and when is it a lie? this election will be fought over the issue of jobs. it's what people are desperate for in this country. we need ideas. we need solutions. what we don't need is the disappointing answer we got from gop front-runner, willard mitt romney, last night. >> we've got a president in office three years and he does not have a jobs plan yes. i have got one out there already and i'm not even president yet. >> the president doesn't have a jobs plan? of course he does. it's a smart mix of tax breaks, hiring incentives and infrastructure measures. missed that? did ya? did you also miss the nationally televised address he gave to 31 million americans and all those speech he is gave around the country pushing the plan and all the fights in congress about it? okay, maybe you've been busy.

but then how do you explain that you knew about the jobs plan after all? >> president obama's american jobs act, what do you think of it? >> well, his most recent incantation is a bit like his first versions which is a lot of money, a lot of political bluster, very little positive impact on the economy. >> let me get this straight. last night, you said there was no plan. so then what was the plan you were attacking in that clip i just played? willard, you are not being serious. not serious about debating jobs plans, not serious about your tax returns. >> it's not for us to call on someone to release his tax records but it is an established tradition. i think it was a tradition initiated by then-presidential candidate george romney back in 1968. >> yeah, mitt, it's a family tradition. maybe the reason you haven't released those returns is they'd show the outrageously low taxes

you paying. >> what's the effective rate i have been paying? it is probably closer to the 15% rate than anything because my last ten years, i've -- my income comes overwhelmingly from investments made in the past rather than ordinary income or rather the earned annual income. >> 15% tax rate? that's much lower than the 35% rate applied to wages for those in the highest tax bracket. somehow, i don't think we will be hearing things like this any time soon. >> we are asking people like me to pay our fair share and i believe that most americans are willing to do their part. >> as i said, we need a serious conversation about jobs and how we get this country moving again. whether mitt romney will be serious, we don't know yet. joining me now democratic

strategist tad devine, senior adviser for the kerry and gore and many other campaigns and joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. tad, let me start with you. when you faced the fact that romney may be the nominee and he is going to run all the way and many feel he is, when you look at where the american people are on the president's job proposals, 68% support raising taxes on millionaires, 75% support hiring teachers and first responders, 72% infrastructure spending, 60% extension of unemployment, 59% extension, of the payroll tax, on and on, it seems that most of the american people are in step with the policies being proposed

by president obama. politically, won't this help him, tad? >> yes, reverend, it will. i mean, i think the president is on the side of people. i think he has put out an americans job act which speaks directly to the problem that people are facing in their lives today, a real proposal to try to generate real jobs. romney, on the other hand, wants to bring back the policies that almost led this nation into a second great depression. all he is doing is taking the bush policies and saying we need to bring them back into law, we need to take care of the wealthiest, most powerful interests in our own society. i think the debate between president obama and the plans, the real plans that he has set forth in detail in a congressional speech, in speeches across this country, detailed and comprehensive way are going to contrast with what romney is offering, which is the policies that almost led this country off the economic edge just a couple of years ago. >> now, joan, let's just be real candid, because everyone is playing horse races. willard romney is acting as if he doesn't know the president's plan when clearly he criticized

it. is it because he doesn't want to have to deal with the fact that what's saying he knows most americans are not going to support and the meat of what the president is saying does have the support of most americans, including in some areas many republicans, if not the majority? >> right. well, you know, actually, reverend al, i think it's more that mitt romney is used to saying whatever he feels like he needs to say on any given day to get elected and so he woke up yesterday and decided he was going to pretend the president didn't have a tax plan. but it's really not gonna work. you know, the stuff about his own taxes, it was just a few days ago that you and i were talking about this and we speculated that, in fact, he was not so happy about releasing his tax returns because they would show he pays a very, very low rate and it is going to turn out that that's true. we also learned today that he -- >> well, he, himself, we just played the tape -- >> 15%, sure.

>> 15%, which is outrageoutly low. >> and it could be lower. >> family tradition, joan. everyone that runs, when i ran in 2004, you have to make disclosure statements to go for matching money, everyone released t >> absolutely. >> and many of us have had running fights with the irs. you release your tax forms. >> they do no matter what they say you release them. we are onto something, he pays a very low tax rate and he said today he makes about 350,000, 375,000 in speaking fees alone and he said that wasn't that much. you know what, reverend al, that alone puts him in the top 1%, in speaking fees, not that much to mitt romney. >> show you how much that is, joan and tad. he says speaking fees is not that much. then we find from february 2010 to february 2011, he made $374,327 just off speakers'

fees. that's not that much. average $41,592. i'm telling you tad that really got me 'cause he is not even a great speaker. >> ha ha. well -- well, i think it is remarkable, for governor romney's campaign, listen, the guy needs to just shut up, okay? every time he goes out in public and speaks unscripted, this is what happens, the speaking fees today. he also said that he donated all the proceeds of his book and the book proceeds were almost nothing, to charity. turns out the book proceeds were between $100,000 and $1 million, somewhere in that range according to his disclosure statement and whether it's a guy heckling him in iowa when romney stands up and says corporations are people too or whether he challenges governor perry to a $10,000 bet when romney is on his own, in an unscripted circumstance, terrible things happen, he needs to lock himself up and keep his mouth shut. >> joan, how does president

obama run against this guy? at the end of the day, it looks like, particularly if he pulls it out of south carolina, and it looks like he will unless there's some real upset on saturday night. so, why -- i mean, everybody wants to keep playing games, let's deal with the meat of what the american people are looking at. how does the president run against this guy and what is he saying to the american people and what does the president say when it comes to jobs? >> well, i think specifically, he does have a plan, as you laid out, he has gone to congress for the whole plan. he has gone to congress for parts of the plan. he can't get it past, rev rend al, people talk about it and people like it that is kind of an easy one. the other part of this as we have discussed before, mitt romney is mr. 1% and the president himself, he does not come from wealth. he had student loans until just a few years before he became president. he knows what it's like to struggle, he knows what it's like to pinch pennies and this is a man who really does not think that $374,000 is a lot of

money. so, i think that people day in, day out, are going to understand that this president with his wife, with his small children, is really much closer to their own lived experience than mitt romney, mr. 1%. >> now, tad, when you look at the fact that he has run, by his own choice, as a businessman, not running on his record as governor, he wants to run as -- on his experience in the private sector, then he has claimed any number of times that he has created thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, now has gone up to 120,000, but when you look at how he explains it, which debunks his statements is that he is dealing with companies bain invested in and added 120,000 jobs, only count success stories, no layoffs, counts jobs as of today but he left bain in 1999. so he is taking credit for jobs up to '99, after '99 and we are

in 2011, willard, and he is not deducting any of the layoffs. i mean, so he is going to run as a job creator against a president that inherited the worst economy we have seen in generations and still, there were jobs every month made -- that were -- that were created in the private sector that this president can say every month, we created jobs? >> well, you know, i think romney's got a problem and his problem is his record. his record in the private sector is one of self-enrichment and a lot of job loss. sure there has been some success stories but he had very little to do with them. the truth is his business didn't really -- wasn't set up to invest in other businesses. bain capital was set up to do leveraged buyouts where they made their big money. they went in, took over companies, turned them upside down, drained all the money out and left town. i think when the story of that comes out, also his record of the job creation as governor, he doesn't talk about the fact when he was governor, massachusetts was 47th in the nation in job

creation. >> maybe that's why he is not running as governor, tad. joan, does he win saturday in south carolina? >> it looks like it. it really does. newt gingrich had a great night last night with all that race baiting, reverend al, but i don't think it is enough to make up the huge deficit, i think he wins, i think mitt wins. >> i think willard wins. arced i bet you $10,000 but i have to borrow it from willard. thank you for joining me both tonight, both of you and have a good evening. >> thank you. >> good night. coming up, newt gingrich plays ugly at the gop debate. and the crowd couldn't be happier. >> the fact is that more people have been put on food stamps by barack obama than any president in american history. >> our massive fact check ahead. plus, wham mow to wake, the fight against union-busting

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welcome back to politics nation. we have been talking a lot about the ugly racially charged rhetoric playing out in this republican race, but last night, newt gingrich took it to a new level. >> you recently said black americans should demand jobs, not food stamps. you also said poor kids lack a strong work ethic and propose having them work as janitors in their schools. can't you see that this is viewed, at a minimum, as insulting to all americans, but particularly to black americans? [ applause ] >> no. i don't see that. new york city pays their janitors an absurd amount of money because at union. you could take one janitor and hire 30-some kids to work in the school for the price of one janitor and those 30 kids would be a lot less likely to drop out, they would be getting money, which is a good thing if you're poor. only the elites despise earning

money. >> but governor -- >> first of all, newt's comments are littered with bogus information, but did you hear that crowd? republicans cheered for putting children to work and cheered for taking jobs away from adults who need them. then newt took on minorities. >> i got to tell you, my e-mail account, my twitter account, has been inundated with percentage all races who are asking if your comments are not intended to belittle the poor and racial minorities. it sounds as if you're seeking to belittle people. >> well -- [ crowd booing ] >> first of all, juan, the fact is that more people have been put on food stamps by barack obama than any president in american history. [ applause ] now, everything you need to know about the difference between barack obama and the five of us, we actually think work is good.

[ applause ] and we think unconditional efforts by the best food stamp president in american history to maximize depe maximi maximize dependency is bad for this country. >> all kinds of misinformation. after all that, he has the nerve to say he is the guy to help poor people? >> i'm the guy to help people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn someday to own the job. >> he got a standing ovation for that it says a lot about this party, not only are newt's comments disgusting and divisive, they are family wrong and we are not going to let him get away with t joining me now is charles glow, op ed columnist for the "new york times." he wrote about newt gingrich and the art of racial politics today

and alex wagner, host of "now" with alex wagner, here on msnbc at high noon showdown of great ideas. >> i'm going to take that one. >> charles, let's look at some of newt's claims last night. first, he repeatedly called president obama the food stamp president. he said the president wants to maximize dependency on food stamps. you wrote today that -- how this statement is not factually correct. tell us about it. >> first, you take the part about the president being the best food stamp president in american history, right? so what you can say, if he wanted to just be accurate and say there are now more people on food stamps than there ever have been, however, what president obama inherited is a -- both a system that was already growing, so under the bush administration, the food stamp program grew by 63%. seven out of the eight years

that bush was in office, the program grew. only one of those years was a recessionary year. so, he wasn't coming out of recession, he got the recession at the end of his term. obama inherits a recession, inherits a recession that is unlike any recession that we have seen going back to the great depression. you have to remember this is about the food stamp program it is only 50 years old some it doesn't even stretch -- the modern food stamp program, doesn't stretch back to great depression. he says in american history, he is acting like abraham lincoln was giving out food stamps. no abraham lincoln giving out food stamps. we have a situation never happened in 50 years happens now. what's saying, what was this president suppose dodd? let the majority of people who were on food stamps, which are people under 18, children, and people over 60 years old, so you wanted to have -- >> seniors and children? >> you wanted to let them starve. most vulnerable and the people

most dependent on people who had the jobs and lost them. >> right. >> so these are the people you are depending on, your parent or somebody taking the care of an older -- their older parent and now they have lost their job. so now you have to do something to step into this breach and that's what obama has done. so, for him to say that in the way he is saying, he knows he is being facetious. >> he is playing to a stereotype. first of all, the overwhelming majority of people on food stamps, as charles blow said, over 60, under 18, children and seniors, and a majority are white, they are not black. but he is playing into this stereotype, black president, food stamp president, trying to act as though blacks need to get a job and not food stamps, like the majority of blacks are on food stamps, which is not true. isn't this really playing a real racial kind of game in a way we have not seep as blatant?

had the welfare queen strategies, blatant now, the point they booed juan williams. this is not al sharpton but juan williams that got booed. >> and booing a black journalist on an issue affecting not just black americans but white americans, poor people on mlk day is a really telling moment, i think in this republican race. the thing that they are trying to establish is this narrative of the takers versus the makers, the republican party has been doing this over and over again, a bid to reenvision the american social comp pact. basically, if you can't make it in this society, too bad, we are cutting you loose. the idea that somehow you are a bad person for being on food stamps, plenty of people on food stamps actually work or are part-time employed that is not a narrative ever explored, some house, president obama should be vilified for the fact there is an economic almost depression in this country and more people are in need, that's why there are more people on food stamps, 46, 47 million americans on food stamps and you're going to go out there and make that a cross

to bear? i don't understand how that a winning strategy. >> charles, he also did something very shrewd, he took a shot, two for one. because not only are we going to talk about the food stamps, i tell you do, put your children to work and take one of these union jobs because we don't need janitors making money, eliminate unions, put children to work, kill child labor laws, how do you like me now? >> see, here is is another point that has been missed since he first made that statement, which is that children already work. right? there are already laws in place to allow children to work. they are set up so they don't allow children to be exploited. so, 14 get working papers, just make sure you don't work too many hours, do your homework in a safe environment that is the first thing. second thing, if you are poor, i have been poor, you are working all the time. you are cutting grass. you're babysitting, you're doing everything you can do to get an extra nickel because being poor

is, in itself, a job. >> now, when you look at the facts, alex, and let show where you he talks about minorities needing to get jobs, he was on "cbs this morning" talking about the need for minorities to get jobs. >> the point was made in your comments about that it's betterer for black americans to seek a job than to seek food stamps, suspect that simply true for all americans who are desperately looking for jobs? it is true for all americans. it's true for native americans it is true for asian-americans, latino-americans true for white americans and true for black americans, the original statement, however, was in the context of saying i would love to be invited by the naacp to come to their convention. we have had 43% black teenage unemployment that is a disaster. >> he is a disaster. >> what does he say there?

>> first that is not true. he said that he would want to go to make sure that black people demanded jobs and not be satisfied with food stamps. satisfaction. what you have to do -- >> part of his far this rat at this time. >> pick apart what he is saying. tough pick apart what he is saying, the satisfaction factor, no one is working in your community. you are happy. president obama wants to maximize dependency. these little catchphrases really do mean something. these are not -- >> these are dog whistles about you guys are just -- it is part of the welfare, a continuation of the welfare. >> i have got to go one thing i think everyone must know, not one of his opponents disagreed with him, interrupted and said that's wrong or unfair, not one. if mitt romney is the nominee, he stood by, silence is consent, willard. charles blow, alex wagner, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. coming up, not great scot, the people of wisconsin showed

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nation." i hear something. do you hear that america? >> recall walker. recall walker. >> recall walker. recall walker. i also hear this. you know what that sound is. that's the sound of pushback. almost a year ago, the people of wisconsin vowed to fight against scott walker's war on workers. they marched together, they protested together. and they notice never, never gave up. today is a defining moment for progressives across america. the walker recall petitions, all 3300 pounds, were deliver today and the wisconsin democratic party reporting a whopping 1 emptier million signatures, 1

million, to recall scott walker, almost number the number they needed to move forward with the recall election. that's cause for celebration. think about that now. 1 million people for recall. it is all a massive outpouring and thank scott walker for setting ablaze all across this country, from wisconsin, spread to ohio, where november voters shut down governor kasich's anti-union bill. >> it's clear that the people have spoken and you know, my view is when people speak in a campaign like this and a referendum you have to listen when you're a public servant. >> in florida, governor rick scott's war on the poor was met with strong opposition and governor scott's 38% approval makes him one of the nation's least popular governors. and in michigan governor snidary

he is threatening to democracy puts him in emergency management and removes elected officials and busts unions. yesterday, over 1,000 people protested outside the governor's residence, but that's progressive waves starting a year ago back in wisconsin. where the wave first began and progressives celebrate today but don't celebrate too much because tomorrow, the real fight begins. joining me now is milwaukee mayor tom barry. he ran against walker in the governor's race. mayor barry, great to have you here on a big night like this. was there ever any doubt in your mind this day would come? >> reverend sharpton, first, let me thank you for allowing me to appear with you, it is great to be on your show. the grassroots have shown this

nation what this is all about and once scott walker made the statement a year ago he was going to, these are his words, drop the bomb, that's what set the stage for this entire year because using a military phrase like that and the oncoming disaster that resulted because of that and i think one of two things are going to happen, completely obliterate your opposition, try dog politically or they would fight for their lives and fight like they have never fought before and that is exactly what we have seen in the last year here in wisconsin. 30,000 people out there. >> he said he was going to drop the bomb. let me show you what he says today in response to the filing of the petitions for recall. he say, i look forward to talking to the people of wisconsin about my continued promises to control government spending, balance the budget and hold the line on taxes. i expect wisconsin voters will stand with me and keep moving wisconsin forward.

he didn't have too much military language in his statement today. >> i think he realized what happened. this is one of the most extraordinary days in the history of wisconsin politics, now setting up a classic, classic bat, he was in new york, been to texas, been to washington, d.c., pouring in dollars, out of state dollars, special interest dollars and he has frankly shattered records there. you have had two records shattered, the record that was shattered today, the most recall signatures in this state's history and probably in this station's history up against the largest fund-raising month we have ever seen in the history of the state as well this is the classic battle. millions and millions of dollars versus millions of sig match daughters this come from in-state grassroots people, you are right when you say the real battle begins tomorrow because he has so much money, it's unbelievable how much money he has, but i think those people who are his strongest supporter, they have to be surprised. i don't think there were a lot of people on his side who thought we would get the 540,000

signatures much less 640, 740, 840, 940, 1 million signatures. >> no, they didn't. >> that is extraordinary. >> didn't see it coming. >> he has raised some money, koch brothers' money is there tonight, in fact, he is here in new york, $2,500 per person fund raiser hosted by hank greenberg, former ceo of aig. he is not in wisconsin, he is up here raising money. i think it is interesting whip you look at the facts he has raised since july, 5.1 million from july to december defending himself. i think the question of millions of dollars against a million sig match xhurs a question of we going to see who really runs democracy, who really runs the way people are influenced about their own self-interest in wisconsin.

>> i think this is something the nation will be watching, he is running on a national agenda, national dollars coming from outside the state of wisconsin that are fueling his effort. the other side, literally hundredsf thousand of signatures, from residents of this state. the question from this state is will the future of this state be controlled by people who live here, who vote here or will it be controlled by outside dollars that are trying to set a national agenda, what i'm hearing over and over again, people say we want our wisconsin back this is not our wisconsin. this is an ideological national movement on the other side that tries go from state to state disrupting what had been good policies throughout this country. >> i understand the policy, the ideology and the movement, clearly wedded to the same ideas but give me your political gut,

you are a mare, you runs, you know wisconsin politics what does your gut tell you, will he be recalled? >> i think that there is a very good chance that he will be recalled, that the election will be successful, i think a lot is going to depend on what happens with the legal challenges, clearly, they have set a force of trying to gum this up as long as they can through the legal system and then complained about the cost. on the one happened, trying to make it more expensive and then complain about the cost. what i call on the governor's allies to do is let drop these legal battles, with 1 million signatures it is clear that the threshold, the 25% threshold, has been met. >> let's go -- >> let's get out to the election. >> let me ask you this, you ran against him. and he promised when you ran against him, 250,000 jobs, he has only created 4500. he only beat you by 5%. would you run against him? >> reverend sharpton, right now, i'm running for re-election as mayor what i'm concentrating on.

today a day to celebrate but not just celebrate, prepare for the future so, there's going to be plenty of time. i guarantee you there will be a strong, if not more than one strong democratic candidate for this office. right now, i don't think the time to speculate hot candidate should be. with he have to set our focus and sights on making sure that we withstand any legal challenges to these signatures, they are going to try to color the state's perception of what has been an extraordinary historic effort in this state. all right. mayor tom barrett, thanks for your time. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. ahead, the conservative smear machine tries to prove voter fraud but fails miserably. we will dutalk to man they thout was dead. and president obama is taking on those birthers in a way you've never seen before. i promise you this will make you laugh. stay with us. wake up!

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one convicted case of voter fraud in the last decade, the only way to show there might be voter fraud was to commit voter fraud themselves. they traveled to more than a dozen polling places, fraudulently collecting ballot, using the names and as dresses pulled from recent owe pitch wear and looks like they may have broken federal and state law in the process by fraudulently obtaining ballots and using a recording device without concesent from all parties. so why did they do this? because after a year of radical voter suppression laws, 25 new flaws 14 states, we are starting to fight back and that means republicans need some new juice to feel their attack on voter rights. but this time, o'keefe, who is already on probation for breaking the law during another

attempted takedown, may have really messed up. turns out, one of the ballots his buddy picked up belong to someone who is very much alive. joining me now is that very alive resident, robert bliere and david schultz, law professor from hamlin university, thanks to both of you for joining us and for your time. >> thank you for having me on, reverend. >> thank you. >> bobby, how did you find out you were involved in this story? tvlgts is a funny story, my brother, tim, watching tv, all the coverage going on in our state about the sun posed voter fraud, it came across one of the clips of keith's people going in there and approaching the poll and person kind of gets out the information of my middle name, street address and then sense

the ballot before finally saying, you know, i need to get my identification card and hand it is back, but he had obtain it had through that means and then my brother showed me the video, which was ridiculous when i first saw it and then we looked into it and the unedited vers that they had posted it is actually my first name, my middle name, my last name, my street address and everything and we said we couldn't sit on this, this is ludicrous and so we reached out to try to get it out there that they didn't get dead people. they got a live, living person and i'm standing right here. >> so when they gave your name your middle name, your address, all accurate, thinking they were proving voter fraud on how dead people vote, you are here to say that your name, your address and you're very much alive and they possibly have a live person to complain about disenfranchising you?

>> well, i see what they are trying to and do scare people into feeling like i.d.s at the polls are needed which is not -- if you watch the video, they didn't have full information. they kind of got it out of the lady. the lady kind of accidentally slips a little bit, you know, maybe she needs to get a little bit of training, not to release information like that. i just think it is ridiculous they are claiming snag is absolutely not true. >> so you do not agree with the voter i.d. concept they are saying, saying maybe some of the election workers need to be a little more cautious but you do not agree with their aim to prove that there is widespread fraud there for example the voter i.d. laws necessary? >> exactly. i am fully against i.d.'ing at the polls, i think there needs to be better training put in process, she shouldn't ever give out information, they maybe need to step back and i see that's on -- in a booklet, why is haven't we upgraded to computers before thinking of stepping

toward the i.d. laws, need to put better training in place to make sure incidents like this don't occur. >> well, hold on one minute, robert. let me ask you, professor, were laws broken here? >> it looks like they were. there is both a federal and a state law that make it illegal to attempt or to actually try to impersonate somebody or to cast a fraudulent vote. it clearly looks like they crossed the line in terms of getting false information and in terms of trying to falsely vote and if those videos are accurate, there is both federal law and state law that they violated. >> so professor, let me get this right, they, in fact, from your view of the tape, may have committed nine frauds to try to prove that the one fraud that was somehow convicted was a widespread problem in new hampshire? >> that is exactly the case.

let me sort of underscore something else also. i have done the research, i have calculated the numbers on this one. is there a greater probability of you being struck by lightning than incidentness of voter fraud in the united states chafrging the outcome of the election this is pretty much a fraud in terms of the argument and no widespread voter fraud in the united states. >> now, professor, the secretary of state hillary clinton in new hampshire says that 50 to 75,000 people voters don't have voter i.d. in new hampshire. if you take 50 to 75,000 voters and prevent them from voting because of one conviction in ten years, seems to be a political agenda to this. it clearly does if we look at the people that don't have those i.d.s, they are going to be young people, our grand mass and our grandparents, they are going to be students who have recently moved, they are going to be

immigrant those are legal in the united states. if you look at it the photo i.d. requirement aims at going after a certain demographic in many cases people think are voting democrat and therefore, we clearly see a pattern out there of trying to target to suppress individuals. i argued at one point in the article saying this is the coming of the second great disenfranchisement in the united states, an effort to keep people from voting. >> we are going to fight it with all we have. thank you, professor shenlt. bobby two things, i'm glad you're alive and i'm glad you came forward to stand up for what's right in america. >> thank you. >> best of luck. ahead, president obama like you've never seen him before. some how the birthers and betty white are involved. you need to see this one. that's next.

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ever since president obama took office, people have pushed the ridiculous story that he wasn't born in the united states. of course we all remember the president addressing the ridiculous issue at that infamous press conference back in april. >> we do not have time for this kind of silliness. we got better stuff to do. i have egot better stuff do >> but even after that, some people weren't convinced and can you believe this? one poll shows 23% of republicans still weren't convinced even after he released the birth certificate. since some people are so unwilling to listen to reason, the president handles this the way any great politician would, with humor. here's what he did last night in a special message to actress betty white for her 90th birthday. >> dear betty, you look so

fantastic and full of energy, i can't believe you're 90 years old. in fact, i don't believe it. that's why i'm writing to ask if you will be following produce a copy of your long-form birth certificate. [ laughter ] thanks and happy birthday, no matter how old you are. ♪ thank you for being a friend ♪ travel down the road and back again ♪ ♪ your heart is true, you're a pal and a confidant ♪ ♪ and if you threw a party, invited everyone you knew ♪ >> birthers, birther he is, you're done, by the way, betty white, happy birthday. what's that, matt? why didn't i wish her happy birthday with the two great americans? i haven't seen her birth certificate yet. i don't know she's american. thanks for watching. i'm al