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the hello and welcome to this week's africa. now show. i'm policy and i'm with our team in the canyon coastal city of mombasa. this week we explore the wives of terrorism and extremism in africa. and for this reason we've chosen kenya this east african country has seen some of the worst terror attacks in recent history. most of the attacks are carried out by the hour chabad militant group and its supporters who cross over from somalia to the east. oh, with that, what happened with that? what happened with that caught up with

2 of the worst her attacks in we some kenya history, where with the westgate shopping center and the 2 city hotel complex in the capital, nairobi, we will refuse permission to take our cameras inside by the strict security protocols in place in the country that we did manage to bring you the following reports been more where you were one of the more than a 150 people injured during the waste skate shopping center attack. the september marks 10 years since 67 people were killed. we will you when that attack happened. thank you so very much or so for having me on this program this morning. ern, as i told him, my mom has been wonder or strategy governor consultants and based in narrow

b. and for me, september 21st 2013 was a saturday like any other. i remember being a saturday, you know, you don't have a very tight program. i was to meet up a friend of mine actually at 10 o'clock. unfortunately, he's had a problem with this form, so he used a friend's phone to call me and informed me that he would be getting. i formed the repair shop for the repair center just right next to westgate. i'm not sure whether that's the case still today, and we made our way through the traffic and i was of the security barrier were just driving an intentional to drive to the rooftop where there were a couple of restaurants for lunch. and while on the security barrier at that point is when we had one very loud band, much later came to get the i think it's one of the grenades. they threw into the cafe, which was located on the ground floor. and after the loud bang,

it was followed by gunshots. and we were the 3 of us, the car, and we debated amongst ourselves. and our thinking was perhaps it's just a robbery, or maybe police trying to, to, to get to some tags or something. one of the security guards i remember was also hiding right next to me. in fact, we're just separated by a small trump of flowers. and it's, as i was trying to take cover because where it was that was sutton, a bullet could not find me from the road. that's when i saw 2 men walk into them moment that there were 2 gates to drive in. and that is the 2 lanes to drive in and 2 lanes drive out. and that one, i saw 2 men walking one through the driving and the other through the drive out. and i remember very clearly the particular guy who came through the driving was wearing the fats coverage on his head. and

he had bullets tucked around him with rifle and make a 47. and that's when it hit me that this is probably more serious than the michelin thought, but there was hardly any time to do anything. now you, you are, he and the particular gun mom is like maybe 3 or 4 meters away. so you cannot run, there's nothing you can do. and it was, it was quite a moment for me. so what i remember vividly was it took aim, the security guard was hiding right next to me was taking cover right next to me. and is your shot in the head? and i remember blood just clattering all over the place and now i didn't know what to do. so my thinking was the only targeting the security

guards. and it was in those mom in, in those seconds that i saw him. amy's rifle at me. and you see where i was, i was only separated by my car which was right next of the barrier. and all i remember i had a very loud, but it was louder than anything else. it had. and about particular point, i didn't know whether i had been shot or not. after that shot, i could hear the gunshots, proceed from where i was. and i could tell from my, i was like, one of the gunmen went to the basement of the month. and the gunman went to the top because you remember there was may him, the rooftop. and whether there was there was a cooking competition by children. and i remained in that position for a couple of minutes. and i wasn't sure whether i'd been shot or not. all i

remember is i could see because from the position i was in, i was lying down, but with my, my leg folded, i could see a lot of blood on my right leg. and because i could not feel any pain, my imagination was this must have been perhaps the blood that was splattered from the victim. i had been shot in front of me and i saw one pass on open the doors from their car and walk out of them all with their hands raised up. then i saw a couple of other people walk out. and it's, at that point, i thought perhaps it's safe, maybe it's rescue that has arrived. and i walked out with my hands raised up. i was limping. actually live up particular point. but i managed to get out of the gates when i got outside the caged. that's when i was so there was a fairly, there was a team of like 3 or 4 guys. i will never allow terrorists to dictates how i leave.

because to me, those are cowards. i mean, if you have a grievance with a kind of government, oh, you have a grim or you have you think you're man enough? go to the face l a military of god face l. a. police? but why is terrorism on the wise in africa and who is responsible for us? before we can investigate these questions, we take a look at who are the major grouping in east africa on ship up was established in 2006. as a splinter group of al qaeda, its leaders thought autonomy in the operations to come to the waste. wising from the impoverished ranks of somalia disenfranchised groups. goal is to create an islamic state and to combat the increasing influence of the united states. is amalia an important country? geographically, horn of africa, that opens the gulf of aidan to the middle east. while in west africa the same story unfolded in nigeria. we boca her rom, which means western education is forbidden,

has extended its reach since its rise in the early 2, thousands. the group is responsible for kidnappings, most notably in 2014, when they took hostage nearly 300 school girls in should bach geared at making the country ungovernable? in an effort to push western influence out of nigeria. as for these la mc state, despite the defeat in the middle east, their numbers and frequency of attacks continues to grow mozambique as western countries show, no signs of slowing down their operations for natural resources and increased profits from gas, gold, diamonds, and ruby extraction. the violence and clashes unlikely to accelerate kenya, both the united nations headquarters of counter terrorism in africa. from kenya, the u. n. monitors and conducts operations against preventing the spread of terrorism on the continent. but very often it is these operations that perpetuate terrorism, in africa. i spoke with dr. hassan hannity,

an expert in strategic affairs, and asked him for his opinion. thank you so much for joining us here. and auntie africa ducked out at the moment. one of the current trends that you notice with regards to terrorism, that he's been a change as visually considering coming back and the number of dynamics have taken place. the least we that they'd defeat of icy suspiciously in its ability to hotels hurry. now what you're seeing is expansion of icy, seen other forms by setting up a province within the country. especially in this, i have seen the horn and central africa region. why can't the americans get a handle on terrorism when they pour so much money into countering it? while efforts by the united states, especially if they renewed efforts under the ministration to account shut up. in

particular, laudable aids extremely limited in part because the critical aspects, which is the developmental aspect, is not at being could see that sufficiently. so territories that have been liberated from us above for instance, are not exactly been followed up by the soft power that requires that those communities are no longer left vulnerable, eva 2 by 2 local warlords or by as extremists. and so focusing on the higher power alone has limits and that has been demonstrated and i think is going to require, for instance, the united states as well as those who are fighting terrorists me, them africa, to rethink the strategy holistically. the width is fighting or trying to fight terrorism in east africa. does this, i've only not increased terrorism in this part of the world. over lands on hot power has a direct impact of cause on fueling the seat of defend and grievance. in part because at some of the kind of damage, for instance, the done by trans,

had exploited by our ship up. but, and these sort of found it because then when you kill civilians in the process of conducting a mission, eights folder for terrorist organization and tereceda. ology. now if that again is not followed by a different mechanism that can be able to inspire a hope of cause. what you will be doing is driving people farther into the arms of tourist organizations, as opposed to being the opposite. and so what is happening aren't people being driven into the hands of terrorists, to some degree, some of the methods employed driving people into extra isn't. but on a whole, i think eve, those engaged in fighting terrorism. i going to have a holistic approach, especially the economy and political aspects to ensure this full of law to ensure the c comic developing chronic draws to be sure these pieces stability. i think that is the only long term solution and what kind of hard power, what kind of operations is the waste fueling in east africa that is sending people

into the arms of terrorists. the west of course, is conducting a number of oppressions some cup out some of that. now some are attributed directly or at least, you know, the width will acknowledge. one is that the united states may acknowledge, conducting certain operations and taking out terror leaderships at and some of it of course, you know, no one claims responsibility for it. but those especially hard power operations that takes over involved civilian casualties at exactly the kind of of activities or actions that actually fuel a terrorism. i'm disappointed in the way the west is handling the increase in covers. and i would say as the efforts are in patient, while some of it, especially in taking out leaderships of chabad, is something that he's, you know, it's positive. i think to the extent that said, the, you know,

sufficient economic and institutional engagement to ensure long term stability. it's disappointing to the extent that now the world and the western world has been extremely involved, especially in places such as african somalia, that they current your politics seem to have some of the energy outside the priorities on the continent. the home, of course, is something disappointing and is something that i think that the region has to call to attention that those players need to play a model best role. if we actually have, are we, if we have to puzzle jane we and lasting piece, not justin africa. but i think in the global south, as we have seen everything t, it's, if you would give some kind of prognosis to the future of terrorism in africa. the story looks bleak or positive. i wouldn't,

i would say somewhere in between. the depends with the kind of efforts are going to be made, especially the next one or 2 years is going to be concerted effort of intentional community as well as the continent of the focus. it's energy fighting terror. these, the likelihood that it's projector is going to be positive. if on the other hand, we get consumed with other issues of your politics and take our i of the terror rate is going to went through the continent and that is where the allies a few decades ago groups that boca rom, al chabad and islamic state was so small that they were not considered a threat to regional security. but today all of that has changed. i visited the old town of mombasa, which was discovered by the portuguese back in the 1400s to asked people there what they felt. i'm in g y kaylee, the old town of mombasa, where the never streets, the religious flags, and the fact that there is a mosque on almost every street corner lends itself to the fact that so much

extremism comes from these quarters. in fact, we have a police presence because it's unsafe for foreigners and journalists to be in this part of the town. for the issue and the problem of terrorism. ashley, bloomy, train politics, wrong politics. beat little bit of people who are beaten and lazy, people, and religion. most people here do they like america or they don't like america. he or william? oh the will will. my shop is located here. i consider like 55 to 60 percent. don't lay comerica. why not just because of the involvement k a get mostly. your perspective is about really john the maybe maybe. yeah. if i'm to mention

you seem to sing that american would they do a denise? the muslim countries are medically comerica, supporting lackeys or things like that. you see the find that they're being pushed . that's why the react industry to be found from what we've seen so far. it's a bit vague. we see more of the canyon. the security operators within the country doing a lot more where we could have been assisted with the americans to make sure that the safety of all citizens in kenya is looked after. but to, to be frank, if you ask me if it's felt it soft, why, why don't you want to show us your face and to many people here, feel the same way you feel normally it's not unless you talk about our country. and them is in my country is not good. sometimes your 1st maybe be accused accusation to are forcing but to for some money.

why does america one? kenya, america is not really fighting terrorism. so why's america involved? american america said they're frightened till but i don't get into a fight if they're fighting tele, this should be brazil, kidney helping king every day. those of some of are coming inside the district or country. they're taking our people every day and sometimes they went to the hospital, they took the class, they are taking every day. they are putting bombs under their roads and then cause i destroy. i think i don't think they're helping while they are outside there. there should calmly and help. so what are they doing? why are they here? if they're not helping the here to funding give us money. but to stay with us to show us this is, this is what they don't do both. so it's

a textbook carried out by some molly militants, at the most dish government no longer. once american assistance in fighting tara, it is come up with a unique way of dealing with the problem. dr. fatima alley of the us international university in africa, agrees with the approach. i think the approach of the government approach using the military because now this is like combat, you know, as fiercely warming them, you know, and talking on hold. and yeah. so it's really that comp direct and direct contact to fighting that you work with local militias in different areas where this local militia is not in the same ideology sub. and they do not really to vary the

petition of maybe the next or the religion. so you have a pockets of sub sophie, this is key is also and also following this thomas political ideology but the food perspective. so they're not in twine with the ideology of us above. so they're able to have the government to push out and above from sutton refill. and the other problem will be, even if they approve the bob from these places, will be a vacuum over governance of the challenges. how would somebody government is publish its presence in all those areas? secondly, the confidence any will build confidence in the people that they're thinking permanent. you move us above. no other group will come and they will be a truly conciliation. and then they, they come to the move forward. so i think that is also the other thing was how can

deal with internal politics when it comes to quantity? because it's always one of the red folk of policy for manya. and i think also this is what looks like some up capitalized, so their leadership would only have been loyal to their people of their clansman. i mean, yeah, the fight against tara is not always what is seen in west africa. the terrorist boca bomb was started by extremists who believe the nigerian government had been influenced by western government. the group was largely unknown on the international stage until nearly 300 school goals were captured by it. back in 2014. most of these schools have never been found, but african now tracked on one. this is her story. different you know, bottom, mcdonough,

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piece just is no pull me go in and i'm gonna get on one talk. a clue sent us for quite so unfit o'clockish. when kinda especially america, do kia garza, you dunker got us, her water won't go. good. no, to be glad. akiva. one dish year before sharpie. shackleton kish and i be sure, couldn't you? yeah. and i how about you should not normally me know if she hadn't, i hadn't she missed yeah. wonderful. one on what he died biondo on america and dizzy when, when one day a book on going she's out over analyze. could you appear wonder now? good. yeah. push the fact is that terrorism in africa is on the wives and will continue to do so. for as long as countries are not honest about what is happening on the ground when skirmishes and

conflicts are given, the label of terrorism, it allows the west to get involved for the own reasons and their own agendas. these powers, like the united states, france and britain very often claimed a fighting tourism in africa, which has a convenient excuse and to which they can hide the operations to extract oil gas and minerals, as well as to influence local policy. well that brings us to the end of this week, so we hope you found it interesting. you can, of course, always reach out to us on one of our social media platforms until we went through again next week from me and the team hearing tenure. quite harry good bye. ah

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margaret thought this meant union from all one of our new and i got the sale. i mean, i remember school, i wish to know eventually whole new, i know you gave him a sort of a jumping in. we've got a live press are about to kick off right now. you see the pictures of the russian foreign minister and here's my leon county pod abdul, a deal giving a press conference in the west african. next, let's have with an easy i look as your own below, visit them each year describe a lot of pee, this one nixie last miss. your 2nd level beneath it is i thought it was yet lovely that i was short notice said visit historic. get on a mini sub, as i said with roger ross or my me, when my lee,

i notice you don't get yellow politic doable to let us know the burden was equal thought they properly madness when they to promote by level operation. first, we will listen to mr at the else than minister sort of library. and after that we will give the floor our friends the media. they will have a chance to ask questions. it seems ministers have very business council. we would like to ask, turn leads to phrase, direct questions. clearly the problem, the foreign ministry of molly. mr. philosophy, up please. the floor is yours. emma. thank you very much. thank you. ladies and gentlemen, media representatives. first of all, i would like on behalf of the people that do that in mind. you,

mr. asked me go, i taught me to re president on behalf of the government on behalf of the leon, people to welcome me. as for labrat of foreign affairs minister, the russian federation here rumbly vineyard. you see he came here with a friendly visit here to buy my co minister, what we see and looking forward to seeing you for a long time. and i think your visit here, israeli wide, the mountain people wanted to see your coming here, allows us to emphasize the milestone care girl. these particular they said we consider that for the 1st time throughout our history we are receiving for, in fair as ministry from russia. once again, i would like to remind it that our 2 countries have reached history of.