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tv   Documentary Decolonization of the Mind 2  PRESSTV  February 24, 2024 11:32am-12:01pm IRST

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nos paramos le llamamos si es zona segura permitimos. in all the years since the revolution in 1979 iran has been limited, sanctioned and under pressure. as a result, much like russia under putin, iran has pushed towards self-sufficiency and has prioritized technological developments. we are: period
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where iranian military technology is becoming serious force in the world and that you know didn't happen overnight, as of this museum, one of the key things you see is the the lack of technology at the beginning of the war, the poor equipment of many of the soldiers, and as the war goes on you see the development of the tech. "the sanctions caused the development, i mean it's just like with russia, the the idea that we could a year ago sanction russia and that that would lead to the collapse of the russian economy, a coup against putin and the dissolution of the russian federation, that was clearly a monstrous miscalculation on behalf of nato, but of course it's a monstrous miscalculation because russia is now a country which is self-sufficient in most things and the sanctions..." are the mother of invention, of
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development of it of the economy, but also of military technology, and and when you have to develop rise in the world stage in a way which it is probably probably nobody expected outside iran two or three years ago, we have people in iran, especially among the elites, the wealthy, the upper middle class, the middle class that as the united states is strangling us they will say russia is the enemy, as the united states is cutting our throats, they'll say china is the enemy, because they'll mimic what they are, you know, what is, what, the dominant narrative in the west says, isn't there a farcy word for this, ahmad, he wrote a small book, which... influence me a lot and i sometimes
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in my classes teach al ahmad, not in all my classes, but in sometimes do teachers work, but that i think is is is is true about the elites in europe, that they are so bound to the united states that many of them are willing sacrifice, mean the foreign minister of germany for example, i think she once said that it doesn't matter what the pop the popular opinion is we have. to you, we're going to support ukraine, but if i give the promise to people in ukraine, we stand with you as long as you need us, then i want to deliver, no matter what my german voters think, but i want to deliver to the people of ukraine, why? because the united states, i mean the green party, you would imagine would be the most anti-war party in on the political spectrum, and... was once upon a
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time was, but uh, but it is now the most pro- war party, so i think it's similar to what we have in iran, in iran we have people who have this... 'you as they're being strangled they'll say, ah, the other guy is the enemy, and i think that among elites in europe and the united states is the same, because we're all trained to understand the world in a certain way, in iran, for example, if you go right across the university of tehran to the, right across the main campus, if you go to any of the book shops, all all of the books that we study and..." well almost all of them, and or our translations of english text, many of them, so our understanding of humanity, our understanding about ourselves, our understanding about our own religion, our own history, is deeply impacted by western
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narratives, so it sounds crazy, especially if to see germany being destroyed the way it is, but they'll go down with the ship apparently. i was very pleased to see professor. and they have followed his work for some time, i've been in touch with him, as you can see from the discussion there, and he, he's serious public intellectual, which uh, people in the west do know about, but he's not, he doesn't have nearly the reputation that he should have as a result of the way in which - knowledge works in in the west, that uh, the people with the best knowledge on the people who necessarily get the best hearing in the west, so it was very good to meet him in person and to hear some of his thoughts, over the decades, anti-iranian movements have changed in strategies and solutions, nowadays they are more complex and directed by intelligence agencies in the uk, us and israel amongst others. the strategies are implemented both inside and outside iran.
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what has interested you with regard to iran? well, mean the things i talked about today were about um the role of western intelligence agencies uh started off with the uh the execution of the eledged british spy uh where his confession had apparently included the mentioned that he that there was some he had been involved in some discussion with his handlers about the iranian. nuclear scientist who was then assassinated, it's it was thought by mossard, so which suggests, if it's true we don't know uh, that mi6 were involved in some way in the assassination, wouldn't be surprising, i mean they regularly
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collaborate with mosad, even at the same time as so the cia as even at the same time as mosad is actually spying on them and running opps against them, and that that's a kind of interesting. think we've kind of come across in the program, so there's there's that, and then there's the way in which uh mi6 runs a whole load of um, what should we call them, assets, cutouts, ngos, media operations, many many more than people in the uk anyhow realize or recognize, and the effect of that is can be quite dramatic in terms of public and official conceptions of what a problem is the cyber. attack, the terror attack, the sabotage attacks, they happened by musad, because the cia network in iran has been dismantled admittedly, of course, three times in the past 13 to 15 years, especially in the last 13 years, now i remember quite well that
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us media where blaming cia last year that they have left all their infements in here. in iran without any kind of protection or assistance, they have left them all together. it's one of the things interesting to me is that we see in the last 15 years, maybe even less than that, new strategy from america, from the cia, which it seems to be seems to be called a small media strategy whereby the cia pumps money. into front groups, into small citizen journalism startups, to small websites into media defense and media freedom and free speech uh organizations, the purpose of which is to subvert the islamic republic
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of iran, and many of these organizations happen to be based in london, and the question is how this works, well in history. times, the cia used to send money directly to organisations like the very famous congress for cultural freedom that phase of american. version came to an end when the congress for cultural freedom was exposed as a cia front, and today they have this new small media strategy where the money doesn't come direct from the cia, it comes indirectly, and first of all, it comes through the national endowment for democracy, an organization which even its head has described as the new way for the cia to pass money to its assets and other countries. because it's more of camouflage for their activities, and this the
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ned funds many of these organizations that are active in iran, but it also sends money, the americans also send money through sympathetic european governments, especially scandinavian governments and they send money through sympathetic foundations, foundations which were used by the cia back in the 1960s in the us like the smith richardson foundation. but also it seems through foundations in the uk which are now involved in funding organizations as part of this small media strategy and indeed there's even an organization in london called the small media foundation and essentially this is a way of the cia passing money through intermediaries to get to its assets which are are including which are in the uk many of them are in the uk and small media for example has funded a whole range of organizations, so they arrange everything,
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their strategists uh work on this formula, they do the coordinations, they do the soft part like the media, the cognitive warfare, media warfare, but the hard parts are done by the musan, and there has been a tit for that according to the israelis again, like iran's top nuclear scientist, dr. fakh when he was... assassinated five six months later the us media, mean the israeli media, times of israel said that in um uh the city of acre which has been very very peaceful, some suddenly hundreds of youth took out to the streets, started uh protesting like the things that are happening here, then they moved towards the hotel, they went upstairs, they found the father of israel's aerospace program, abbihar even or avihar even, they
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killed him with 100 staps or something like that, and then they came down and set fire on the entire hotel, they were forced to acknowledge that because at first they were saying that he people were asking where is abihar even, and they said, okay, um, the guy has had accident, he's in a coma for three four months, but later when some videos surface. in youtube showing that the hotel is uh on fire and some other things, they were forced to acknowledge and and that they were they were complaining, mean times of israel um was complaining, why did we kill if in such theatrical ways, why? this is you know they could have killed them just with one single bullet, but they've given 100 steps, what they didn't know is that when your net'... says that we are going to kill iran with this kind of strategy, 1,000 staps, 1,00
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scars, okay, these are 100 level, you will receive 900 more later, well i mean look, what's happening is is just it's like palestine, there will be a continual process of hibrid warfare, until or unless uh it can be forced to stop, and the only sign i can see that it's can be forced to stop is uh is the tectonic place of multippolarity, mean you know the what's happened in the last year, disaster of the sanctions against russia, the this what what should we call this, the the stepping up of uh the chinese on the world stage, the expansion of the bricks, the shanghai development organization, the the alliance or the raprochement with uh with the saudis and just the other day, these are all movements which have will have serious diliterious effect on
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the ability of the us to wage hybrid warfare, and we're also seeing aren't we, economic changes, which might limit the freedom of action which سرخط خبرها در روز یادبود کشته شدگان، تهران صحنه درگیری های پراکنده پلیس با معتردان بود. چهلمین سالگرد ندا آقا. سلطان برگزار شد بر اساس گزارش ها اعتراض های پراکنده در ایران به جهش ناگهانی قیمت بنزین ادامه یافته شماره کشته شدگان ناآرامی هایی که از روز جمعه شروع شد افزایش پیدا کرده مقام ها
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forces - the remains so the bbc person service is funded directly by the foreign office, i mean i think maybe what's interesting is to say that it was the british who wanted to organize a coup here, but they couldn't get the cia on board, they realized they needed the cia, british power was waining, and it was only when they got the cia on board that the coup was launched, as i said in my talk the other day, he was launched by announcement, on the bbc persian service at midnight where they changed the wording they usually had and the that was a signal for the coup to start, so the bbc was directly involved in the coup, but then we have a period now where the israelis have been trying to encourage attack on iran for
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many years and of course they have been directly attacking around doing assassinations, sponsoring kurdish proxies ' and many other things, but they have number of think tanks in the us, which are effectively israeli state assets, who have been trying to encourage uh attack on iran, and but the cia is not ready for that, uh, so they've got an organization called the united against nuclear iran, which is a former director of mossad its board, and which works closely with iranian opposition figures, for example my alinajad who works directly for the us, so there's a there is a... an anti-iran lobby, the israelis wanted to go further and faster, the americans are are directors of the of the uh, the campaign against iran, and they have stopped so short so far of of a direct invasion, because they calculate, i would guess that they wouldn't get very far, and so we we see a period now
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where with the rise of multipolarity, with the... catastrophic decision of nato to attack russia uh in the ukraine conflict uh and the rise in the status of iran as a as power in the world we see that that uh the game is foot, we don't know what's going to happen, it doesn't look likely that a director attack on iran can now come, but they will certainly do everything they can to try and constrain around the sanctions, the meddling with the currency, the the use of... bullying of other nations so they don't trade with iran, all these are mechanisms to try and defeat the iranian people. it's true because um the world power is shifting from the west to the east adminiently uh and what we are experiencing uh, i believe is decade of uh the us let west resistance and
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opposition, strong opposition against this transition of power. to the east, so that's why we are seeing tumultis era in you know in with regard to russia, china, iran, um, it's happening actually, all i believe it's orchestrated by the us hegemonic group, us let west, yeah, especially the three european states, friends, uk, as well as germany, especially the united states, so they are not going to let it happen so easily, no, they are resistant again. "i believe they will eventually push china into some kind of war with taiwan, although although the chinese are so much conservatives, they're going to lose that water aren't they? i mean you will hop, skip and jump into taiwan, yeah, the they could do that easily, and uh, not the same thing that happened to ukraine is happening to taiwan, i mean, they leave you other choice, if you don't take action,
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you're a loser, if you take actions, you go into war, you're loser, so that that's what the americans have been doing, starting proxy." for everywhere and this approach with saudi arabia is important so much because of exactly the same thing with regard to iran, when it comes to a coalition of the us, the israeli uh saudi alliance and front against iran, the saudies apparently have realized that the us cannot do more for them, they they have left the afghan government, they'd already left and they when they reoriented towards russia several months ago and now iran, i mean that's a... catastrophic side for the us, isn't it? so i what i see is decade of for tumult and and wars and change of coalitions and and groups. bs the the record of victories in the last decades, they faild in afghanistan, they fail in syria, they won in syria and in libya, but where
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else have they had success, i mean really virtually nowhere else, it's not, it's not going well for them, they didn't even win in venezuela, and i believe before anyone else, these are the european people nations that will pay the price, that's right, it's a direct attack from you. but it's of much regret, and they are already, yeah, they are already paying that rising cost of being, yeah, that's recretable, and as soon as the europeans realize that they're being attacked by the americans, they're ally and do something about it, then this the better the whole world will be, and do you see any chance that the the eu would fall down and would collapse? i don't think it's impossible, i think we're a long way from it, but i don't think it's impossible. "i mean things are changing so fast, yeah, i mean, some you you st there waiting for it to change, you and you think it can go faster and and it doesn't go faster, but then all of
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sudden something happens, you're like, well, we've moved much faster than i thought, you know, so it's a, it doesn't come in a smooth way, the world is changing fast, all that has seemed frozen for a generation begins to melt, common sense political opinions are swept away, maybe we will be shocked and amazed by coming events." but it seems to me that iran with its 30 years of civilization is beginning to play a globally significant role, beating back subversion and violence directed from abroad. so this is uh my last night in tehan, i've been here i think four nights now, and uh, we're stuck in traffic again, it's no rules in a couple of days, that's really new year, and everyone's out buying stuff to prepare for that, so the traffic's even worse. normal, i suppose that you know one of the things i've learned since i've been here is the variety of ways in
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which the iranian society operates the different parts of tiran, the different elements in the society, the western influences, the uh islamic influences, cultural influences from the past, all mixed up together here in in you know kind of uh extraordinary milan. in teran and i suppose what the thing i also learned is uh about some differences between iran and the uk which i don't if i appreciated before in particular seen the way in which uh commemorations are organized here are very different from in the uk the way in which the police operate appears to be very different from in the uk. um the way in which um there are public displays of the history and the
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politics of this country, so for example of the 1953 coup of the 1979 revolution all over the place, the portraits of haj casim sulamani uh all around tehran and the commemoration of his assassination by the americans and as we saw... about the british embassy, potentially also british involvement in in that, and those displays that one sees of the politics of displays are very, very different to the displays that you see in the uk. there's nothing like the kind of the expression of a revolutionary approach to life that there is here, and that's instructive uh, and you see that in the the different ways in which people react and respond, of course here, there are... have actually different views on things, we've seen that in many many occasions as we've gone through the city and uh for example, and
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it's uh, it's really salutary to be reminded that uh, a small country like iran, it's not small in terms of population, but small in terms of how it's seen in the western world uh, which is clearly in the geopolitics of today becoming... "a country which has much higher status in the world, as geopolitics changes, as we move towards multippolarity, iran becomes a country which not only is an important part of the move to multipolarity, but which has its own significant contribution to make to multipolarity. all of these are signs that that iran is starting to play a role in the world, which it simply didn't do 30 years ago. i'm very much looking forward to coming back here." on another occasion, i hope that people who watch this documentary can see some of the lessons that i've learned as i've been here and maybe start to understand a bit more from outside.
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and what iran is like in reality, a complex contradictory place, yes, but nothing like what is uh shown in the western media, nothing at all like what is shown in the western media, and indeed, nothing at all like the perspectives on it by the western left, continue to see iran as a backward place, ridden with religion, and not not a place which has any role to play progressive forces in the world, which i think is mistaken. and and factually incorrect position given everything i've seen here in the last few days, so uh, our arch people who can to come and visit around, because you'll see it's uh, it's not what they think. st. louis ferguson. assassinations, they don't
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have nothing, they can't lose nothing, and i think the most dangerous person in the world, the person don't have nothing to look. black americans looking for justice. if this is a war, then we're going to have to deal with it with the strategies that people in war use. i saw his, i saw um, the never ending story, i really would like to meet him later, he seems like such an important figure in the history of iran, what would i do if i wanted
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to meet him later? than happy to give me their view, everyone in iran has an opinion.