now that is under control use, and if today we replace germany with the european union, we'll see that the purpose of nato, the way it was designed 75 years ago, is not changed to told the students who are the american hedge from an 8, a choice of subjects in europe to american military and political interests published. do you think this is one of the reasons why donald trump skies everyone's so much, especially the american political lead. i'll to he said many times that the us should lead me to. so i suppose my question here is, how do you rate good shots is all the united states putting out the block? and secondly, how viable is this ever expanding allowance incognito, is internal defensive? i'm talking specifically about the us and to key a here to effect its future. look at the bottom of the, well, we diplomats deal with reality. and the reality is that nato has been around. it is still the and apparently in the foreseeable future, the launch is going to stay the way it is now and the way it develops. we know,

however, that the us is working now when creating blades. the 2 adults in the way of any presidential decisions regarding it may take memberships. that's one thing. another thing is that the americans, and that's not only trump, but also the americans who insist that the european allies increase the military spending. using this threats of putting out of nato to force your pains to, as trump puts it, pay more for security. looking at things realistically though it's an absurd situation. as of today, military budgets of nathan member states taken together exceed 52 percent of the world's title. we're looking at 1.2 trillion at least therapy and allies. contribution is 450000000000. 450000000000 is 7 to 8 times more than the military budget of the russian federation. plus, let's not forget the usa is global, military presence is very expensive to maintain. so the americans have some 602700 military facilities scattered across the globe, stacy domination in all regions,

and old potential phases of operation. if we subtract the money that is spent on defending europe, it's going to be much less than the $800000000000.00 bodies. the total amount of american military appropriations produce. if a militarist circles come to power in america, in sites increase the military budget to one for the and then of course the european ship will be much lower compared to that to say. so regulation is big. take that 20 percent of military spending must go towards procuring new alma, but as of now you are paying the nato met the states make about 80 percent of the procurements abroad. and that it was 60 percent of it comes from the us site. so if we crunch the numbers, we get some $100.00 billions worth of weapons that the europeans will have to buy from the usa, who's going to give up such a profit. that's why i think that off to another round of such threats from washington, europeans are going to pull the line and immediately fulfill any orders coming from the us. capital safety already talked about 2 percent, not big enough. 3 percent being the desired number is the sort of military

psychosis. they will continue to drive, and that psychosis will be very favorable to the americans to continue that policy of subjugating europe. and europe affords such huge contracts right now. we're still waiting for, it would seem that continuing to spend such results is on insane goals. why compensation with russia would be political suicide? in the current situation, the fact is, the russian threatening se, sending in the minds of americans of western europeans, specifically those who make confrontation with russia, the basis of the foreign policy. the experience of the cold war has told us estimate hostile policies combined with very hostile and frankly, military planning is an explosive mixture that were brief of the confrontation ultimately lead to an alms race. we had to make colossal efforts to prevent escalation at that time. and it was the time when the west side political leaders of the calibrate, needed to make decisions that would reverse the alarming trend. there's all so the

fact that sooner or later was the least we'll have to explain to the societies why in the, how this money was spent. why they're buying tanks, planes in of it system in order to have had more or less credible to their constituencies. they will say, yes, we did that to prevent russian from attacking us rush, it would certainly have attacked us if we hadn't done that. that's the power i don't. so the current situation, but it's also the power adults of this manufactured trend of demonizing. russia is unfortunately necessary for the survival of native himself. nature cannot exist without an external adversary. so all those who cons, imagine that security without nature, if i the rest of the be instruction from washington and elsewhere, primarily from the capitals of the baltic states. and also declared that they all front line states that they in the line of fire, that they will be the 1st victims of russian aggression if it's not resisted. so they're the ones in charge, and that's a reality that we have to reckon with you of, you mentioned the cold war era,

just going back to that period. how would you describe nature's policy during the time of the food, the us saw on the wall. so to, to deny zation exist it, and is it to say that most go gave the alliance of leadership any cause for concern? well, yes, a good is, if we talked about russia's or rather, the soviet union policy at the time, moscow did not give any costs for consent on the country. most goes policy in the post 4 years was focused on shaping a common european security architecture. several potential treaties were drafted and one of them was literally called the treaty on common european security. russia propose of the schemes, arms control instruments to solve the measures. rush insisted on solutions to the german questions that would unite to europe rather than divide it. unfortunately, the west was not willing when we talk about the beginning of the computation era is started exactly with the formation of the native block which divided europe into 2 camps. but as for the most hole packed, which the west blames with cement,

just the structure as confrontation that led to the cold war. the story was very different to us, as all was long, reluctant to form alliances with these east european partners. again, we were proposing different ways of transforming your europe, composed of 2 opposing groups of states into a place of peace corporation and prosperity. and the guy in the west would not have a local packs came into being when nature rejected us as a bid to join the law and say, 1954. at the same time, nature decided to accept the federal republic of germany as a member. in 1955 also packed was signed and the organization was board members for the interesting thing is that according to one of the final articles also treat the organization was created, i me folded, period of confrontation, and also packed was to be terminated. as soon as a common european security architecture was in place, by the way, the protocol on the termination of the both of pack the so called prompt protocol, signed by the heads of the warsaw pact, states in 1991 explicitly said as the error of confrontation is ended, we,

the heads of state have decided to terminate the most will pack. this piece in europe will now be established on the basis of common european approaches. as long as you referenced the 1954 when the us saw showed some desire to join nato and recent history vitamin fusion set the russia at some point, had thoughts of joining the organization. why is it that the west was an interested in you? well, they showed no interest, of course, because the session movie, the us is all, all the russian federation of nato was simply change the nature of this organization. and it would essentially become upon the european organization. it is the instrument of collective security in europe. for this reason, by the way, it was actually directly written in the reply notes in the united states fronts in england, the soviet union was not accepted into this organization. there was some other things that might, we can be un, the sort of, you need to know the,

i'm to the club of democratic states said trensler. but the main point was that it would change the nature of this ministry prolong, so in that sense, nothing has changed. and if we talk about the full side of things of goals, restaurants as a new, russia did not submit any actual bids, but the exports results of reason. the president might have meant boots and publicly shared with all of us, his memories of how this issue was discussed in totes. when bill clinton will be honest, it was in fact so i can say that there was such conversations in the community and the confidential talks between diplomats to the issue was present in one way or another. but 1st of all, it was clear from the reaction from the signals that we received from the capitals, the, the west would not go for it. and the 2nd thing that played a role was that it was also said that even if russia had applied that would be no exemptions in terms of the admission procedures. this would mean following the membership action plan in the don't take controversial needs or standards. but the picture we say with some european countries joining the european unit is the same.

they've been waiting in line for decades. the aims of being twisted different chapters being open and close. it's clear that this approach would be absolutely unacceptable to russia. therefore, by from a formal and important point of view, as well as from a conceptual point of view. the issue could not be can say that if we threw back a little one history to 1991, we know that both of us impact on the us, the thought ceased to exist and not yet. but as he said, anya nate to needs an external enemy, it's simply once divide without it. right, so do you think that's the reason western countries didn't dissolve naturebox then in 91 to move the data, it wasn't as old primarily because of the united states stocks. it's a foreign policy tool. they weren't ready to give out. that's the 1st reason. second, b is true that off to the bulls, all packed was dissolved, nato ended up being like a fish out of was that without as an opponent. and if nato had stopped expanding,

eastwood's at that point, as was promised to be count. gorbachev, who would it defend itself against who would be its opponent? now that was germany would have to defend against potent hungry on the baltic states. it's all because the natives role would have been reduced to 0 in that case with all the ensuing consequences from the euro. american airlines that i mentioned earlier, you see, so i see just continuing this topic on the expansion. you absolutely correct. you know to that, they're all countries that all waiting, standing in line to join the european union. but the same property comp you set about nature kind of because as we know in the 19 ninety's on to thousands, the blog activity moved eastwood in several ways. what was the goal of that? and what effect at this expansion have on the bushes entrust off to the preaching? well, as i said, the key goal was to keep nato as such. otherwise he had no chances of survival. find the way this is what the president had been saved in the 1990. so they would

know objective reasons to keep that as they would know, these threats. this is why they needed that expansion to retain nato as the west instrument, the maintaining influence dominance, both in europe and the globally, the size, they also announce themselves when is in the cold world. although this is not the case by any means, sophia, you need pull out the cold war that's wide and deep and thought they proclaim themselves when is in the cold war and the wind is always right. i remember speech by and just by rasmussen, for my date a secretary general already outside of that position, he was speaking of that conference known as the brussels for him. about what is good about nature. first is the soul. so political legitimacy, white, it said, because it's a club of somebody's democratic states in europe and the one to see if this is why nobody can question without the decisions they make. and the actions that they take . because democracy is always all about good things. and the guys all the bad things. now the thing that makes nature better than other organizations is the fact . but in any circumstances, it is the lines that can outcome anybody else. so anyone who dislikes the 1st of

the above statements will have to face the 2nd one. the result of that is the catastrophic interventions and all to well, the most important thing though, is this native way of thinking. they are allowed everything. what others are allowed? nothing is no highlight to be significant interventions. what sort of international, legal, and indeed, electrical judgments can be made regarding nature's operations in the 19 ninety's and to thousands. i'm talking specifically the endeavors and the former you can solve the iraq. they'd be asked on a strong law system wasn't for many descriptions, can be provided aggression, flagrant violations of international law. catastrophe, humanitarian catastrophe. because if we look at the historical legacy of the lines, it concerns dismembered or devastated states about the emergence of vol. space is like a rock, libya, syria boss spaces, without any state control, which it become

a refuge for extreme is a terrorism where poverty destitution lack of everything a means of existence, prevails is millions of migrant sand is millions of lost lives. and of course, the latest example in this series is afghanistan. they stayed there for 14 years based on a year in security council resolution state disgrace when he left without being held accountable to the un security council leaving afghanistan. and they basically said, that's it. we bought our hands with going, and now they continued as a bus is activities using afghanistan to create tension around the russian federation. you know, something under valley. i guess. speaking of nate to russia relations, what's your assessment of most goes in get age when with the 9th and the 19 nineties and thousands. was it as a constructive was? that was the sense that the all the side was how bring hostility, that there was some kind of hidden agenda that little more of what is coming up as well for you. one could talk about, say,

hidden agenda. i would like to point out something else, of course, the russian leadership at that time was faced with a difficult choice choice of how to organize its relations with nature. by the way, the story i told you about the us as a applying for membership and fighting to keep your from being divided into blocks . that story. is it many ways similar to the period you're asking about? now the ninety's, it was a very clear choice. we could either ignore de type, we could accept the fact that they exist. the european unit exists along with the geo political, military, and political realities that come with it. it should not prevent us from trying to build a common european architecture. but as we build this coming europe in architecture, which is designed to minimize the important military blocks, that would hardly be reasonable to ignore the move to get up. then we decided, 1st of all, to establish official relations. a 2nd be considering that the cold war was over and there was no longer any danger of confrontation between the blocks. but new threats and challenges were looming on the horizon. first of all, those relates to international terrorism and rush. it had to come the main victim

of these international terrorism. we decided to look for ways to use the existing military potential and the possibilities. so for the to dialogue. if we talk about the work of the nature of russia, permanent joint counsel and then the nato, russia council, they what 3 main parts. first, say it was the costs and monitoring of the security horizon by maintaining a political dialogue, discussing the problems and challenges that arise. second, there was the search, but common ground and ways to join efforts need times of coordinating some steps. but also in terms of implementing concrete projects, even conducting joint operations, decided i would say was the residual tasks such as continuing to dismantle the legacy of the cold war building. understand the between the middle trace, sharing military development plans, holding joint exercises and so on. and so forth. and what to a sudden extent, corporation, on the new threats and challenges was not very expensive, but it did not overlap with all working of the international organizations and provided added value in terms of security counter terrorism cooperation is one

example of maritime a search and rescue is another we created modules to rescue crews of submarines a distress. pnc terrorist component included the range of projects, the ready strength and security, including by drawing on the lessons of september 11th, russian nato. as a bait and system was established. it was designed to share real time information about aircraft, including commercial blades that did not follow ground commode meaning they may have been hijacked by terrorist, and to compel them to lat george exercise. they were conducted over the black sea and the baltic sea together with part, and then took the whole these things works. uninstalled was a major focus. since i've gotten some posed a threat to both national and social security. the primary challenge being drugs, the largest project to trade anti narcotics, personal napkins complex stop and central asian countries was implemented within the framework of the rest your day to cancel. a total of $4000.00 officers with trained full engine context moves. all sort of the material and combat the

capabilities, the after and national on me. what reinforced, enabling it to independently control the situation in afghanistan. and there were a number of other projects including come back and i received your let me tell you about the last thing we did from this positive agenda. we developed to projects and came pretty close to implementing it for the 1st day of a joint operation in the history, the russian exit council. his goal was to ensure safe destruction of the chemical weapons removed from syria. syria then joined the chemical weapons convention. they were transported up all the us, the vessel k, right for dry container ship that was to be anchored finally, any specific areas of the mediterranean sea and could not be moved during the disposal period. everyone understood that it, it was a very attractive target for service organizations and needs to be protected. so at the initiative of the latest of nato countries on russia, we began planning this operation. we were in the midst of the planning process, planning of forces and rules of engagement. when you're in my done, i'm a state who happened to get nato abruptly castle and bunch the old cooperation with

us as corporation. like so many others was left by the wayside of history. published by we'll see, will view on the joining of sweden and finland, the latest nato. additions is also to ensure will nato's future and how like this impact the international situation over the summer. they said, well this has the most negative impact. first, the speaking about the regional situation and all of the european and the baltic sea region in terms of military security, stability among the most peaceful in europe is that when a phrase and complex no whole complex, no acute territorial disputes. while not everything was for the result of situation well stable from the military standpoint. that we know issues in military relations with the russian federation. when the bolting countries gained independence, i mean when the voltage states would crunch independence by the us is all there was an issue with cleaning grad transit for military purposes. but it was the result.

there was no more military disputes. yes, we have serious problems in all the bilateral relations with these countries. but these problems were not military in nature. and they primarily concerned these situations, the russians and russian speaking people in the baltic states, the no citizenship phenomena is a disgrace to bottom democracy. the fact that such countries easily accepted into the european union and nato speaks volumes about the hypocrisy of these 2 organizations. in reality, 2 political reasons, prevailed to neutral countries which enjoyed unquestionable authority in europe, sweden and finland admitted to finland will always be associated with the helsinki final act. offended and had always, and at the full front, the base foot steed, create pan europe in structures. they, along with sweden and other than on the line countries played a prominent role, the establishment of military transparency instruments. they served as a bridge between 2 blocks, allowing them to continue to come together to solve common problems before. now

they've turned away from this price. reason frightens are rapidly increasing. they administrate expenditures, purchasing american weapon rate. i mean time, machinery is in motion, does all of this? so if you are paying interest was simply the interest of peace and security in this region. set the north, but it serves american interests. and that's what matters most. but let's say it's sweden and finland. they submitted our application on monday. they basically signed the agreement the very next day on tuesday. ukraine, on the other hand, has been waiting for almost 2 years, and we still don't know to be accepted. it will, anytime we'll toe. so i'd like to ask you relating to that. i mean, we know that a nature delegation visited ukraine on the 21st of march, and was actually the 1st visit since the beginning of the conflict back in 2022. what does this loan absence mean in your opinion? does nato still believe in the viability of the key of government? great. instrument, you crane is an instruments in

a sense to put it bluntly and straightforwardly. they took countries of waging a hyper boykin's russian. a hybrid war consists of many elements. it includes, 1st and foremost, informational and ideological aspects, demonizing russia and attributing all souls malicious plans to the latest spin has been that if the west suffers any setbacks in the crate and brush will definitely evade part of the baltic states. and then there's all the hysteria about the swanky gap claiming restroom. bella roost will close it off to get a connection to clinton grad invite the baltic states. and this will be the end of may 2nd, because nathan must always have the behind in any situation. and dictate it's times everyone that's number one. number 2 is what's happening in the you can only experience for 15000 sanctions. and the same is happening in all other areas. political and military. ukraine is just a favorable where the proxy wars unfolding directly on the battlefield. it didn't start today. i remembered vividly the time when my dad was just beginning at that

time nato countries made. and the statements that you had to kind of it should never used for the armed forces should remain in that barracks. as soon as the victorious government came to pound key have they wasn't arms, could a native language ton 190 degrees? they started talking about how each country has the right to use this on forces to defend, to get separate to the web or the what separate as was to drop from their rhetoric . because that would mean nate to acknowledge that the company to new crate was internal. they needed to position the conflict as you cranes war gains, russia with russia thing, label and aggressive countries. unfortunately, that's what data is military policy and ukraine looked like. so you crane was deliberately turned into an empty rush at projects, activity supported types. it's a long story. it's hard to say just how far they will go into support. it's clear that no one is planning to accept the crane or whatever remains of it any way. however, the support provided by no mean data, but also the e u countries. as a long term, verizon, for example, you funds allocated for you create support including the purchasing weapons and

forming coalition to supply altered rate. i munition shelves, mon protected vehicles and so i won't have a planned horizon until 2027. civil plans exist within native frameworks. we seeking ways to continue training. the ukraine of course is by snail they will continue contributing in target designation, recognizance communications, and so on. and that's reality, but we know that they are already huge numbers of most reason. ukraine is one, as bonuses and offices of all of them will be gradually and systematically eliminated. as our forces advanced, instruct ukrainian territory and russia's special military operation effort. it is, you just pose this question about how fall will go in supporting you. chris is we know that keeps for its part is increasing. looking to drag native deeper and deeper into this conflict. i mean, only recently, we had the crating for him and his step pulling on nato to return to the practice of conducting training exercises in ukraine and deploying the pub bases that so

just wanted to know, in your opinion, do you think that nature will key to schools and if so, what reaction can we expect from russia? very, very to both of those are both those bases well, but there was already a, a mandatory based when nato troops afraid and that. so this is a completely legitimate target. yes, it's searching. she's looking a bit broad uh now beyond ukraine's pool, which is, i mean, we've hardly witnessing increased need to activity in the south polk. so what's the main goal of the alliance in this region? and does watch so already have an understanding of what specific methods the lights will trying to use to achieve this goal? for the money upfront, please. absolutely, there is understanding, look at nature strategic documents, which the dates defined brush as

a direct and immediate threat to the lines. they've decided. russia is a direct and immediate threat to the lights. this idea was born in their minds. secondly, by some military construction and no nato activities, wherever they had a aged containing rush out. and this time, central asia on the south coast is also regions where russia needs to be contained . russia can be contained primarily through the destruction of historical ties between russia and all places. bottom is this containment is not any about ne sites . i've told you about the us, the european union. another act is involved in this. they can tell you, brush it by preventing the strengthening of the racing economic unions, preventing the strengthening of the collective security treaty organization. and preventing the strengthening of the shanghai cooper ration organizations arrive a is about preventing you raise your news and they don't want the ration region to be shaped as a regional piece of security and harmony. and this is a nightmare for our opponents of the west. this is the trends that will likely prevail in the coming years. not because of our desire,

but because the world is becoming multi problems and economic drivers, as well as drivers of political influence is shifting as of today towards agent to create the rage and region when trying to rush on a deer are present. the overarching task is to find a new fed balance of relations that would allow firstly to maintain peace and security and stability of this well into sole problems through political mates. certainly it would create conditions for trade, economic interaction and prosperity for all the people sharing this voss ration regions. therefore, the global task lies precisely and preventing the formation of this. you ration unity to drive wages between russia and china to drive the wages between russia and india as a drive, which is, of course, between russia and his partners in the south coast as an agent. we've also seen, you said that they see peace as some kind of nightmare, but how can not be, as they say, over noted, for ca, nato is the defense of alliance. so how does that fits in with these claims of being of a purely defensive nature sorta?

unfortunately, the history of nato is the history of important to trying to shop to put it mildly because the things they have done in 1999, they bomb to state in the center of europe. they've been attacked by international terrorist and they bumped it for 78 days. they caused the tragedy and the rock and the tragedy and libya, the almost destroyed series, and many of us like afghanistan, that, that history. so i don't know what they mean when they say it has to be successful . the 1st phase of the alliance is a source of confrontation hosting division. they tell you, as it is now, does not serve the goal of coming to europe in security or even the interest sivitz . members the the

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