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of the unrest. also, secretary of state blinken is in the middle east pressing ahead on a peace deal for gaza. amid new concerns within the israeli government that the international criminal court might issue an arrest warrant for prime minister netanyahu. former president trump sits down with a former gop rival to allegedly bury the hatchet. what came out of the meeting with florida governor desantis? in just a moment. and andrea's interview with sheryl sandberg on a new documentary detailing the poor israeli women experience at the hands of hamas on october 7th. >> most of the victims of the sexual assault are dead. they were killed on october 7th and this documentary and brave people like amid, their brave voices are all we have to remember these victims and make sure this never happens again.

good to be with you. andrea is traveling today with secretary of state blinken in the middle east as he works to calm tensions in the region. meeting with saudi arabia today on normalization with israel, urging netanyahu, who could face a criminal warrant from the icc, to be clearer about how the idf will protect civilians in gaza. and working to convince hamas to accept what he calls israel's quote extraordinarily generous hostage for a cease fire deal. including a sustained period of calm that would spare rafah and more than a million displaced gazans there from an imminent offensive. demands for peace get louder every day, especially here in the united states where pro palestinian protests have spread to dozens of campuses. some of which turned violent

this weekend. more than 200 students were arrested. many jewish students now saying they no longer feel safe. let's start with antonia hilton. she's near columbia university here in new york city where students have two hours to abandon the encampment or face suspension. so, antonia, give us the details of this deadline. >> reporter: hey, katy. there's essentially a standoff happening behind these gates here. administration announced earlier this morning that negotiations while amicable, had essentially fallen apart. the school is still committed to maintaining its relationship with israel and the students are continuing to be part of this encampment. they were upset by this notice, by the 2:00 p.m. deadline, and they're organizing themselves into groups now. a group that's willing to risk arrest, suspension, and the group that may observe, and another group that is willing to

pack up and flee because they want to be part of commencement. this is what the note that came out to the students looked like. they sent delegates into the encampment to hand this out. it reads notice to encampment and among many, many things, it says please promptly gather your belongings and leave the encampment. if you voluntarily leave by 2:00 p.m., identify yourself to a university official and sign the provided form here. then you'll be eligible to complete the semester in good standing. then it spells out if you are not one of those people, you will be looking at a series of possible consequences. back of the form has a signature line here for students and this has angered a number of them. what we expect to see from the students i'm talking to this morning is a core group stay there surrounded by faculty were starting to arrive to put on these bright yellow vests to support kids who are still part of this protest and then to see some other students get packed

up and get out of the way before that 2:00 p.m. deadline arrives. >> sounds like the university wants to protect its commencement. they don't want to go the route of usc and cancel things. >> reporter: absolutely, the president made sure commencement is going forward and she mentioned briefly they could provide an alternate location for students to protest at this time, but they want to have their commencement as planned. over the last several days, every reporter who's gone inside and visited usually around 2:00 p.m. every afternoon, they allow us onsite. you can see they're starting preparations and they have gear and all kinds of tractors and chairs ready to go. then like a split screen, you can see the images of the encampment that you see there. and that has really been the tension that's built up here, but it seems like the administration is fed up. they're done talking to the students about this. they want them out of the way and they want to make sure there is a quieter end to this

semester for everyone. the president really also mentioned that part of the motivation here is this is a community. a group of students. most of whom graduated virtually when they were in high school, their senior year of high school. so that's added another layer of importance. it's meant the administration has heard from concerned parents. they want that symbolism, those photographs, that moment. >> yeah, this is the class of 2020 in high school. the class that didn't have a graduation because of the pandemic. they don't want to have another instance where they're not able to have a graduation. one thing i've been curious about. we've seen these protests across the country at multiple schools. in the scheme of they thinks, in reference and relation to how many students there are at columbus, how big is the protest? >> reporter: it varies day by day, actually. what i understand is that there are hundreds of students involved in the protest but that doesn't mean that any time you walk by the encampment, they're there. they go to class.

sometimes they go home. they have different sports or activities they're a part of then they return. sometimes they're almost switching shifts. who's going to be there at this time and who might come back tomorrow. that kind of thing. but at one point that night when the president initially had a 12:00 a.m. deadline for students and there were helicopters and drones flying overhead and students were nervous, that night, student reporters here with the columbia spectator estimated there were about 1,000 students who were on that lawn either actively part of the protest or observing and in many cases, very concerned about their classmates who they thought were at risk of imminent arrest. that gives you a sense of the fluctuating numbers here. >> antonia, thank you very much. and donald trump's trials, the former president gears up for another week of court after spending his weekend lashing out at his political opponents while also taking some jabs from president biden at the white house correspondents dinner saturday night.

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boston globe co-host of the sisters in law podcast, kimberly atkins store and former florida republican congressman, david jolly. welcome. phil, quite a contrast. the dinner, president biden making fun of donald trump. always standard to make fun of your political rival at these things. donald trump though in florida trying to as we said, bury the hatchet with ron desantis. what was going on there? >> yeah, you know, trump was down in florida with desantis. of course, they had a pretty bitter rivalry down in the primaries until a couple of months ago and trump clearly needs desantis on board as he is about to become the republican nominee at the convention and move forward in the general election. trump wants to win florida and win florida by a big, healthy margin. so he needs desantis on board to help do that, but i think more than that, he's looking for desantis to be a surrogate, a backer of his campaign. somebody who can help you know,

further solidify the republican coalition in a lot of the states where the election in november is going to be decided by a very, very slim margin. >> the campaign was ugly between the two of them. but then again, it was also ugly between donald trump and ted cruz, marco rubio and both those guys speak glowingly of former president trump. what does it mean for florida? >> look, i think phil's exactly right. they both need each other. donald trump goes in in a strong position in the state of florida, but he needs desantis' support. he needs his donor network and desantis needs donald trump. if he has a future in politics, what he learned this presidential race is that you have to have donald trump with you or you can't win. i got another theory. i think desantis is still a dark horse for a vp pick. even though he has said he's not and it would seem odd. desantis is a lame duck governor right now with nowhere to go and the one thing that donald trump

looks at all these vp picks, those who steal the spotlight, desantis doesn't steal the spotlight. he's a very quiet kind of awkward mike pence. he might be just the right fit for donald trump. >> kimberly, you're not allowed to have a president and vp from the state state on the same ticket, right? >> i think all those conventional rules that we used to go by have gone by the wayside. i think and my dog also thinks that definitely ron desantis needs donald trump. this is donald trump's party. whether he's looking for a nod as a vp or he is wanting to get a spot in the next trump administration, this is where he's going right now. and let's not forget that donald trump needs all the money he can get since all of his campaign cash, or a good chunk of it, is going to pay his lawyers with all these trials. so there's a lot of fund raising to be had down in florida. so this is a symbiotic relationship. >> so i know we're talking about

vp and i hate to do this because i don't want to use your happy dog as a segue to this, but there's another story in the news about a possible vp contender and her dog. the governor of north dakota. south dakota, kristi noem, actually choosing to write about a moment where she shot and killed her puppy. >> she said her 14 month old puppy was not easily trained and was acting out and biting and she took the puppy to a gravel pit on her property and shot and killed the dog. it's a pretty remarkable and gruesome tale and i'm sure it will offend dog owners all across america. i found it chilling reading about it. and it seems like one of those third rails in american politics

that you just don't cross. i remember back in 2012 when mitt romney got so much flak for the family anecdote about their dog sheamus that was having diarrhea during a road trip and they put sheamus in a crate on the roof of the car or something like that. anyhow. this is one of those stories that i think will stick with her and haunt her politically for a long time to come. >> that's what's so confusing, david. why would she choose to write about it? was there nobody around her reading drafts saying this shouldn't go in? it's very confusing. first, that weird ad for the cosmetic dentist in texas. and this is just like, this is so far out there. i'm at a loss to figure out who thought this was a good idea. explain, you served in congress. why would she do this? >> this was ten years ago so everybody was a little different in the republican party. she's a pretty steady hand,

accolite of paul ryan. the two senate seats are taken. she wants to be considered for vp but to your point, she didn't have to tell this story. she could have just kept it to herself. as toxic as our politics are, we distrust each other, parties, institutions, the press. dogs still rate pretty high. puppies still have a high favorable rating and she just stepped right in it. the question is though does this actually work for her in the veepstakes in what donald trump does like in somebody is somebody who can punch the media in the face, punch pop culture in the face and take a punch back. i think it's a terrible choice, an unfortunate moment for the governor. more unfortunate for her dog. who knows why she did this. >> very odd. let's talk about donald trump back in the courtroom. he's going to be there tomorrow. legally speaking, how do you see this playing so far? i know it's only been a few days.

>> i think it's troubling. i think it's bringing to the floor donald trump not only what he is alleged to have done with falsifying business records to try to keep quiet what could have been an explosive story during the 2016 election season, but other misdeeds that we know he's been found liable for. whether it's the work at the fraud at the trump organization and the e. jean carroll case. all of that can be brought in as sort of to present his pattern of practice if he chooses to testify, which he promises to do. so it cannot be helpful at this time and he is off the campaign trial. although i'm not sure how much that matters. when he does his rallies, he's playing to the choir. he's basically campaigned on twitter and social media before but i think that split screen can't be helpful to his campaign. >> phil, i know we do a lot of

talking about him not being on the campaign trial but whenever he was on the trail in 2016 and 2020 even, that was a truncated campaign trail, they were national events. they got covered a lot. either first in the mainstream press and then on social media or in the more localized or trump maga press. same thing's happening with these court cases. does the campaign really see it as a loss for him not to be on the trail? >> well, look. he's getting a lot of the attention and in many cases, drowning out the current president biden with his appearances in court in terms of the national news story. the problem for trump though is the narrative is about criminal allegations against him. about criminal indictments about his you know, difficult defense in the court of law in front of a jury of his peers over the hush money payment to an adult film actress to try to quiet her before the 2016 election. like these are not good elements

to be talking about the future of america and framing the way you're going to run for president. so that's the challenge for trump and for his team. but you know, trump has always as you know been of the mind that just being in the spotlight and getting the attention is it a win and so by that standard, you know, this has been a good couple of weeks for him. >> david, they've been leaning in to whatever you know, legal troubles he has. tried to use it to his advantage and now the republican party it seems to be leaning in as well. the arizona republican selected a fake elector, somebody indicted last week as their national committee man for the rnc. does that surprise you? >> it does not. and i think all of this is a net negative for donald trump. i think they're making a big mistake here. donald trump and the republican party's grievance around the traditional trumpist white economic anxiety actually i think still sells in 2024. particularly in this race where there are economic challenges.

not with standing the focus on white nationalism and white rural america. but the grievance around his legal jeopardy does not work the same. if anything, it reminds those voters who might be sympathetic to suburban women voters, if you're talking about a state saying we want to promote election deniers, it's not working. >> david, kimberly, and phil. everybody, thank you very much. under pressure, next. new nbc reports on fears within benjamin netanyahu's inner circle. what the international consider court is considering issues and why against prime minister netanyahu. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. this is l reports" only onsn mbc hello, ghostbusters. it's doug. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold.

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table would see the release of 33 hostages in the first stage of a deal in exchange for a temporary cease fire and the release of palestinian prisoners. now, those hostages would be from the so-called humanitarian category. women, children, the elderly. people with serious medical conditions. the number 33 is down from the previous number of 40 because hamas has indicated it may not have 40 living hostages who fit that criteria. there is a delegation of hamas officials in cairo today speaking to egyptian mediators. an israeli official tells me an israeli team may head to the egyptian capital tomorrow depending on the progress. and secretary of state blinken is in saudi arabia. earlier today, he described the offer on the table as incredibly generous to hamas, urging the militant group to go ahead and to accept it. hamas over the weekend releasing

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donald trump heads back to court tomorrow for another week of testimony. last week, the prosecution opened with a bang calling david pecker to the stand where he faced two days of questioning about the deal he made with donald trump and michael cohen to use the tabloid to help trump's 2016 campaign. he was detailed after the d.a. called donald trump's long time assistant. she was not on the stand for long. followed by bank executive, gary ferraro, who is expected to be back on the stand tomorrow,

testifying to the money cohen wired to daniels ahead of the 2016 election. joining me now, former district attorney in the trial division of the manhattan d.a.'s office. and paul charlton. welcome. jeremy, how's it going if you're the prosecution? >> i think leading with david pecker was absolutely the right move. there's always ways to poke holes. you don't know what's going to happen. we have to hear from cohen. have to hear from hope hicks, stormy daniels. but overall, at least a triple close to rounding that base, but the point being is that david pecker really set that foundation and he's doing what he needs to do to corroborate what is coming, meaning daniels and cohen. >> paul, weigh in on that. >> i think the prosecution here as done a very good job. they had a opening statement and i'm sure jeremy will agree, it was less than one hour and in

age of tiktok and instagram, you can't have long-winded opening statements. even with a case that's complicated and filled with facts. to keep the facts narrow, to give that some 45, 47 minutes, critical. then to follow with the rule of privacy. >> you're saying the jury can't follow that long. we've all been looking at our phones so much that none of us can handle anything that's too long any longer. >> i think that's right. and it shows a great deal of confidence in your facts when you say this is what we're going to prove and you put on one of your best witnesses. mr. pecker did a very good job. the defense hardly laid a glove on him when they attempted to impeach him so i think this is a very good beginning for the prosecution. it's a reflection of the art of good prosecution. >> jeremy, i know you're looking at this with a defense attorney's eye as well. and if you were one of donald trump's attorney, what would you

be homing in on? >> the inconsistencies. there's lies, changes in stories. there's filling gaps. for example, it's not, go back to the home run analogy. i know if it's a single. david pecker, you had a relationship beforehand. you're testifying under penalty of running a foul with the agreement you had with the federal government and state prosecutors. is there a reason here. but they always used those kid gloves if you will on david pecker. but they're in a tight spot because it's really the attacking agenda, attacking the credibility, but that's down the road. haven't done that yet. >> can they try to convince the jury that what this is based on is just something silly? it's a hush money payment to a porn star. the significance of it just matter as much. this is of all the things donald

trump faces, this is the dumbest. which some have argued out there. >> if you're going for the jury nullification angle, you're in a little bit of trouble out of the gate. this is going to be pretty boring and mundane and run of the mill because it's just a business records case. if that's the route, which why are you selectively prosecuting me? maybe more so on a motion to dismiss, but there's more of a nullification issue. >> let's talk about gary fero on the stand last week, on the stand again tomorrow probably. his testimony is about banking records and about michael cohen. what more do you need or should the prosecution be trying to get out of him tomorrow, paul? >> so, remember gary cohen is a convicted purgerer. that's not unusual. >> michael cohen. >> thank you. that's not unusual in the world of prosecution because prosecutors often put up

witnesses who have all sorts of trouble backgrounds including mr. cohen. but what the prosecution's going to need to do during their closing arguments is stand up in front of that jury and say yes, mr. cohen is a convicted purger. yes as i said in the opening statements, he made bad decisions but here are these other witnesses who can point to specific fights that corroborate every single thing mr. cohen said and in that way, they give the jury the necessary reassurance to know that if they find former president trump guilty, they're doing so not just on the word of cohen, but on the facts of other credible witnesses. >> they're going to have a bunch of fact witnesses. is this goeng to be the middle? we're going to see david pecker on the front and cohen on the back end? >> you don't want to end with cohen who's your weakest link. they're trying to keep the reasonable doubt in so they can prove the case.

there's these little holes and the other witnesses are poking there. stormy was not intentional there, but come storming down that water then the levi needs to be kept together. you have hope hicks to corroborate. david pecker. that's what they need to do. >> what did rona graf corroborate? >> she says stormy daniels is in former president trump's role dex. she said i saw daniels, i believe i did, in the office. small facts that are important details that are going to add to the evidence as mr. cohen takes the stand. >> how is the defense team looking at the jury? because this is a criminal case, you only need one juror to disagree and it's a hung jury and it's done. >> so what happens, one hangs then the question would be would they ever really retry this

again. there would be a mistrial. there's something called an alan charge. they don't need to defeat beyond a reasonable doubt. just one individual. obviously looking at these jurors and seeing how they're reacting and they're laying the foundation for their case. but to the point we started with. i think the prosecutors at least a triple in rounding that base home. i think they're doing a very good job. >> thank you very much. coming up next, devastation. the latest from oklahoma after a string of deadly weekend storms ripped through multiple communities. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc pfizer's pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. come on. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older,

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we saw buildings in tatters. piles of bricks. roofs missing. windows blown out. debris all over the place. powerline poles snapped like toothpicks. and it's the scene that we see again and again in the blocks of the historic downtown here in sulphur, oklahoma. remarkably considering what we see in the damage, we're talking about just one person killed in this community, but of course one person killed is too many. we're talking about a total of four people reported dead in the state of oklahoma including a 4-month-old baby. we also know of an additional death, a fifth death in iowa from officials there and we're told that is someone who initially sustained an injury. so it just speaks to the way that this can have a ripple effect beyond the moments of impact. i did ask fire officials, the ems officials here about the state of the injured because

they have numerous people who have injuried. they said here, they don't have anyone at this point still fighting for their life so that would suggest to us that those injured now are not looking at an extremely grave injury, which is some relief. but i can tell you, having spoken with some people in the community here, close to two days since this unfolded, this is still very much an emotional, raw experience for people. the head of the fire incident command here just told us a short time ago that he knows the individual who died here. said he went to school with this person and described her as a hometown girl. so trying to learn more about the people who have lost their lives as there's so much clean up ahead here. it's sunny and hot here right now. we've got a clear forecast today and tomorrow but there is a marginal risk for severe weather again on wednesday. having been in iowa over the weekend where they were dealing with clean up and the possibility of more severe weather, there's concern when you have an incident like that that you have debris on the

ground. nails, glass, bricks, metal, wood. it's still on the ground and you can imagine the concern there could be with that blowing around if you get more severe weather. they said they don't at this point know of any specific donations they need. they've got people trying to volunteer so they're getting help here and they're you know, now looking to rebuild. i can tell you from those images, i'm sure you've seen them, it's going to be a while. >> we showed the map of the tornado activity and what's being looked at in the coming days. that's tornado alley and tornado season usually kicks off in earnest right about now. beginning of may. we're almost there. it could be a difficult few months there. jesse, thank you very much. up next, andrea's interview with sheryl sandberg revealing the violence and rape hamas used on october 7th. ape hamas used on october 7th

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as we mentioned at the top of the hour, andrea is traveling with secretary of state antony blinken in the middle east. before she left she sat down with sheryl sandberg and talked with her about her new documentary. and parts of this conversation, this documentary, will be difficult. watch. >> rape as a weapon of war. most recently by hamas against israeli women during the october

7 attack. and against hostages since. atrocities confirmed by an nbc news investigation. and now the state department in a new report as well as a focus by the united nations thanks to women activists. joining me now is sheryl sandberg founder of lean in and former ceo of meta. and her new documentary screams before violence, former women hostages and survivors in israel returning to their homes for the first time since the mass der. i'll play a clip. let's watch. >> there were ten men around me. my instinct was just to fight. to do what i can. i was really scared that they are going to rape me there and that they are going to drag me through gaza streets and parade my body around. i feared that more than being killed. i was chained for three weeks in

gaza. i was kept in a really dark room without being able to move. his name was mohammad. he untied me. i knew he was up to something. i knew something bad is going to happen. >> tell me more about your conversation with her. >> she is so brave. kidnapped to gaza, you saw the clip of her being kidnapped. she was held. she was chained in a room for weeks. and she was sexually assaulted by her captor and she is telling her story now because there are still hostages there and we know they are being sexually assaulted too. the important thing to remember here is that most of the victims of the sexual assault are dead. they were killed on october 7. and this documentary and brave people, their voices are all we have to remember these victims and make sure this never happens again.

>> last october i saw the idf video that they have not released publicly. and i saw all of the evidence that the women in the kibbutz had been raped, assaulted. they were naked, the positions they were in, it was very clear -- these were dead women. and you have found live testimonies and brought them back to their homes. how difficult was that experience for them? how important was it? >> i think for the released hostages, i went with two back to their home where her husband, her father and daughter were killed in front of them, they were taken to gaza. and agam, she is 18, in this documentary she testifies that half the hostages that she met in captivity, some of whom were still there, were sexually assaulted and were being sexually assaulted. and this amazing man ramy, he is

a hero, a private citizen. on october 7 the sirens go off. he drove to the battleground with the terrorists there, saved hundreds of people. butter went with him to a forest, this huge man is sitting there amongst trees crying and he said on these trees there was woman after woman naked tied to the tree, legs spread, bloody, clearly raped. and he was crying that he didn't get there in time to save them. and i think we are blind in this moment to what happened here. the politics of today are making us not realize that sexual violence is not okay. rape is never resistance. and this is one thing no matter what else you think should happen in the middle east, we can all be united in standing against. >> i've been told credibly that some of the women still being held in gaza are pregnant from these rapes.

how horrifying is that? >> i don't know if -- i don't know that. i do know that woman after woman after woman, and men, were raped, killed, killed and then raped, raped and then killed. brutally -- some of the pictures i'll never be able to unsee. didn't happen to me, but it happened to them. genital mutilation. and it happened over and over and over again at multiple locations. this was systematic, this is rape as a tool of war and it is something that everyone should be firmly against, everyone. >> and we have been covering extensively the horrors respect atrociies against civilians. this does not, you know -- this documentary, your reporting,

does not change that. it doesn't negate any of that. so this is just another aspect of the hideous nature of this war on both side title is "screams before violence." why do you think they have been so silent about these atrocities until you and some other women went to the united nations? >> these with crazy polarized times. and when people are polarized, they have every view and they want every single fact to fit in their narrative. what is happening in gaza is awful. any civilian life lost on any side is too many. none of us should want war. but even if you believe what happened on october 7 is resistance, and i don't, i want to be clear, but even if you believe that, sexual violence is still not okay because rape is never resistance. and people have to be able to see the truth here. and if it doesn't neatly fit into your narrative, that is being on. because things are not so black and white. and i think that we have to

recognize that until just 30 years ago, rape was just considered part of war. it has only been 30 years since yugoslavia, bosnia, the drc, where rape started getting prosecuted as a war crime, as a crime against humanity. so in this moment no matter what else we believe, we have to hold that and not turn a blind eye. because if back slide on rape, women all over the world lose. this is happening ukraine, sudan, ethiopia around the world. we cannot let the politics of today back slide on this critically important point. >> you've said this is the most important work of your life. you've done a lot of work in public service in the corporate world, obviously in i.t. but this is the most important work that you've done. "screams before silence." >> yes, i believe it is. because women's bodies need to be protected. men's bodies need to be

protected. women should not be raped. women should never be genitalized. so i really hope people can watch this documentary because you can hear it for yourself, from first responder, from released hostages. just watch with an open mind so you can see what happens. >> sheryl sandberg, again, the documentary is "screams before silence." thank you. >> thank you. and you can watch the full documentary on youtube, called "screams before silence." and that does it for andrea mitchell reports. remember to follow the show on social media. i'll see you back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern where i will be joined by nancy pelosi. chris jansing reports starts right now.

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