first day of school? >> i would just say, ruby, it's okay. don't worry. it's all going to be fine. it's going to work out. >> ruby bridges, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> really powerful conversation there. that is all for today. thank you so much for watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." i had a great stretch since the state of the union, but donald has had a few tough days

lately. you might call it stormy weather. what the hell. trump's so desperate he started reading those bibles he's selling. then he got to the first commandment. you shall have no other gods before me. that's when he put it down and said, this book's not for me. >> that's president biden with some jokes about his 2024 opponent during this weekend's white house correspondents' dinner. we'll have more of the punch lines and the president's more serious message just ahead. also ahead, we'll go through biden's latest conversation with the israeli prime minister amid a possible invasion in gaza's southern city of rafah. plus, we'll bring you a recap of where donald trump's hush money trial stands and preview what could happen in the manhattan court this week. ♪♪

good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this monday, april 29th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day and week with us. and we'll begin this week with the annual white house correspondents' dinner in washington, d.c. president joe biden took the stage on saturday night at the hilton to poke fun of himself, the media, and his political rivals before ending with a serious message about the need for a free press. >> it's been a year since i delivered this speech, and my wife jill with me tonight was worried how i'd do. i said, don't worry, just like riding a bike. she said, that's what i'm worried about. >> the 2024 election's in full swing, and, yes, age is an issue. i'm a grown man running against a 6-year-old.

>> age is the only thing we have in common. my vice president actually endorses me. >> did you hear what donald trump just said about a major civil war battle? quote, gettysburg, wow! >> trump's speech was so embarrassing the statue of robert e.lee surrendered again. being here is a reminder that folks think what's going on in congress is political theater. that's not true. if it was congress theater, they would have thrown him out a long time ago. i want to close the night by offering my genuine thanks to the free press. there are some who call you the enemy of the people. that's wrong, and it's dangerous. in the age of disinformation,

discredited information, that makes it dangerous, and that makes you more important than ever. so tonight i'd like to make a toast. to a free press, to an informed citizen city, to an america where freedom and democracy endure. god bless america. >> the president also called for the release of wall street gentle reporter evan gershkovich held in russia as well as our journalists wrongfully detained across the globe. next the president turned things over to the dinner's keynote speaker, "saturday night live"'s colin jost who withheld nothing. >> in solidarity with president biden, i decided to lose all my black support. i'm not saying both candidates are old, but you know jummy carter is out there saying i

could maybe win this thing. >> lara trump is here tonight. >> whoo! >> okay. i got one whoo. she recently released the cover of a song, "i won't back down." upon hearing it, tom petty died again. i can't believe i'm saying this to a member of the trump family, but maybe stick to politics? president biden, isn't it crazy he's only our second catholic president? what's even crazier, we'll have our third in rfk jr. i'm kidding. like his vaccine card says, he doesn't have a shot. joining us now, white house reporter for "bloomberg news," josh wingrove. good morning. good to see you.

both you and i were in the room saturday night. though jost got mixed media reviews, he played well. he was pretty personal in his attacks, no jokes, on donald trump. what stood out for you, both silly and serious. >> you heard most of the speech in the highlights. it was short and sweet from the president. he didn't exactly drag on. he kept it focused in part on the topic of informed citizenry. he had a few thoughts, that readers are not always getting full goods and gave some barbs to some outlets in particular that he doesn't like. he's addressing it at a time regarding journalists who complain he doesn't give more interviews but at the same time paid tribute to the journalists.

we should note he came at all. donald trump didn't go as president. it's great for everyone to have the president there. the event raises money as well for scholarships for young journalists. it's an important event, important to have the president there, important for press freedom, and in the background, the simmering questions about who joe biden talks to, when, how frequently. >> you're certainly right, josh, to underscore the performance of the dinner. let's talk about jost a little bit. they're jokes, but they had some truth to them. a lot of comments about the president's age, which, of course, the president himself also went after, but what stuck to me is what jost ran down about the campaign and acting in disbelief, how could this race be tied, that actually struck a chord with a lot of nervous democrats in the room. >> jost at the end told a story

about his grandfather on staten island voted for biden because he was a good man. he was saying, look, this is almost, you know, an existential moment for the country and we've got to view the question in that way, and he's imploring the press to view the question in that way. but, of course, he has real concerns, and they're showing up in polls. they're showing up when you and i talk to real voters around age, inflation, the border. when we look at why the race is so tight, so many races are tight. so many polls feel like it's 47/47 sometimes, jon. there are real issues president biden is grappling with in his campaign right now that are giving donald trump a tailwind and are hanging over the question of who's going to win this election, not only the press donecy. but the house and senate could

flip. it's a very contentious year, which, of course, adds a lot of juice and drama to these dinners. >> big crowds, all these events this weekend. the president's speech came a day after he gave a lengthy interview with howard stern and it happened on friday. in a poignant moment, biden discussed the death of his son beau, who was, of course, the state attorney general for the state of delaware. take a listen. >> look, beau -- my son beau should be sitting here instead of me. he's more capable than i am. i wrote a book called, "promise me, dad." he knew his time was up and we were one night having dipper at our home before he was in the hospital incapacitated. he said, can we talk?

i said, sure. he said, look, promise me, dad, promise me, dad, you'll not leave public life. i know when i go, you'll want to quit. you'll want to quit. he looked at me and said, dad, give me your word, give me your word, look at me. i give my word on the health of my family. he said, promise me, dad, you won't step back, and i made the promise. before he passed away -- i shouldn't -- the last thing he said before he passed away, literally we were in the hospital, we were lying in bed with him, he looks and he said, i'm not scared, dad, it's okay. i'm not scared, it's okay. and he was gone within -- anyway. >> wow. >> so, josh, it's certainly chronicled about the president's deep emotional tragedy there.

let's talk about how this plays into the campaign, not the death but rather the president sat down for this interview with howard stern. there have been a lot of complaints about how few he's done. this brought out his human side. so many of his friends said, look, we want americans to know that part of him more. what's your sense as you talk to campaign and white house officials? are we going to see more of these types of settings? what's the rest of this campaign going to look like? >> they're certainly signaling that they are. they want to go to hosts and platforms that reach people directly, whether it's podcasts, smart lists, for instance, or interviews like this as opposed to they seem really disinterested in say a print interview with a newspaper that's prompted a lot of discussion over the last couple of weeks. biden is not the only world leader to be doing this, jon. they sort of want to be getting their message out directly. there's two sides of this coin.

our leader, if they hear this story one-on-one, good setting, nice big microphone in front of you, the audio's good, that this helps. but the question -- the alternative is when you do live interviews like that, it's, of course, harder for real-time fact-checking, and there's less of a filter or gut check on some of the things that are said to the extent they need to be gut-check. that's the two sides of the coin. absolutely, we're seeing biden do more of these kinds of thing, less of the round tables. we haven't seen him in the briefing room, for your instance, in the white house. this is the strategy they're going with. president trump also does a lot of one-on-one interviews, former president donald trump. whether it's biden, trump, or never world leader, you're more likely to see them in the podcast realm more frequently in the coming months because, a, they want to get in the people's

ears, and, b, it helps them avoid the level of scrutiny they would get. >> good points. we appreciate you starting off the week with us after a busy weekend. >> it was a fun one. still ahead here, what we're learning about a meeting between donald trump and his former 2024 opponent ron desantis. that took place yesterday. plus, the latest on the growing unrest on college campuses across the country amid protests over the war in gaza. those stories and a check on sports and weather when we come right back. sports and weather when we come right back

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welcome back. as tensions continue to mount in the united states over the war in gaza, president biden is looking to reassure israel of america's commitment. they talked about the efforts to secure the remains hostages as

well as israel's looming ground operation in rafah. biden has strenuously voiced his opposition to the plan, and netanyahu has showed no signs of backing away from it. yesterday was the first time they spoke since april 4th. meanwhile back in the united states, former president donald trump and florida governor ron desantis met privately over breakfast if florida yesterday. one source described the meeting as, quote, nice and friendly, a far cry from the insults the two traded during the republican parts contest. the source says desantis plans to help raise money for trump. the meeting took place at their mutual home in florida. the meeting was arranged by a mutual contact who's a real estate chairman of a company. but we're told it was desantis who reached out to, quote, bury

the hatchet. trump has not publicly selected a running mate, and it's unlikely desantis would run, plus they're both from florida and that would make it difficult. it's yet another example of a former foe of donald trump coming back to endorse him. watch to see if nikki haley eventually does the same. meanwhile bill barr was pressed on friday about his support for trump in this year's race. barr has said he will vote for trump despite previously saying that the previous president should be nowhere near the oval office and trump mocking him on social media just last week. here's what barr's told cnn's kaitlan collins friday night. >> what you said recently, which was that, you know, the conduct that was involved with donald trump, you said trying to subvert and prevent the progress, the execution of probably the most important process we have, which is the

peaceful transfer of power after an election. name one thing biden has done that's worse than that. >> his whole administration. >> is worse than subverting traipse fehr of power? >> did he succeed? only because mike pence stood in the way. >> look, i was very loud in saying i thought it was -- the whole episode was shameful and i'm very troubled by it. that's why it's not anness decision, but i then when you have a hobson's choice, you have to pick the lesser of two issues. >> you don't see this as a definition of putting party over country. >> no. >> bill barr continuing to embarrass himself. still ahead, we'll turn to sports. the big three is a big bust. we'll bring you highlights. plus, we'll bring you the reaction from stanley cup

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edwards. oh, edwards, a signature slam. >> anthony edwards, a rising superstar with a huge poster dunk in the fourth quarter, good for two of his 31 second-half points for the minnesota timberwolves. edwards finished with a team hie 40 in the game as the wolves finished off the phoenix suns with a sweep. last night's final, 122-116. minnesota will meet the denver nuggets or the l.a. lakers in the second round of the western playoffs. denver up, 3-1. one wonders what holds for this team, expectations not met there. meanwhile in dallas, the clippers blew a 31-point lead but still did hold off the mavericks. paul george and james harden each scored 33 points for l.a. clippers beat the mavs. that series now tied up, 2-2.

game five wednesday night back in southern california. to the eastern conference now, the indiana pacers pushed what's left of thegy-plagued to the brink of elimination. they combined for 353 points in the game as the pacers used a franchise playoff record 22 three-pointers to beat the bucks, 21-13. they're in trouble. game five tomorrow night in milwaukee. the new york knicks, meanwhile, are also just one win away from the second round. jalen brunson was immense, scoring 47 points in a game, the most ever by a knicks player in the postseason, and the new york knicks beat the 76ers, 97-92. they can punch a win in a game five tomorrow night at msg. turning now to the stanley cup playoffs, artemi panarin

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orange, severe thunderstorm warnings. tornado warnings this morning. so those relentless storms continue today and tomorrow as well we have flood alerts as well because we're looking at heavy rain, heavy downpours. 3 million people impacted. in the green, that's flooding. we could see the chance of a tonight or two. let's talk about the summer-like temperatures. southern philadelphia into the 80s. d.c., 90. the record is 92. we're going to see a lot of records fall as we go throughout the day. another worm day tomorrow, 92 in st. louis. i hope you got out the shorts. it was hot yesterday. >> it was hot. i know temperatures won't stay this way, but it's a nice sneak preview of summer. >> i like it. still ahead on "way too early," we're going to turn to donald trump's hush money trial and the biggest takeaways from david pecker's testimony that wrapped up friday, and we'll

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welcome back to "way too early." it is 5:30 a.m. here on the east coast, 2:30 out west on this monday morning. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for being with us. donald trump's hush money criminal trial will pick back up tomorrow with the court in recess today. on friday former "national enquirer" publisher david pecker wrapped up his own testimony. the defense tried to poke holes

at his krez bltd as a witness, seeking how his tabloid sought to seek profit off the stories they bought. earlier in the week he testified about catch-and-kill agreements linked to trump's 2016 election. but he talked about talks trump set up between the tabloid publisher and two of trump's white house aids, sarah huckabee sanders and hope hicks. we expect to hear from hicks later this week or this trial. the call took place soon after playboy model karen mcdougal took an interview. he spoke about keeping it back saying sanders and hicks both thought that was a good idea. joining us now, msnbc league

analyst danny cevallos. good to see you on the set. let's talk about wrapping up the testimony. the defense tried to break down his credibility as a sleazy tabloid. do you they were successful? >> first, you always challenge a witness's memory. they did that, but with a cooperator, you point to all the deals he has made with prosecutors. in this case, he had immunity deals not only with state prosecutors but federal prosecutors as well. you always explore that as a kind of bias. hey, you're here testifying to please these prosecutors here in the room, aren't you, something to that effect, to just show that he might be inclined to taylor his story in a way that best helps the government and not your client. on the hole, they attacked his kredsability. the most fact-specific thing they hit, he had done this with lot of celebrities for a long

time and really framed this as helping trump as a longtime friend and celebrity and not necessarily the campaign. he said it was to help trump and to help the campaign, so that may be enough to meet their burden or at least the elements that they need to show, not their burden overall. >> also on friday, trump's longtime asus tablet said there was contact information. it was followed by bank executive barry farrell. he said he helped michael cohen set up a bank account for the shell account that cohen used to pay daniels. farrell will take the stand again tomorrow when court resumes. also notable this week, danny, a second hearing on whether trump violated a gag order. that's set for thursday. we'll come to the gag order in a second. briefly or farrell first, when things resume tomorrow, what did you make of friday, and what do

you think we'll hear tomorrow? >> he was the personal banker. this was not the kind of relationship that you and i might have with the bank. he had a very close relationship with michael cohen as kind of a high-value client, and so that is -- that is significant. these are also facts about the underlying loan that michael cohen secured. what really surprised me is how many red flags this set off. there's an entire world that goes on in what they call the back office of the bank, the anti-money laundering unit, suspicious reports. they create a lot of paperworkwork that the customer may not even know about, so i'm really curious what farrell testifies about when he resumes his testimony on tuesday because i want to hear about the red flags that the bank may or may not have ignored. >> briefly on the gag order hearings, what should we expect? >> i expect we'll find -- judge

merchan will find some violation of the gag order, however, all gage orders are constitutionally suspect. they're never an easy call. i understand judge merchan is strugglingful we're going to have a gag order every week on a roll i basis, and that seems to work based on the amount of violations. >> we'll talk with you all week long as long as the trial continues. thanks as always. still ahead, we'll go live to cnbc for an early look at what's driving the markets this morning. plus, the new trouble at boeing that's impacting air travelers. we'll be right back with business. travelers. we'll be right back with business

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some key labor day ta as well as what's driving the markets. >> with stocks slightly higher, a very big business week for the markets. first with the earnings season, it will continue with key companies like mcdonald's, coca-cola, pfizer, amazon, and apple, last week, 80% of the 500 companies beat expectations. we'll have to see whether this trend continues. the fed will give their rate decision on wednesday. they're not expected to change their rate policy, but all eyes will be on the press conference afterward with the fed chair powell. finally on friday we get a glimpse into the strengths of the april market with the nonfarm payroll. >> so the aviation industry is going through a rocky period with boeing troubles spilling over into airline customers.

what's the latest there? >> yes, absolutely. the latest is american airlines have had to cut some of their long haul services for the second half of the year. they will suspend some routes to europe by the end of the summer, including flights between new york, jfk, barcelona, and athens. as a result, the jet delivery delayed from boeing as they're undergoing excess scrutiny and quality checks from u.s. regulators after the united airlines incident in january. it's affecting the industry a cross the board. a few days ago it was united airlines also announcing they were cutting down jet deliveries. and southwest airlines says they'll have to shut operations at some airports also as a result of the delays of the deliveries of jets. >> charlotte read live from london, cnbc, thanks as always. more protesters were

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overnight pro-palestinian protest testers were arrested on the campus of virginia tech. it's not yet known how many were taken into custody. but the video shows police on campus. the protesters refused to comply with orders, leading to a situation that had, quote, the increasing potential to become unsafe. universities across the country saw demonstrations over the weekend. about 275 people were arrested, bringing the total number of arrests to nearly 900 since april 18th, which is when police removed an encampment of protesters at columbia university. those demonstrations are exposing new tensions within the democratic party. the party is look to balance free speech protection and

support for the gazan civilian while also condemning anti-semitism. "the new york times" notes debatess over how to deal with it are fraught with issues. some democrats are downplaying the hard nature of some of these protests. joining us now, professor christna greer. professor greer, we're so glads you could join us to have this important conversation. just give us a sense of what you're seeing there, the mood on college campuses, and the balancing act for these schools who, of course, have to and should support free speech, but at the same time be mindful of whether it's anti-semitism or just violence. >> right, and i mean, jonathan, there's so many different actors

involved in these conversations. they want to promote free speech but teach the difference between free speech and hate speech, which we've seen on campuses. we've seen students inspired and activated by a cause. as a political scientist, i want students to think not just domestically but globally where theyfit into the world. obviously you have donors and alums and parents who are very concerned about what we're seeing. as we're trying to negotiate something that's been going on on many campuses since before october 7th, it's reached a point where it's complicating as you laid out where the democrats stand and where we've been domestically and internationally with some of our fiscal support as well as moral support for various nations. >> let's talk a little more about that, the idea of the split in the democratic party which you just mentioned. how worrisome is this for you for a party that first of all is

barely into an election season, but, secondly, how should -- [ technical difficulty ] >> i think what we're trying to figure out is most people go to the polls based on economic issues. most people start paying attention going to the polls usually in late october, jonathan. we're one of the few select, you and your viewers. they're actually thinking about november 5th well before election date, but the vast majority of americans don't pay attention until two weeks before the election. ant don't forget, a great turnout is only 60% of the voting eleligibility. what we're seeing is they're ties some of this into economic issues. some are saying i don't want my

money, my tax money going oversees to support various forms of genocide or military occupations, and so this is going to be a complex needle that the democrats have to thread because we're trying to get young people involved in politics and a new generation of voters, but many feel affected, and the parts that knows better and should do better isn't necessarily doing so. so what happens? >> one of two things. one, people stay home, or they could vote for a third party, which could have serious effects for the democratic or republican parties in places like michigan or pennsylvania or virginia or north carolina. >> so to be clear, there's no place for anti-semitism and also no place for heavy-handed police tactics. professor greer, give us a sense of the protests and why it's been such a vital force in previous elections as well? >> we have a long history of

college protests and colleges calling in police and national guard unfortunately to, you know -- relatively young people. they're not minors, but young people paid to be on campus. we're trying to cultivate a strong sense of people who are thinking through their passions and intellectual endeavors, and as you said, there's no place for anti-semitism. what a lot of the students are saying is there's no place for anti-muslim hate or, you know, hate against lgbtq-plus communities or people of color or immigrants. they're linking in a lot of the hard conversations we've been having as a nation for decades if not centuries. it seems as though in this election year we're coming to a head. it feels a little like 1968. i know chicago, the democratic

convex of 1968, was one for the history books. i wonder if in 2024, the dnc will look the same. >> really smart ananal sis. there's no play for hate. up ahead, mitch mcconnell is going to support donald trump for a second term. we'll talk about his response and what the kentucky republican had to say about his own influence of the upcoming election. coming up on "morning joe," president biden let the jokes fly at the white house kroblts dinner over the weekend, we'll bring you those highlights and what trump thought of biden's performance. plus, a backlash over killing her own dog. she's standing by her decision, why she said, quote, it with us not a pleasant job but had to be done. and also ahead, new york city mayor eric adams will be a

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welcome back. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell was asked about his support for donald trump this november, then he weighed in on his level of influence within his own party. take a look. >> so you stand by your description of trump as practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of january 6th. and potentially criminally responsible and liable. >> i don't know how many times you're going to ask me the same question. i stand by everything i said on january 6th and february 13th of '21. >> i'm asking you the question because since the past few months have passed and our last conversation, you've endorsed him for re-election. >> you need to get better research. i was asked that question three years ago. if he were the nominee, would i support him. >> you said you'd support whoever the nominee was. >> because the voters of my party across the country have made a decision.

as the republican leader of the senate, obviously, i'm going to support the nominee of our party. what kind of influence, even if i'd chosen to get involved in the presidential election, what kind of influence would i have had? >> you're one of the most powerful republicans. >> i'm the republican leader of the senate. what we do here is try to make law. >> joining us now, msnbc political analyst brendan buck. he was communication strategist and former aide to both house speakers ryan and boehner. let's talk about mitch mcconnell here. as noted, he delivered a fiery attack on trump after january 6th and then pretty quickly said, well, i'll back him if he is the nominee. he's done so, even despite all that's happened to trump, who is currently sitting in criminal trial. what does this say to you about mcconnell, you know, the politician, and also just where the republican party is right now? >> yeah, i think mcconnell was being honest there. i don't know he has a whole lot of sway in the republican party

these days. there has been a big fight, i think, between two factions. the traditional, hawkish foreign policy party that mitch mcconnell defined for so many years and trump, the populist, nativist party. trump has sort of won that argument. mcconnell, on his way out, seems to be conceding that to him. but let's remember, mitch mcconnell, ultimate politician, has really one goal. he just got done his biggest foreign policy win, aid for ukraine. the rest of his time around, the goal is to win back the senate. republicans need one, maybe two seats to win back the senate, and that's his primary mission. if donald trump has a bad night in november, that could have significant impacts on his ability to win back the senate and have his ultimate legacy, which is hopefully, in his mind, winning those seats back. he's going to do whatever it takes. mitch mcconnell has always done whatever it takes to get what he wants. seems a little uncomfortable with it, doesn't seem to be happy in the position, but he realizes he's lost the argument and this is the position he

found himself in. >> politically cynical decision, to be sure. had he whipped votes in the senate to convict trump after the second impeachment, maybe we're in a different place today. but speaking of republicans who once opposed trump, now supporting him, he met with his former governor, former rival, florida governor ron desantis yesterday. this seems sadly inevitable, although it is unclear how much campaigning desantis will actually do for trump. give us your sense here. were you surprised by this? what does it tell you? >> it is a little sad for donald trump, frankly, that he has to pander to ron desantis because his fundraising is so poor and he is wasting so much money. it is a normal reconciliation you see in a campaign. everybody tries to get together and support the nominee and use whatever resources they can. i don't know that ron desantis feels like he owes anything to donald trump. the problem for ron desantis is, if he wants to have any future,

he can't continue to be on the wrong side of trump voters. he got himself there toward the end of that campaign. i imagine ron desantis is going to come around because he wants to be a good team player, but i think it is pretty sad that donald trump needs to make a journey down to desantis and suck up to him a bit at the start of his general election campaign. >> we'll see if nikki haley eventually comes around, as well. noteworthy, republicans still voting for haley in some of the primaries though she suspended her campaign long ago. let's talk about where the '24 campaign stands. a poll showed trump up six. that flies in the face of other recent polling which shows biden with momentum in a really tight race. where do you think things stand? is it, frankly, too early to care about these polls, or is it an important snapshot? what do you think? >> i do think it is too early. what we've seen time and time again, this is going to be an extremely tight race. when we do have little bursts one way or the other, the trends

that take place just in a small state, we should pay attention to all those things. any one state could potentially be the one that turns it. we are an extremely divided country. no one is ever going to have a significant lead, i don't think, for the rest of this campaign. look at all the trouble donald trump found himself in. this should be the moment where joe biden is able to surge, and he's just not. i think that should remind us that joe biden has a lot of problems himself, whether it's what's going on with gaza, the economy, whatever it is. there should be, i think, alarm bells, that this is not a moment where he is able to separate. i think it reinforces, though, that this is going to be tight every single step of the way. every little thing matters. >> we'll see if any new polling that captures more of the time that trump has been sitting in trial changed the race at all. i suspect you're right, this is going to stay close. msnbc political analyst brendan buck, thank you, as well.