that he would meet and work with getting more

traction and aid and i think that has happened in the last few days, something on the order of 2000 trucks of dining just sense the discussion with prime minister netanyahu a week or so ago, is it enough? no, it has to be sustained over time. >> in the eyes of a lot of americans it is not enough, how does this story continue to play out as not just the backdrop but in part of what we see happening right now with iran and israel is their concern that this particular aspect gets further pushed behind, lost in the conversation? as more and more palestinians suffer? >> it does, unfortunately. you know all of the cause and calls from progressive democrats to condition, or to pull back or use the leverage that the white house has over israel, to impact some of benjamin's, netanyahu's policymaking to push it to move towards a prison exchange to push it towards sending more

humanitarian aid. or any humanitarian aid and israel's case, all of that gets put to the wayside at least in the immediate aftermath of what we saw last night again because last night was just so big. this was the first direct attack from iran on israel, iran has used proxies throughout in the shadow war of source the last few decades but this was a real escalation and it changes things it means that israel to can now responds in a more direct way it changes the nature of how these two countries approach each other. and it changes the role of the proxies that they have been declined, amid all of this, you know there is a real sort of ignoring of what's going on in gaza that's been the case for the last six months. but it means that there is less emphasis now in the coming days. if, if the united states is able to convince israel to not to respond in a big way, if it

is able to do that, if it's able to calm tensions down in the region, then you can imagine that we could get back to trying to focus on what to do next in gaza and to focus on a prisoner exchange. and to focus on ending the hostilities of this phase that began on october 7. >> let's talk about the big if because i have been asking that question and i don't feel like i have received a sufficient answer, there is the conversation between president biden and prime minister netanyahu which made it clear we stand with israel. but if that is not going to be the case so the direct communication and diplomacy of the president himself where else can the united states apply pressure to netanyahu? >> the biggest element of pressure that the united states has was conditioning aid. that military aid which is

significant and in a moment like last night it become so clear that american military support is so important so in a sense, iran's actions last night have made america support all the more necessary, you will see this morning already republican policymakers in the united states are making the case that you know we need to increase aid to israel not the other way around so this then becomes a political football in the united states and i mean i guess this is the point of this segment but, gaza is forgotten amidst all of that where this becomes a bigger sort of geopolitical gain, the situation on the ground only continues to get worse. i don't think the united states has been able to ply significant leverage in the last few months, and this, the attacks of last night make it harder for it to do so, crucial

in all of this is being able to de-escalate so the fact that the united states came to israel's aid the british royal air force did, the jordanians did as well which is a significant given how critical they have been of israel. gives them all some room to say look we help you out. in a very tough moment, now listen to us, the question is whether israel will and we don't know that. >> that is in fact the question, thank you for being with us. jason crow who sits on the foreign affairs and intelligence committee will join us at the table, this is the weekend. the weekend. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. did you know you can get 40% off a single pair of glasses at america's best? these savings won't last forever. unlike your eternal elation. ok, settle down. you know, for someone who doesn't wear glasses you sure are excited.

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jason crow of colorado who is a member of the house foreign affairs and intelligence committees. >> good to have you with us this morning, give us a sense of how the members that you have spoken to, what you are hearing about what happened last night, where the administration is currently positioned? and basically telling that netanyahu take the win , no more escalation here. how are you seeing this and particularly how does this now level up the conversation on funding? not just for israel but ukraine? >> certainly we have pretty good visibility into what iran is doing is i wouldn't say that this is necessarily a surprise and they were forecasting some of this too. this goes into the risk calculation, and there is a big question in my mind as to whether or not they wanted this forecasted because they wanted some of these missiles to be intercepted as a way to assess their risk and mitigate their risk so right now i have not received a classified briefing

yet since this has happened so when i go back into session on monday, the intelligence committee will receive those briefings and there's a lot of questions in our mind i think one of the biggest questions we are asking ourselves is has iran's risk calculation vis-@- vis israel and regional conflict changed? they are very good at using proxies that's what they do. they're very good at going right up to the line but avoiding a broader middle east conflict. >> this was a direct attack? it is different and quantitatively and qualitatively different, the number of missiles, something we have not seen before, the drones and the fact that it came directly from iran so the question a lot of us are asking is are they now looking for a broader middle east conflict whereas they were not before. >> to that question i think there are a lot of americans today waking up representative crow who may have family in the region and invested in the

region and people are asking mri as an american less safe than i was 15 or 16 hours ago, what would you say to them? >> i would say no but the united states is standing by israel, we surged resources into the region days ago actually over a week ago. president biden, the national security council and defense secretary austin, they are tremendous national security leaders and very experienced in these issues. they are doing exactly the right things in responding to this and putting defensive measures into place the risk has been very high for months now, the fact that this attack has happened doesn't mean that there hasn't been substantial risk and many of us who have been paying attention to this know that the risk is higher certainly in my lifetime of a broader middle east war than it has been in a long time. so this is a delicate situation and this underscores the importance of having great leadership in the white house, great leadership in the cia and the defense department and the

state department which we certainly do right now. >> the congressman last week when you all left town, this week's legislative calendar included things like refrigerators. and just very important legislation as it relates to the american people we know from congressman's elyse that it is shifting in the conversation about aid to israel specifically is on the table for next week, i want to play for you what john kirby had to say about congress and aid this morning on meet the press. >> you and i both know, the votes are there, but we are just looking for leadership out of the speaker's office. >> looking for leadership out of the speaker's office, we had congressman meeks on earlier this morning who noted the only aid package there is only one bill he would support in the bill that was passed in the senate in february that had aid to ukraine, israel, taiwan and humanitarian aid for gaza is

that the only package you with support when it comes to the aid that is much now needed for allies, israel but also ukraine? >> i want to go to your original point about the agenda for this week, which was the best of the best for house republicans culture war agenda, they continue to focus on things to try to rollback important life and safety regulations on appliances. this is stuff that you know is absorbed, they try to make a big deal about these issues that are not in front of mind of americans. gas stoves, refrigerators, safety regulations, meanwhile we have substantial national security issues facing the country from ukraine to taiwan, to israel that's what we continue to be focused on the senate passed overwhelmingly passed a bipartisan national

security bill and we can take that up tomorrow because we can pass it tomorrow overwhelmingly. they still refuse to do that. that is what this is all about. we need to move a bill, we need to move it now, these conflicts are all tied to one another, we see iran and north korea, china, russia are all coordinating and now working together we need a comprehensive national security bill we have one in the senate bill let's get it done. >> i think that's the frustration for a lot of folks that you have these great events that are all converging together you know, you got the ongoing narrative between russia and ukraine and israel and palestine now you have israel and iran and you have a congress that is sitting there as rightly noted worried about gas stoves and appliances, how do democrats at this point level up the conversation and leverage against those storylines. and take and use the rules of the house use the rules that are available to push back on

this level of inability to move on these big issues. because you have particularly with ukrainians and the palestinian people two communities that are suffering desperately and not so much for different reasons, i mean famine and war exact the same cruelty and so the reality that the congress has right now, to step in and do something, is there anything democrat leaders, democratic leaders in the house can do using the rules against this sort of slow roll by republicans? >> there is two issues going on here, one is i need to continue to communicate to america. to tell the story and we have a great story to tell, last congress also with a very narrow majority immigrants were in control of the house,

president biden in the white house, we were the most legislatively successful congress in generations, not since lyndon johnson have we passed more, climate crisis to healthcare, we do that with a very narrow majority and then contrast that with right now, one of the least reductive congresses in american history so continuing to tell that story and continuing to tell the fact that the democratic party is now the party of national security, we are the ones that helped to negotiate a bipartisan immigration, border security bill that would've taken up until later. we want to campaign on this, we are the ones that want to continue to push ukraine not because that's a charity bill but because that's in u.s. national security and economic interests. this is not charity, this is looking out for the american

people so we have a great story to tell. there are some legislative procedures that are available to us. because there are some moderate republicans understand this, understand that. and a lot of those are my fellow veterans, i'm very close with my fellow, veterans in the house and a lot of folks say listen, this is a generational moment, a church hill moment where we have to step up and do big things. and we are talking to those folks about how we move this forward if we need to. >> appreciate you coming in congressman, stick around because next we are going to pivot to the former president and his new election lies, you are watching the weekend. week especially for those sudden gush moments. always discreet protects like no other. with a rapid dry core that locks in your heaviest gush quickly for up to zero leaks. always discreet- the protection we deserve!

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donald trump is wasting no time spreading election lies more than six months out from the 2024 election, the former president and speaker of the house mike johnson made their pitch for new legislation to crack down on noncitizen voting on friday. despite the fact that the practice is already illegal and occurs rarely. back with us, congressman jason crow of colorado. >> given that you were in the u.s. capital, on january 6, given that you continue to show up to work in a place where you and your colleagues experienced trauma at the hands of donald trump and his followers, i wonder what concerns you most, about the fact that one, he is continuing to sow seeds of discord going into yet another

election and the fact that we find ourselves here on the precipice of that election with him not having yet been held accountable by any court or body. >> it concerns me most is the normalization of extremism. whether that's political extremism or just violent extremism and we are seeing those two merge right now, listen after january 6, there was this brief moment in time where i thought that the fever had broken. we had republicans and senior republicans and leadership in the house and the senate saying enough is enough we will not do this anymore, we are moving in the wrong direction and that unfortunately did not last long, donald trump consolidated his support primary people who stood up against him who voted to impeach him. that trend continues and they are trying to rewrite history. calling these criminal goals, these political hostages and

this is a moment of political extremism and we have to unite against it and stand up against it. >> you said something that i think is important to emphasize over and over and over again, this is not normal. and there is no way that we should in any regard treat this as normal, what this former president has been saying. since 2020, has been a lie. and he has twisted that lie into all kinds of shapes and forms in our judicial system and political system, how do we go about now, as we get ready for 2024, safeguarding our institutions, safeguarding the public against this continual spread of lies? how do we stand, what do you say to the american people if you look at them and say this is what you need to know.

this is an election coming up between a man who wants to be a dig tater who is lying to you about the truth, right? and another man who yes, he may be older. but you know, he's getting the job done. had you make that case so people understand the stakes? >> we continue to tell the truth, if their strategy is to lie and lie and lie, hoping that eventually the lie will stick just because the repetition and we have to continue to tell the truth and not back down and just be consistent and be firm and strong with that. secondly, i tell the american people and my constituents all the time, just how does this feel to you? people are smart. there's this gut instinct that someone is telling you a lie and something seems off, listen to that feeling. then a lot of people will tell me that about donald trump and they will say sometimes when he says sounds good doesn't sit right with me, it seems inconsistent so listen to that gut. then the third is local and state elections matter a lot. we manage our election system locally into the states and

making sure we are supporting candidates who not one political party and one individual but micro c and rule of law and electoral system and integrity in the system matters a lot. >> you make the point about electing people who are committed to democracy and we talk about that often here and i think when we say that people think we are having some big lofty conversation that we are not rooted in reality, and i really thought that the american people believe that our systems have a failsafe but our systems, like are only as strong as the people who work in them. who believe and our democracy is only strong and the people are the failsafe. in congressman i just wonder if you are concerned about to me what feels like a gap between the general public's

understanding of that point, that there is not some magical failsafe that's built within the system that it's all going to be okay, the crazy will never prevail, it did not prevail in january 6 because of the people, mike pence stood up, as you noted members of congress who are democrats and republicans stood up and stood together and said this is not who we would like to be. >> you hit on i think the lesson of the last five to six years and that there is no document and no norm or tradition and there is no government agency and nobody who's going to fly in here on the cape and save us. democracy is just that. it is people who wake up every morning and decide to enforce it. who decide to fight for who decide to work for it, the

american people, the heroes of the story will be the american people, and nobody else will come in here and save this but it's going to take work and be hard and actually i get encouragement out of this because we could come out of this better and stronger emma growing up like you said thinking that democracy is some abstract and external force out there, no, it's just us. and i think we have learned that. and then we can get through this. and if we do we will be better off. >> well said, colorado congressman jason crow thank you for coming in this morning, he gave us some positivity. and i think that's what we needed, much more to discuss after a quick break. break. it's a mouthful. one of the harder things is the little things that i need help with: getting dressed, brushing your teeth, being able to go out with your friends by yourself. those are hard because you don't want help, but you need it.

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>> we knew going into this week but it was going to be a hugely consequential week in part because you have at the start of the trump hush money case, the hush money trial out of new york during jury selection, as we came on the air apparently the former president attacking judge rochon taking the boundaries of that gag order, and then you layer onto it

everything that is developing in the middle east, we talked a lot about weeks that could be hugely consequential not just for politics before our democracy and this certainly feels like one of those weeks. >> i absolutely believe it is and again what people will see tomorrow in that i know we refer to it as a hush money trial but it is an election interference that will kickoff in new york with jury selection on monday and it may not, what we see coming out of the sketches and the reporter, standups that happen because there will be no cameras in the courtroom may not feel hugely consequential in the moment but it is the history books will record what happens tomorrow. and the history books are going to record what happened and what will happen in the day and months moving forward as it relates to not just the middle east but how americans and members of congress choose to stand up and act think president biden has led

throughout this very tumultuous moment extremely well and congress now has to stand up and do their part, for the world. >> for me, simone and congressman crow nailed the last three hours of our conversation and summarizing that the failsafe as the people, the failsafe for our democracy here at home, are the american people as we watch former president go on trial for the first time in our history. as we wait with very different views of what it means to be an american president let alone what type of america we are going to be in the future, the failsafe is the american people, the failsafe in the middle east are the palestinian people and israeli people. who recognize that their governmental leadership has gotten them in a very bad situation, failsafe in ukraine have been the ukrainian people,

who fought back against the tyranny and aggression of russia so i think the common thread for me in all of these conflicts and all of these scenarios that we have seen really boil down to how the people are affect did and impacted and how the people are going to move their governments and move their countries forward. and that is a secret power that i hope the palestinian, the israeli and ukrainian and american people really appreciate as they deal with the challenges in front of them, you are the strength that you need, you just need to pull that strength together collectively and that was a very nice lesson it but i got simone put on the table at the end. >> it takes all of us collectively, here in america, globally, all of our partners it will take all of us and i just don't want people to despair because we have this weighted conversation and i think people are looking at the

news and alecia put it on the table well to the congressman when he first came on she said what do you say to people that are looking at the news and they feel that they are concerned that they are not safe. and i just think people have to have hope. because without hope there is no, we can't have a positive vision and where there is no vision the people perish. >> i was going to say connect the dots where we ask these experts who have been in these rooms and pull back the curtain for us and tell us about the conversations and the options being presented one of the elements of that calculus is where is your country? where is your electorate, which way are they leaning, that is a factor, right? we may not physically be in those rooms. but in so many ways our voices show up there. >> absolutely and i will sum it up this way everything doesn't have to be hard enough to make you cry, everything does not have to be very difficult for

you to have to deal with, the strength is that you find for your neighbor and your friends and community and i think that's an important lesson here. as we watch humanity globally deal with these crisis. >> and actually worked very well it was a fitting end thank you. and think you guys out there for being with us this morning that does it for us, the weekend, very busy sunday morning, picking up our breaking news coverage next and later this morning on inside we will get the latest on the developing situation in israel from national security council spokesperson john kirby you are watching msnbc. watching msnbc. with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ in theaters now.

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