there's no obligation, and you'll receive a free beneficiary planner just for calling. good to be with you. judge merchan just admonished todd blanche for something donald trump did saying quote, i will not have any jurors intimidated in this courtroom. i want to make this crystal clear. merchan is upset because donald trump was muttering in the

direction of one particular juror and he went on to say while the juror was 12 feet from your client, your client was audibly saying something. the juror in question has been the source of furious debate in the courtroom for the past 20 minutes or so. joining us now from outside the courthouse is yasmine and we have steve kornacki standing be i to break down what the jury pool is like here in manhattan. and former district attorney for the manhattan d.a., catherine christian. who is this juror and why was she excused and brought back? >> reporter: this juror was a woman living here in manhattan. she was brought back because of those social media posts you talked about. she said that the explanation she gave was the time in 2020 about the honking of the horns reminds her -- >> i'm going to stop you

because -- i didn't explain the honking of the horns. can you start there and explain what the posts were? >> reporter: yeah, of course. so the social media post from blanche was about a facebook post this potential juror had posted and she says i think i was going to go to my car for alternate side of the street parking and there were people honking in the street. that was the explanation she gave. she had posted on facebook about back in 2020 of the election that they were celebrating the loss in 2020 of donald trump. her explanation was that she was there for alternate side of the street parking. merchan essentially says he doesn't necessarily see that as a reason that she should be excused as a potential juror. at one point, donald trump mutters something. and merchan admonishes them and

then says i want to get something on the record. your client was audibly saying something in the direction of the juror. i will not have any jurors intimidated in this courtroom. i want to make this crystal clear, he said. after merchan said that, blanche walked over to trump then whispered something in the former president's ear. the reason why they want to get this on the record is if in the future they want to hold a former president in contempt and or kick him out of court essentially, they can go back and say these are the reasons why it is inappropriate for the former president to remain in court. that was a real moment and it's gone on because for the first three jurors, blanche has brought up for cause why it is he does not want them to be part of the jury. the next person, juror number two. number b 38. a tweet. good news, trump lost his court battle on his unlawful travel

ban. get him out and lock him up. steinglass, lawyer for the people, says i think we should bring in juror in. blanche says when he was asked about his opinion, he said he didn't have an opinion either way. merchan says he doesn't like that question either way, he strikes that juror. all out. he's not even brought in for questioning in the courtroom. and just to reiterate by the way for all of these kind of asides that are happening, these jurors being brought in for extra questioning, that kind of confrontation that happened, it's happening in a courtroom with former president, with the attorneys for the people, with secret service, with judge. a really intimidating room for many of these potential jurors. you have another juror, number three. number b 330. social media posts by this potential juror's husband.

in a screen grab showing a picture of trump from 2015 and a third one mocking donald trump. merchan reads a post from the juror's husband and says i don't think this is what they meant. that orange is the new black. trump did not react to that individual. at one point merchan says during this exchange, we can't go on like this. there are going to be social media posts these potential jurors may have posted. instead, we need to ask them the question, will you be impartial? will you not be? can you do this? when they get the answer they will be impartial, they can stay for now. >> let's try to understand a little bit of the nuance here because they're going to go through thousands of jurors and they're going to get thousands of answers. the questionnaire itself is 42 questions long. a lot about who you are as a person but then they get to the heart of it, which is can you be

impartial during this. so this juror, back to the one we were talking about. this juror said she could be impartial but blanche pushed back and wanted her to be dismissed by the judge, not using one of his own ten dismissals. because he said look at her facebook posts in the past. she's posting about the 2020 election. she's posting about celebrations. it's clear that she's on a side. it's clear that she is biased. that's when she was brought back in to be questioned about that. what is the line merchan is walking? why would a facebook post that contains somebody celebrating the 2020 election not rule you out? >> because well, as merchan has said, it's about can he be fair and impartial. now if you're celebrating the loss of the defendant who is on trial, if i'm the defense attorney, i'm going to argue she has a negative opinion about the

defendant on trial. now if it's a facebook post from many, many, many years ago, i would still argue that because this still is the defendant on trial. so the next juror, there was a juror who was lock him up, we don't even have to question him. just get rid of him. clearly that's an obvious negative opinion that can't be overcome. >> why would merchan just not dismiss her immediately? i'm trying to figure out why he thinks somebody like that could be fair. >> her explanation was she was going to her car. now the question i would ask but you're just going to your car but you felt the need to post the celebration up on your facebook? so that's sort of not credible. the reason why the defense is doing this so hard is because they only have ten challenges. you'd rather not use them and just have them challenge for cause and save those ten.

she will be knocked off by mr. blanche, but he'd rather keep the ten and try as much he can to get rid of the biased people. >> so all of the jurors yesterday who were dismissed, there's 18 in the box. they're going through them. again, we've been talking about how this is going to take weeks and that's not because it's impossible to find a fair jury pool. am i wrong or is it just because in a city like manhattan, in a city or with a client like donald trump, a defendant like donald trump, no matter if it was somebody else so high profile even in another city, you would have to go through a lot of people to find the sweet spot for the prosecution and defense. >> correct. it's a process. and now the age of social media, you would be incompetent if you were a defense attorney and start seeing they have tweets. and then you can say aha, judge, she said this, but look what she just posted on her tweet a month ago. >> anything indicating to you so far that this might be a trial

that gets moved? is there a case for potentially moving this to -- long island or westchester? >> it is too early. because there are apparently jurors who seem to be acceptable to both sides but they haven't done their preemptory challenges. >> what's the longest jury process you've been a part of? >> two weeks. >> two weeks. >> without wednesdays off and intervening. >> why? >> because you just had people who just not in this case, you have people who can't be fair and impartial. you have people who couldn't serve for other reasons. i call it bad luck. because you're also competing in manhattan with 30 other court parts. >> was it a high profile case? >> it was, but it was very facts that some people would feel

uncomfortable to sit on. >> so even though it wasn't a high profile case, it still took two weeks. >> it's the luck of the draw. depends on which jurors are willing brought back. it could be jurors who don't have care giving issues. >> and what the judge is doing is trying to give deference to those people who have care giving issues, work schedules they can't get around. who don't feel well. i understand some of the jurors who were supposed to be back today didn't show up. they were dismissed. >> and someone came up sneezing and they were like, no, you're not going to sit, you'll con contaminate the whole jury pool. >> i understand that as my voice gets ras pi and i'm trying to talk to you. it's allergy season. talk to me about the demographics of manhattan and the people that are getting called in. >> take a look at some of the demographic political characteristics. for folks not around the area,

five boroughs make up new york city. manhattan is one of them. the one you associate with a lot of the cultural tourist destinations. this is overall new york city. all five boroughs together. the 20 election, biden swamping trump. but it varies by borough. we'll go through the five and give you a sense of it and start with the lone red borough in new york city. that's staten island. it's a total outlier politically. you can see here it's by far the smallest in terms of population. it's a lot more suburban in character. kind of aligns itself politically against the rest of the city and trump carried staten island in 2020. it's tiny just relative to the other boroughs. now to the other four. they're all blue but to varying degrees. queens, biden got 72% of the vote in 2020. brooklyn, 77% for biden.

the bronx, 83% for biden. manhattan, 86.7% for biden. even in new york city among the four core blue boroughs, manhattan has the most pronounced bent on any of those boroughs. why? what demographic features might go into that? here's some of the data points for manhattan. when you compare these to the city as a whole, i think we get a little bit of insight here. for instance, manhattan is 45% white. city wide in new york city, that number is 31%. 31% white city wide. how about white with a college degree. in manhattan, that's nearly twice the number city wide. it's 21% for all of new york city and then median household income, it's almost 100 grand in manhattan. city wide, that number is 76,000. you look at those three. you have pretty big differences between manhattan and the city.

it is wider. it has a deeper concentration of whites with college degrees and it is wealthier. you think about all the discussions we have had about the big, national demographic patterns. those characteristics. white, college educated, higher income. core democratic, demographic characteristics. particularly in suburbs and especially within cities. so why is manhattan the bluest of the blue boroughs in new york city? one of the bluest areas in the country. the fact i think it is that sort of political gold for democrats. white, college educated, higher income. corners of the country, but it is very true in particular in manhattan and new york city. >> you've got a lot of back and forth right now between the judge and todd blanche and steinglass on the prosecution just talking about social media posts including posts from one of the juror's husbands then the judge telling blanche how he can

ask that question. do the political believes of any family members infect you? are you imperilled by any of the political belief of family members? another juror was struck for cause. they had another juror talking about how they sold political buttons and political banners and bumper stickers, et cetera. political bumper stickers that were for biden harris. so again, this is going, this is ongoing. it's going to go on all day. all day tomorrow. and into the next week. for sure, i think. may i ask you about the sandoval hearing? tomorrow's wednesday. >> it's actually moving, it is possible that thursday and friday, if there's a full day, that you could by the end of friday, and i know monday, tuesday, they might have off for passover then next wednesday. it's possible. >> i'm going to table the hearing for this discussion.

i want to go back one more time to donald trump muttering and the judge admonishing todd blanche for that. is that unusual? >> it's unusual for a normal defendant to do that. you've seen defendants who, in personal experience, who aren't well who have to be admonished because they're acting up. for donald trump, he's acting up because he's donald trump. you admonish the lawyer to tell them tell your client because you can't have as the judge i believe said, any intimidation. >> i also just wouldn't underestimate the way donald trump would use that to his political advantage. being admonished by the judge. i know a lawyer doesn't like it. it's uncomfortable for a lawyer to have their defense or clients getting admonished. they don't want to go too far in the courtroom, but donald trump is using this in a political way right now calling himself the victim of this. so anytime something like this happens, you can bet there will be a fund raising e-mail that

goes out and donald trump's own words talking about how unfair it is. really good to have you as always. don't go too far because we might have to bring you back for some analysis. steve, thank you. and yasmine. house impeachment managers including marjorie taylor green are on the senate floor. what they're presenting to the upper chamber about this guy on your tv screens. plus, the supreme court appeared skeptical about an enron law. what a ruling against doj using that law would mean for donald trump's election interference charges? will jack smith still have a case? we're back in 90 seconds. case we're ba ickn 90 seconds with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes,

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them. it's always interesting to watch, this time for a cabinet member which habit happened since 1876. is this going to go to trial in the senate? >> it depends on your definition of a trial, katy. senators will be sworn in as jurors tomorrow at 1:00. you can say the trial begins at that point, but we do not expect it to be lengthy. republicans will attempt some procedural moves to force democrats to make this more of a process than what they would like it to be, but the sum total of this is that democrats have more votes than republicans have. they can pretty much end this trial before it even really gets going. and in a lot of ways, it's probably the way it's going to end up under any circumstances is because it requires a two-thirds majority to convict someone of an impeachment and there is no way that there are two-thirds of the united states senate willing to impeach mayorkas.

so we're not exactly sure the form and fashion democrats will move to dispose of this. whether or not they move to table or to just outright dismiss it, but it seems clear that chuck schumer and his colleagues would like to see this go away as quickly as possible. >> one more question. let's talk about mike johnson. what's going on with him today? was there a development in the motion to vacate? >> reporter: yeah, it was a significant development. that is that marjorie taylor greene who had the motion to vacate that could boot mike johnson, sitting, waiting to pull the trigger on it, got another partner. tom massey of kentucky said he would join in the effort to remove johnson from office. primarily because house conservatives are really upset with mike johnson's plan to put foreign aid on the floor. now johnson is not willing to put on the already passed senate supplemental package that provides aid to ukraine, israel,

and taiwan. instead, he's going to introduce each bill separately and give them their own up or down vote. that angers the republicans because they did not want to see ukraine come to the floor for a vote and they've warned him if he takes this step, they were going to pull that trigger on the motion to vacate, but this could be different. there are a lot of republicans who don't want to go through the drama we saw in the fall with kevin mccarthy and there's a couple of democrats. i talked to jared moscowitz. he said he'd be willing to join with republicans and perhaps table a motion to vacate. so speaker johnson's got an avenue here to do everything he wants to do and keep his job, but he's got a lot of work before he is passed this current challenge. >> ryan, thank you very much. joining us now, former press secretary to house speakers john boehner and paul ryan. and msnbc political analyst,

brendan buck. i got lost in my words there introducing you. i'm sorry. talk to me about the wire that speaker mike johnson is currently walking on. >> as ryan laid out, democrats paved a pretty clear path for him. the only problem with this is he's now relying on democrats not just to pass significant legislation but to keep his job. that's something we have never seen in probably a couple hundred years. the minority party elevating the majority speaker. look, donald trump gave mike johnson a pretty big lifeline on friday when he went to mar-a-lago and brushed back marjorie taylor greene but also said he didn't dismiss the idea of doing aid for ukraine. that gave mike johnson the narrow opening that he needs. very clear that the votes have always been there for ukraine, israel, taiwan, you name it. the votes are there. it's just whether or not johnson can figure out the moment to do

it where he could jam this through and survive. i think that's what he's looking at right now, if he can pull it off. >> what if he gets a lot of democrats? is that going to turn off more than just the marjorie taylor greenes of the house? >> you raised a really good point. if i remember mike johnson, i would not be looking for every democrat to be voting for me. i would be looking for just the bare minimum democrats to be voting for me because i think they would be hanging that over their head. if for example, more democrats voted to keep mike johnson than republicans, that would be a very big problem. now you can say on the other hand if there's just a resounding vote, 400 something to 3, you could say this is no longer a tool. this is a threat to speakers. i think that would be good, too. the outcome ends up being the same, it seems like semantics. how many votes, who voted where. but in congressional politics, that matters.

marjorie taylor greene probably knows she's going to lose but now she's looking ahead to being able to criticize him. >> there's a goldilocks plans he's going to try to achieve. thank you very much. we're continuing to monitor the courtroom where donald trump is observing jury selection. by the way, we have an update. three jurors have been seated. three. in just the past few minutes. we're going to bring you more updates when we get them. first up, what supreme court justices signalled about a january 6th obstruction charge and how it could affect the case against the former president. d e against the former predesint

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for fighting for what matters. the supreme court heard arguments today that may imperil some charges against donald trump. the case centers on how a law passed in the wake of enron is being used to try january 6th rioters. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and slate senior writer who covers the courts and law, mark joseph stern. ken, can you explain that law? >> it's pretty technical. there's two parts to the text at issue here. one talks about destroying or altering documents then there's the word otherwise obstructs, impedes, influences an official

proceeding. the question is how prosecutors have been using that second phrase with the otherwise. they're using it broadly and they've charged more than 350 capitol rioters with obstructing an official proceeding. the congressional counting of the electoral votes. two of the four charges against mr. trump are this charge. and what lawyers for police officer named joseph fisher, one of the capitol riot defendants have argued today on the supreme court that is an overly broad interpretation of this law passed after the enron scandal to plug holes in the obstruction statute with regard to documents. they're saying it shouldn't be interpreted the way prosecutors are interpreting it. a number of conservatives seem sympathetic to the argument in court today and some other justices seemed like they were trying to find a middle ground where they could limit the impact of this law while still preserving some of these january 6th cases. but it does seem like the biden administration is on uncertain

ground here. >> let's listen to a little bit of clarence thomas and the solicitor general. >> there have been many violent protests that have interfered with the proceedings. has the government applied this provision to other protests in the past and has this been the government's position throughout the life span of the statute. >> we have enforced a variety of prosecutions that don't focus on evidence tampering. i can't give you an example where people have violently stormed the building because i'm not aware of that circumstance ever happening prior to january 6th. >> so what's interesting about that is the idea that they're saying this hasn't been used in violent protests before. because thomas brought this up, i wonder does this give us any

indication of how he might see the immunity question next week as the oral arguments in that tick off? >> i think justice thomas is broadly sympathetic to trump here. he seemed to have applied this anti novelty principle. this notion that because this particular law has never been brought against violent protestors in a government building that these are somehow illegitimate charges. and i do wonder if he'll bring that similar principle to the argument next week where trump is saying this has never happened before. a former president has never faced criminal prosecution in the past. so how could we say it's part of our constitutional order if i'm the first person ever to face it. this is an argument that trump has raised over and over again because it's true. federal courts are weary of new prosecutions and uses of existing federal statutes. now, trump of course breaks a lot of laws or allegedly breaks

a lot of laws that no former president has ever tried to break before. he himself is a walking novelty. he tries to stretch the law in ways no prior office holder has. he then goes to court when charged and says you can't charge me because nobody else has ever faced charges like this. the question in this case where trump is in the background and the question in the immunity case next week where trump is front and center is whether five conservative justices will be convinced that because this is so now, there's never been an opportunity for courts to look at the application of law in this way, that trump and trump supporters get off the hook based on the concern about overexpanding existing law. >> and ken, to be clear, if the justices overturn this, two of the four charges against donald trump in the election interference case in d.c. will get thrown out. jack smith will still have the case, but what about the january 6th defendants or convicts currently serving time? what happens to them if this law

is found to not have been used in the right way against them and their prosecution? >> it depends on whether they've been convicted of other charges. some people have served their sentence. nothing can happen in those cases. some people, their cases are pending and would be dismissed if only charged with crime. so it could have huge implications across a wide swath of january 6th cases. >> thank you very much for joining us, gentlemen. i want to get back to the breaking news about jury selection here in new york city. we just got word three of the jurors had been selected. that means there are some jurors that have proven to be qualified to serve on this jury. let's bring back in christian, thank you by the way for standing so close. are they seated or selected? the terminology matters. >> they're selected. not seated until all 12 and the

six alternates are. they've probably been told come back and they'll give them a day to come back. those will be the three barring them getting ill. nine more to go. >> what if it comes that later once the nine more are found that one of the lawyers for either side decides they want to use one of their strikes. it's done. they're on the jury. >> that's when you sit there and pick a juror and go oh, my goodness, i can't believe i didn't get rid of him. those three are the three unless something happens to one of them. >> how many total are going to be selected? >> there will be 12. that's the jury. then six alternates. that's always in case someone gets sick, you know. something happens. >> are you surprised three have been seated in just the last few minutes? >> it's not surprising. it seems like judge merchan is moving as quickly as he can to get through it. he's denying some course challenges because otherwise, we

would be here forever because there are i think now both sides are new down to six preemptory challenges. the jury is what the jury is. >> so i'm just told the three that have been selected have been told to come back at 9:30 on monday with the caveat that things could change. todd blanche has been challenging a few of the perspective jurors. there's one where he showed a post from hers from 2018 where she says, she said about that post that she stopped after that. she stopped going online and posting on social media because it had become too vitriolic. he asked her whether seeing the post, and i don't have details about the post, causes her to revisit her answers today about being able to be impartial toward donald trump and she says no, politically, there are big

differences between her and donald trump but that in coming here, they shouldn't count. she was asked if she has any doubt about her ability to be fair and impartial. merchan asked her if she remembers any of the posts. she remembers one. it's satire from the borowitz report. everybody's got a history here. people have long social media histories. it reminds you whatever you put online has a long life span. >> it's forever. >> it doesn't get deleted. there are ways to dredge it up. if you are posting something in 2018 that's satirical and not favorable to donald trump, can you realistically be seen to be fair in 2024? can your feelings change that much in six years to make you impartial? >> the prosecutor could argue yes because it depends. was it just 2018, that one silly post, or has it continued is

this because then he argues with a straight face, she can be fair and impartial. i think the judge has not granted cause because it was 2018 and if it wasn't horrific, like i will never support this man in life as opposed to just a joke about him, then she could say i could be fair and impartial. i would strike her if i'm the defense. >> she said because i'm in the room, i realize there's a higher duty. when you walk into a courtroom and realize that you have somebody's future in your hands, you can change their lives dramatically, even if you have strong feelings about that person, does the weight of that change you? does the weight of that fall down on maybe not all people? >> i think it does and i do believe that donald trump can get a fair and impartial jury in manhattan because you can, if you are a person you know, and you can say i'm a democrat, a

republican, you take the oath that all the jurors once slegted and seated, seriously and just listen to the law and just the evidence. >> so in talking about this woman, merchan says all the posts they found are satirical. he says none express a desire to see donald trump quote locked up and she can be fair and impartial. he's denied the challenge by the defense and we have a little bit more breaking news about the number of jurors that have been selected. what's the number, vaughn? >> reporter: this afternoon took quite a turn, didn't it? we are now at six. six jurors who have been selected. six individuals who have been given a rose to move on and come back on monday morning at 9:30 a.m. judge merchan making the statement that after each side had the opportunity to make not only the case to strike these potential jurors for cause but

then use the preemptory challenges, that we are now down to six individuals that could fill out that 18-person jury pool. we should note we were talking about the challenges you were discussing. both sides have ten opportunities to use that challenge. meaning they don't need a reason. they could not like how somebody blinks and they could ask them to be removed and not be on the jury pool. and right here at this point in time by my count here, we have had district attorney's office use four of their ten challenges in trump's legal team used six. of course, court is not in session tomorrow. they will return on thursday friday. but after the first two days of this trial, we're walking away with at least six individuals so far selected to fill out that 18. so we're moving along perhaps faster than we may have thought.

>> i chuckled a moment ago because preemptory is not one of those words you have to say on television. preemptory challenges. catherine, i saw you fidget when vaughn said you could use them for any reason. >> you can't because i don't like this person's race or religion or gender. so if there was an accusation from either side and you can accuse the defense that they're have using their challenges to get rid of every black person, every asian. it appears that's not the case here. >> every woman. >> every woman. defense only has four left. there's only four. >> are you surprised they've used so many so far? >> i'm not so far as judge merchan is not granting challenge for cause. >> does that indicate he wants to get this moving? >> yes, and i think there will be opening statements monday morning. >> you think there are going to be opening statements monday morning. >> the six who were selected

were told to come back monday morning. thursday and friday, we have to get the rest of the jury, but if we do, the opening statements will be on monday. >> i feel like that would be record time. >> faster than a non high profile case with two witnesses. so judge merchan is moving quick. >> vaughn, when did court let out yesterday? when should it let out today? >> reporter: 4:30 p.m. so about 50 minutes left and there's still a few individuals from the initial batch of 96. we could move from judge merchan decides to, back to the 42 question questionnaire with those remaining individuals. i took about a half hour to essentially introduce the basics of the indictment to the defendant to the first batch of 96 so there are still some from them, from that number that have yet to go through this process. we've still got about 50 minutes and if judge merchan here, we're following this in real time, we

could be finishing up that first batch of 96. >> if donald trump wanted to appeal because he argues he didn't get a fair jury pool, are there ways to appeal? >> assuming he's convicted, he's going to argue those challenges for cause should have been granted and that's why he ran out of so many challenges so quickly. that's always going to be a basis for appeal. and that's why there's a long record todd blanche was making about she can't be fair and make this post. so assuming he was convicted, that would be one of many he's going to appeal on. >> i was going to ask you about this earlier. we got more time now. the sandoval hearing yesterday made a joke it sounded like scandalvol. what is a sandoval hearing? >> that has to be done before opening statements. that's when the prosecutor alerting the defense and the judge if this defendant

testifies, these are the prior bad acts or convictions we intend to cross examine him about. they go to his credibility. his veracity, honesty, and it shows he puts his interest above. >> this would be bringing up e. jean carroll. not the conviction but the judgment. >> defamation for both of them because it's false statements and clearly that goes to dishonesty. >> it would be a civil fraud case. >> depending. >> what about trump university? >> trump university. i'm sure that's one of the prior bad acts and the judge will decide. yes to this, no to that. that's another appellate ground because if the judge lets in too many, the defense will argue my client would have testified but for this horrible sandoval ruling made by the judge. >> so i'm just looking at this, we're following this through a google document. we've got reporters inside the

courthouse who are furiously logging everything that's happening in the courtroom. we've got pool reporters inside the courtroom that are contributing to all this coverage and that's why you're seeing a bit of a delay in all of us anchors and reporters looking down at our notes because we have a live document populating as we speak. six of the jurors have been sworn in. judge merchan says they need six more. vaughn, what else are you seeing? >> reporter: right. if i may say as we're going through this google doc, appreciate the folks like catherine here who are able to fact check us and make sure we're right as we learn this legal process in real time. as we're looking at this through here, there's acknowledgment by judge merchan they need six more individuals to be added to the 12-person jury pool plus the six alternates as well. the jury is now, the jurors are now being sworn in. being told you will decide the case against donald j. trump to the best of your aeblty and

follow the evidence. getting the commitment of these six individuals to return on monday and fulfill the duties they have claimed they can do. that is to look at this trial through a fair and impartial lens and be able to also be here every single day. monday, tuesdays, thursdays, and fridays for however long this trial may last, six to eight weeks, and fairly work with the other jurors to determine if trump -- >> merchan is saying will you decide the case against donald j. trump to the best of your ability and to follow the evidence. he's reading the six jurors instructions on not talking to others. not reading the news about this case. catherine, i imagine there are at least is a part of you after a full day of arguments that is probably happy to go home and to turn on bravo and think about

scandalvol. the idea they're not going to be sequestered or talk to anybody or look it up on their devices or tv. that will be difficult. >> it will be difficult. they might not go to a party and they walk in and everyone's talking about the trial. good-bye. got to leave. the oath. it's very important when the judge gives that oath because as you said, you realize this is serious. i have to take this serious. >> i think it is impressive when you do swear an oath. how heavily it weighs on you and the way it can make you feel like you're serving a bigger purpose and maybe make you do things you wouldn't expect to do. not check your phone as much. the things that you would feel like you couldn't possibly stay away from. the oath potentially gives you a sense that there's something

bigger to serve here and i need to try to be the best version of myself for this case. thank you so much. we're going to keep an eye on this and if we get more jurors or anything crazy happening, we're going to bring that to you. up next, what's happening behind closed doors today in israel as the world watches for a response to iran's barrage of attacks over the weekend. barra attacks over the weekend wanna know a secret? more than just my armpits stink. that's why i use secret whole body deodorant... everywhere. 4 out of 5 gynecologists would recommend whole body deodorant, which gives you 72 hour odor protection from your pits to your- (sfx: deoderant being sprayed) secret whole body deodorant.

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israel said it will retaliate against iran and that the response is, quote, imminent. when it is happening and how sfens extensive is unclear. four officials tell nbc news they expected it to be limited in scope, likely involving strikes against iranian forces an and proxies outside of iran. joining us kareem apour. it is good to have you. it is quite the bombardment that iran sent over the weekend. is it reasonable to expect israel not to respond? >> the biden administration's hope, katy, is that they don't respond because the united states is worried about getting entangled in a conflict in the middle east which could potentially broaden and include some of our arab gulf partners who are major oil producers. but israel wants to set a precedent here. that if they don't respond, iran

will feel it could continue to launch strikes on israel soil and get away with it. so as you said, i think your correct in saying it is a question of whether, not when, they will respond. >> and when the missiles or drones were shot down or intercepted by iron dome and one of them getting through could have caused a lot of damage on the country of israel and that is quite a gamble to be taking. what would be -- what would a, i guess, an equitable response look like here? one that wouldn't necessarily escalate tensions or throw the whole region into conflict? >> well, i think that is the goal, obviously, for the israelis to respond in a way which doesn't further escalate and insight iran.

so i think they will look at military installations inside of iran and the regional proxies make sense. but the fact that iran attacked israel on its soil, i think one of the dangers is if israel chooses to bomb iran's nuclear facilities. because in thattin tans, you could see a scenario where iran said we're kicking out all of the inspectors and we're kicking or shutting off all of the cameras and moving full speed ahead, not moving toward a nuclear weapon but to 90% highly enrich uranium for submarines because in addition to israel not wanting iran to have a nuclear weapon, the arab neighbors and europe and the united states, these are also countries very fearful of a nuclear armed iran. >> iran doesn't have a lot of friends in the region either. sorry to keep it so short today.

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