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one of these witnesses is expected to go first in the trump hush money trial. who is it and why? and could the attorney general start to seize assets again if judge voids his bond? it's a new twist that will play out this week. a very good day to all of you. welcome to alec witt reports. congress is getting closer to deliver critical aid to u.s. allies. the senate will vote on the 95 billion-dollar foreign aid bill on tuesday. earlier today senator blumenthal and senator graham spoke. >> i think america is back on
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offense. this sign of us coming together for our national security and send a message to the dictators of the world. if you think you're going to be popping your champagne corks, america will defend democracy.>> this idea, if you pull the plug on ukraine because you don't have the capability, this idea that we can't help taiwan and israel the same time, i reject that totally. new challenges are merging for donald trump as he bounces a campaign and a trial. he had to cancel a north carolina rally due to bad weather. it would've been the first one since the hush money trial began. he called in to give supporters the news. >> there seems to be thunder and lightning. if you don't mind, we will have to do a rain check.
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>> he has a jam-packed legal schedule. opening arguments begin tomorrow in the hush money trial. he also has a bond hearing in the civil fraud judge. tuesday there will be a gag order hearing in the hush money trial and thursday the supreme court will hear arguments for his claims of immunity in the federal election interference case. and we have a new poll out today. it shows his lead over president biden shrinking. now two points ahead. this is within the margin of error. but with rfk jr. included, it helps joe biden giving him a 2- point lead over donald trump. they also found voter interest fell to a 20 year low of 64%. let's begin on capitol hill. a big day. it's great with all that breaking news. the news of the house passing
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the long-awaited foreign aid bill. and now does it cost the speaker's leadership? >> that's the question that i'm thinking about. the republicans and democrats that expressed outrage that he could be ousted are asking today and it was an historic day on capitol hill yesterday. this morning the speaker's job is in jeopardy.>> he's already a lame-duck. a foreign war package that does nothing for america? when i the house has passed a series of crucial funding bills in a rare session. among them $60 billion to ukraine in their fight against russia. 26 billion for israel in its war against hamas. and billions for humanitarian needs in gaza.
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>> the bill is passed. >> reporter: and $8 billion to taiwan. hard-line republicans say they feel betrayed and accused johnson of prioritizing helping ukraine over funding for the southern border. >> we had members of congress and their waving the ukrainian flag while you're doing nothing to secure our border. i think every american should be furious. womack after the speaker's trip to mar-a-lago day >> i think he's doing a very good job. >> reporter: and this was not enough to quiet three conservatives putting pressure on johnson to resign. pressure that is growing after democrats carried his agenda over the finish line. >> the house has worked its will. >> reporter: we you commit to bringing a motion to vacate? >> i'm pretty sure that will come to the floor if he does
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not resign. >> reporter: johnson said he's not going anywhere. but i don't walk around this building worried about a motion to vacate. >> reporter: i did ask him if he would resign and he ignored my questions. but let's put his fate aside. the senate still has crucial work to get these foreign aid bills and the tiktok bill over the finish line. they can do it as soon as tuesday. there's overwhelming bipartisan support to get this through and the president said he would sign it as soon as congress approves. coming up, i will get reaction from senator tim kaine, when we discussed the tuesday vote on these. in less than 24 hours, donald trump will return to the defendants jerry york. the judge will talk about what prior bad acts that prosecutors can bring up. and after opening statements from the prosecution and defense
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, the first witness will be called to give testimony against trump in the first criminal trial against a former american president. the identity is the source of intense speculation. prosecutors agreed to give defense lawyers one name, only if they did not share it with trump. the new york attorney general is asking the court to reject the $175 million bond that he posted to appeal the 454 million civil fraud judgment. you could be forced to come up with cash or find a new bond company. and the weather led to a cancellation of a rally. we have legal experts in place covering all the latest developments. first we go to wilmington, north carolina, where the weather canceled that rally.
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>> reporter: after week of jury selection, the president will be in court. the 1st for criminal trials and the only one before november. yesterday he came to north carolina for a rally to connect with voters for the first time since jury selection. he had to cancel because of the weather. he had a hard time with this trial ongoing. he has to be in court every single day except on wednesdays. tomorrow are opening statements. first the prosecution and then the defense. and then on day two we will find out about the possible violation of the gag order where he cannot talk about anyone involved in his trial. let's talk witnesses for a moment. stormy daniels and michael cohen . stormy daniels said she had with trump in 2006, which trump denies. and she was paid off for being
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silent. 34 counts of falsifying business records to influence the 2016 election. the former president of the united states and the republican presumptive nominee is found guilty, he could face up to for years in prison. >> thank you. let's go to the former bronx, new york assistant district attorney. she was in court for the first week. and the former prosecutor in the district attorney's office in texas and now a civil rights attorney. welcome to both of you. while trump's sits for the hush money trial tomorrow, the judge will hear an argument to reject the bond. does this mean he might again be facing seizure of assets? >> thank you for having me.
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i think that this certainly puts us in to it an unprecedented situation where we were a few weeks ago where there were concerns that he was not going to make this bond. we would be back to square one. if this bond is voided, the attorney general has agreed to give him seven days to come up with yet another bond. in that time she will be evaluating her options as she was weeks ago. one of those could be seizing assets of bank accounts, which would send the family business into a tailspin. she could also look into the possibility of seizing properties and other assets. so i mean, again, we come back to a place where -- we will see what she chooses to do. i'm sure they are evaluating their options.>> david, do you think that donald trump's lawyers were believed when he canceled that rally? was the cancellation potentially partly
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strategic? >> i think it is a good chance that it was strategic. and this will be an ongoing theme we talk about this trial. they cannot accommodate uncontrollable witnesses. one thing we saw happen during the first few days of this trial will come up because president trump -- the former president can open the door by making statements publicly that are not true that can go back to bite him in the courtroom. so his lawyers would prefer for him to say as little as possible from now until the trial is done.>> the first order of business tomorrow is the ruling on the sandoval hearing. prosecutors want to cross- examine him on the e. jean carroll defamation case as well as his 450 film dollar $450 million fraud judgment. >> this is a concerted witch hunt.
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this is a witch hunt by democrat judges. weather is judge kaplan with a person, i have no idea who this person was cut this judge. >> somebody should count the number of times he says witch hunt. but doesn't seem that this list of previous bad acts, does it shake him up? >> yes, i would absolutely say that it shakes them up. i think they would certainly evaluate if they wanted to testify if, in fact, he will be confronted with these prior court rulings. i had the opportunity of sitting in the civil fraud case and the most recent e. jean carroll defamation case and i
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saw his reaction and during the civil fraud case he sat at the table and consistently shook his head in disagreement about everything that was happening. and then at the e. jean carroll case, when the judge mentioned that he was found by a prior jury of sexually abusing her, he was noticeably displeased. and certainly the fact that the jury would hear these prior rulings but also see his reaction is something that i think would be a calculus that his attorneys will have to make in deciding if he will testify.>> in fact, trump's own lawyer said he's concerned if certain matters are raised. trump might fill compelled to dispute the claims. but wouldn't that open the door for him to go off the rails and create more problems for himself? >> 100%. nobody likes a liar. and he does not tell the truth. he didn't tell the truth in the
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past and he won't in this instant. sandoval is a 1974 case where someone was put on trial for murder but did other bad things. and the argument is you cannot bring up prior ask for the purpose to say that this person has a criminal character and committed this crime. but there are lots of caveats. so trump lawyers want to know what is the prosecutor going to get into if i put him on the stand. and the judge can tell you, here's what is off limits. however, it doesn't protect trump from bringing up things that the prosecution can come behind him and correct. because he will leave a false impression in the minds of the jury. the former president can get up there and say, you know, i would never disrespect a woman that way and i would never say something that wasn't true. you've opened the door to your entire history. there's a
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strong possibility that that could happen. >> stay with me. we have a lot to get to and it includes how long opening statements will stake, who the first witness will be, and will be a surprise. and could they take the stand tomorrow? we are back in 60 seconds. look at this new ooil miracle-gro. everybody should have it. it worked great for us. this is as good as gold in any garden. if people only knew that it really is about the dirt. you're a dirt nerd. huge dirt nerd. i'm proud of it! [ryan laughs] everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.
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the new york times is reporting that david packer is set to be the first witness in the hush money trial tomorrow. we are not able to confirm this report, but we do have kate and david back. this reporting, does it square with what you are hearing and why would prosecutors want david go first? >> the new york times is hearing that david may be the first witness to be called. and he's the former publisher of the national enquirer. and if he is the first witness
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that prosecutors choose to put on the stand, how they plan to approach it. david , as a close friend of trump in 2016 was part of this scheme to suppress negative stories about trump. and for some of them the concept of catch and kill and try to suppress the stories. if he is ultimately the first witness, the prosecutor will say we want to put up this witness and explain the scheme that was concocted in 2016 that ultimately created what becomes this hush money payment and what prosecutors say was the scheme to affect the outcome of the election.>> and created the payments for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. so do we actually get to a
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first witness tomorrow. >> i think if we've seen anything in judge juan merchan's attempt to keep this under control, we got a jury in three days and he is set to get this case done in the six week time frame. they will break early for passover. so it's possible we get to the first witness. >> just to drill down on opening statements, prosecutors say this is about the rule of law and whether or not donald trump broker. his allies struck three hush money deals and stories that could derailed his candidacy. the times says directly linking
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him to the plot to falsify records is another matter altogether. his lawyers will likely argue he was oblivious and that michael cohen handled the specifics. david, is it difficult to prove this case? would a jury believed that cohen decided to dip into his home equity to give money to stormy daniels? >> i don't think it's difficult to prove this legally. and here's why. the rule for the prosecution's office is you don't bring a high profile case in that you expect to lose. he has shown this to others and they've assured him that he can legally approve this case. it's whether or not the jury gets distracted when they hear this evidence. they really need to play this straight. this is what you and i were talking about in the last segment about prior bad acts. you have two lawyers and an
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engineer on the jury. i don't know any trial lawyer who would voluntarily have a lawyer on the trial alone to. they are the rare exception in terms of jurors who will focus on evidence and arguments. therefore, you don't want to be too salacious in your opening statement. you want to play it straight and let them know he did it and we are going to prove it and you're the fax you will hear and leave it to the defense to make things dramatic to say they brought this up and we had to respond to it. >> that's a very smart analysis. tuesday it shifts to a contempt motion on the gag order. lawyers claim that he violated it about 10 times. will he go to prison if he is convicted? is this a realistic threat facing donald trump? what are the odds? >> judge juan merchan has a
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reputation for being tough on white collar crimes, but it's a possibility that if he is convicted of the counts that he could be sent to prison. this crime could carry up to 40 years of incarceration. it is likely that he would run these concurrently rather than consecutively, but it is a possibility. is also possible that ultimately if he is convicted that he faces probation. right now we don't know and it's something that throughout the course of the evidence and ultimately once a verdict is reached that the judge would be evaluating. >> do you perceive of any judge throwing trump in prison? >> no. there's no chance. and here's why.
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there are things about the criminal justice system that we don't talk about. the facility that you go to has a big decision to play in determining how you serve your time. years ago, if you recall, chris tilton had a dwi. she would go to the facility and be let out early and people would wonder what is going on? what any warden will say is, i don't want him in my facility because i cannot keep him safe. so don't sent him here. there's a possibility he is sentenced to time. i think it is remote, but the likelihood of him being inside a jail cell is nonexistent. >> i'm curious. is their buzz around the courthouse about stormy daniels and do you see the upside or the peril that the prosecution has putting her on the stand?>> i don't know that there's a ton of conversations. i think reporters are talking
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about the possibility that she would come for the proceedings and possibly become a witness. i think prosecutors are making the calculus of is her testimony -- is it even necessary? are there other witnesses that can fill in the gaps of this hush money deal without her taking the stand. i'm sure she will be prepared to testify, but prosecutors are trying to decide if it's needed or will that create more of a sideshow.>> thank you so much. is number one in the new pool. but should democrats be wary of what looks like good news?
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fresh landscape in the race for the white house. joe biden cutting into trump's lead to percentage points. that's within the margin of error. the share of voters who say they have a high interest in the election, that has hit an all-time low. 64% say they have a high level of interest. joining us now is aaron gilchrist. this is where the president is spending the weekend. what else are we learning? >> let me start with yesterday. the president has been quiet since he put out a statement. we heard from lloyd austin about the passage of this funding -- security funding he said it will help the department of
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defense support ukraine and israel and send humanitarian aid to palestinians, and put $50 billion into the u.s. defense industrial base. he said it will create jobs in more than 30 states. this is something that the president can celebrate as a win. but it is a temperate celebration because the reality is that this is money going toward helping war efforts. it is not something that the white house would want to celebrate in a big way. it's worth noting that we are looking at the polling from nbc news. it looked at the job performance of president biden as he moves through this campaign season. you can see on the screen his approval rating is at 42%. but there is a disapproval rating of 56%. while the approval is up five points from january, there is still that 56% that is
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something that no president wants to see. and we've seen the president trying to cut into that. the campaign would say that as he travels around the country and has been to the battleground states leading up to the election, he's trying to make inroads with different constituencies that he needs to win over in order to win the election in november. we've seen the blitz on the ground. and a blitz on television. we had earlier one of the campaign managers for president biden talking about the fact that the president and his team are making sure they go into communities and grow their footprints and make sure that they read reach out to potential voters. >> these offices we are opening is not just for the sake of saying we have been. they are so we can engage in communities that range from
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telling them about the things that president biden has done for them, but helping people connect to the things that he's done that they might not be aware of.>> we will c this week president biden will go to tampa, and he will be talking about reproductive freedoms. when he speaks there on tuesday , this is a state where there is a six-week abortion ban that will go into effect a week or so after he speaks there. florida is not a state that you see a democratic candidate making much of a push in. but they say there's no space that they don't consider to be in play. and so he will go to florida and we will see what he has to say about the risks that he believes that trump would post a freedoms overall.>> i'm so glad you sent this. i had a friend asked me when he
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was coming to florida. i hope she herger. joining me now are msnbc political analyst. coming to your stomping grounds. what kind of a reception do you think you will get?>> democrats are organizing to give them a warm reception. the reason it's critical is there's a ballot initiative where florida voters get to decide if they want to eliminate those restrictions are not. so this has all of the makings of an enthusiastic constituency. but nobody knows this. no one has started spending money. the outside groups have not started to spend money so joe biden coming here puts this issue front and center. and i suspect that outside groups, pro-reproductive
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freedom groups will be on the oits making sure that voters know.>> another question is a key finding of the national poll released today. it shows voters with a high interest in the election hit a 20 year low. but it also shows some promising signs for the president. he trails donald trump by two points. what do you make of this apathy? >> i think it israel. voters have been saying they do not want this rematch. and we kind of wish away that poll number. but they said we would like a different choice. and the news is good for joe biden. even though you see national numbers trending in the election and it will be decided by the electoral college, it indicates
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in these key electoral college states. >> this finds that when the ballot is expanded to five candidates to include rfk jr., biden takes the lead. so this seems to contradict the political wisdom that a third- party vote hurts joe biden. what to make of this? >> you have to look at those swing states. because that is not necessarily the case. and to go back to that enthusiasm, what is going on in florida is a perfect time for the democrats to start doing voter registration. and that's
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what needs to happen across the country. those numbers are horrifying. and for joe biden they are bad because trump, at least in the survey, his people are excited about the race and for joe biden it is 65. and that's the difference of people staying home or not. >> david, it has inflation and immigration as at the top of the list of concerns for voters. joe biden has a commanding lead when it comes to abortion rights and uniting the country. will that be enough to get them over the finish line? >> reproductive freedom produces new voters that don't show up in polls. and that could be decisive in key states. about the economy, joe biden
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has to keep telling the story. the stock market and your retirement account is at an all- time high. access to education and education is at a high. and the contrast comes in. do you want someone who wakes up every day to fight for his own freedom or someone who is fighting for your freedom. i think joe is set up very well for this race.>> donald trump is sitting in a manhattan courtroom for the next six weeks. he's limited to campaigning on weekends for now. this would seem to give joe biden the upper hand. but is there any way that trump can turn this into an advantage as he plays the victim? >> no. a little bit he can do is get his supporters more wild up and raise money. but that does not help them to win the election. as a matter of fact, when it comes to this trial, and it
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could've been any one of the others, i think what is happening is that they are being reminded of all of the chaos that donald trump brings. it's not just the lies at his rallies. but when you see him at the courthouse and when we start hearing these names again, it's the chaos. and a former president is more popular than when they were president. but when the voters are reminded, i think it goes against donald trump. especially with independent suburban women.>> the house passed a bill for assistance for ukraine. 112 republicans voted against this. what is driving the gop from opposing russian aggression and supporting u.s. alliances? is it just to deny president biden and democrats a win, or
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is there a legit concern over foreign spending? >> ignorance certainly and ignoring the real threat of vladimir putin. and negative partisanship. if joe biden is asking for it, then republicans voted down. mike johnson did the right thing. i think that hakeem jeffries should protect them through the end of fear and then take the gavel in january. there is nothing of consequence left before the end of the year. just keep the government open until the democrats take control.>> thank you. another headline, and this involves shops and businesses shut down and protest. and that is coming next.
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now to breaking news about the conflicts in the middle east. palestinians shut down all businesses and schools in protest of an israeli military rate at a refugee camp that killed at least 10 people. this is latest instance of israeli clamping down any occupied territory. joining me now is matt bradley. what can you tell us about the escalating violence on the west
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bank? >> reporter: the palestinian health ministry has put the number of 14 as those killed in the refugee camp. it houses palestinians who left the country they were either expelled or they fled. regardless of who you believe, it represents a massive spike in violence. already we can sing violence on the west bank since the october 7th attacks by hamas. has been overshadowed by the more than 30,000 who've been killed in the gaza strip. but the violence is continuing. this was by jewish settlers in the west bank. and now, in the next couple of days we expected to hear from the biden administration plans to sanction one that israeli defense forces that operates in the west bank. and that is mostly populated by
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far right israelis, byte religious is released. that could become a target of u.s. sanctions. it won't surprise you that this has rankled the israeli authorities. we could hear about the sanctions in the coming days. we also heard there was another death of an ambulance driver as he tried to reach the scene of violence in which israeli settlers were attacking palestinians. more violence not just from the idf, from the jewish settlers in the west bank. this is something that has been spiking since the beginning of this latest round of fighting. and we are still sing violence in the gaza strip. the attacks that killed several today in the city on the southern edge of the gaza strip/ on the border with egypt. and that is a city that is about to become the subject of
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an attack that would see them trying to skirmish the last bit of hamas fighters in that region. there are about 1.5 million palestinians there and groups warn that anyway there could lead to a humanitarian disaster. >> thank you so much. the perils facing jurors in the donald trump hush money case , no matter what they do to shield their identity. we will hear from a critic who remained anonymous for time and what happened when he revealed his name. in theaters now.
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opening statements in the hush money trial are less than 24 hours away. in the coming weeks it's possible we could hear from the former president. on friday he was asked if he would testify and he said yes. joining us now is miles taylor. he's the chief policy officer of the future u.s. he's the author of blowback. do you expect to hear this guy testify? >> great to see you. i think with trump the answer is never necessarily the truth lancer. i think he will hold that option and we've seen the story before. we've seen him talk about how
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he would testify in his defense and dangling the possibility in his own impeachment that it might be the case. we will see how the trial is breaking. if they think there's an opportunity for trump to win over public opinion, they will do it. but i'm sure his lawyers are very nervous about the possibility. trump is a man who is clinically constructed to perjure himself. he says one thing and then another. he could put himself in a difficult position legally. one of the bigger things that people worry about is if trump does testify in his own defense, how might he use that moment to further extend this air of intimidation that hangs over this trial. it is clear he's building a campaign about revenge and he's been that into the courtroom who worry a lot of us that are watching.>> is trump, do you
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think, worried about losing and potential prison time, or what he see that as firing up the base, and would he be right about that? >> once upon a time, i think his greatest fear -- aside from losing his wealth, was going to prison. and in this case he's less worried about that for a few reasons. first of all, there's a possibility of him being convicted and not having to do any time. sentencing will be a different question. and lawyers feel confident there's a possibility for him to dodge jail time. but more importantly, alex, the ex-president views this as martyrdom. they have bought into the narrative that the justice system is stacked against him. i think in some ways it feels like he's beating the judge and tearing him to slap a gag order
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that he could defy or allow him to go further in intimidation and if you did get put away even if it was for night, they would use it as a symbol in the election campaign to rally supporters and say is justice run amok. that is what is alarming. and he will test the justice system with that. >> a number of potential jurors have expressed legitimate concerns about their safety. does he want jurors to feel intimidated? he did recently compare himself to al capone. >> he did. and i know a thing or two about this. when i was speaking out against him and tried to preserve my anonymity, it was, in part, there was a need on my behalf to protect the security of my family and my identity. we keep the anonymity of folks
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preserved because of exactly that eventuality. but even then, there were things that happened in pretrial were some of the identities of the jurors were easy to figure out because the questions they were asked. make no mistake, this trial is unprecedented because it's the first criminal trial of a former president. but it is also unprecedented for those in the jury box. no jury has ever had to consider the guilt or innocence of a former president and no jury has been put into this position in today's culture of intimidation. we should be much more worried about protecting the safety of those people rather than if the ex-president fears prison time.>> can i ask you to elaborate on what it is you went through. let me remind people that you would come on occasionally when you were trying to be completely anonymous.
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you would come on and have a background that was a white wall. there was no detecting where you were. i'm curious about the links you had to go to protect yourself and your family and how frightening that was? >> i hope as i say this that none of this will be the experience of any of the jurors. but we know at the same time that a lot of public officials, especially within the republican party who have spoken out against the ex- president have suffered withering intimidation from supporters of his. in my case, i had to leave my home. i was on the run for months. i had to be under armed guard and carry a concealed weapon. to this day we have to take extraordinary security measures and we are still on the receiving end of threats and stalkers that want to carry forward the ex-president's view
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that i should be punished for having spoken out against him. what is unusual about that story is it's not unusual. it has become commonplace for those who worked for donald trump to be relentlessly hounded years later by his supporters. it up and their lives, and for him it's a signal sent to anybody else who would dare speak out against him. which is an extraordinary thing to say in a country like the u.s. >> not only do i admire you, but so do many viewers. thank you, my friend. we will see you soon. this is one of the lesser highlighted subjects. senator tim kaine will join me to see if it will be repeated in the senate and we will talk about his new book in the next hour.
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