the russian ellin peons in south korea and most importantly after to discuss that i'm now joined by the chant russia says to pull jump gold medalist at the ninety nine to five world indoor championship in barcelona. chan it's great to talk to you thank you very much for your time. first of all let's talk about the latest developments there international paralympic committee said it was maintaining its suspension of the russian paralympic committee to make the final decision on whether the russians can compete against twenty winter games in january vote i think it's called this little paralympic athletes are in a tough situation. from russia is can spot why do you think that just shouldn't they be treated in the same way since one top human the world anti-doping agency reports started the whole thing where do these differences in conclusions and policies come from. agree the treatment is very different as you remember our paralympic athletes were banned from the rio games which is very strange because

team russia competed in the olympics well but without the track and field athletes you see for some reason or paralympic athletes have to deal with very harsh requirements and that's all i can parrot dance and other sports when the russians were banned or stripped of their medals those that the it goes without saying that it is simply inhumane these people have already suffered enough because of their life circumstances and now they have to face even more trials with the sanctions that it is but that it was. at the post it is just inhumane clearly people who do such things have no god in their hearts i have no explanation for this but my guess is that they are threatened by russian athletes especially in track and field and in winter sports as well the russian paralympic athletes are in a higher category they have more experience and they deliver better results than paralympic teams from other countries. in so there is probably pressure on the international paralympic can. because the russians simply win too many medals more

than in the regular olympic not in one basket maybe that's the reason it wasn't a yes you know i've heard comments from foreign paralympic care to view this but in a piece of any on the old south they don't even understand the current guidelines because of course have to be disabilities who are on some kind of pretty much including the ones that they used to treat their condition let's put it this way in the mckinney cine would you save there are clear criteria for what is considered to fit almost in advancing a drugstore you realize what's allowed and who is allowed to take thousands of what was used there any kind of clarity or great pick you up with no there is no clarity there has never been any clarity on the issue and there will be no clarity but that was the space a you know for everybody who watches our program wants to they can find the list of performance enhancing drugs online with

a war and it will drive them crazy at national but they're courting to the slowest is that every living person should be disqualified forever they sue nothing is a lot all your regular medical drugs are on the list from nasal draw they will get you several months of disqualification kidneys to die radix to a risk medications etc the fact that it's a huge list that has over twenty thousand drugs on it as it is that salute lee impossible to figure it out no athlete knows it by heart in spite of course there are team doctors who take care of it and try to make sure that there are no violations. at the sit in about the situation is getting worse every year. because if you're familiar with the issue to be sure you know that pharmaceutical drugs may have the same active ingredient they should be just thirty million different brand names. you know all these drugs being added to the list. of most insidious assumes that basically people can take anything right. yes it is

impossible to figure it out so benign as lists are stuck you knew that because they're not allowed to take any medications actual performance enhancers secret stimulants and out of all of steroids make up just a tiny fraction of this list that there are only a few items that nobody ever uses anymore and that it doesn't need them when you when you put their plate then you're all these doping scandals are actually around regular pharmaceutical drugs and i mean the such as for example. something we are keeping out of. but i know. i'm not really an athlete it's you know what i like jogging in the winter as well and you might i don't understand how a person can work out without taking something to boost their immune system rather supplements but you are a very experienced test for major achievement and such and if you think it is possible to train really hard for the olympics we've been taking any pharmaceutical drugs you take you from what i'm fifty three of. the thing is no

normal person including me can live without medications but there are some pharmaceutical drugs that i have to be on constantly for various health issues it's the same for other people and you can you do that and in professional sports it is impossible to survive without medication because athletes work extremely hard often overdo it if they get injured they also get sick with the flu and common code. you must have been just like everybody else is just in the. quite obviously it is impossible not to take anything else in addition he was not there are certain examples for the time when the thoughts are not competing that even that's in the if a person assess it at home or somewhere else you say no i think when there is no competition going on that means they have to write down everything they are taking at the moment so it's all still to treat a certain sickness or injury or something else will. but during competitions it is

best of the effort doesn't take anything at all should you say let's see any painkillers any had a drugs even a coffee can get them in trouble that will get as. like for example we had a situation when track and field outlets were disqualified after drinking a single cup the stronger tellem coffee that because because of their another train szell enough catherine is not allowed it is on the list as well so the situation is critical and it is getting on healthy and something needs to be done about it no doubt sexually the most difficult thing to figure out what should be done at the problem faces all countries at any of the states much as you've shared your opinion in the russian media. before the international olympic committee ruling was a public debate in our country about the status russian their three kids should take what i know about if they were not allowed to compete on to the russian flag

and you believe that as additional was to bite you in the end they did what you recommended actually and you say no matter what because he asked leave to go to the early my ex. story. many disagreed with you more such as don't know why do you think they held a different tell you what you know truth like our athletes have pressed from all sides not just internationally but also at home. they don't always get support here why you community dog of a prodigious rides. also thank you post it well yes after i voiced my opinion that many people expressed their support by specially those who know this issue very well. but there were others whose reaction was extremely negative evil willis called me horrible me and i don't understand why i deserve this i was just trying to explain the situation using my own experience i have been there i competed on this. flag that i listen to my country and i didn't get to go to the one nine

hundred eighty four olympics so i know how it feels well and i understand the situation very well mr chan sorry to interrupt because if that's not all over viewers who are trashing t.v. right so let's watch a clip from that of progress where you voice your opinion before the international olympic committee ruling committee at that. it is easy to be a patriot someone else's expense sitting on the couch and yelling about the flag we have one big problem in our country we value symbols too much but yes they are important here and i am someone who's been there the state flag was raised the anthem was played in my honor and i had goose bumps but in two years nothing has been done to make sure that the slack can be raised that the olympics so it is complicated that's true we're not thinking about the people but we should in our country we don't think about the people and then this particular case the athletes

right now on this program we are failing them all together and i can only imagine how they're watching us right now thinking am i a traitor what's going to happen to me now do you understand and i don't think that they are traitors to traders or those who did nothing in the past two years to make sure the team russia goes to the olympics with its flag and sent them you know i'd like to thank you for that statement and it's very encouraging for our athletes and fans to hear the using words norm i think this is more than your point of view as an athlete i think it is also your position as a citizen of russia about what you spoke about before as the choice between the flag and the individual action a tragic choice that is all too familiar to the russian people but this time the choice was made in favor of hour after night sort of negus actually highest level of the russian authorities at decision was taken to support our athletes wish to come indeed under a neutral slackly of when do you consider to be in a sense in mind a victory for a country with

a maybe in terms of overcoming itself and its past the next day i was in fact extremely happy to hear the president say that the government would not be announcing any sort of barriers and what not be impeding the participation of the athletes and that the state would support them as much as possible and that no one would be saying that these athletes are sponsors an ill will lot as they trained at the expense of other. rely on other support to go to the olympics when you hear first and foremost they will represent not only themselves and i will be making a strong case for that and there are a lot of people who should also be given credit is that if i received a great many comments in social media regarding the money that should have been given to doctors and teachers and all these athletes and here's what i want to say what is it really the case that a coach is not a different kind of she turns even the already and say yes godless a folk you patient will of course always know our own ass knew exactly so many people work with every athlete in this situation doesn't mean that now we should throw them all in the trash the effort is just a front because in any case this is not how you treat your team members so was glad

to know that we're going to the olympics after all and that our athletes will receive the necessary support and you know why one reason is that some people say they want to put us down and this is why we should not be going there as a matter of principle not that i agree that we should be acting out of principle but in a different the opposite way that's the so they want to humiliate us so that we won't go and i as in that with a true fighting spirit you think we must go in spite of it out of principle paints a new one thousand just to annoy them. yell and they've given it to me i mean you still brings me a question i wanted to ask you about that i see that going to one way or another russia will have to work with the world anti-doping agency out of them so the russians leadership including the president says that we intend to go to gainsay hoping that the public we acknowledge we have some issues even though it's not always entirely clear when we should be shooting we have indeed to acknowledge that but with this is something the government could be more transparent about i didn't

i didn't it's kind of the stumbling blocks right you know whether russia except defining. joking edge in some reports and of their league ation that russia had a state sponsored doping assisted architect we should there see through the russian situation we've been told the potential ramifications for russia swards if then the countries refutation then did. still standing by what stance should we take share of what i see is that a visual. coverdell somebody buys you. from a national youth our position is clear there has never been and there can never be any state sponsored doping system and russia as for the specific cases of b.d.s. they are no different from regular criminal activities like corruption that you encounter in every other area of human life and there have always been people who break the law and we have to oppose them rush acknowledges this and we have done a lot over the last two years but unlike the i.o.c. and others the walling won't get done and not a single official has lost his office seen it true but if you look at the attitudes

towards doping among the athletes themselves that they have changed dramatically and a lot has been done us by the way this is something that the has of other national teams ought to do this well because they themselves have had a huge number of doping scandals and anti-doping rule violations but i'll say it again there has never been and never will be any state sponsored doping system in russia and our government is right in denying the statues ation this is exactly why we have to go to the olympics because we have been falsely accused you follow a paralympic athletes remain banned from the early weeks this year and next year but i just because russia refuses to accept the findings of the report do you think that it would be unfair to them if this thing is as of now and i'll speak about the paralympic team in a moment refused to accept the findings of the report and the part that pertains to high performance sports and becoming a limpid games but if we look at the i.o.c. report and all of the accusations and demands within it and we have to stick with

it they would say that it says that once russia meets all the requirements of its our athletes will be able to stand on that the russian flag at the closing ceremony and we will be able to completely restore status and iraq to be its yes that's the international olympic committee yes they i.o.c. it's different when it comes to paralympic. so to conclude my point about the i. see we have to win back our right to bear the flag since the government has been unable to do anything over the last two years it is up to the athletes rushy and once we restore our rights we will be able to participate in the twenty twenty tokyo olympics under our own flag starting from the opening ceremony but now as for the paralympic athletes but i think this is another challenge to overcome to be frank i have a problem with the way our government has been dealing with the issue of the maybe some of the officials in the in the president are not receiving complete and honest reports on the matter the truth is there's a lot we can do by invoking the lympics charter and all other sports related documents in order to resolve the problem through legal means but two years have

passed and nothing has been done nothing is being done still there still is a thirst so many ways to go forward and restore the status quo we can go so far as to sue all those organizations but only us for the paralympic athletes we must fight for their rights in fact it was two years ago that we should have started doing something with putting aside the problems facing the current paralympic team that i hope they won't be too angry with me now for good as i was then that we had to stand our ground but nothing was done to let our athletes were forgotten and dismissed and everybody expected the problem to magically vanish the show and now we're back at the start with no guarantee that our efforts will be able to compete as we need to have the highest authority in our country to stand up for a fellow athletes to pick a person was nice. well we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments statement. to

. join me every thursday on the alex i'm unsure and i'll be speaking to us of the world of politics school business i'm show business i'll see you the. if the if. from. the from from. welcome back to worlds apart but that channel russia's triple jump gold medalist at

the ninety ninety five world indoor championships open no doubt the. national team's only i also have to put some effort into cleaning up the sport so to speak because it's no secret that some national teams have a fairly large number of athletes with chronic conditions sent to describe each scheme is a believer and while preparing for the scene to view i looked at some days certainly with the can't according to the university of professor john dickinson seventy percent of british swimmers and sixty percent of skiers of have asked by have it because if we take britain as a whole only twelve per cent of the population have asthma so it's like either asthma patients have an amazing aptitude for olympic sports or olympic sports course that which i think we can agree isn't great but which to sink is more likely there's just cheating in lies of course still officially get the green light to use

the banned substances that are on the list because it's just a sham and it's unfair to those people who are not allowed to take the. sat it's just so we all understand even you both who don't do star sports of swimming and skiing a little doing sports you can't cause as rents no of course not tons of people in other national teams including the russian team don't have as much they are doing just fine they win medals they ski and shoot and there's nothing wrong with their health by the way they were cases one cold there did lead to several of our athletes experiencing asthma like symptoms in national call i did to fix that back then it was back in the soviet days or rather the transitional period from the u.s.s.r. to russia to our skiing and biathlon officials try to. apply to the international federation for therapeutic use exemptions that athletes from norway and finland have for example that's because if someone uses drugs that open up their ways on the lungs why can't other teams do it to a brats and is not a i mean if they can use this drug so why can't we do it what do you know what the

answer was if they have a condition they shouldn't do sports it's a sport here's what i'd like to know why didn't they refuse new region and finish athletes so they can continue to do sport and the rest should just quit or join the paralympic movement simply astonishing i'm not even talking about american gymnast and swimmers we know all about that. because i was just going to ask you about another condition that's why it's trad among western massachusetts of advice and tension deficit hyperactivity disorder or a dea agent i started to the united states and from my own experience i know that it's easy to do get diagnosed with it before exams many students just fake the symptoms and go to his drug addicted significantly improves your concentration and productivity but it's possible as nobody of them should add it's all legal because the diagnostic of true she's very different seemed to be so what can you do about it because the vision is because you can't just contact the u.s.

department of health and tell them they're not being very responsible about how they diagnose these conditions little got most is there anything you can do to experience them or not if you need to the problem in the woods is a paycheck well that's another interesting is surely a lot more so with that we could probably apply for therapeutic use exemption for those assets who have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder you know well we all sort of have at certain times but if anyone from other national teams including russia actually tries to do that they'll be shot down immediately in the wooded that's why no one asks the all no they won't be allowed does it i can't understand why it's allowed there if a person suffers from such a serious condition then. they consider it a serious one of they prescribe such strong drugs but i remember the american gymnast yes simone biles yes i'm on dial she said i have a serious condition so i have to take it well if it's so serious which the

paralympics orts there are no restrictions there there are paralympians with prophetic body parts to run and jump and so one of her till i was just going to say marcus ram a german athlete who like you competes in the long jump events discovered but it was denied permission to participate in the real lympics. and he ruled that he is perceived as shit that regarded him with an advantage over there are other athletes but that's even though he job special eight meters and forty centimeters look wow that's impressive but that which is comparable to the top results in the world yes absolutely i want to clear up yes it's sure one thing in your opinion but it's some national teams that get preferential treatment or individuals the kit the ins you do i think a court the bipod does want to make up a lot in the bush a little bit yes i think some national teams are more equal than others the fact that the u.s. team get special treatment became crystal clear to me at the two thousand and eight

beijing olympics when all the swimming finals were scheduled for the morning for swimming that's just absurd the ball i talked to many swimmers and they couldn't understand how it was possible the reason was that the american media was going to broadcast this events life at prime time in the evening u.s. time you could go to watch so while swimming finals were rescheduled to take place on the morning that bluebottle signalled at the you look well that could be just about money not about getting good results. but it's all connected money sports politics we can't separate sports and politics for a long time they've been going hand in hand maybe even intertwined to the extent where you can't tell which is which and what dominates it's a disaster it completely changes how athletes train. and we don't understand what's going on most american outlets have these weird therapeutic use exemptions for some reason that well other people don't and yet there were many cases of americans getting caught duping which we all know about take track and field for example that

over the last few years a number of american track and field athletes were disqualified for using banned substances and not just some athletes international stars shouldn't they apologize and repent as well as made there were cases of athletes don't think and maybe even the state sponsored doping program but i know everybody decided to think on russia something smells fishy. you know they had to have the u.s. sentai adopting agency spoke about which by the way since twenty fifteen gets funding not all new direction from the white house bill it also from the pentagon what plus it's curious isn't it that the pentagon is so committed to tackling the doping problem and this information is open and freely available to us and go fresh that so they had if the united states anti-doping agency believes that when russia raises these questions about you do you can use exemptions and so on is just an attempt to distribute people from russia's throws aggression and i think that when

they raise these questions it's not a diversion. but again you know or. how does it work that you ok let's say we're doing it to distract people but then so are you so let's stop distracting people in separate olympians from paralympians installed with these weird turbulent years exemptions we've all heard about serena williams she takes hormones but i think. well that information was leaked by hackers such a glove on the hand of the u.s. anti-doping agency adopted it's a violation of privacy of course there are political and geopolitical aspects involved here as well and you know it to me the entire world is probably following the developments in the situation and russia world anti-doping agency the u.s. and canadian representatives at world. anti-doping agency and each country has its own history and when it comes to still being right and fighting to save the cup which they do seeing these countries are rigid to work with them i mean and they

feel it's high time to cease to negotiate some clear and understandable rules that everyone would follow only with sanctions for violations introduced without political bias. so that athletes clearly understand would be as yes they go to court and they will be partners to medical orderly but also. that. it's been a long time coming since the one nine hundred ninety s. well actually everything was more or less fine back when we also had representatives of all those organizations but as i said in the ninety's we're so busy with nation building that we put sports on the back burner and we were no longer represented there but today to put it simply if we sit down at this table today with a couple more people and start making decisions well listen to everyone present and then i'm sure you'll agree we'll make a decision that doesn't have any negative impact on anyone sitting at the table

those who were in there with you know that if well that's their problem. we might make a decision that would somehow infringe on their rights but so what they were in there but our decision definitely one hurt anyone who was at the table this is very important you spoke about finally docked in new rules it has to be done and it has to be done at the negotiating table is that enough but it's vital that our country is there i feel that bridge that with because now i just want to go to a few weeks ago we had the head of the canadian anti-doping center on the show and he said in the last of the few years he would not in the nineteen ninety is the true simply what russia has not traced the issue of fewer puti if you use exemptions. there's a recession you put it so it's not only the athletes who are left unprotected in some ways but for me on the show it seems that the russian delegation hasn't told us been editing or taking a thought in decision making at the international level the canadian official is

absolutely right that this is where our sports officials simply fail to do their job and it's just not a blunder i think it's more like intentional damage from what the posting of those things are sports bureaucrats for playing against us in their national sport is to get people who fail to do that who didn't do that have to be punished and very severely they just failed to do their job and they didn't deserve the money that they got for doing it that's the truth of it all of the yeah but i wouldn't fuku sixth lucidly on punishment just living cells or it's officials should we need to start doing that or should start making the same demands on themselves as they do of the athletes and that will be fair of course of course was a cartoon they want to wrestle it's to win and estimate the number of medals but well why don't you just go had and score some points to the last well unfortunately we have to leave it there i really really appreciate your time and tell me you were displeased keep the conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to see

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