that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next week at 5:00 p.m. eastern. right now it's the sunday show with jonathan capehart. history tomorrow, donald trump becomes the first former american president to face the jury of his peers in a criminal trial. that's just days before the supreme court considers the claim of presidential immunity. it is a decision that could be a game changer in legal efforts to hold him accountable. here to break down the monumental week ahead. new world order, now that the house has finally passed aid for ukraine. we'll take a closer look at what it will really take to keep putin and other autocrats in check. retired general and former nato commander wesley clark is here with his advice for the president. and the state of the race.

a new nbc news poll will show biden's approval rating inching higher and his race against donald trump that's getting tighter. nbc mark murray joining me live to discuss the story behind the numbers. i'm jonathan capehart. this is the sunday show. tomorrow we will see something none of us has ever seen before. the criminal prosecution of a former american president. for the first time donald trump will face a jury of his peers in a case that could carry prison time. trump's hush money and election interference trial could be the ultimate test of the rule of law and the nature of the accountability in this country. in less than 24 hours, the prosecution and the defense will deliver opening statements in front of 12 members of the

jury and six alternates, laying out the evidence for and against trump's guilt. that's in spite of multiple last-ditch efforts by trump's team to delay the start of the trial. as a reminder, trump is charged with falsifying records. the manhattan district attorney accuses trump of interfering in the 2016 election, by disguising payments to adult film star stormy daniels to keep quiet, her allegation of a pass sexual encounter with trump as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty and denies any wrong doing. he says he'll testify in his own defense. tomorrow, the judge will decide how he could be cross examined if he does take the stand. during jury selection last week, angry and defiant donald trump would try to make his case to the only cameras allowed, outside the courtroom. here is a taste of the hallway press conferences. >> this case should have never

been brought into america. it is called legal expenses, what you're suppose to call it. and all the legal experts, they are saying how this is not a case. the case is ridiculous. and this is another one where the case is ridiculous. the judge will have to take off the gag order where it is very, very unfair that my constitutional rights have been taken away. >> prosecutors say trump has already violated his gag order at least ten times, including sharing a comment on social media calling jurors, undercover liberal activists. weighing in on the gag order tuesday, fining trump for those posts. and that's not the only threat to trump's finances this week. at a hearing also tomorrow, the new york attorney general will seek to cancel trump's $175 million bond in his civil fraud case after questioning whether the company that issued the bond has the money to cover it.

if the judge agrees, trump will have just seven days to secure a different loan or have some of his assets seized. but looming over all these cases is the supreme court, which will finally be here on thursday. oral arguments in trump's claim of presidential immunity. the question at issue here is a fundamental one. how much can a current or former president get away with that the rest of us can't? make no mistake. if the high court rules in his favor, it could derail all legal efforts to hold trump accountable for his actions. alter the rule of law, and change the nature of american democracy. trump has clearly been a little obsessed with all of this. posting online about presidential immunity more than a dozen times this weekend alone. trump will be stuck in new york during his supreme court date, but expect the legal team to bring the crazy even without him. as you may remember, trump's attorney told the lower court a

president can be immuned from prosecution even for ordering a murder. >> a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached would be subject to criminal prosecution. >> if you were convicted first. >> so your answer is? >> my answer is qualified yes. >> and just let sink in. an argument that would let a pr get away with murder. if that is up. joining me now is the former prosecutor who is an nbc legal analyst and host of the justice matters podcast. also with me, mark joseph stern, senior writer for slate. glen, mark, thank you both for being here. mark, you're here at the table, so we'll start with you. you were initially skeptical of the manhattan district attorney's case, but you have come around. what's changed her mind about the importance of this trial? >> well, you know, over the

past year i think manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and his team have made an extraordinarily strong case that this really was a felony offense under new york law. that it wasn't just a misdemeanor involving some kind of low level recordkeeping crime, but that it was tied in fundamentally to federal and state laws involving campaign finance and election interference. that's why had district attorney bragg has made such an effort over and over again to say this is not just about a porn star or hush money, but election interference. that's an important point. we're all watching these cases about 2020 get stuck in the lower courts, not go to trial. this is the first to go forward. there's been a temptation to say this one doesn't really matter. it's not a big deal. but the fact it is fundamentally about honest elections and whether trump can break all the rules that apply to everyone else. i think that matters. it really raises the stakes here. i was sort of convinced this was the right time to bring these charges and the right

charges because the district attorney shows if trump is found guilty of these offenses that he truly did conspire the state and federal laws. that's a serious offense, and he should be held accountable. >> all right, glen, you're the former federal prosecutor. were you also skeptical of this case, the manhattan district attorney's case? >> i was really not all that skeptical, jonathan. when you see the mountain of evidence, okay, this is coming from the former career prosecutor, i understand. when you see the mountain of evidence that has been amassed against donald trump. when the folks who are suspicious of this sort of quality of the evidence in this case go to things like well michael cohen was lying. of course michael cohen was lying. in large part to try to protect donald trump and keep him out of hot water. but it's not the question of whether a witness lied previously that will convince a jury about the strength or weakness of the case. it's whether they are telling

the truth now and whether they have corroborated with things like covert audio recordings of donald trump and michael cohen conspiring to commit the crime. check with hard evidence like documents, reimbursement checks that donald trump was writing including out of the oval office. you take the weakness and you turn it into a strength because you would talk about the motive for lying, which was to help his former boss. i'm not all that concerned that if the jury will follow the evidence and applies the instruction of laws as they give it to him. i am fairly confident that they might end up convicting donald trump and they might do it in a new york minute. >> and glen, they have had to worry about their identities being leaked. a couple have been asked to be removed from the case. might we see other jurors asked to be dismissed? >> it is inevitable that we will have other jury bumps

along the way here. it is not that unusual when we would send them home for the night that they will come back the next day hearing the opening statements. and they are like you know what, i came up with some reasons, some concerns. i might not be able to sit. that'll happen all the time. then early on in the process, the judge, if those reasons are valid, they can dismiss that juror and replace that juror with an alternate that i will have a lingering concern because there are only six alternates that are seated. if we would have an unusually high number of jurors who will feel like they want to get off the jury and maybe, you know, they are feeling uncomfortable or they have been gotten to. i've had that happen over the years. i hope that six is enough and i trust that six will be enough? >> you know, mark, maggie haberman of the new york times writes "people close to trump are anxious about how he will handle having so little to do as he sits there on weeks on

end. it has been decades since he's had to spend so much time in the immediate vicinity of anyone who is not part of his family, his staff, or his strong of admirers." what kind of impression is trump making with the jury? >> he has made a poor impression with the potential jurors so far. we know he has looked hostile and aggressive as jurors, they have paraded before him, saying their true feelings about the former president. this is manhattan. many of those feelings are far from positive. a lot of these potential jurors have criticized him, saying things to his face that he has not heard in person for many years since he is so insulated from the criticism. jurors pick up on that and they pick up on body language and on muttering. they will take it as a sign of untrustworthiness that they might have something to hide. it is not going to play well for him once that actually goes to trial this coming weeks. >> hey, glenn, what do you

expect on the supreme court hearing this week? >> and so jonathan, i'm not so concerned that the supreme court is going to say a president can commit any and all crimes against the people of the united states and violation of the federal laws and do so without complete immunity and immunity from prosecution. i have a greater concern that they are going to be so interested in what they will call outer perimeter immunity, which is not a thing in the criminal law, but it is a thing in the civil law. you know, they may conclude that well if there are some outer perimeter crimes the president commits. maybe he should have immunity for that and the only way we will know whether any of what donald trump did, should enjoy outer perimeter immunity is to send it back, to hold all kinds of hearings on whether some of what he did might enjoy some outer perimeter protection. then it could come back to the

supreme court. then we can definitively resolve the case. the reason why i'm concerned about that is it will eat up so much time. donald trump may not be tried until who knows, 2026. >> glenn, speaking of eating up time, i'm going to have you come back because the whole idea of outer perimeter immunity, demands its own segment. it will defy logic to this here. but glenn kirshcner, mark, thank you so much for coming back to sunday's show. tomorrow, tune in at 10:00 a.m. eastern for special coverage of opening statements and donald trump's new york criminal trial. and then at 8:00 p.m. eastern, rachel maddow and team will break down the latest in this case tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up the foreign aid package passed by the house now heads to the senate after months of resistance from hard right republicans. i'll speak with former nato

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tuesday the senate will start to vote on legislation that will send billions of dollars to ukraine, israel, taiwan. the package, which finally passed in the house yesterday in a rare senate session after months of delay and republican dysfunction totals more than $95 billion. even with the delay, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy stressed the importance of this action saying, "democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never

fail as long as america helps to protect it." that protection is more important now than ever. and this morning on meet the press, president zelenskyy also issued this warning after he was asked his thoughts on donald trump encouraging vladimir putin to invade nato countries who don't pay defense bills. >> i know for sure if ukraine fails, then putin, definitely will invade the baltic countries. why? not because there is some interesting idea or strategy, but because putin, wants to return the soviet union and he really wants to retake all of it. they are now at independence states. whether they are in nato or not, they don't care.

>> putin wants to return the influence of the shoved union. that's a sobering statement. he's not the only one sounding the alarm, in an open letter to biden about the changing national security threats for the united states at home and abroad. my next guest warned, "the united states is facing an emerging increasingly more closely aligned group of author hadtarian powers, deeply opposed to the u.s. ed will rules based international order. joining me now is the retired four-star general wesley clark, former nato supreme court ally in europe. general clark, great to see you. thank you for coming to the sunday show. your letter will go into some detail about how russia in league with china, iran, north korea are working together to destabilize america's position as a global leader. talk more about that. >> so what you have is these four countries increasingly working together.

you have a strategic alliance between china and russia between russia and iran. you have north korea feeding its artillery and other armor equipment into russia. china u supplying the high- technology goods for the russian defense industry. iran supplying drones. russia supplying high- technology from air defense and maybe some aircrafts into iran. all of this is being pulled together ever more closely. vladimir putin had hamas leaders come to moscow. so he's really orchestrating this and he's got a major offensive going against the u.s. political system at the same time. >> and we will talk about that in a minute. but has the delay in getting the funding bill through congress aided this authoritarian access that you're warning about? >> they lost some critical

terrain. that bill hasn't passed yet and that assistance is not there. so we would need like an air lift to fly that stuff directly into ukraine. heavy equipment, ammunition, and all missiles, everything that they need that needs to be flown in right away. i don't know if we're planning that. i don't know if it has cost it out in that $60 billion. if it will take a couple of months and if they have those wide open opportunities to exploit the weakness that we have groups who have had to surrender to the russians because they did not have a single bullet left. >> you stressed in your letter they need to confront the weapon since they repeatedly threatened nuclear weapons to prevent u.s. and western assistance to ukraine. how? >> well from the beginning, putin has threatened horrific consequences. we just had the iranians threaten them with basically

the same thing yesterday. when you say that, that's nuclear weapons. and some of their lieutenants have been even more explicit in this. so nobody will want that nuclear war, sure. and you can't just keep backing away from this. these countries in the politics, poland, romania, they know what it feels like to be under the boot heel as they don't want it again and they are looking to the united states and they will see us backing away like oh no confrontation. they are saying okay, there is a legal treaty. is the united states really willing to confront putin when he threatens weapons? what about our nuclear weapons? and we need to really think this through for 30 years since the cold war ended, we have been on the glide path that was comfortable, nice, the sole

super power. and we are now underchallenged from this group of nations that will want to erode to help lead the world as they are willing to rely on the nuclear threat. >> that's another thing that they are willing to do as you mentioned this a moment ago to use our own system against this that you could say it has become a major quote of operations. what do you mean? >> absolutely. what they will have is the whole influence to try to change or view the american people to make it difficult for the leaders in our government to formulate policies. so they do this in a number of ways and they will have people working with academics on social media networks, posing as americans. they have money that's coming in through businesses that are co-owned with foreign countries. there is a lot of ways that

they are influencing, but it's a game plan. before there was social media and before there was the internet, of course they would try to do this. we're a very important country. it was always tear aim to try to influence the american politics, but they were not good at it. but social media and the internet has given them what we call the multiple attack vectors. that they could now reach out individually to american voters and feed them disinformation. feed them information that is 80% correct, 20% is what the russians will want you to believe. so this is the methodology that you say things that sound reasonable. no doubt about it. but how does that compare to the threat to democracy if ukraine falls? >> general wesley clark, i want to keep in touch with you because i want to know if you do, indeed, hear from the president about your memo to the president that dropped on thursday.

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has been busy preparing, protesting the first. they had to be canceled due to weather. in a brand new nbc news poll that will appear to show the race tightening and biden' momentum gaming. in a head-to-head matchup, the polls show biden at 44% against trump who slight lead over the incumbent has dropped to 46%. that narrowing gap falling well within the margin of error. this will remain a close contest. now get this when the ballot is expanded to include the other candidates, biden is the one with the two-point advantage over trump. the poll found more backed robert kennedy than biden's supporters. biden's approval rating is on the rise, ticking up to 42% among registered voters. a five-point increase since nbc's last poll back in january.

and there is more encouraging news for president biden. numbers indicate biden is beginning to rebuilt his coalition from the 2020 election. case in point, his gains over the past few months come from key parts of his base including a crucial group he needs to win back the white house. black voters. joining me now is mark murray. the senior political editor for nbc news and salinda lake, president of lake research. salinda, mark, welcome back to the sunday show. put these close numbers between trump and biden into contact. >> yeah, i think it is important to note that our polls will come after the president biden state of the union address just a couple of months ago as well as ramped up campaign activity by him. the end of the primary season, where people were declaring winners in iowa and new hampshire. and then, of course, as you ended up mentioning, the disparity of biden hitting the campaign trail and donald trump really not being on there all that much.

when it will come to that horse race, what we really do find is biden is doing a little bit better with the independent voters when it will come to his approval rating in the increase there. he's doing better with the key parts of the democratic base, and the democrats, as well as african american voters. and so the good news for him that he really has climbed out of the political hole that he was in back in the wintertime when he was trailing by five points on the ballot and it is now just two points. this is not necessarily clear sailing in what looks like a very difficult bid for re- election six months from now. >> the polls show abortion as the most issue among the voters at 6 account be. that number rises to 19% when they ask voters if they would vote for or against the candidate based on the issue. are they understand estimating

them as the issue? >> dramatically so. they are due to the abortion issue. a lot of people will vote the abortion issue that don't necessarily say it is the most important problem facing the nation, but they think it is a disqualifier. who is going to do this or that and who knows. people's position on abortion is quite clear and the administration couldn't be clearer about how they disagree with the trump administration. >> let me follow up with you. now that they have allowed a constitutional amendment protecting abortion rights to be included on the november ballot there. does biden have a chance of winning florida? given how those ballot referendums have done since the overturning of roe? >> it certainly helps put florida in play. the other thing that's on the ballot in florida is marijuana.

this is the untold story. but in ohio in 2023 was a portion that were on the ballot with a real intersection affect. the increase turnout of students on campuses. it increased the margin with younger women in particular. we could see the same thing happen in florida that it could make a big difference. >> so mark when asked who they wanted to be in control of congress. 47% said republicans and 46% said democrats. republicans, they held a four- point lead on this question back in january. what can we learn from this? >> i'm glad that you ended up asking this question because to me our congressional preference is the best kind of indicator on what is the overall political environment look like? let's take away attitudes about president biden about donald trump and ask straightly what is the overall political environment in 47, 46 shows and certainly it is a very, very close race right now. but if you're democrats, people in that biden campaign.

you realize that hey that 47, 46 split is a whole lot better than it was three to four months ago. one other thing about improving the political climate for democrats. it is kind of the totality of polling and minimal numbers, all within the margin of error, but they end up showing one thing that democrats and biden are doing better than they were a couple of months ago, but still rough sledding the next six months. >> six months is an eternity in politics, so folks will keep holding their breaths. so the poll will also show that 60% of voters think trump is being treated fairly when it comes to his many legal troubles. what does this say about the electorate real quick? >> it says an important thing. if donald trump in a fair process is convicted by a jury of ordinary people, he's going to be in big trouble in the election. >> wow. when i said real quick, you were real quick. [ laughter ] celinda lake,

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morning on fox news. >> he's betrayed the republican party. completely betrayed the republican voters all over the country. he's absolutely working for the democrats, passing the biden administration's agenda. this is a speakership that's over with and he's trying to hang on to it and in complete denial. he'll need to do the right thing. >> oh. if he doesn't do so, he will be vacated and the rest of what they would say. joining me now is msnbc political contributor and columnist. the former congresswoman donna edwards, msnbc political analyst. and sophia kai, national politics reporter at axios. thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. so let's just do a little round robin here starting with you, charlie. reaction to congresswoman marjorie taylor greene? >> marjorie has had a pretty tough weekend, hasn't she? she was humiliated both in and out of the house of

representatives. when you have the new york post mocking you as moscow marj, that's not a good week. but i do think it's worth remembering marjorie taylor greene as isolated as she is still closer to the beating art of maga than many other republicans. obviously she's kind of venting and lashing out. but i don't think the people ought to understand estimate the hole, the isolation marjorie taylor greene continues to have on the republican base. >> congresswoman edwards, your reaction? >> it is no surprise marjorie taylor greene is calling wolf again and again and again as she does. but i don't think this will go anywhere. i think both republicans and democrats are really tired of her act. they're not going to give in to this motion to vacate. and you're going to see a lot of democrats actually

supporting johnson because he did the right thing on this aid package even though it could have damaged him in the house. >> okay, so now that you brought that up, i was going to hold it for a little bit. but let's play sort of like the dueling banjos in the democratic party. congresswoman jasmine crockett and congressman ro khanna. >> i disagree. i have been critical of him, but he did the right thing here and he deserves to keep his job till the end of this term. >> we don't do things for you or save you because you did the bare minimum of doing your job. you know, doing the decent thing as allies and friends of various nations and countries. that's just doing the bare minimum. >> and so, sophia, given your reporting, these are the folks you cover. the likelihood of them doing

what congresswoman edwards said that eventually democrats are going to save, they're going to save speaker johnson? >> well look, house democratic leadership has said let's not say anything just yet. i think a lot of ranking members say they created this problem, you guys deal with it. i think to congresswoman edwards' point, we may not even get to this point because the key here is that former president trump doesn't want another ugly speakership fight. marjorie taylor greene knows that. i think she's really boxed herself in. i mean the thinking in trump world from what i'm hearing is that speaker johnson is as good as it gets. they won't get more conservative speaker. so why do this, you know, six, seven months before an election? >> right. one more thing there was a tell because ladies and gentlemen, i watched marjorie taylor greene's interview, so you wouldn't have to. at the very end of the interview where she says if it doesn't do so, he will be

vacated. the big tell was what she said after that, which was there are special elections coming up where we will get three more seats, and then basically we will have the votes to oust him. the kevin mccarthy's seat, won't be filled until a special election in may, in early may. just from what i told you because i don't know if you watched her interview. is she giving herself some wiggle room, so when they come back from recess, she is not under any pressure to drop that hammer on the motion to vacate? >> yes, absolutely. she said this is a pink slip and there are trump allies who confronted her and she told them it's a pink slip. so she left washington without pulling the trigger. i think her momentum is not really moving anywhere right now. >> and do you agree with

basically the consensus surrounding the table that marjorie taylor greene -- i think what i said yesterday about donald trump, he's always selling wolf tickets. do you think she's selling wolf tickets on the threat? >> yes. i completely agree. look, they're not going to get rid of mike johnson. the democrats, i think they will go a long way with all of that. and it is worthwhile to step back and think about how extraordinary this weekend was. political courage becomes rare especially among republicans. what you saw was remarkable. it is worthwhile saying congress and the united states did the right thing. you know, this is the most important foreign policy piece of legislation in this congress. republicans, despite all the pressure from mar-a-lago and

steve bannon and the base, stood beside our allies, and provided support for israel, ukraine, and taiwan. and this is an amazing moment, you know, given the bitter partisanship of our politics. you have this kind of bipartisan cooperation and this kind of quasi coalition that i wouldn't, by the way count on that lasting for very long. >> yes. just for this weekend only. we'll be back with my sound-off panel with a short break. we will discuss development at columbia university after pro- palestinian protests led to student arrests. now a warning for jewish students about their safety on campus on the eve of passover. ground shipping

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tensions at columbia university are rising. hundreds of students are continuing pro palestinian protests against the war on gaza even after more than 100 demonstrators were arrested on campus last week. as a result, a rabbi at columbia university is urging all jewish students to return to their homes for their own safety. this will come on the eve of the jewish passover holiday that begins tomorrow night. saying towards the jewish

community and they have no place in the united states. back with me now, the former congresswoman and sophia cai. in the break, we were just sort of chatting about this and you mentioned you're on the board on the board of the university. how have these demonstrations impacted it in your view on the impact of these demonstrations on the university campuses around the country? >> i do think that it will depend on where you are, where that is certainly our experience on the board of wake forest university and our president along with the deans that have been careful about managing the conversations among students. but it is a different campus than the campus. so it is really complex for college presidents, but there is absolutely no place for violence. plenty of places, no place for violence. >> charlie? >> there are two principles

they need to uphold. number one is freedom of speech. the freedom to peacefully assemble. and also they need to draw the line when it will come to intimidation and violence. and as the son of the jewish world war ii veteran, i will continue to be shocked, although perhaps i shouldn't be by some of the anti-semitic rhetoric and some of the hatred directed at jews. it is one thing to disagree and support the palestinian rights. but there are some occasions, which they have crossed that line. any university will need to find that balance between protecting free speech and the right to protest and also creating an environment where jewish students do not have to fear for their safety on the university campus. >> and sophia, the time we have left, i want to switch gears and talk about the republican on republican action on capitol

hill. congressman tony gonzalez, republican of texas was on cnn earlier today. talking about the dysfunctional house and his tart description of the people he has to work with. watch this. >> look, the house is a rough and rowdy place. but mike johnson will be just fine. i served 20 years in the military as my honor to be in congress. but i will serve with some real comebacks. bob good endorsed my opponent, a known neo-nazi. these people used to walk around with white hoods at night and now they are walking around with white hoods in the day time. >> sophia, that right there is an example of why republican, the republican majority can't have nice things. why they are at japan on the democrats to get any kind of legislation over the line. >> well, my mother used to tell me. i mean this is republican on republican. >> right. >> i mean this is like a reminder of what most of this

year has looked like in the house. i mean speaker johnson put out, you know, the mayorkas impeachment vote. it failed. he put out the first vote and it failed. then you've got the republican really not mincing words, describing his republican colleague on national television. that's really remarkable. i will not take, you know, take sides here. >> i would never put you on the spot here to give you an opinion because you're a journalist. but charlie, however, you are not. i mean he's not just describing one person he didn't describe as that colleague of scrum bags. there's a plural on that. >> and he's not wrong. [ laughter ] that really escalated very, very quickly, didn't it? >> yes. >> the way the republicans are talking about other republicans. the way they are talking about matt gase and marjorie taylor greene. it's one thing to say the

republican majority has been dysfunctional, but i'm struggling to remember at times when a political party was at one and another throats the way republicans are right now. >> you've got five seconds if you have any thoughts congresswoman edwards, otherwise we can go. >> white heads. that's enough for me. >> charlie sykes, congresswoman edwards, and sophia cai. we'll be right back with more sunday show right here on msnbc. stay with us. i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all day long.

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