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pretty heavily toward the democrats, and you know, i think this is something that the republican party is going to have to try to figure out. how do they get to where the american people are on abortion, which is basically the acknowledgement of a constitutional right. >> a lot of republicans talking about how to do exactly that. thank you all for a phenomenal conversation. that is all for today. thank you for watching. we will be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪♪ ♪♪ okay, so they launched more than 100 ballistic missiles. how many got through?
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president biden made sure we repositioned forces in the region to help israel shoot them down, so this vaunted missile defense system didn't turn out to be so vaunted. look at the resources we've put into the region. it's hard to take a look at what president biden has done and say we've gone soft on iran. >> that's national security council spokesperson john kirby fording the response by israel on the forces of iran. we'll go to the middle east in just a minute. meanwhile more pressure is being put on speaker mike johnson to bring an aid package to the house floor. we'll show how the speaker is responding. and we'll get legal analysis on donald trump's hush money trial. it's a historic day as we're
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hours away from the start of jury selection here in new york city. ♪♪ good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this monday, april 15th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day and week with us. it is a historic day here in the united states. and we'll begin this morning with iran's retaliatory strikes against israel. on saturday tehran launched more than 300 missiles and drones toward israel, marking the first time that iran has ever directly attacked the jewish state. fortunately an international military coalition led by the united states was able to shoot down 9d 9% of the missiles before they reached israel. israeli defense forces released this video of some of the missiles being intercepted. the united states defense
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department called the attack unprecedented saying the trone attacks were launched from iran, iraq, syria, and yemen. officials say only a few missiles fell inside the country, causing slight damage to an israeli air base. a young girl was the only person who was injured in any of these strikes. iran says it launched the attack in response to israel's strike earlier this month on an iranian consulate in syria. that strike killed two generals and five officers from the iranian revolutionary guard corps. in a statement iran said it now considers the matter concluded but warned of a more severe response if israel, quote, makes another mistake, adding that the united states must also stay away. now, it's not clear if israel will respond to this attack, and if they do, what it might look like. their war cabinet met yesterday but provided no details.
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officials have said israeli forces remain on high alert and leadership has approved both offensive and defensive action. in a statement war cabinet israel minister benny gantz said they will exact a revenge on iran when the timing is right. meanwhile the united states is advising israel to choose a limited response as opposed to an all-out armed counterattack. a senior biden administration official tells nbc news that the president told prime minister benjamin netanyahu that the united states will not participate in offensive operations against iran, this as the white house wants to avoid a major war in the region and does not want to deploy any additional u.s. troops. another administration official told reporters yesterday the president wants israel to think very carefully and strategically about how to respond to iran, adding that israel already got the best of this exchange since
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most of the missiles were intercepted. national security council spokesperson john kirby also reiterated avoiding a larger conflict in an interview he gave to nbc's "meet the press." take a look. >> the president's been clear. we don't want this to is ka late. we don't want a wider war with iran. i think the coming hours and days will tell us a lot. >> are you anticipating a counterattack by israel, and do you expect, has israel given the united states any assurances that it will give the u.s. a warning, a hoedsup, before it moves forward with any type of counterattack? >> how and when they respond is up to them. i'm not going to get ahead of their decision-making. >> we'll hear from john kirby when he joins us on morning joe. the biden administration is pushing israel not to push it any further, telling netanyahu
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to, quote, take the win, showing it can defend itself on anything iran can launch. the united states is doing anything it can to take down the temperature in the crisis, including making decision not to address it in the oval office. we'll expect to hear from the president later today at the white house, but it will be an effort to emphasize it's something no one wants a regional war in the middle east. now, israel's success in fechblding off iran's attacks is due in part from criticism of the united states and some arab partners. we learned british and jordanian planes played a part in the important role. they intercepted numerous drones, and two resources tell us jordan shot down dozens of
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drones that violated their airspace and were on their way to israel. joinings now, retired cia operative mark. he can help us make sense of what was a chaotic weekend in the middle east. mark, good to see you. let's talk about this really important decision facing israel right now where iran seemed to telegraph what it was going to do. they made clear they had to do something after the strike that killed their officers in syria, but they gave in some ways plenty of notice. these were slow-moving drones, many easy to shoot down. that i made it clear they dope want to escalate it further and neither does the u.s. if they need to respond, will they keep it limited and allow everyone else to move on. >> good morning, jon.
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first and foremost, ailes thought they would be catastrophe-driven. there was one israeli girl who suffered some injuries. prime minister netanyahu and his israeli war cabinet do have a bit of the luxury of time right now. i think israelis feel they must respond. this was a direct attack on israel, but perhaps we're going to see this at a lower level. how about things such as covert action, cyber attacks. i'm not condoning it, but it would send a message. israel is not going to brag about it. it would in their mind restore defense, but it's not going to provoke regional attacks. they seem to be saying they're going to take their team when they go down this route. >> they spoke all weekend long
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and do acknowledge they will do something to keep it limited. let's say they don't. let's say they don't take the president's advice to take the win and they hit back at iran and hit it hard? what happens next? tehran is certainly signaling they don't want a larger conflict, but if israel's retaliatory action is huge, will iran respond in kind and what's the danger. >> that is the danger. iran might think they have to respond as well. one key part in this, though, i think is -- you highlighted it a bit, but we need to discuss some machine -- is the anti-iran regional security infrastructure really did hold, and this is the west along with sunni arab states and israel. they banded together against iran. this is almost unthinkable. over the last several weeks, israel has turned into an
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international pa rye rah because of the events. now we see this coalition with israelis against iran. one of the things it shows is under the table, relations between israel and the united states perhaps are still intact, and i think that's a good thing and iranians see that. >> lastly on that point, it seems like at least for the moment, they set their differences aside about gaza. we still stand with israel while they're being attacked. how do you think what happened over the last few days could impact, if at all, the next stage of the kwar in gaza? >> this is the brief respite. u.s. coming to israel's age is extraordinary. we've never done something like this. but iraq's operative is still on the table. what happens now? there is still an inclination for the israelis in their mind to go to rafah.
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there are hamas rebels and leaders are still there. but that fundamental fact of is rile wanting to go into rafah is not off the table. this is something the biden administration is going to have to tackle and tackle soon. >> really important analysis to start us off this morning from retired officer mark pom ruopp lus. thank you. we'll have more later on the show. next up on a very busy "way too early," jury selection in donald trump's hush money try is set to get underway hours from now. we'll get expert legal analysis of that. and trump goes on trial, president biden is hitting the trail. we'll take a look at his campaign stops in battleground pennsylvania this week. those stories, a check on the morning headlines and a check of weather and sports when we come right back. weather and sports when we come right back
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weather and sports when we come welcome back as we turn to politics now. ahead of his hush money trial set to get started in just a few hours, former president trump hit the campaign trail in pennsylvania on saturday. just outside allentown the presumptive 2024 gp nominee mocked president biden for, quote, not being able to put two sentences together while struggling to get through his own rather disjointed speech. >> god bless the people of israel. they're under attack right now. that's because -- >> this is a magazine i never red but probably doesn't like trump. >> united states steel company. just a week ago it was reported a week ago -- and you just look at what's happening.
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>> getty'sberg, what an unbelievable -- i mean it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. it represented such a big portion of the success of this country. gettysburg, wow. i go to gettysburg the look and to. waff. and the statement of robert oechlt lee who's no longer in favor. did you notice that? never fight uphill, boys. they were fighting up4i8. he said, wow, that was as by mig stake. they lost their great general. never fight june hill, but it was too late. >> gettysburg, wow, to quote the former president. president biden will take his turn in pennsylvania. he'll make three stops in the battleground starting with his speech tomorrow in scranton.
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a biden aide tells nbc news, they're not going to mention anything about trump. they don't want to appear like they're interfering. they'll address tax cuts and abortion. reproductive rights is perhaps the key factor that could biden over the top. he's going to live there this week. there will be a lot of that between now and november. and as the general election race heats up, there's another new pole that appears to capture momentum for biden in his presidential bid. trump and biden are nearly tied. the gop candidate up. it does mark a real shift from february where in the same survey found trump leading biden by five points. that time it was 48-43.
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the change is due in large part to reversal in support among many non-white voters. after trailing by six points with hispanic voters, biden is up by trump by 9%. and with hispanics he leads be two points. when asked by the times about the choice, one voter said this. you can recover from bad policies, but you can't recover from a bad heart, and donald trump has a bad heart. the othertakeaway, these are democratic voters coming home to biden. just again, the snapshot, the trend line favors the democrat. still ahead, turning to sports, we'll show you how scottie scheffler won his second masters. plus, we'll give you a look
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now for scottie scheffler, people have been wondering who's the next star in golf? maybe they haven't realized he was here the whole time. his stardom confirmed. >> scottie scheffler is masters champion again, winning his second major title at augusta national, ranked number one for more than 40 weeks. he led by one shot before running away in the field on the back nine to earn his second green jacket in three years. he carded a 4 under 68 over the final 18 holes to finish at 11 under and win by four strokes.
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he's now the fourth youngest player with three green jackets. he is by far the best player in the world right now. congratulations to him. meantime five-time champion tiger woods closed at 77 and finished in last place, the highest 72-hole score of his career. he really struggled in the third round. his disappointed shoring comes two days after setting the masters record of making his 24th consecutive cut. we turn now to nba and the play jauch pi is in focus after the final day of the regular season. let's take you through it. the new york knicks overtook the milwaukee bucks with an overtime win over the chicago bulls. the bucks get to three seed with the orlando magic who's now 5 seed. indiana pacers blew out the atlanta hawks and they're
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sending the sixers and boston to the playoff tournament. those with the best playoff record will have the home court advantage. out west the oklahoma city thunder won a three-way race for a number one seat in the conference combined with the minnesota timberwolves losing to the phoenix suns. the denver nuggets will begin defending their nba title as the number two seed after the win over the memphis grizzlies. meanwhile the suns' win moves them up to number 6 and the final guaranteed playoff seat in the conference while the pelicans lost to the lakers. the two-day play in tournaments will start tomorrow. we will preview them then. meanwhile major league baseball will celebrate jackie robinson who back on this date in 1947 broke the color barrier
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when he made his historic debut with the dodgers. they have dedicated april 15th as jackie robinson day each year since 2004 and requesting that every player and all on-field personnel wear his number 42 during the game scheduled on the 15th. i should note the jackie robinson museum here in manhattan is worth a visit. you should go. time now for the weather, and let's go to meteorologist michelle grossman for the forecast. good to see you out there. how is it looking out there? >> great to see you. we're looking at a few things. we have several days of severe weather threats. today it's in the plains. warm temperatures will be in two thirds of the nations. we'll see breaking records, feeling like may and june in some spots. we're also looking at snow in the cascades and rockies.
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today, 14 million americans are under the risk for severe storms, hail, 2 inches or larger, risk for tornadoes, winds up to 60 miles an hour. this extends from the southern plains to the dakotas. also really warm. look at these temperatures. near 80 degrees in some spots. near 90 in others in new york city. 77, 15 degrees above normal. d.c., a eight degrees above average. we'll have a warm day for the boston marathon, warmer than most runners like it. by 9:00 a.m., 64 degrees. the forecast could be worse, but we're look at some pretty warm conditions for the race today. this is the storm system we're talking about. it's a big one intensifying throughout the day. on the cold side of the system through the rockies and the cascades. on the warm side, late-day storms. could see tornados as well.
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this is going to move off to the east tomorrow. the mississippi valley tomorrow could see a severe threat for storms. >> we'll keep an eye on that. still ahead here on "way too early," we'll bring you the latest out of the middle east, but first our next guest says donald trump is on the cusp of criminal accountability. we'll talk about what to expect as jury selection gets underway today in the former president's hush money trial. we'll be right back with that. l we'll be right back with that. has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com.
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welcome back to "way too early." it is precisely 5:30 a.m. here on the east coast, 2:30 out west on this jam-packed monday morning. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us. and in just hours from now, jury selection is set to begin in donald trump's hush money criminal trial in new york city. it needs to be repeated. it's the first time in u.s. history that a former president will be on trial for criminal charges. two sources with direct knowledge of the situation tell nbc news that 6,000 potential jurors will be subpoenaed to appear in criminal courts. normally it's about 4,000. more than 1,500 will be there today. now, not all of the jurors are intended for the trump trial, but the increase in numbers could be attributed to what is ooh happening with the former president. meanwhile on friday trump spoke with reporters during a joint
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appearance with house speaker mike johnson down in mar-a-lago and trump says he intends to testify at the trial. >> i'll be testifying. i tell the truth. all i can do is tell the truth. the truth is they have no case. there is no case. >> despite his comments his attorneys have not denied or affirmed he'll take the stand. he paid off stormy daniels in 2016 to keep queets about an alleged encounter. he denies the charges and denies ever having sex with daniels. he spent the weekend on truth social unclear if he'll hold a news conference. his attorneys doanlet want him to. joining us now, msnb justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley. he was the spokesman at the doj
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under attorney general merrick garland. anthony, good to see you this morning. walk us through what we expect to see today? how does the jury selection process work, how long does it take? what are we watching out for? >> let me start by saying this is a big day for donald trump, but it's a bigger day. ill feels like we've had a season shift and we're now in a season of accountable for donald trump. i look back to january where he was found liable for assaulting, defaing e. jean carroll. he owes the people of new york $500 million. today he faces prosecution for interfeing with the 2016 presidential election. it feels like the walls are starting to close in on donald trump. today he has one goal, and that
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is to identify one or two potential jurors who can say not guilty when this case reaches the deliberation phase of the process. so i am looking for him to try to see how he uses this process and also his physical presence in the courtroom to get that type of jury pool. >> do you think he actually will testify, and if he does, will that do him more harm or good in your estimation? >> i can't imagine that his lawyers are advising him to testify because trump's allegiance to the fidelity to the truth, i think we all know he's lacking in that regard. so i don't imagine if his lawyers have anything to do with it, that he's going to take the stand. but you know, one thing we have seen from donald trump, he makes his own calls. >> and, lastly and very briefly, as this begins tort, were he to be convicted, no sure thing, and it could be weeks from now, what sort of sentence would he face?
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could he be incarcerated? >> he absolutely could be incarcerated. this is a decision that will ultimately come down to the judge, which is a little bewildering if you step back and think about all of the ways he is antagoniing with these multiple media posts especially when he's facing a jury of his peers and if they find him guilty, then the ultimate sentence is going to come down to judge merchanmerchan. you would think he wouldn't want to an tag night someone who can sentence him to probation or jail. >> we'll have complete coverage all day, the historic trial of donald trump. anthony coley, thank you for being with us this morning. next up here, we'll go live to cnbc for an early look at what's driving wall street after
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that markets are expecting higher rates for longer stateside more so than looking at the geopolitical picture. now, when it comes to earnings, today we're going to hear from goldman sachs and charles schwab. also for this week, worth keeping in mind we're going to hear from many fed officials including from the president jerome powell. he's due to sfeec on tuesday. all of this is likely to play out in terms of the performance in the equity space, so no doubt, jon, this is likely to be a very busy week for traders. >> let's hit a couple of other headlines kwijly. oil prices fell slightly after israel fended off an attack by iran over the weekend, but could we see the prices rise if the conflict escalates? what do experts see? >> this morning we're seeing oil prices moing lower. that might sound surprising by some, including the attack over the weekend by israel on the territory, but the reality is
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markets had already priced in the prices of that to move at the back end of last week. so today we are seeing a bit of a pause in that trade in a sense where investors are actually waiting to see what will be israel's potential answer after iran's attack to understand what might happen also when it comes to oil. oil is very important, jon, because if prices move significantly higher, they could bring further inflationary pressures, and that could then impact the way the fed actually does their monetary policy this year as well. there's a lot going on here, but today we're seeing oil prices move lower so far in the session. >> lastly, a tease, the social giant whatsapp has lowered the age limit of the user in europe from 16 to 15. what's prompted the action? >> they have not said. they have not given a justification for going ahead
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with this, but one can see by lowering the age restriction here that whatsapp is likely to have more users going forward and that could be a benefit definitely for the company. what meta has said, however, they give all users options control who can add them to groups. that is their comment obviously because on the back of this decision, we have seen quite a lot of campaign groups criticizing the move saying that are concerned about child safet online. but meta has defied those criticisms thus far. >> all right. cnbc's self ya amaro from london. we'll talk to you tomorrow. still ahead on "way too early," house speaker mike johnson says house republicans are working on a foreign aid package. we'll degree into what the legislation might look like amid dproeg calls to fund israel following the attacks this week
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welcome back. house speaker mike johnson indicated yesterday that republicans in the lower chamber are putting together a foreign aid package after kweecs of inaction. this move comes as president biden held a call with top congressional leaders yesterday to discuss iran's attack on israel and the need for the house to vote on the senate-passed national security. it includes $9 billion for aid in ukraine and israel as well as assistance to gaza. meanwhile senators issued public statements pressuring speaker johnson to address the foreign aid package, but the speaker for his part has not released any details about what the house crafted aid package would
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include, but he did mention turning aid into loans for ukraine and seizing russian assets in the states. joining us now, congressional reporter for your the hill h, mychael schnell. big weekend. is there any likelihood that johnson could simply bring the senate bill to the floor for a vote even though we know that could endanger his speakership because of far right speakers figuring it could anger ukraine? >> good morning. that could be the easiest way to get foorn aid overseas, but i don't see the possibility of his pulling that senate bill on the floor. speaker johnson has come out too strong letter against it. we saw it immediately after the border deal was released and in the aftermath. despite that being the easiest way to sorts of get through this
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minefield because while it would likely voice a vote on his ouster, democrats have been on saying they would support him. i really don't see a good chance of this happening. i think it's more likely that we'll see as you mentioned aid in the form of a loan, the repo act, which was seized using frozen assets and using that to tweak ukraine and other changes to get republicans on board. one of the possibilities being border security language in there. >> if the speaker doesn't bring the senate bill and tries to create a house package, it seems like it will be israel-focused. if that's the cause, talk to us about what that would look like, but also would that spell the end of the possibility for ukraine aid unless this loan deal could get worked o it? >> yeah. it wouldn't be a good sign of that, jonathan, because, of course, throughout this enthey're time, republicans and dem contracts have been adamant
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these two greens need to be moved together. they saw the israel provision as sort of a swees never, to be able to swallow the ukraine aid because democrats and republicans want to is up support to israel. it's going to be tough to get it over the finish line, but i want to stress speaker johnson has kept his cards close to his chest. over the weekend he said the house will, quote, try again on israel aid. but in the next sentence, they're still determining the specifics of a package when they talk about the entire supplemental request. that includes aid for ukraine and taiwan. there are a lot of open questions about what exactly that will look like, and before the attack by iran over the weekend, this was intended to be the week when speaker johnson was going to approach. that's a big question to ask as lawmakers return to the house this week, but, again, i want to
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stress, there are a lot of questions about how we move forward because he's kept the cards close to his chest. >> what are you hearing in the wake of iran's attack on israel? could that quiet calls on democrats to condition further aid to israel because of anger of what was happening in gaza? >> it absolutely could. i think we're going to to ask lawmakers when they return to d.c., when folks put out statements, they can put out as many statements as they want to. i think we'll see calls from progressives to put those conditions on israel aid, but i think by and large there's going to be a united front to help israel. we're already seeing calls to put that supplemental on the $ supplemental, the aid for ukraine, for israel, and for allies in the indo-pacific. i think we're going to see a large, bipartisan majority of folks who want to help israel, but we could see some folks say, wait, we still need conditions.
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we could see other people say, well, we don't want to pass an israel only bill. this needs to move alongside ukraine. again, a lot of questions. just the one thing we know for sure, a very significant and consequential week for speaker johnson and the house of representatives. >> no question there. we'll be covering it every step of the way. congressional reporter for "the hill," mychael schnell, thank you for joining us. we have new reporting on president biden's efforts to head off a wider war after israel launched 300 drons at it over the weekend. on "morning joe," john kirby will be a guest live from the white house. also ahead, live reporting from outside the manhattan courthouse where donald trump's criminal hush money trial is set to begin with jury selection. that as president biden plans to spend the week campaigning in a key battleground state. "morning joe" just a few moments away.
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welcome back. iran's air strikes and anticipated responses is causing worry for leaders. iran's attack on israel could, quote, plunge an entire region into chaos. saudi arabia's foreign ministry put out a statement yesterday expressing deep concern over the military escalation and called on all parties to exercise restraint. british leaders are reportedly coming up with evacuation plans in case the crisis worse skpns and turns into a regional war. boats could be used to transport british nationals out in a dunkirk style evacuation if it comes to that. peter baker, so glad you could join us this morning. let's start there with your latest on president biden and how he is seeking to head off escalation. the u.s., of course, supported
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israel's efforts to defend itself using u.s. artillery to do so, but he doesn't want it to turn into a wider war. talk about his conversation with netanyahu over the weekend and other efforts by his administration. >> yeah, as you knew yourself, what the president has said since october 7th, he wants to avoid the escalation into a wider regional war. he wants to keep the crisis contained to gaza. so this last few days has challenged that priority on his part. he did support, of course, israel's right to defend itself against iran, and, of course, american forces played a key role in helping to defeat the iranian attack on israel. but his point to the prime minister was, look, you successfully defeated this attack. you showed the world israel cannot be cowed by iran, but this attack, because you managed to knock down all of almost all of these drones and missiles with almost no damage. therefore, you had a win. you don't need to retaliate
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again. he wants to avoid another round of kinetic activity, because who knows where it'll lead. see how the israeli war cabinet responds, but they're hearing that from a lot of places. restraint makes sense for them because they have isolated iran, shown iran not to be capable of doing what iran says it is capable of doing, and that ought to be victory enough. >> right. first time iran struck at israel, and israel defended itself. it did, in the president's words, get the win. have u.s. officials gotten any hints from tel-aviv as to what israel might do were they to respond? >> obviously, there's a lot of back and forth between the americans and the israelis. the israelis obviously are feeling strongly. emotions are running high. because of the reason you said, this was the first time israeli territory has ever been targeted
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trekt directly by iran. and not a small way. 300 missiles and drones is a large attack. definitely meant to do damage, even though, obviously, the american and israeli and jordanian air defenses were successful in this case. so there is a real desire and pressure on the part of the israelis to hit back, but that doesn't mean, necessarily, in the american view it's the right approach. the argument is, basically, take the victory. declare victory and go home, in effect. >> the iranian leaders suggested this will be it. they're not looking to do more. we might hear from president biden on the topic later today. he hosts the leader of iraq at the white house. >> yeah. >> peter, turn to a different topic. you've covered the presidency for so long, so we wanted to get your thoughts this morning on what is a historic day. the first time a former president of the united states will stand criminal trial.
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former president donald trump does so as the likely nominee. >> narrator: could be president again. >> we've never seen anything like that. president in the docket for criminal charges. we've seen donald trump in court a lot in the last couple years, but these have always been civil trials and motion hearings and all that kind of thing. now, for the first time, a jury will be seated to hear whether or not the former president and the punitive future president, the one who wants to go back to the white house, is, in fact, a crook, a felon. this is, you know -- we don't have precedent here, and it is testing our democracy in a significant way. former president trump is going to tell the world from the courthouse steps it's unfair, it's a witch hunt, it's a political prosecution. that'll eat away at the credibility of the system because a lot of his people will believe him and will think there's something to that. the flip side is also true. for those who have been critical of him for years and believe he's gotten away with all sorts of things, it's a moment of accountability. a moment to prove the old principle that no one is above
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the law, even a former president. >> peter, lastly and briefly, polling suggests that independent and swing voters, some will be turned off by this trial, certainly if there is a conviction. in a race that will be so close in november, could this make the difference? >> we can't make predictions, and we have to be careful. many would have thought the indictments would have turned people away from president trump, but he seemed to gain strength in the primaries. we're now in a general election contest where people who aren't necessarily inclined to go with him because he is under attack the way his own base has done. you're right, i think we don't know. it doesn't take many people to be turned off, to go to an independent or stay home, to change the outcome in the few key states that really matter. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, arizona. 10,000, 20,000, 50,000 people in one, two, or five of those states, depending on who it is, says, i don't know, i was with him but i'm not sure i want a convicted felon, should he

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