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israel says it will respond to and president airstrikes by iran but no final decision has been made according to an official in the prime minister sophists. biting ministration officials told nbc news that all the iranian drones and missiles were aimed at a military base and officials did not know whether over 100 missiles launched were intercept dead or struck israel with israel saying they intercepted nearly all of the 300 drones and missiles launched by iran toward its territory and those that made impact causing only minor damage and some iranians took to the streets to celebrate the attack.

iran signaled it would not launch any further strikes unless attack. also happening right now, president biden can be mean and meeting the g7 leaders to discuss united response with all members unanimously condemning the attack. president biden telling the israeli prime minister to take the win and avoid retaliation. a u.s. official telling nbc news today that the u.s. will not take part in any offensive operations against iran and lawmakers today offering different views on how they should respond. >> i think one option would be to take out the facilities where the drawings and rockets came from and also destroy the manufacturing facilities that build the drones and rockets. not just for israel's sake also

for the ukraine sake because these rockets and these drones are being bought by russia and are killing ukraine's district ukrainians. >> we do not want to see it go into wider conflict but i'm constantly looking at the iranian nuclear weapon capability and they could get pretty close pretty fast if they chose to do that >> we have a number of correspondents and analysts in place and joining us is roxanne foods -- ralph sanchez. do we have any facts that we can report?>> reporter: in just the last couple of minutes, i spoke to an israeli official and this is after the conclusion of israel's work cabinet meeting and the official tells me that israel will respond to our ron's attack but at this point no final decisions have been made about the timing or the scale

of that response. this official says to me it is clear israel will respond but the question is when and at what scale and those are difficult decisions ahead for israeli decision-makers and this official says they want to see more options from the israeli military before they come to a final decision at the headlight there is israel were respond. that is not what the biting ministration wants to hear and that is not what president biden directly urged israeli prime minister netanyahu to do in their phone call yesterday and his words that a response can take many forms and this does not mean that israel is committing to striking back at iran on the same kind of scale with hundreds of drones and missiles. it's not even clear that israel would necessarily take credit for the response.

it could be some kind of covert operation as we have seen israel repeatedly operating inside iran against iranian officials and against the iranian nuclear facility without ever taking credit for it but the israelis are saying that there has to be a response given the unprecedented nature of what we saw last night. the israeli military in the last few minutes updating the nation saying it is 350 or so missiles or drones that they believe were fired at israel and they are saying that they are extending restrictions that have been in place since last night but they are going to try to lift them as soon as they possibly can and thus israeli military spokesperson praising the israeli people for staying calm in the face of that massive bombardment. >> when they talk about retaliation or some sort of a strike, is there a timeframe in which they intend to act?>>

reporter: no timeframe at this point. one of the things that the official says they are considering is does israel need to retaliate now or can it afford to wait? a member of the israeli work cabinet and the only member of the body tube spoken at any length publicly said israel will respond at a time and manner of their choosing. so at this point, no decisions on when that response would be. the official saying to me that one of the other big considerations is what impacts would any escalation have on the war in gaza. the israeli military is calling out two more brigades to send into gaza after pulling a number of troops out of southern gaza and out of the area over the last two weeks or so. there is concern that a wider escalation across the region could have a minimum distracts

and derail the operations inside of gaza where prime minister netanyahu said they are determined to continue pursuing the destruction of hamas and continue the effort to try to bring those 130+ hostages home. >> excellent reporting is always. i will take that and run with it in our interview as i turned to retired admiral and former supreme allied commander of nato and now chief international analyst and also deputy national security advisor. i'm glad you're both here admiral, the un secretary- general said neither the region nor the world can afford another war. after the events of last night and after hearing the excellent reporting on that which has been discussed inside the israeli work cabinet and after hearing andrea mitchell's excellent reporting on that that was discussed on the united states leadership. tell me where you think things stand?

>> let's start with the g7 representing a huge percentage of the world's gross domestic product and typically the united states steers that group , issuing a statement alongside the united nations secretary- general and clearly the biden administration would like to avoid quite sensibly a real regional war. therefore, there will be a lot of pressure on israel. i know very well and worked with him for four years when i was nato commander in charge of u.s.-israeli military relationships and i take him at his word and i think there will be a response at a time and place of israeli choosing. i would look look for siberite or covert or continuation of inside iran options and i don't see a big thunder and lightning storm like we saw last night.

final thought, a pretty good day for the air defenders to knocked down 300 drones, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and clearly iran telegraphed this and were leaning forward to do so but the fact that no big group of israelis were killed with no damage on the ground gives israel some breathing space to make a decision. i think we are in that breathing space portion. >> even to amplify what he said, raf sanchez said they updated and the work cabinet meeting that it was 350 attempted strikes so to your point, very successful on that point. however, when it comes to the israel's work cabinet, they are portraying the attack as a failure and popular bully district probably because it was not something that came to ruination of communities or attacks on people but is there still a surprise on the world

stage that iran was bold enough to attack israel directly for the first time? >> to some extent and that probably was the main impulse for the attack and there has been an ongoing war essentially between israel and iran for years through proxies or attacks in third countries and two thinks it happened in recent weeks that are different and unprecedented. you had the israeli strike on the iranian diplomatic facility in syria that killed several senior members of the revolutionary guard and iran takes that as part of their sovereign territory. then iran it ratchets it up and do something unprecedented and launches from iranian soil a large-scale attack on israel and part of what's interesting and people are digesting is that if iran really wanted to escalate this into a wider war that they

probably would have activated hezbollah their proxy and southern lebanon to fire thousands of rockets pointed at israel and probably would not have telegraphed so much what they were doing. sure, they wanted to hit israel, make no mistake and testament to the air defense capabilities that they were not able to but it seems like they put out a statement from the un representative saying this is as far as we're concerned and they would like to revert back to the status quo where there is not direct military confrontation but there is probably the ongoing proxy conflict so the decision that israel has to make his having received that signal from iran, do they respond by hitting iranian proxies and do they respond in syria and lebanon or do they feel like they need to answer to hit iranian territory? that is the kind of thing that would ratchet things back up and what they might do is

something about this for moe covert so it doesn't feel like a direct kinetic escalation but the reality is we are in a tenuous moment where things can revert back to the already tenuous conflict between iran and israel or israel can make the decision to take the next step by hitting things inside of iran and clearly what the biden demonstration wants is that not to happen. >> reverting is one thing but when you take away the word unprecedented, this is happened and how concerned are you that this is now something that could be somewhat normalized, i ran attacking inside of israel and israel attacking inside of her ran, potentially. i want you both to answer. >> i'm very concerned and this

is what we have seen since october 7 and there's been an ongoing conflict in the region for years that you have seen the risk tolerance go up in israel and obviously the tolerance for the kind of level of destruction that we have seen inside of gaza but also the degree to which you've seen the iranian proxy forces attacking u.s. forces much more aggressively than in the past. and u.s. airstrikes knock that back but the houthi attacks on shipping and the israeli attacks on a diplomatic facility and i think you're right that as long as the war is ongoing and this is why ultimately unless there is a cease-fire in gaza, we are in this unsettled space and as long as the war is ongoing the risk of escalation and the risks of unprecedented things happening in the rest of that continued to creep into a broader regional war remain. >> admiral, now your turn, the

prospect of unprecedented no longer being unprecedented and opening the door for some normalization of this kind of back-and-forth. >> i agree with ben, very concerning and on the other hand because of all the external pressures at play here and because the world knows that if this goes regional, step one by the iranians will be to shut the strait of hormuz and that goes 20 to 25% of the world's oil with dire consequences globally and literally nobody wants that at this point and certainly not the biden administration so there are some speed brakes on what is a very dangerous situation in the final thought because i did not mention it earlier is another kind of in the middle real action would be to go after iranian naval assets, spy ships operating in

the red sea that are giving targeting information and the supply ships that are moving weapons to the houthis and all of that is a kind of in the middle target and a bit different than jets whistling overhead to tehran but still iranian territory and i will add that to the options list being considered alongside cyber, covert and the things i mentioned earlier and the bottom line is it is up very precarious moment and all of us globally ought to be counseling on both sides and i would predict china, for example, might be saying to the iranians, this is not the time for war just as we are saying that to the israelis. >> john kirby was asked about back channel communication with iran before the attack, take a listen to what he said. >> i would just say that we made it very clear to all parties including iran what we

would do and how we would continue to defend israel and also how seriously we would take any potential threat to our personnel and facilities in the region. >> can you give us more insight into how this kind of communication happens and how much of a role the u.s. could play in keeping the peace going forward? >> to be a bit more specific and obviously john will conceal the private channels but in the obama years at times we were in direct contact with iranians because negotiations around the nuclear deal when we weren't there a third countries you can you surpass a message. the monies were often a channel of communication to the iranians. turkey and in this case the u.s. is probably calling up everybody that has a line including china. and saying now is the time to communicate to iran to not

ratchet this thing up and ideally not take any action but certainly not to seek a regional war sofi activate all the lines of communication, some are probably more active than others and part of the message that the u.s. is sending is we don't want to be involved directly so do not even think about hitting any of our forces are personnel and we are going to provide air defense support to the israelis and also we are going to evaluate what you do and that will inform moving forward but the u.s. is probably also sane, we don't want to be involved in this and do not want a direct conflict and i'm sure the messages are being sent right now and are ongoing chains of communication. >> we know the swiss have played a critical role. the biden administration is pushing israel to don't retaliate and is president biden still have enough influence over the israelis to rein in any potentially impulsive actions?

>> i think so and we start with the level of weapons systems support, ammunition that we provide and there has been a lot of talk across the political spectrum of using that as leverage in the case of reducing israeli operations in gaza and that is very real. in my dealings with the israelis, there quite cognizant of how much of their material support comes from us. and number 2, intelligence support. we get a lot of great intelligence from the israelis and they get a lot of great intelligence from us and that is to speak it that can be dialed down, if necessary and third and most importantly, there is simply the leverage of allies and partners went back to the founding of the state of israel. we were the first nation to recognize israel and we have always stood with israel. there is a high degree of moral

sway that goes into that as well and i think all three of those are ways in which there is real leverage here and i suspect the president is applying it judiciously but hopefully effectively too to tamp all this down. >> a very important conversation with the bose. in a just few minutes i will speak with the prime minister about that next move after that i ran attack and whether he thinks the remaining october 7 hostages are still alive. i'm also going to speak with the congresswoman meddling dean to get her thoughts are headed tomorrow's historic trial for donald trump. next on the cusp of history, donald trump makes a bold claim, about 200 million americans. ericans. aaaaash.

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less than 24 hours away from the historic hush mini trial where donald trump will become the first former president of the united states to stand trial in a criminal case. he is expected to appear in the near courtroom as jury selection begins but last night he opted to hold a rally and battleground pennsylvania where he tested the limits of his newly expanded gag. joined me now is jake taylor. you have been following donald trump through this unique campaign journey. what did he say last night at the rally and what can we expect for tomorrow? >> hosting the campaign yesterday it was clear that the former president was in a new york state of mind. i have attended most of his rallies and is quick to talk about the criminal cases he's facing and none more so than last night and specifically the hush mini trial. there are two big things he was

attempting to send home with supporters and the first is it a criminally strategic time trial to get him off the campaign trail and he said it a ton last night and he made the claim that over 200 million americans are on his side and believe he is wrongfully being tried. take a listen. >> here's the thing, they could've done this thing seven years ago. there trying to rush it but they do it right for in the middle of our election campaign . when i walk into that courtroom, i know i will have the love of 200 million americans behind me. that's right. >> while it may not be as consequential in the public interest compared to some of the other criminal trials he's facing but it is clear that people care about what's going to happen beyond the criminality of the actual case

in a recent reuters poll shows that two thirds of registered voters believe it is a very serious trial and another political goal reports is one third of moderate or independent voters say they are less likely to support him if he is actually convicted. we see the way he campaigns and the way he attempts to spin this and ultimately there is a lot of severity into what will kickoff tomorrow when the trial starts. >> he has a unique way of figuring out his math. thank you very much for that. the state attorney for palm beach county florida is with me. lawyers in the manhattan criminal court trial tomorrow will begin this very critical process of whittling hundreds of potential jurors down to 12 and six alternates. what does that process look like? >> it's good to be wiki with you. it's a uniquely american process were average citizens will be brought in and will be

asked if they can judge the case based on the evidence of the law or if they have total bias and anyone that says i'm biased, i will never vote against donald trump are gone and of the lawyers will get to questions and they will not be able to ask the jurors how they voted but you can get with her other ways and say what kind of shows and podcasts and networks unit listen to and where do you get your news and you can pretty much find out a lot by asking a bunch of questions that tiptoe around the political questions and then the lawyers will be able to strike people and hear someone who says i'm related to someone on the defense team will there gone or they can also strike people for what -- for any reason as long as it's not a bad reason. and if i can sense this person is a trump supporter and i can move to strike. you cannot have a bad reason and cannot strike someone for race, that they want to exclude

black jurors, you can't do that. it's a process and we will get jurors, there will be people who know about the case but say that they can set aside the bias and follow the evidence of the law. >> how long will this take because quite extraordinarily there are 42 questions on the questionnaire that they have to ask and answer. that is going to take a long time, is two weeks going to do it? >> you could do this in two weeks. the trial will take place within six weeks and i think they will be able to get a jury because we have always been able to get a jury. you don't need a blank slate but just people whose say i can set aside my biases. in one trial there was a big trump supporter in the juror and the eiji king case there

was a right-wing podcast and someone who had seen the ultra mega and he voted that donald trump would be liable so you can do it but you just have to have the right jury. >> donald trump says he wants to testify but across the board the analyst say it leaves him open a cross-examination and potential for perjury so is the strategy or is it just bluster and should he testify or not? >> there is no way that donald trump will be testifying. that clip you showed of him santander people -- 200 million people are with me, that is the reason that his lawyers will never put him on the stand. when you lie to the public it's okay, i guess, you will not be sued but if you lie under oath you will be putting a punch of steel bracelets in an orange jumpsuit. donald trump has a history of saying he will testify when he doesn't and did so with the e. jean carroll case and did not

and in the new york attorney general civil fraud case and said he would testify before robert mueller and he did not. there is a long history of saying this in the court of public opinion but when it gets down to it he is not taking the stand. >> some who may take the stand, stormy daniels, karen mcdougle, david . talk about these potential witnesses for the prosecution and who do you think donald trump is most concerned about. >> michael cohen is the key witness and nose were all the bottles -- bodies are buried and he continues to attack and even despite any gag order in place so they are going to go after michael cohen that he is a convicted liar, convicted felon even though he lied to protect donald trump and the felonies he was convicted of, some involve the conduct that

donald trump is being put on trial for so he will be the most devastating witness but what i most interesting is hope hicks, she has no ax to grind a net she will be there to corroborate michael cohen and that will be must-see tv and if only there were cameras in the courtroom. >> hope hicks, does it matter if she is still within the trump orbit if she is still friendly with donald trump and/or the family? >> yes, that makes for a better witness because it shows she has no bias against the former president so when she takes the stance will be doing so is someone who is an ally and yet she is cooperating because she testified before the grand jury and the reason why they will call her is a think she will be helpful. it will be interesting because in 2019 she testified before congress that he did not have anything to do our knowledge about the hush money payments

so it will be interesting to see what she says now under oath at the trial. they may have used her congressional testimony to discredit her riches another bizarre thing because she is part of his inner circle so we will see how hard they go after her. >> it will be must-see, all the reviews of everyone who's been inside the courtroom. thank you so much. later on this hour i will speak with stephanie grisham who is going to talk about one witness who could be making donald trump particularly nervous and in the meantime the anticipating this anticipation surrounding israel's next move. yeah! scrape. load. done. cascade platinum plus. covid-19? i'm not waiting. if it's covid, paxlovid.

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right now president biden is holding a meeting of g7 leaders to coordinate a united diplomatic response. which is really defenses were they able to successfully sit down. i'm delighted to have natalie team a member of the foreign affairs judiciary committee. i'm awfully glad to have you here given we are constantly on remote when we are able to speak to each other but let's talk about president biden who said to prime minister benjamin netanyahu, take the win and don't retaliate and yet we have heard reporting from raf sanchez and andrea mitchell about the expectations and the statement that they do intend to retaliate in some way and what concerns you about this and how do you see the potential retaliation playing out? >> this was an extraordinary number of structs on israel by iran. and so extraordinary number of very bold strikes but look at

what israel was able to do, defend itself so effectively and it demonstrated its ability to defend itself by use of arrow 3 by the dome against all of the brazen attacks. >> with help. the united states. >> the united states is supported israel so very glad that we continue to do that. and i think mr. biden had right to say you demonstrated your national security capabilities and your ability to defend yourself remarkably. take the win because the greater risk is escalation, a greater war in that region and there is already something we have to focus on. take the win, de-escalate, we don't want a greater war that will bring more troops in and possibly american troops at greater risk and so mr. knight and yahoo has something he needs to complete and i'm

hoping he will pivot, take the win and focus on the deal, get a hostage deal and get a bilateral cease-fire as the administration has urged and encouraged because it's about getting the hostages home. i wear this every day and it was given to me by hostage families, get them home now and of course get humanitarian aid in. had samantha power in front of the foreign affairs committee this week and said famine is present in northern gaza and within the next week and that means now, famine is present in the south of gaza for millions of people so we need to get to peace and stability in the region and america has an important role to play. >> have there been steps to debrief you on what happened or what was anticipated and is there a role that congress and specifically your committee needs to take in trying to maintain the escalation?

>> we have been in communication on our side of the foreign affairs committee with the ranking member and we expect to get it as soon as we get back in there tomorrow. >> steve scalise said congress will shift the schedule this week specifically to take up legislation to support israel and hold iran accountable. you have to wonder how it might affect speaker johnson and his willingness to or not bring the previously passed legislation through the senate that has been held up in the house to offer aid to both israel and ukraine. >> i have to tell you that i have fought for weeks and weeks if not months that we have to continue our support for ukraine and we have the national security supplemental and it is sitting right there and why would the speaker not bring it up, it is support for ukraine, israel and support for taiwan and it is urgently

needed humanitarian aid and has passed the senate and is ready to go so mr. scalise is interested in supporting israel which i am too so it must always be able to defend itself, put the bill on the floor to get support for all three nations. >> can i ask you to answer your question speculatively on why he would not do that? >> sadly i think they are playing political games with our reputation around the world. america has proven itself indispensable nation and the biden demonstration has proven itself to be an extraordinary supporter of ukraine and extraordinary friend and ally forever of israel and of course very concerned about the island of taiwan so i think they are playing political games and i think it is very sad actually and pathetic if he saw mr. johnson a mar-a-lago after the extraordinary meeting where they had a difficult time

bringing it to the floor and could not even pass their own rule and that's an extraordinary failure for the speaker but to be playing political games with support for ukraine, israel, taiwan and the important humanitarian support that is desperately needed in gaza and elsewhere and israel, frankly. i was there in february and the suffering that happened in israel and the damage and the extraordinary loss of life, property, the trauma that israel is suffering, let's focus on getting the aid into gaza to palestinians, to palestine, to the west bank that dips desperately needs it as well as to israel and the meantime shame on us if we fail ukraine. >> let's see what this week rings in congress. always appreciate having your voice on the show. donald trump in stormy daniels facing each other in court and how the former president might react to that,

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more now on donald trump's date with history after he worked every possible angle to avoid a criminal trial, the day has arrived and that date is tomorrow. the expected hush money strategy similar to other strategies, deny, delay and denigrate. joining me now is stephanie grisham the former trump administration secretary and communications director and former chief of staff to melania trump and is also the author of the book, i will take your questions now, what i saw at the trump white house. always good to have you i want your thoughts as we get within 19 hours of another trump milestone and a day of infamy for him as he becomes the first former american president to face criminal trial. >> this week is going to be incredible to watch just from

the historic aspect but this is something that i believe he has been dreading for a very long time as evidenced by how many times as lawyers tried to delay and push it back. there are so many lawsuits and trials potentially going to happen but this one for me i know is personally embarrassing to him and it will personally trouble him when it comes to his family and certainly with his wife. when we were in the white house and he was first hit with stormy daniels and karen mcdougle the playboy playmate, i was with misses trump the whole time and she was not happy about it and many days she talked to me about how unhappy she was about what was happening and chose not to go to the state of the union with him and chose not to walk to marine one with him and he fears her and she is the one person that i think donald trump really fears and respects and i guarantee this is not a great weekend or sunday for

donald trump. >> can i ask you quickly that something that ty cobb said to me and he said if donald trump which is fess up and say yes, this happened, these two affairs with karen mcdougle and stormy daniels that it would go a lot better for him at the trial and do you think and i'm not saying the affairs happen as donald trump continues to deny them do you think that with melania trump if he is not confessing it is because of melania and him not wanting to hurt her, make her angry or be on the receiving end of her wrath, whatever we submit in the court of public opinion and also honestly with his family if he did just fess up and say, this was 15 years ago and i made a mistake and being humble about it it will go a long way but legally it probably would not be good because then he is

saying that the payoff happens but he of course will deny it until the day he dies and it's just who he is. >> hope hicks is listed as a potential witness, what might the jury hear from her that could be damaging? >> a lot of people are hopeful she will drop some kind of a bombshell but my hopes are not up, i think she will not recall a lot or not remember a lot. she remains a loyalist with the trump family and this is definitely not something she would ever want to do so it makes me wonder behind the scenes she was not threatened but the prosecution said they had information that could hurt her so i'm surprised she's even testifying and i hope if she has information that she will do the right thing but my hopes are not up that she will. >> you told me that trump directed you to deny allegations related to e. jean carroll. how do you expect him to react to testimony in open court from

stormy daniels? >> i cannot imagine and i think there will be a lot of shaking his head, muttering under his breath with disgusted looks and it will be a performance for the jury must certainly and anything that comes out of her mouth he will have a reaction to just so he can speak later about what a liar she is at all the things he says about anyone who ever says anything about him so i think that will be a day despite what his lawyers probably are going to ask him to remain quiet and not show facial expressions, he won't be able to help himself. >> trump says he wants to testify and melania would push him to take a stand, do you think she is playing a role in his decision in which he be an advisor of the situation? >> behind closed doors as a husband and wife she would probably say, if you have nothing to hide, take the stand and this is just his bluster,

he has said this so many times that he is going to take the stand and then he will come out and say my lawyer told me i couldn't so i couldn't do it which is so funny because he doesn't listen to anyone, so it will be his choice, absolutely. i think he knows if he takes the stand that it will cost them a lot of trouble. >> and curious because you were around when this stormy daniels allegations and the fallout, what was that like inside the white house? what was the behavior of everybody and how concerned were they? >> everybody was extremely concerned and internally people in the west wing were nervous about what us in the east wing would be doing and melania often came out statements that were not what the west wing would want us to say about various different things so i recall one time the former president calling me from air force one to basically see how angry she was and to see if we

were putting any statements out because we never checked with the west wing if we were going to say anything so he definitely was worried and the west wing was constantly checking in with me and i never shared with them her thoughts on it because that was kind of personal private conversations between the two of us when i said we are not going to the state of the union she will just meet him on air force one, i stop there and they all knew not to push further or ask her to do any more than that. >> a growing number of your former colleagues say they are against trump's reelection and here's anthony scaramucci telling a colleague why more people may not be speaking out. >> they probably don't not like death threats, we can start there and he will be midway more organized this time and one of the reasons insurrection failed as he did not have the organizational skills. did not have the executive

management skills to run the insurrection properly and he now has willing participants on the campaign that are way more organized than him so do not underestimate that. >> do you agree with that and is there anyone else you would like to see speak publicly about their interactions with trump queen >> i absolutely agree. the death threats are what anyone who speaks out with deals with but he's right about the organization and i know people thought the first administration was a mess but there were really good actors and they're trying to work for the country and stop him from doing things and that will not be the case this time and he will only put yes people and oppositions of power including the vice president down to all cabinet members and heads of agencies and that is something that should scare the american people and they will be organized and are going to consolidate the power to the executive branch which is going to stop some of the leaders in the government to keep things

safeguarded. absolutely i think that people are afraid that he will become the next president and the kind of retaliation they will get if they speak out and to answer your question, i would love it if every single person who ever worked with him were in the white house or in his business world would speak out about who he is. there is power in numbers and the more of us to speak out then the more the american people or republicans will not be able to say, they are all lying and are all disgruntled because they cannot be the case of more and more people speak out. >> always a pleasure. coming up next the former israeli prime minister on the next move after the iran attack and the pressure on benjamin netanyahu and his thoughts on the state of the october 7 hostages. stages.

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iranian attack but no final decisions have been made. president biden has publicly reinforced support of israel but privately of the president has warned that israeli prime minister that the u.s. will not participate in any offensive operations against iran. joining me now is the former prime minister of israel and former chief of staff for benjamin netanyahu. honored to have you here. what do you think israel's response should be now? >> we have to do what america would've done with the ballistic missiles and cruise missiles towards florida and what america would do, we've got to do. decisive but clever response otherwise i run will not

understand. >> were having a bit of trouble. there you are. president biden said this to benjamin netanyahu. you got a win, take the win. do you agree we >> i don't. it's not a win. at the remarkable achievement especially for israel and we managed to thwart 330 crew missiles, ballistic missiles, drones and i believe that is the single biggest achievement in the history of the air defense systems so indeed it is a remarkable achievement but it's not a victory because they tried to hit us and they did not incur pain. if someone punches you 330 times in you have to block it

and he want them to stop punching you, you've got to punch back and there has to be pain inflicted and profound pain on the other side and i'm not talking about the iranian people but i'm talking about the iranian regime the republic islamic regime >> if you were to be advising benjamin netanyahu, how do you go about doing that and what would you want them to do? would it be covert or overt? spirit there's a plethora of ways to do it and i think it would be very wrong for me to hoist this publicly. the iranian regime is now down and a cloud of uncertainty but if we want to thrive in this region then everyone needs to understand that iran has to stop sending terror through

proxies or directly in a new era can be assured and where i run pays for its mischief and pays for its terror and ultimately we need to apply tremendous pressure on the regime and hopefully it will collapse in a few years. >> picking up on it potentially being a new era, does that mean that a response he would condone does not necessarily have to include bloodshed? i asked that because the admiral was on earlier and he said there could be a cyber attack, a crippling cyber attack. with echo far enough for you to destabilize iran in that way? >> it's what we mean for the iranian leadership to feel so much faint pain t then not

attacking israel directly or through proxies and they won't. that will not be achieved in washington but by action and i will say this that israel certainly is capable of taking the challenge on its own. we do appreciate as much backing as possible but we have never asked america or soldiers to fight for us and we're perfectly capable of doing it ourselves. >> the prospect of an iranian regime change, is that just theoretical? we have been talking about that prospect for years now. >> talking is an enough, we need to do something. soviet union in 1987 talking

about the future of the soviet union in 1987 and no one would've imagined that years later that the corrupt regime would collapse. the islamic republic of iran is corrupt and is incompetent and is disconnected from its people and therefore it's not sustainable but it depends on international coalitions. iran is a superpower of terror but very mediocre governing itself and ultimately will collapse i think the free world can do a lot of soft action, to

help it. >> there are questions about israeli hostages held by hamas and hamas is currently holding more than 100 people kept live but hamas says it does not have 40 hostages that fit the criteria for the cease-fire. what has really happened here and why hasn't hamas provided any proof of life? >> because they did not feel enough pressure to do it. hamas is simply an evil terror organization and they don't understand anything only if their own survival is at stake. if they feel it then only then they will say it. there are over 110 israeli hostages which one quarter of

them have already been executed. i'm not hearing enough public uproar on that and they don't want to deal because they feel they can survive even without a deal even if we begin the process, the last holdout of hamas and they see that it's at risk. >> the former israeli prime minister. is great to speak with you. coming up, who's who in donald trump's upcoming hush money trial and the key players to watch, straight ahead. . zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd, things changed for me.

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