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memorializes the victims of the nine eleven terror attacks its effects continue to claim lives hundreds of emergency workers have since died of illnesses related to their rescue efforts at ground zero. and in russia over the republic of north of pays its last respects to the seventeen killed by thursday's terrorist blasted a busy market more than one hundred sixty were also injured in the attack by a suicide bomber. fireworks show crowded celebrations of the millennial anniversary of the city of the which is also hosted the global policy forum a platform for talks on the future of democracy and security. and thousands take to the streets of berlin and across europe protesting against excessive camera surveillance they claim governments and businesses intrude on their privacy rather than protect them. up next on the eve of the fall of the iron curtain a festival of traveling theatres born in moscow helped open

a new era in relations between east and west the man in charge of it today john kilbey is our guest in the interview show spotlight coming your way after a short break here on r t. wealthy british style it's time to explain the free. market why not scandals. find out what's really happening to the global economy in these kinds of reports on our. hello again welcome to spotlight to enter the show on our take i'm al green of in

today my guest in the studio is john kilbey. the festival of traveling theatres told me of a kind of on two thousand and ten was born in moscow more than twenty years ago at that time the festival like the new era in relations between east and west on the eve of the fall of the outskirts but what are the challenges today to us in this question our guest in the studio is the manager of the festival john kelly. the press to both strolling theaters near caravan two thousand and ten is the comeback of the band that be formed across europe after the fall of the berlin wall that its aim was to help build bridges between the recent cold war rivals and the time has shown they've been successful john kilbey has been with the company during their first performance as in nine hundred eighty nine now he's become the tour manager and takes them to countries from germany to russia crossing many borders borders that's what he's fighting.

john welcome to the cheryl thank you thank you very much for being with us it's a pleasure having you here as of the after all these years i'm as a matter of fact they first of all was boring. eighty nine and why did you decide to repeat the event this year after all these all these years all these events you like just this down joke well if it was me i would say because i'm nostalgic times of perestroika is the same with you. over there's obviously you're a throwback to twenty years ago but really had to regroup feeling of independent artists twenty years later to maybe look at the changes that have happened in the last twenty years to be in the present did they did they manage to do to maintain their independence in their ideas to stay independent they were. just to describe a little bit what marilyn one thousand nine hundred nine was it was started in one

thousand nine hundred seven and the talks between the pollution who was the director of little day in leningrad who invited who wanted to put together a mere caravan the caravan of peace in russia and he sent out invitations to. many groups in western europe to be part of the caravan mir in russia i was with a group called foods man travelling theatre at the time and i wasn't so interested in just coming to russia to perform so when i met with i suggested that maybe we should bring me a caravan starting in moscow of finishing and in western europe when we finished in paris to larry and it developed from there so what happened was we had four groups from the east to lead today. which was a music group whose chief was. not. was my go to any other

theater of the day from poland who were exiled. for out in italy and divide what was an opera last call from prague along with a company from france per your throne spain and. nuclear from for a in italy and we put together this tour starting in the park of the red army in moscow and traveling from moscow to leningrad leningrad to pass over to prague west berlin. copenhagen. and we finished in paris is going to five minutes late you mentioned those cities which most of them are capitals this year certainly must be no more capital you prefer smaller towns this time not this one this time in fact the more started in britain or when we should join the euro not a not

a capital frankfurt which is not going to happen after only i don't see on capital of theatre but not look out of the country so now you're moscow. times have changed times have changed when we were putting together the store the idea was that we would start in paris go to berlin and come to moscow but the political situation is such and not least is the economic situation because when we started this tour. with i have to say thank you to the european union because we got money from the european union from an institutional building partnership program here in moscow. was exactly the time of the credit crunch so when we were talking with potential partners in paris and berlin everybody hold on there's no money you know well this is the wrong time

so we're really caught up in an economic call for ticks many people are caught up in still today. but and so we were looking for alternatives and the alternatives actually came from the groups and cells bruno's were developed was an upper lascaux come from frankfurt. undergone theatre and so on ok now this certainly problems twenty years ago and there surely are problems now because you are sort of a person who likes to create problems if he doesn't find the problem many way so can you tell me what were the problems at the time of perestroika despite their history and what are the main problems now are there similar problems for the. kind of similar problems but that's a whole reflection which i. would prefer to talk about after we finish. this one never knows twenty years ago it was under the soviet

system and somewhere it was a lot easier because you know what the system is today it's very much. less clear what the system is we find in one thousand nine hundred nine the bureaucracy was. one system state now we find the bureaucracy is just as. present in fact on the present but within a system which is. up to this. ok now listen well you were sharing within this festival delta word was always very political and one of your best friends was mr muslim and i have a quote from mr howell who said when me in a caravan stopped in prague at the beginning of july nineteen eighty nine it was

like a rehearsal for the velvet revolution would you agree that your caravan somehow precipitate a dramatic change in the autumn of media absolutely i would say that as an independent independent fear to rot is two and we were one hundred eighty six people living together for five months twenty six nationalities with all the different languages and barriers that the language barrier throws up to have a modernized whole. moving first of all was quite extraordinary and i went to berlin before the before we started the tour i went to his poland to talk with the the people responsible for culture and he spoke them because i had an idea that maybe we could because we made a. collective creation called the odyssey from home all the groups one hundred fifty

artists and technicians involved in one book four months. and i wanted this odyssey to begin in east berlin and to finish in west berlin which was a dream and of course i got to get through east berlin and i mean to all was still there were still there we'll get to east berlin and talking with the people responsible for culture and i think. it's a very good idea but we don't have any theaters available in july so what we don't need theaters we have there deterrents and we play out so i don't. we don't have any hotel rooms. but we don't need hotel rooms we have kind of and so and then i realized that there's no way that east berlin was going to cross the wall but when we did the tour and we ended with we took the stress of the

seventeenth of june. in west which is up against the brandenburg gate. and we did the odyssey there finishing symbolically before the brandenburger tour do you do you still do you still communicate with mr. will you meet mr gorbachev here in moscow. like do you really need the supports after the titian to keep going is it just inspirational maybe some some other kind of support of some sort of satisfaction when you when you do get the support of someone like x. principle and novel we've seen recently that his his group or one of one of his. plays is being performed by a divider who's on our progress go who were with us twenty years ago so how do we still in the titles. he's the one of the patrons of the tour we also have

support from. the minister for foreign affairs in france and recently we had a letter a very positive letter from mr lavrov the russian foreign minister of russia what we're going to leave the the godfather of perestroika i did not tell him no no i have no i never met him i did meet him in one thousand nine hundred ninety. at the time we were all in and i had contacts. with the eduard shevardnadze. foreign minister the former foreign foreign minister who promised for just twenty rocket carriers to take on that or as like as mobile stages as mobile stages for in fact it was for. space bridges this is an extraordinary man russian man called joseph golden i don't know if you heard of him but he was the first man to do a space bridge from san francisco to the center of moscow i did nineteen i.

was a very as a producer. and i was one of the journal this is a right. well anyway we're talking to john kilbey one of the founders and director of all of new kind of ran a festival of traveling periods spotlight will be back shortly right all through break we'll continue this interview in less than a minute so stay with us then go. fast

. welcome back to spotlight just a reminder that today we're talking to john kilbey he's the he's the one of the founders and director of media caravan a festival of traveling theatre is that after twenty years is back in moscow meticulously you mentioned that that actually you are on a festival you caravan proceeded the fall down fall of the berlin wall now a couple weeks after you you moved out from berlin. the walk

a wall collapsed but another another serious thing maybe even more serious is that your journey across europe back and back in nineteen eighty nine was followed by series of velvet revolutions and clued in the one headed by havel well is there any kind of revolution he would like to bring about today this time that you know that you remember that you're making a remake of this thing of the servant or anything anything that you are really driving at where they were didn't set out to create a revolution twenty years ago we happened to be in time with history where they were in time with history this time. two thousand and eleven time will. put you on the rights of borders but i see. which become very bored of the economic for the software to go.

geographical on still the same i mean east and west and things like that or or how are they changing or moving somehow these borders how do you see it as an artiste. well i just i just drove from numb your to moscow. and the borders the border has moved whereas twenty years ago the border with the east. it was east germany and then you're going to poland you know we had the iron curtain that we had that was the border yeah. you know on the border. yeah to russia really well we can through the border. i think partly because of you two hundred drugs. so you follow you know little coming here we're going out as we were coming in. but the border the

bureaucracy that we've found a good border. i really don't understand why common os which i think russia actually needs. is blocked by so much bureaucracy when i realize that some people smuggle you know. whatever smuggle new products which are which is very see this is by the one of the reasons when the russians when even the russian president says let's let's get away with the visas to europe they say well we'll be glad to do that but they but the drug traffic from afghanistan through russia to europe and this is this is a very big number that you're talking borders north south as well because the drugs are coming from from africa they come across from south america to africa. i mean the drugs truck situation is horrific worldwide as you mentioned you mentioned here

too as you probably know bone met president medvedev and there would be well i don't even i don't know if he came here tonight he met the person who was always a rat family the president is a rock fan he met bono they talked to extend bono is very active socially politically he's not even like a star you becoming a political figure do you think that artists should be so much socially engaged doesn't that there's the distract them. from from what they're supposed to do do you believe that it's only when you're questioned about it because when you're travelling theatre you're actually and that's one of the reasons why i'm involved in this movement hundreds of movement of physical movement is because with the traveling theatre you meet your public every night it's not a question of being bono on stage for a hundred thousand people who he will never get to talk to he'll get to talk to the

president but i never got to talk to somebody and we stopped in a village called story is brisk north of ostroff fantastic direct contact with with the public interest base in russia and a little bit yeah i speak some. but which are very useful in small places like little villages about burton i say are. more on the power of art now in a report by spotlights to me that. the power of god is definitely stronger than the power of nature despite weather being quite cold muscovites left their warm homes and came here to coleman square park to see performances by trouble from across europe. muttering in the wind actors dressed like butterflies are all part of a project to one thousand young actors from different russian cities it's been

masterminded by japanese choreographer shusaku to q he believes people from different nations can understand each other better through art but now all of them are people have. seen about how jungle feature. and. while shusaku concentrated on future they chant feeder group came up with a flash back into the past the main character of their political satire was we write in former president what's love that. well he's also a strong in the power of art when travel and feel used to make it easy go he called their performances every post for the transmission today festival director. says your favorite kind of theater is one which trace to transform reality. you can is not on an artistic event the project is also of social and political importance here we have people of the planet who gathered to show that we can leave

and create together it's not only the actors who get to feel you have unity that open you lose the boundaries between business and the audience along in the past was an opportunity to become part of the show. if i if i understand right what you just said is that an artist should do his work should do his are american black but he should be aware of the political and the so show reaction out camera well whatever that can be caused by what he does is that true i think it's inherent in the profession. but like talking politics starting to get to become a political figure a social figure is not exactly right or is it. sometimes whatever you posed a question you have to answer and you have to answer. it in a responsible way and that's what i hope i'm doing right now but i'm not going to

stand no not to stand for what i mean we can we can all it can we can live we can have the right like extreme examples like ronald reagan was a bad actor and become a pretty good president you can probably tertian but but he just continued being an actor he was he was naturally more so is that a way i guess it depends on the individual you know. the individual the some people i mean to. an actor not an actor but to be an actor you have to have an ego you know you must want to be seen and to be applauded by a public you don't want to be a bad actor you want to be a good actor you are quoted by russian press and here is one of the quotes. like him john kilbey as he says continues could to question the boundaries and ideologies and also to emphasize the need for dialogue and intercultural

corporation in europe in the twenty first century and quote. so what do you see as the major obstacle to unity let's say on the european continent is there is there anybody around war today the bureaucracy there are perceived as pure aware of not only in this country in any control in europe in the european bureaucracy like i have to. render target target number one brussels. no moscow on what the suppose there's certainly room for change because. the artists need to create and to create you need money and you need time and you need support now to get the to arrive internal bureaucracy to get your money and we don't there's always thing you could never you never get the money where you don't need so much bureaucracy because the money which is used for creation is

eaten by by bureaucracy on sorry but yes the number of people who are checking all the time on what you do with the money costs a fortune it costs a fortune in time and effort and there are so many people involved in making sure that you're not corrupt. but there's nothing left but the artist. the conundrum so so so you would you would call the. modern bureaucracy the new the new berlin wall. that divides people there has to be a certain amount of your of course the of course but the police there is the basically on one going to come from i know you and i don't know what you mean. in some in some developments in some in some neighborhoods they they make it a law that the fence around your place shouldn't be higher than their like like like

a meter you know when it's this way it keeps the dogs out but it but it's two meters it's two are the same with bureaucracy i mean when there is you need some bureaucracy but when it's too much of a bureaucracy it becomes a berlin wall is that what you mean kind of whether it's a not exactly i think it's a. simple. what i would defend is the the artists right to create without without. too many restrictions i was about to say that i come from an anarchist background and anneke is for me in the purest sense is the responsibility of the individual and i consider that we lose track of the individual and we don't allow for the individual to be responsible. coming through russia this time

traveling through villages i see a problem an ecological problem and it's an ecological disaster i stopped in a camping car outside a good garren. i drive at night i stop in a place which wasn't possible twenty what it was but it was less likely twenty years ago when i stop in a place and it looks beautiful little nice little village and there's a little late wake up in the morning the place is covered in plastic bottles and crap it's just awful which means that the individuals that are throwing this are not responsible they don't consider but people like me might come by and go. now so there's an educational problem as well i mean there are many borders what i was talking about the in the. in this is the psychological and.