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the who's hello and welcome to cross talk or all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. it's getting harder and harder for the west to align their words with reality. it's clients that ukraine is in big trouble, and things are only expected to get worse. the west is struggling to put an end to a conflict that never should have been fought in the 1st place. in the cross

talking the war of words i'm joined by my guess. angel juliano in hong kong. he's a political in financial analyst in london. we have david curtain, he's the leader of the heritage party. and in athens, we cross to dmitri last caught us. he is a lawyer and a freelance journalist i gentleman cross talk rules and effects. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let me go to david david's 1st appearance on the program. much appreciated david, you know, the more we, i think about this conflict one year plus it's really kind of a psych off operation. it's all about perceptions and narratives. and a whole lot of propaganda, there's very little talk about the really the origins of the conflict, the nature of the regime in care of where all that money is going to. and just why is the west so concerned about ukraine's borders when the e u itself is not concerned with its borders and everyone knows the united states is not interested in its own southern border. there's a lot of cab questions out there, but if we started challenging the narrative, i think we would have very different conclusions in how to proceed. since we have

this talk in the background of, you know, a piece talked with the french and the germans, and the brits are supporting a chinese have come out with a plan. all of these things are in mixed right now. but if you go back to the context of how this conflict, then i think that is the way forward to ended david in london. go right ahead. yeah, absolutely. i totally agree with you. i mean, what you've got in the west is huge propaganda. there is only one line coming from most of the mainstream media and all of the governments in the collective west. and that is that russia is bad. ukraine is good, zalinski is an angel hootin is the devil, and that is how it's been spawn. there's absolutely no talk aloud of how this goes back to 2014. and the qu, that was instigated by the cia with victoria newland in ukraine because the collective west will not the people, but the governments in the deep state of the collective west wanted to bring ukraine into the e u and into nato. and that doesn't make any sense from

a security point of view or an economic point of view, but there's no talk that kind of discussion isn't allowed. i did actually go on to a mainstream channel just recently and said that, but i haven't been invited back on. so i think they're all powers that be that try to stop this, a blind from being, i even spoken. and this information from being received by the people. but the great thing is that people still look on social media. ordinary people are actually looking at what's going on on a thinking about this from a holistic point of view and looking at all the different angles and actually waking up to the fact that it is and how is being portrayed by the governments and the media that are in the pockets of the government. and so there is hope that the people that the people just don't want this to go on because what we're seeing and, you know, my main concern is that there's hundreds of thousands of people who've now being

killed. whether it's russians or ukrainians, and it's just slaughter going on here and we want back the store. and so that is the main concern of just ordinary decent people. yes, but that's not the concern of the people that wanted this conflict. you know, they, they're willing to sing the, go on to the last ukrainian dmitri, you know, the, i've been to ukraine many, many times before. the complex, obviously, wonderful people, wonderful country. but the way it's portrayed in the west is some kind of cosmic living existing on some kind of cosmic plane. ok, geography doesn't have much to do with it. geo politics doesn't have much to do with it. kind of, echoing with david said earlier, this is just a, you know, a cosmic fight against good versus evil, but that has nothing to do with jail politics. go ahead, dmitri. you know, it is astonishing here how little we talk about the big picture in the west when we talk about this war. and you cannot really understand what is happening in ukraine . and we're, all of this is heading in what's motivating western governments without looking at

the geopolitical picture. the deal, the geopolitical picture is that after the fall of the soviet union in the late eighty's, early ninety's, the united states found itself in the position for the 1st time in its history, of being the sole superpower of geopolitical behemoth. that was at that particular point in time and for a brief period and capable of being challenged in any meaningful way by any other country. russia went through a period of humiliation, abuse clipped talk, proceed with the full and enthusiastic support of the united states government and other western governments. leading luminaries in the united states like george can and warned that abusing russia's vulnerability. that point in time would ultimately lead to disaster. but the neocons people like rumsfeld, wolfowitz cheney, they took control of u. s. foreign policy and decided that they were going to destroy and crush any potential resistance to usaa germany. and what they now confront is a multi polar world for the 1st time in some 30 years. russia and china,

particularly when that are acting in concert in an alliances they are pose an insurmountable obstacle to western gemini. and the neocons simply can't accept that . they refuse to accept that reality and by refusing to do that, they are effectively imperiling the future of all humanity. yeah, yeah. and i go to you in hong kong to maintain western specifically american hegemony. the 1st thing they had to do was destroy europe. it's really, you know, the, the, the different outcomes of this policy is really astounding. not to speak of the destruction of ukraine. we have no idea what we ukraine is going to look like at the end of this conflict. but the, the closer the closest allies, the united states in this conflict are suffering. the brunt of it is, well, i'm thinking about blowing up north stream pipeline. the economic, whoa is in europe here at all because of the importance of ukraine's borders a i cannot understand how this is an existential threat,

but they've made it an extra central thread. by positing it is a good versus evil struggle. go ahead in hong kong. i think it's important to look at you at the foundation of europe. we go back to after world war 2. the are true people that are very important in the foundation of europe. valley. there are stein and germany. jacqueline see that she be the father of for the foundation of europe, and you know what, they were actually on the payroll of the cia. so europe was actually a project in shaded by the us. what is behind this is our, is actually better controlled europe. and as she long term plan is to destroy nation state. so what that, what we saw right in this, this a confrontation between natal, europe and russia. it highlight that actually, these are you open stays to have lost the democracy. everything is decided in brussels and then washington as the last say. so what it is,

is that what is the more shocking end it's, it's completely obvious. or we know, and we knew that mercury was actually spied by the an essay. we knew already many things, but this makes it much more obvious. so now if tomorrow you up wants to sit again at the table, especially after heavy lights alone, life. slocum, i or are they quit the ball? you know, of course, of course, in our credible, let me go to david here, david one, i'm really glad that angela brought that all up here because the french, the british and the, the germans are, it's, it's rumored there, leaks, you know, they have a piece proposal coming out well from what i have seen, i don't know why russia would sit down at the table with any of these countries. after as and angela pointed out, and when we go back to the mens records they were, the rush was lied to. i mean, this is all public knowledge. i know not a conspiracy theory. it's all public david. yeah, absolutely. um, there would be no reason to actually take any of the people in the u. k. french and

german government seriously, because from the very beginning of this serve the special military operation. a year ago, all they've done is talk about escalating and more war and more weapons and more money to the zalinski regime. and they're rumored a peace deal if you like. doesn't make any sense whatsoever. they're saying, well, we're going to lean on zalinski to have peace talks. but at the same time, they're going to continue giving more money and more weapons so he can win the war . and this is the language that they're using. now they are calling it a war and they are saying that them can be no other outcome apart from a ukrainian victory, whatever that means. and to most of them, that means that pushing the russian army right back to the borders of ukraine taking over the donna donates can do hans people's republics. and crimea as well. i mean, that simply isn't going to happen, but you find out the more that they're sending weapons or the escalating with

artillery and then we have now tank sits walking about air craft and then it's walking about long range missiles and weapons. every time they do that, it doesn't work and it isn't having the effect that they wanted to. so they just continue doubling down and doubling down. and then in that the background of all those thing that they, they said they're actually that and saying, oh, we want a piece agreement as well. the 2 things just don't go together and they are just completely untrustworthy in what they're saying. well, exactly dimitria, they keep the, the name of the game as the escalade yet as much land and then call it a ceasefire. but even from the russian point of view, why would they agree to a cease fire? so the rum state of, of ukraine can be re armed by nato and do it all over again in 5 years time. i can guarantee you, you can take this to the bank. the russians will never agree to something like that dimitry. it would be absolute insanity for them to do that,

to the russian people and that the state have, you know, it made sacrifices for the protection of the russian people. quite considerable sacrifices. we don't know how many casualties have been sustain are undoubtedly significant. they find themselves now in an advantageous position. you can go to the website of the institute for the study of war, which is a pro u. s. pro neil con website funded by arms manufacturers. and look at a time lapse map of what has happened on the battlefield since november, when russian forces withdrew from curse on city. what has happened is there has been one gain after another by russian forces. they've taken an brief cut. they've taken berg kafka. they take me quickly, she's got crescent horror sola dar. they are on the verge of encircling a bad mood where the deadliest and most decisive battles have happened during the course of this war. and once that happens, they may well then have a pretty much unimpeded path to slavin can crime a tourist. so if you're looking at it from the russian perspective, you've made your sacrifices. you've built up your defenses,

you've mobilized as hundreds of thousands of soldiers. you're winning the or decisively on the battlefield. it would be butter insanity for you to enter the peacetime. ready which 1st of all requires you to see territory that you've gained with russian blood. and secondly, leaves the opponent the enemy in a position to attack you in the future. little hot hold that thought gentlemen, we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the war of words, day with our case. ah ah, lisa canter. russian state will never. i've started as i'm phoning those 19 div

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w a down in my chair the says water doesn't want that much extra mom, but i know to put there that whole welcome back to cross top. were all things are considered. i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing war of words. the okay, so back angelo and in hong kong, you know, as

a western media and the western elite. so scurry around decry to come together, cobbled together some kind of negotiate and stance to and this complex i would just turn everyone's attention to publicly known documents that were sent out by moscow to washington and to brussels on december 17th, 2001. and this is what russia it was, you know there ultimatum wouldn't be a negotiating, so you call whatever you want. ok, they telegraphed to the world what they wanted. and if they didn't get that there was going to be a conflict and you know what? everyone, the conflict happened. so let's go back to those 2 documents. you know, ukraine being neutral. no, no, no de toe in structure there. and settling the, the issue with don bath in crimea. that's where, you know, that's a starting point right now. it's everybody knows it, but in the, in the west, they won't recognize, you know, why? because they don't believe russia has legitimate security concerns. that's the big problem and ending this conflict. that's because that's how it started. angelo,

in hong kong. it's so it's very sad when you look at to was russia was asking, was extremely trivial. it was extremely fair. you had enormous people that while she threatened of cultural genocide, all the size, i mean very negative sign, we're all there. what russia was asking, it seems so trivial when you look at the position now that ukraine is put into ukraine, my ac, she cease to exist as a nation states if it was such a big gamble. but we need to ask or said the question, you know, it's so interesting that the, the collective west isa, over and over say, talking about the sovereignty of ukraine. where was the southern germany queen in 2014, because ukraine is normal, so a sub. and since 2014 they, they have, you know, it's, they so much epoxy. ukraine's democracy has been hijacked since 2014. they did

one of the game. so you know, they could actually peacock wherever they wanted and then they, i mean, you know, you have to see, i mean, right now the series actually calling the shots in care. so they, they so much epoxy. oh so, so it's just, it's just, it is just an embarrassment. i myself european and i am so embarrassed of the position of my government when he comes to, to what is happening ukraine in the latest polls actually in italy, this, it says clearly that italians don't want this. they are not part of the, and they start to understand and, and i'll handle all across the western world. this is an elite project. this is the, it's not grass roots. ok. i mean, where are the demonstrations for ukraine all over the world? now, you know it's an elite project, it's a media project. ok, david, if i go back to the irony of ironies, my friend is that it is 1st of the 1st few weeks of the conflict, the negotiations and assemble with the turks. you know,

uminski. i could have gotten something i'm giving up what he didn't even have. he didn't have the john bass and he didn't have crimea. he could have easily given that up because he didn't have it in the 1st place. that way. but no, it was the west that intervened and said no zalinski, you and your gang soldier on into the last ukranian. okay. that's why it did this responsibilities in the shoulders of the west. go ahead, david. yeah. and into the shame of my country, united kingdom, i think boris johnson, who was the prime minister, the time, had a lot to do with persuading zalinski not to go with the p. steel that was being hammered out in turkey between pollutants, lensky, which would have brought this to a close. and as he said in the beginning, it was absolutely no reason for this war and his conflict to even start. there was no reason for it to continue back in april. they nearly reached a peace agreement where they would have agreed to know that crimea would stay russian, that the don bass area would stay russian,

which is full of ethnic russians anyway. and is absolutely no strategic or geopolitical advantage for the collective west to insist that a russian area, or with a majority of russian speaking people in f. the russians stays in ukraine and doesn't become autonomous. there's actually no reason for that whatsoever. it's not going to hurt the west at all economically or politically, but i think there's more to it than that. because over the last 8 years and western, the leitz of turned ukraine into a hell hole of corruption. we know about the bio labs that are there. we know about the dodgy contracts which are going on. and we know about the money laundering which is going on, you know, hun to bite and himself, it's known a owl, a $1000000.00 pounds a year. contract with paris. huh. for a no show job, that's just one person. how many more people actually are personally benefiting from the corruption which is going on in ukraine? and that's why i think the elite benefits from keeping it as it is. but the

ordinary people are suffering well. they won't even in one huge money laundering operations. a griff, that's the way i look at it. it's no coincidence. the afghan gripped and didn't know we got an eye on that came on line. i don't. there's no coincidence about that . you know, dmitri, thanks to you on, must gotten back on twitter, and so i get a daily attacks thrown at me. that's fine. that's okay. i can take it. but i, i've positive before and i get really puzzling read reactions. the more the west helps ukraine since 2014, the smaller it gets, i mean, shouldn't, can, you know, you know, consider the, that the longer this goes on, the smaller their country is going to be dimitry and in athens. but with, with friends like the western identities, we were having a discussion in the west now about escalating this conflict by providing main battle tanks. it's unclear how many bill ultimately to liver. we're now talking about f sixteens,

and there's an underlying assumption which no one ever questions in the mainstream discourse in the west. that if we only get the ukraine more weapons, it will regain territory. but there is an entirely alternative hypothesis scenario, which i think any rational person would see is more likely to play out. and that is if we continue to sustain this war by providing weapons to ukraine, it will lose territory. and it will end up with less territory. now we have a situation developing the south western part of ukraine, where there is an accumulation of ukrainian forces the next to trans in history. this is actually giving to the russian military and the russian government. an incentive to try to extend the land bridge all the way from a curse on region to trans mystery, so that they will be in a position to actually predict, protect the ethnically rushing population of trans mr. yet, we can see a situation unfold that this war goes on, where you can becomes an entirely landlocked state and loses completely it's access to the black seas. and i frankly think that's

a more likely outcome then green recovery incremental. so, you know, be careful what you wish for, we are actually causing more harm to the premium people than good. well, angela, if you look at, you know, go back to 2014, if you look at where the g g d, p was in ukraine within the don bass and crimea, it's g d. p is shrinking, though obviously the war is a very detrimental. and, and i agree with the military here, it's most likely end up as a land lock state and it will become an orphan, a, b, e u, i don't know what they'll call the country vandella. stan, i'm not really sure, but that's i'll be you now. okay. cuz they're the ones, it's going to have to pick up the bill. i hate to say that in front of demetrius in athens. okay. okay. cuz i know what the you can do to countries. angel go ahead. well, just think about a so reconstruction. we are who's going to pay for reconstruction or is going to want to pay for. and if they, if it's not a solid piece, they keep talking about reconstructing,

reconstructing what go ahead and hong kong know that they're not going to reconstruct her. they therefore destroy like get, remember what they didn't you in, in iraqi, in afghanistan, they didn't reconstruct anything. actually in afghanistan, they came, they, they, they left and they stole $7000000000.00 of afghani reserve. that actually most people are starving. so they don't care for 2nd once they've gone, they will forget about ukrainian, they will forget that ukraine ever existed. and keep in mind that we have created, we have nurtured this, sir. nasty ideology does not, is, are they in euro, you know, and, and, and you know, we isn't the next or isis that we have created that as actually is going to hunt us back in europe because this is an, this is a nasty culture and they're going to live with that europe is going to live with what they created. david, you know that, that they say again, when i started the program here were western leads won't tell us about what this

conflict here. and it going back to the origins of the because in 2014 who exactly was involved in that, who used force. all this is public knowledge. if you want to know what the mainstream media will never tell you these things, david. no, and the thought the funny thing in the up, the funny thing is the irony is that the mainstream media for the last 8 years until 2022. i've been talking about a fall right problem and the o nazi problem in ukraine. they'd been open about that, but the moment the special military operation started, they completely silence on there. and the narrative just split instantly. and when that happens, you know, there's something wrong. you know that the strings are being pulled and propaganda is being put in place. but yeah, we know that in 2014 or the crew was instigated mainly by victorian newland and other people in the c i and the united states, a government and the right sector. the as off battalion and other neo nazi groups,

were a key part of what happened in 2014, to get rid of a democratically elected government and put in a place, a puppet government, which would then bring ukraine into nato and into the e u. and that is the wrong future for the world. i mean, it's better for nato to actually have ukraine as a buffer state as a securities own, so that there is no antagonism. well, what is this david? i know i can tell. i can tell you, i think part of the, the end of this conflict is the end of nato. ok, but i got my fingers crossed. ok, i dmitri one minute left here. one day before the conflict started last year. ukraine was known for mostly for its corruption, but not any more interesting how they did that. dmitri one minute go ahead, i believe, is 2021. when the pandora papers revealed that, the churchill in zalinski himself had stashed a significant assets offshore in tax havens. and suddenly all of that was forgotten

. it was also forgotten that he was largely funded and sponsored by your cle malloy scheme. one of the most corrupt york's who's, who's accused by the u. s. government itself of a multi $1000000000.00 bank fraud. and that same old guard funded the ass off battalion. so the ability of the mainstream discourse in the west to exercise an intentional amnesia is absolutely remarkable. but ultimately, our failure to a refusal to look at recent history and give it to regard is going to cause immense suffering 1st and foremost of the people of ukraine. but. busy also to the collective west. yes. and that and that, that separate will last for a very long time. i, gentleman, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in hong kong, athens and in london. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz . see you next time. remember? prospect rules. mm. ah.

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