iranians for them to reverse engineer. >> very quickly, what leverage does the u.s., in your view, still have with netanyahu, with the israelis? >> i think it's absolutely clear that the u.s.'s leverage is immense. this retaliation was not designed to inflict damage but show what iranians are capable of doing. they got seven ballistic missiles through. but the vast majority of the projectiles that were shot down were shot down by the united states. israel could not have done it this way on its own so. the united states has tremendous leverage. it's time that we use it to put an end to this war. >> trita parsi, thank you so much. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in -- >> gettysburg, gettysburg, what

an unbelievable battle that was, gettysburg, wow. i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania, to look and to watch. >> free range trump meets no nonsense criminal court. >> the judge was inappropriate. he said i won't tolerate it. i won't have jurors intimidated in this courtroom. >> the second day of jury selection in donald trump's election interference trial. >> he's not concerned about being sent to jail. >> i don't -- u think like anybody he's concerned about going to jail. meanwhile, on the campaign trail -- >> remember when he told us literally, inject bleach. bless me father. >> senator elizabeth warren on the stakes of biden versus trump. >> would you do larger cuts? corporate cuts? >> yeah, i was planning on doing it. plus, guess who's losing money as the trump stock craters? >> djt now down more than 57%

this month. and why the republicans are openly calling on their own speaker to resign. >> what is your response to republicans who say this move should cost you your job? >> but all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, today donald trump was back in a manhattan courtroom for day two of what everyone is referring to as the former president's hush money trial. make no mistake, the case is not really about the hush money. it's about election interference. i'm going to explain more in a moment, but first, juror questioning continued today. it did not take long for trump to behave in a way that attracted the judge's anger. shortly after the lunch break, the judge admonished the former president saying, while the juror was 12 feet from your client your client was audibly saying something in her direction. he added, i will not have any

jurors intimidated in this courtroom. want to make that crystal clear. by the end of the day, seven jurors were worn in. they include a teacher and a software engineer. those seven new yorkers along with five more who will be selected after the trial resumes on thursday will be charged with ethe deciding if donald trump is guilty. as i mentioned, much of the media, including this show, has labeled this the hush money trial. it is convenient shorthand that does fundamentally follow the salient facts of the case. back in october of 2016, donald trump's lawyer michael cohen says he arranged a $130,000 payment to adult film star store hawaii daniels as part of an agreement she would not discuss the affair she says she had with trump. it was a payment for her silence about deeply embarrassing and politically damaging information. in short, it was hush money.

but it is important to note that on its own, paying hush money is not illegal. in fact, donald trump is currently paying hush money to his longtime chief financial officer allen, even as he serves a second five-month jail sentence. he signed a $2 million separation agreement with the trump organization in return for agreeing, quote, not to induce, encourage, instigate, aid, abet, or otherwise cause any other person or entity to bring or file a complaint, charge, lawsuit, or other proceeding against trump or anyone associated with his company. in other words, just like stormy daniels did, he promised to keep his mouth shut. and it's perfectly legal. i mean, remember the me too revelations, the wake of weinstein and all that? an example of how ubiquitous, horribly so, that these kinds of payments are in certain circles in exchange for signing nondisclosure agreements. so paying hush money is not the crime trump is charged with in

new york. it's just not. donald trump was indicted on 34 counts of one crime, falsifying business records in the first degree. the indictment accuses trump of having, quote, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise to wit, an invoice from michael cohen dated february 14, 2017 marked as a record of the donald j. trump revocable trust, and kept and maintain bid the trump organization. the following 33 counts detail other related invoices and checks. as manhattan district attorney alvin bragg explained, this is a common white collar crime that his office prosecutes all the time. >> my office, including the talented prosecutors you saw at arraignment earlier today have done this hundreds of times. this charge can be said is the bread and butter of our white collar work. >> you probably haven't heard of those other cases because they're generally low profile

and mundane. few recent examples include a case against a bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes, an insurance broker indicted for allegedly filing fraudulent certificates of liability insurance, and a mental health therapy aide indicted for allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers compensation benefits. these are all people that got prosecuted for this. but there's a really key part about alvin bragg's case against donald trump that separates it from those typical, everyday white collar crimes. the indictment lays out a case -- with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof. in plain english, the d.a. is saying trump committed the crime he's charged with because he was actually trying to conceal or commit another more serious crime. in the statement of facts about the case, d.a. bragg explain, quote, the defendant donald j. trump repeatedly and fraudulently falsified new york business records to conceal

criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election. the defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 election and in order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws. the whole point of falsifying those business records was to interfere in the election process to protect his presidential campaign. remember the access hollywood tape had just come out, revealing trump's lewd comments about women. another revelation, a salacious marital affair, could have been been the end. the case claims the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels was an undisclosed and illegal campaign contribution. now, in terms of that theory, it's not so farfetched because

michael cohen literally already pleaded guilty to, wait for it, ryelating federal campaign finance laws for his role in the scheme, and he served prison time. so again, beyond the tawdry details about tabloid mistresses, what the state will have to prove is donald trump paid off stormy daniels because he was trying to influence the outcome of the election. and those documents that documented the payment were false, right? the jury will decide if the former president is guilty in this, again, election interference case. our legal correspondent has been watching the trial unfold from inside the courthouse. katherine christian spent over 30 years as a prosecutor in that office. manhattan district attorney's office. they both join me now. great to have you here. can we start with the moment that -- with the juror -- >> yes. >> -- and the trump saying something within, in the words

of the judge, within 12 feet. >> after that juror left the stand, essentially, she was being questioned. after she left, the judge decided he was not going to excuse her for cause. he said i have something that i want to put on the record, and that's when he said, mr. blanch, your client, while this perspective juror was sitting no more than 12 feet away from him, was audibly saying something and looking in her direction. i couldn't quite make out what it was. this is marchand saying this. i couldn't make out what it was, but i want you to understand that witness intimidation will not be tolerated in my courtroom, have a talk with your client. >> again, i'm going to do my check in that i always do. katherine, with you who practiced for 30 years in that office, a common thing in voir dire to have the defendant like audibly -- >> no. >> -- saying things to the jurors. >> i'm not making light of this. only the mentally unwell ones.

that's the only time you see criminal defendants acting out. and then it's sort of you understand it. >> someone who for some deep psychological reason literally can't control themselves, and that's really the only case. >> that's the only time you ever see that. >> i will say having watched both echltd jean carol trials, there were some episodes that were reminiscent of what happened today. i don't recall them happening during jury selection themselves, but there were times when lawyers were speaking in the courtroom and he disagreed with what they were saying and for demonstrative effect, donald trump pounded the table or shook his head or crossed his arms to indicate his vigorous disagreement with what was being said. and we all know how that story ended. none of the jurors were positively impacted by that performance. >> that's a good point. >> in fact, there were jurors in that case who i thought were not at all partial to e. jean carol, who looked the other way when robbie kaplan was closing. i really thought that something

might happen that we weren't expecting, and yet, unanimously, they found for her. so that's a long way of saying you can't always read into perspective jurors or juror's behavior based on what a defendant dmuz the courtroom. >> as of today we've got seven jurors sworn in. now, again, this is not my thing. >> it's remarkable. >> it seems to me so fast. >> yeah. this is -- this judge is known as a fair and efficient judge. this is remarkable, because this type of defendant, meaning very high profile that people have strong opinions, this is very remarkable that he was able to, judge marchand, get seven juror, which means he only needs five more for the 12 and an additional six for the alternates. he also worked overtime today. he worked until 5:30. it shows that he's -- we're going to do this by thursday. and he probably will, unless

something happen, and things happen, but i think there will be a complete jury by the end of the day on thursday. >> now, just to benchmark this, we had a former new york judge sitting in that chair on thursday, i believe, and she was looking at this saying, like, i don't know, man, this could be a few weeks. >> and you know what, she's a friend of mine. there's only one other judge in that courthouse who i -- who would get a jury as fast as this judge. it just -- he has done a remarkable job. >> the process today -- so we already got the 50 who said i can't, it's donald trump, forget it. >> correct. and even some more. there were not people who took themselves out off the top. it came back, and when this were ready to take the jury questionnaire said i thought about it overnight, i can't do it. >> so that's two cuts, right? you got the i can't do it, and then the i thought about it for the night and can't do it.

it's to me slightly comical spectacle of trump's lawyers and legal team furiously checking out the social media profile of these people and in a number of cases finding, you know, someone posted an ai video of trump saying i'm a dump f-word. someone else on the day i think the election was declared saying honk that horn, baby. lots of memes about trump being a buffoon or bad or dumb being read into court the record about the prespective juror, what was that like? >> it was fascinating. some of them you could see really were legitimately struck for cause. i'll give you an example. there was someone who relevant to the events at issue here had posted on facebook saying get him out and lock him up. >> oh yeah, i mean. >> that person can't stay. >> i think we are all -- >> correct. >> nope, can't be on the jury. >> the person with the ai video

was the other person to go. but let's talk about the woman with the horn. that woman when she was brought in for questioning said well let me put into some context for you. i took that video watching what was happening in my neighborhood because election night felt historic to me and it was evoc tif of the nightly 7:00 chair we did in new york for emergency workers and healthcare workers during that period of time in 2020, and i wanted to remember it. >> document it. >> correct. and she said, i documented it, you know, sitting here today do i believe that i can be fair unequivocally, yes. and he said i have the tower take her at her word, and i'm going to. she was struck with a preemptory challenge, but not for cause. >> preemptory, just to remind, they each get ten where you can just strike people for any reason. >> and if trump is convicted, they will appeal on that, that they were denied that cause of heavy use, their preemptory challenge. they will lose that because the

judge struck other people and didn't even wait for cause. just says you're gone. and also struck people who self-identified that they couldn't be fair. so there is no appealable issue, assuming trump is convicted on the jury selection. >> as a person who practiced primarily in federal court, i find new york state court voir dire, that's the questioning of the prospective jurors -- here are some themes that are important to me or here's some issues i care about. what do you think about that juror, number one, what do you think about that, juror number two? >> you know that song proud to be american, do you like that song? >> for todd blanch it was an opportunity to connect with them and try and get from them what is your opinion of donald trump when they didn't want to give it. and to have to be friendly. >> very interesting. great to have you. we'll have you back again soon.

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say whether he fell say sleep or was resting his eyes or maybe just silently praying. this is possibly the most punishing ordeal for trump to just sit down and shut up in a room where he has no control for like eight hours a day, four days a week. a trial that could last for possibly two months. this is also time when trump is not on the campaign trail, while his opponent is out campaigning. president biden is doing a three of this day swing in pennsylvania a crucial swing state where he is hammering home his economic message. >> people like donald trump learn very different lessons. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. not a bad way. he learned that paying taxes was something people who work for a living did, not him. i guess that's how you look at the world when you're on park avenue and mar-a-lago. when i look at the economy i don't see it through the eyes of mar-a-lago, i see it through the eyes of scranton, and that's not hyperbole, that's a fact. >> senator elizabeth warren is a

democrat in massachusetts, and she joins me now. senator, we've been doing this series on my podcast about the sort of records of the two men, because it's the first time since 1892 when they both have records. and i think one place where the record is just probably clearer than almost any other is on taxes, is on who gets tax cuts and who that affects and who benefits and who doesn't. >> yep. so look at it this way, right, donald trump actually had only two accomplishments in his four years, and one was the extremist supreme court that overturned roe versus wade and the other was more than $2 trillion in tax cut, mostly soaked up by millionaires, billionaires, and giant corporations. here's joe biden out there fighting to make sure that we get access to abortion and other reproductive rights, but on taxes, watch the difference.

joe biden actually got 15% minimum corporate tax on billionaire corporations. let me just remind everybody what that is. remember how amazon a couple of years back reported $11 billion in audited financials on their taxes -- on their profits, and how much did they pay in federal income taxes? nothing. and so what this bill -- what this law is about is it says for those companies that make more than a billion dollars in reported taxes, they got to -- in reported profits, they got to pay a minimum of 15% taxes. and i want to just say one more thing, that was the first tax increase on these big corporations in more than 30 years, and it was used to fund the biggest climate package in the history of the world. >> so one of the things that is interesting to me is so you've got a record here, right, there's the funding of the

american rescue plan and the inflation reduction act and tax consequences. you've got the big trump tax cut, but there's a huge prospective issue, which is 2025. >> yes. >> so i'm not sure people are keyed into this, but the 2025, like a big chunk of the tax cuts expire that mostly benefit the people at the top, and there's basically it's going to -- we're going to go one of two routes depending on who has control. >> yeah, you come to the fork in the road, take it, because here's where this goes. donald trump has said in rooms full of rich people just get him back in there, and he is going to make sure that taxes are cut for the millionaires, the billionaire, and the giant corporations. joe biden is headed in a very different direction. he says he is going to raise taxes on the billionaires and he's going to increase the

minimum tax on the billionaire corporations. and that he's going to use that money to invest back in america. and that is a huge difference between them. if i can -- >> please. >> -- there's one more contrast between the two, and that is tax cheats. you know, the people who make a lot of money and the law is perfectly clear that they are supposed to pay, but they cheat on their taxes. one of the bones of contention over the last couple of years has been that joe biden and the democrats have actually funded the irs so they can go after those millionaires and billionaires that cheat on their taxes. and the consequence of that is to actually make them start paying. that's something that president biden wants to make long term. that's something that the rpzs and donald trump want to get rid of. so it's partly about what the law says you have to pay, and it's partly about who's going after the cheaters and donald trump and the republicans who

are saying cheating on your taxes, if you're really, really rich, is fine with them. >> yeah, and in case anyone thought you were making up the promise from donald trump, he said this at a huge high dollar fundraiser for very, very wealthy people. here's what he had to say on taxes. >> you're all people that have a lot of money, i know plenty of you, and you're rich as hell. we're going to give you tax cuts. we're going to pay off our debt. we're going to do all of the things. >> we're going to do all the things. we're going to give you tax cuts. to go back to the distributional -- can we show that chart again? i think it's important for people to understand. like those -- that's what it looked like, the distributional affects of the trump tax cuts. on this point on 2025, i want to zoom in on this a second, it's important for people to understand, they expire -- >> yes. >> -- on their own unless affirmatively extended. so the kind of -- the default is on the side of them going away,

which does create enormous incentive for people who are very wealthy and want to see a tax cut to try to get donald trump elected because it really will make an enormous amount of difference in a lot of people's bottom line. i mean, billions and billions of dollars are on the line here. >> you know, another way to say that is taxes are going to happen next year. it is going to be a huge -- there's going to be a tax bill one way or another. >> right. >> but because of this expiration -- >> right. >> -- if the reps get to control the game, then the answer is it's going to be a payday for the people who are already rich. and remember what that means, everybody else has to pick up the slack. so that's everybody else who's going to actually have to pay for all those roads and bridges that we need. it's everybody else who's going to have to pay to make sure that the military is still paid. it's everybody else who will

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i have to say if trump's stock in truth social, his company, drops any lower, he might do better under my tax plan than his. possibly. >> pretty good line. last month there was a lot of coverage around donald trump's company, trump media, parent company of truth social, going public. the ex-president owns about 57% of the company, but according to its own recent sec filing, it lost $58.2 million last year, generating just $4.1 million in

revenue total. revenue. the auditor wrote operating losses raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. now, that $4 million in revenue is so low it meets the federal government definition of a small business, and yet on the first day that it was on the stock markets, it started trading at a valuation similar to reddit, which also went public but also has 100 times the monthly visitors of truth social and 200 times the revenue. so something didn't add up, and there were warnings about the stock even in the fox news bubble. >> why are you even talking about this? it's a scam just like everything he's ever been involved in is some sort of con. >> based on the share price, it's worth somewhere between $9 billion and $10 billion, and analysts are arguing this doesn't represent the underlying business. >> this is for the average person. you think you're going to get rich over this, heed what i said. this is -- this has happened in the past. same with this, this is scary

stuff for the average person. >> he tried. he did try. you'll never guess what happened next. the stock has dropped nearly every day for the past two and a half weeks. today it closed at just under $23, erasing billions in value. was post has done some fascinating reporting on the people who have invested in the company. one blames the drop on liberals trying to knock it down. there was the tree service owner who amassed, quote, hundreds of shares for $25,000, pretty much his whole nest egg. he believe, quote, the trump media deal is a sign he is supposed to invest. drew harwell is "the washington post" report who are wrote that story, and he joins me now. drew, you've been doing great reporting on this. i want to first start before you sort of talk to folks about the the folk who is have invested, the trajectory here of who is driving the movements in this

market, broadly speaking. >> i mean, with the blood bath that we've been seeing in the last couple week, it's basically people are just running away from the stock as quickly as they can. you know, as we saw with the market debut late last month when it peaked into, you know the $8 billion, $9 billion, $10 billion range, i think there were a lot of speculators thinking it was going to be hot. they could get in, get their money, and get out. but i think a lot of that heat has gone away, and now people are starting to -- you know, the stock is starting to come back to earth. so you know, there are a lot of these trump supporters who have been trying to buy up stocks, but they're not really, you know, compensating for how quickly the stock is plunging. it's lost 66% of its value in about 20 days. it's so rare to see a company fall apart that quickly. >> yeah, i want to just read some of your reporting, because the media -- the trump media company has been touting their success among retail investors.

and you saw charles warning people off the stock. you talked to people who put money in. the tree service owner in oklahoma says he believes the stock could go to $1,000 a share easy, once the media stops trending negatively about it and the company works through growing pains. it isn't another stock to me, i feel like it was god almighty that put it in my lap, he said. if you go on a notion, you'll get out of this thing the first time it goes down. >> they are true believers. i mean, they believe in donald j. trump. they believe in the guy whose initials are on the stock. you know, they think the pop right at the debut should have been higher, that, you know, without the deep state and the media suppressing the stock as they've suppressed, you know, their hero in trump, the stock would be doing even better. so you know, for them -- and they are proud to say it, they are not evaluating this like a normal business. they're not looking at the balance sheet.

they don't care that, like you said, the revenue last year was somewhere between an average mcdonald's and a chick-fil-a. they see this as a badge of honor, a sign of their belief, and the past president may be future president. and they feel like it'll all get ironed out. so that, you know, that -- i mean, it's basically dogmatic at this point that they are still believing in this company that it can turn around. >> i just want to put a point on what you said when you say an average of mcdonald's and chick-fil-a, you mean a moderately successful chick-fil-a, individual franchise is doing somewhere in the $3 million to $4 million of revenue, like one, that's what we're talking about. stephanie, my colleague, had a great report on this last night where she's talking about if you bought the stock at $70 or $60, whatever it was, you've lost money. from trump's perspective it's all kind of free money, because he just got it as part -- so you know, even if it's 20 a share,

it's a chunk of change for him. they're planning to further dilute the stock, if i understand, right? >> yeah, no matter what happens, that's the big thing. no matter what happens for the small timeshare holders, i mean, they could lose their shirt on this stock, but trump has been arranged in such a way that trump can basically win no matter what happens. i mean, the stock can drop 90% to something like $6, but because he owns 57% of it, 78 million shares, which will jump up to even more in a couple weeks, and because he didn't really put any money of his own to begin with, he stands to make hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars. so this is all, you know, funny money to him, basically. the only caveat to that is that he can't sell it for another basically six months due to a lockout provision. so you know, at this time when he would probably love to have free money in his pocket, he can't. so i think he is pretty closely watching the stock price too, but you know, unlike these people who put in their basically entire retirement fund

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a lot of people say the house republican majority is a do-nothing congress but today they did do things. they sent articles of impeachment to the senate for homeland security secretary and impeachment effort expected to die quickly, but i will say that is something. it is not as wild as the other thing house republicans appear poised to do which is remove their own speaker again. far right congressman thomas massey announced he will join a motion to vacate the speaker's office, first proposed by marjorie taylor greene. half a year after they took the gavel from kevin mccarthy. he would prefer it if johnson would just quit.

>> do you want him to resign? >> i asked him to. >> he said he would not. >> the motion is going to get. does anybody doubt that? the motion will get called. he's going to lose more votes than kevin mccarthy. >> that comes after johnson visited donald trump to kiss the ring last week. johnson said he will not resign and keep doing his job. maybe more trips to mar-a-lago are coming. joining me with the latest, the senate passed the package for ukraine, israel, taiwan. it's been sitting there. micah johnson has been doing, as far as anyone can tell, nothing. no one knows what the plan is and over the weekend he said he was playing a may call and move announced the move. what is the move? >> it's quite a mess over in the house right now. the move he's trying to make --

this is speaker johnson. he stalled and used all his time-outs and is a coach at the side of the field right now who has to call the play. he's trying to trigger a series of votes and essentially take the components of the senate package and pass them in four separate bills. ukraine ain't standalone, taiwan and the pacific standalone and the hodgepodge of national security priorities that are popular with republicans. the idea is sound if you think about it. the israel aid was mostly republicans and some democrats. it would beat the condition. the ukraine piece would pass with mostly democrats and a few republicans and it would defeat the conservative objections. the other two are less controversial but johnson has to get past these objections from the right to even bring this up and that's where it stands now. it's tuesday night, there is still no bill text, johnson light to give 72 hours before

voting. it's possible this whole thing falls apart. johnson is taking a shot. >> i thought it was funny when he said it was a play call. it's the third quarter, fourth quarter you're calling. we've been sitting here for a while. to be clear, there's a certain logic. the senate passes altogether. there's one thing he can do. he could do something called suspension of the rules. he could bring that senate package to the floor. it would need two thirds to pass, it would probably get that right? >> maybe. he ruled that out. it's moot point at this stage. >> it's an option, a thing that could happen. he won't do it. >> if johnson but the senate package up quickly within a few weeks after it would certainly have passed but now you've lost more republicans on ukraine, more democrats on israel and the whole thing is complicated. >> i want to come back to what

is so crazy. when you think about it there's a certain logic. you've got majorities for all four. to get to that point we keep coming back and it sounds obscure but you've got to vote a rule. the rule is the key that unlocks your willing to have those votes. usually, parties vote to give leadership what they want. republicans keep killing the rule. how is he even going to do it? >> the short answer is micah johnson is probably going to need democrats to support the rule. you negotiate on the front end. the reason democrats voted down pretty much every role republicans have put forward is that's generally how it works. they don't get a say in the schedule and they vote against these rules and johnson has never really gone to them and said i need your support, let's work out a process. he's almost certainly going to have to because it's almost impossible to see him getting enough republican support in his slimming majority to try to

trigger the process. >> there's no way he can have a party vote. he's got to go to democrats to get them to vote to execute his plan. there's going to be some negotiations about what to do. democrats will have input. that will then only further infuriate the people like marjorie taylor greene and tom massey and maybe others who then have the ability to try to essentially call a vote to depose him. should he do what he's going to do which is negotiate on democrats, get the rule and get this to a vote followed by we think some sort of purge attempt? >> this is the problem that speaker johnson faces. he's come up with a mechanism that could craft these coalitions to pass the foreign aid bill. there's a lot of talk about the hard right in their opposition and that is true. there's also a lot of influential republicans and committee chairs like mike turner who support nato, they

do want to stand up to russia, they do support u.s. assistance to ukraine. johnson can't wave them away or ignore them. he can't disrespect them. this is his attempt to show them he's listening and going to put a vote out. the problem is, in this slimming and tiny majority which is going to fall to a one- vote majority this friday when mike gallagher leaves they are already two members of the republican conference on the record saying they will vote to depose him if this comes up. audrey taylor greene is not triggered, she's dangling the piece of paper and it's clear that ukraine eight is a redline. this is the kind of thing that could trigger that. >> thank you very much. that is all in. good evening. only you and elizabeth warren could make a breakdown of the tax code must watch tv. >> that's