the companies that we might have to express thanks 4 percent from the merchant. if i read all the new p i st. ebony overnight success story is 20 years in the making . as i already said, right in india marriage is not pushed. so when question, i think this is the 1st time in our history that we have clarity and vision in terms of what he wants to achieve. the hello and welcome on no punk kid in the evolving landscape of the 21st century. the focus now more than ever is on india. my guess when i did an indian business executive and angel invested in the shop and shop tank, india and the founder off in the oldest online matchmaking service. shoddy dot com that is going on with them. thank you. sir, no problem,

can i find the dog the say my name, uh, i know how to be sharing my name with you. so am i or decided about to keep your name? i know from my mother and non you decide that. okay, and uh, you know, it was still in a new shouldn't name when i was born. you know, it means unique not competitive, but not comfortable. that's a better definition income problem. so there are 2 people sitting at a knology for boundary content. anywhere the only difference is one person has $15000.00 and the other person does everyone affecting goes. but of course made a lot of hardware and, and bet parents blessings the karmic people. yeah. the leaving the site looked like yes. what did your father do when? what is his name? his name is gopalakrishnan. does he just boss to be uh, earlier this year. uh, god, best a. so my dad uh, you know, comes from a very, um little background is father died when he was about 16 years old and he had 4 sisters and 3 brothers to look often and just on. so he has to stop school. i need

pick up a job which paid him under the bees month, including cut off and show the sony moved to them by. and by the time he came to me, he started the will it be better and done the salary? and then i was born and i son to walk my life spending, you know, 16 hours a day and look up building a life for himself. and i was, but he broke up his businesses and fixed it. and so he had a job and then made enough money to set up his own businesses. he set up factories and they'll move a lee in building b, which are far strong, some ups of them by and become an industrialist and his own right. and to come from nothing at that point is very difficult, right, and sort of just forced independence in the he was born and then sort of the opportunities were not as much as they are today. right. and the only way you could do it is to shield hard work the culmination and when, you know, i have huge respect and admiration and he's my role model. in many ways, e started out as

a very strict aggressive father in some ways. but it was the 2nd half he had become so philosophical and you know, he was very spiritual is view i buttons become a, become over time. not about what you can do for me. what, what can i do for you? so i remember i spent 10 years in the us and then i will call you, i don't need to questions used to say, are you happy? i'd say yeah that and say you need something, i'd say no, it's okay. talk to them. all right, so there was never any name coming back. what are you going to do that would need to mon, for me, for the others? what can i do for me? and so i think that was really powerful and enabling for me as an individual, but your understanding of that then that it was possible that happened later on. it happened later on i in fact kind of part of the loose. yes. i felt that was in the us can be more things was in the more involved in my life. so at some level, like kind of held it against him for a very long time and you picked up on that. but, you know, as a, into

a spect and i look back, i think it gave me the freedom and the wings to be able to do it will go anywhere and do anything without having to feel the pressure off. oh my god, i have to, you know, a dealer by my duty of being the only son and being with my parents. my father was a clock into father's department. they, they, i believe a book was essentially an engine. so when i made it and movies every conversation will end up, can you send me some more money? so after some family started irritating. so i said if you finish a conversation with that, i will not talk to you because we have been used to and then say, are you listening to what i'm not saying? so means basically saying the same thing. yeah. and many bust of it, and i ran it through shim love, and i'm a native. and i've been to some like to do is be a set of many thousands of people can because he was very popular as a bus. and he was very helpful. and then what about 50 people in the line to say

thank you to me. i need this head to 50 people. he said he was running our homes. wow, that was what he was doing with the money that i was sending data so amazing. unsung . no, not announcing non and onto. yeah, that's very much like my father of and he just bought to be a decent fee. there were people who were there from far flung areas of india and we was hoping to out his life, but he never told us either. right. so yeah, i can totally understand. i think it's very powerful when a lot of people give, but very few people who came on announced what made you come back during the after 10 years, because i saw my dad working 16 hours and you know all the time doing business. that's the only thing i knew as a teenager. i tried a few different businesses and i tried working with my dad as well since he had his business, but nothing was working out. and because i was kinda young and brash and perhaps it was very different at that point, right? we're talking, you know, 9 piece now. you know,

i mean there was just opening up as a country. we were still a very close socialist society. so i kind of blamed the city, you know, this is all because there's no opportunity or people don't get it. they don't give up their word. so i'm going to go overseas. so i took off the, on a, at an out of money. i came back home with my data between my a legs that i said the, your prop, the problem is that the all the yeah, so this the send us us is whether dreams. i mean, india that i grew up, it was very thought, don't know why that was socialist in some respects. you know, we never said anything against your a, the, some i should be just that's something gloss. you never actually question that. and the modus operandi was the pieces were read out the books and tasks, and you used to just sit and listen. and i never got that. i said, i can do this at home by my offending floss. and very interesting, even though is in the us, the 1st in class, and one of my co stored in the 2nd, the peach of steve. i don't agree with you. i was shocked to, i said, 1st of all, you're calling the teacher by his name. and secondly, you say,

you don't agree with the teacher. how is that even the boss? and i said during probably the boy, but done this out, steve, the professor, he said, tom, why don't you agree with me? can you share your perspective? i mean orange to say and off to that uh, you know, he shared with us how is it? i'm like super spit the see, look at the same problem, but my life changed me. i kept my hand up all the time just because i could say, i don't agree with maybe even if i agree. and what i realize at that point and in the subsequent the time is that your perspective, regardless of what it matters site and that was confidence. and i think from there i was able to pick up a lot and in fact, i would call those my former computers here in the i was always in trouble. i was getting the bad company. i didn't know what i wanted to just because i was getting claustrophobic bed. i started to believe in was and once that happened, when i got a job after college, it took me a while to find a job one. so what i'm in okay,

did that work? ethic, i started to believe that i could do anything i could build anything. and so, you know, after a 10 years that i said look, maybe it's time to be proud and melancholy side. maybe it's time to get back to mom and dad and you know, i've been to the father long enough and, and that's kind of when i decided that look, let's set up a company the, let's set up a business. let's see how it does. and if it starts doing while i move back and that would 10032004 is when i move that for tonight, did you do you just a tradition point then came back on because genuinely felt that it's time to do something for and then you achieve, you want to move on. that's right. that's what your graph sales life. not only as a successful businessman or the burner, but the other person on. yeah, it was a couple of things. one, the company that i was working in, you know, this was off of the dot com inclusion happen. and so it was going to its own struggles. so i knew that there's maybe not a very long future, a bright future here. but in badly i did have job offers from other companies,

wanted me to come in as one of the co founders or early employees and they were getting by the way, in my early twenties and the company i was working in, i have risen up quite rapidly. and i was a multi millionaire in my, on the 20, it seemed like, based on the paper, the fact remains that offer that i lost at all and then became bankrupt. and i moved to india and i was actually dec rejected, cleared off before i moved there because of some bad decisions. but i've done very well for myself. so there are other companies that i wanted to hire and they offered me ex salary, which was always in 6 fingers for somebody in the twenty's. i mean, you can buy any car you warranty can live anywhere you want. and they offered me leadership positions, but i always had a condo for them in terms of all for that face. but what was more right? with nobody quite recording bridge. did they have match locations? you don't have that stage in life. i don't know how in more of their decision making is it becomes more about ok. you didn't give me what i want. all right,

maybe i'm going to do something else as opposed to maybe. so what, you know, let's, let's find a way to, you know, meet off. so i think it was a bit of that and it was a bit of which, but i couldn't, i want to do something big. my dreams will becoming bigger because i just seen this whole internet thing. the come something in the us and i knew that it's going to take or the what and at some point. so my dreams are becoming bigger. at the same time, i was feeling separation, anxiety have been use so many years of rich. this circles have created this friendship and this lifestyle. i'm not going to give it out. so i did something. but i think 9 site was very smart. i started spending more than more time and engage the so 1st year i spent 34 months next to i spent 6 months and so it took me 3 years to complete the transition. in fact, after i moved back, yes for 2 years, i did not even give up the home that i had been slipping. then from here it was, it was just such a big decision. i let go of everything that i'd spend 10 years doing is that when

you started shot the dot com, that's when i started, typically you can construct a chevy back home in america. actually, i did. you did, i did, did as well in india that point this is lot has changed, but you had a software engineer was 7000 would be someone who had a designer. it was $5000.00 a piece a month. so i had done one of my vacations, hired a 70 people. it was like rounding off editing the paycheck that i was getting right . it was nothing. it was $500.00 a month. and you know, my dad had some office space which was kind of like, you know, behind the college shed, which was just a room lying around. so i started using that and then i used to work nights. so with that more light thing with these guys trying to think of different businesses, that'd be due. and he actually started a bunch of buttons and, and i've sorted a couple of them since then, but of course shoddy dot com became the most popular. so that's how people know me, but be launched. my gone dot com be launched, a couple of other gaming businesses,

either one of the 1st and the computer launch or gaming business. but charlie dot com. interesting to me was a very unique story because one of the years when i was here in india, i was very independent. so my dad at that point the, i develop the choreography and a friendship. so he wouldn't tell me. and as i said, the will you have somebody philosophically, what can i do for you? and what can i do for me? so he wouldn't come up with depression on me. that'd be you should get mad it. and these made this person. so, one day as i was sitting some, a gentleman losing his, my dad's friend came in. right. and you know, the typical condition of the way that match making happened in india. and you know, very soon within 5 minutes of the conversation, i was pretty clear for us because you know, you open up the briefcase on my desk and he started pulling or bio does what i thought really intrigued to because i was just coming from us with everything was picking a button and then it was just becoming a thing. i said how many of these body does new gaddy me? you said oh, i got a boat 5060 in my bag, but i have more. do you want to see more?

no noise. how many people do you know in your community? you said maybe 200 or so. so i said that for my choice of life box is limited by how much weight you can carry and how far you can drive it. like, oh, here he looked at me a little confused and possible and maybe a little song, but i said look, i'm not trying to the media business. my only point is why don't give me all these . i have this team of people be a bidding different because this is do you want to take them and put them on the internet? yeah. now any this in the word, but you can find the, you know, person of their dreams. why just limited to me. and he said yes, but he looked at me as if i was crazy and he never came back. the idea was right. and so he said, look, this is interesting. and so we see that it'd be, be this website i went back and what the phone was, the main to for the service. what's much more pronounced in america in the you can because these are geographically dispersed indians wanted to connect with like

minded people. and then networks table, very small desktop vehicle. so we focused on the anybody that didn't have much of an internet. and it was only a 1000000 people on the internet and their main like that for can you see that? so the business started to grow and you'll established offices in the us, you can kind of build it out. and then i move back as i said in 2004, and that became a success overnight or no, it took a while. right? yeah. if the overnight success story is twin deals in the making and they always see it, right? right. it's just that when people see it, they suddenly see it. of course we started 200-2003 with 44 percent gusto. and i think it took a few years and we started seeing some form of success. so do you think of the 2003 we had in 2024. know how come it's still sort of living? they seem to be knowing and deal. and so having live in relationships, we have much more a different outlook goods life. lots of relationships matters and thing that what

these people who use or how did you want me to buy front of them. we were best offend your best of yeah. you know, i actually just post a video and instagram recently talking about the secret to successfully manage it is. and i said in that that if you want to successfully manage mario best thing, may somebody? well, you can talk to a lot because after a few years that's all you will be doing that side. absolutely. back matter and, and so you and i, a perhaps lucky, smaller percent that just that happen to have that. but for the vast majority, and this a great question you said, why is it still relevant for the vast majority? this doesn't happen, but what happens in india, marriage is not if crushed it. so when crushed lights on the diamond a child, they're talking rhodium adage, at by somebody as indians, we loved celebrations that it is marriage. and if a man has lived enough, then it's death, thoughts. that's matter that we just need any of these and to run the streets and don. yeah, i always, i know you have the confidence to do it. open it open,

you know, live you sonya, during the holmes we came, it was back. yeah. yeah. overseas the music, but i haven't used to walk around with a heads down not to be seen right now. we do it out by do things. i think there's been a major consultation. i think it's fine. the people are proud to be right. whether it's your boss for banking, whether to 0 diplomatic relationships, whether the softball leadership is very important for any organization. by that it's a country, whether it's a company or any pursuit. and i think since independence, we've had some buckets of strongly in the shipping by and large, we've been confused to. i think this is the 1st time in our history that we have clarity and vision in terms of what he wants to achieve. and i think that is very important. the 2nd thing is the kind of leadership is not shy about who we are and our background and nice. we don't apologize for the identity. absolute side all

these here is the somehow been reading a western clause coming towards the side, but pretending to be something they are not. i. and when you start wanting up and embracing, we want, i think a lot of people to speak to more for the exact right. and so that's what i see happening. and the total fact that of course is economic success. as soon as you become a market that people want to be and as opposed to a lender snake chalmers, an elephant, and anybody now certainly wants a piece of us. i mean, the recent more these situation is a great example of softball. right? and our ability to influence people and, and, and, and the word based on a softball and, and a market economy. and it's only at the situation like this. you can tell google that. i don't like you. yeah. yeah, that's true. that's what you did. i did and, and i will continue to what is the issue of the americans? why eventually they do get to that came on all, please like they've done,

would be going with the coal. they've broken all of these up over the years, right. they're very, very active in nature, right? sometimes it's too late. and because of the companies that are creating a monopoly, sometimes it benefits them because they are going on to the monopolies all over the world. so it better force them to be late to connect these situations. but what we're seeing, the google app, or to some extent, is they have on our log swedes of the internet system to bundling and walk out and pigment off or monopolistic behavior and made it very difficult for anybody as to prosper and equal system, right? so google itself, if you think about it, is really a beneficiary of unbundling. microsoft, microsoft used to bundle in internet explorer browser to which you could access the internet. yeah. with the operating system in which, with their software moving for the case and broke the bundling up. so they could introduce chrome, which is the browser to which we are now experience the internet. so they

themselves, out of beneficiary, off and be when optimistic action. but ultimately, every company wants to be a monopoly, so i don't blame them as much as i blame governments, particularly in the west, not connecting these situations in time because i've been working, i'm to put all ship suffers. innovation suffers, customers suffer because they have less choice. what incentive do i have as a monopoly? don't give you better price, single, better products because i'm already a monopoly. so i think that's what google has done today in india, if you want to run it into the business, you'll pay google 2030 to 40 percent off your revenue as advertising, because that's the only way to access customers. and that's fed, i think, to some degree that's that you choose how much to ride with us. but now what they're saying is you would also pay anywhere between 15 percent with 30 percent off field avenue. was if you want to be on our app store. wow. so if i'm willing to

pay 60 to 70 percent of my revenue to google, how am i going to? so why is? and i think this is a thing that we missed as a company. what did you think about china that had me a handy or every one of these entities? very close and given protection, not even for i won't even say production of please give it a level playing field was domestic. i'm right. because the internet i used to produce a weapon to start just not the media. it's everything, all your data, everything besides you can these companies will have to dig it out. so if we have done that, we would have had 5 companies today in search, in email, in social media, which one each me what $100000000.00 to wonder. but in addition to the $34.00 companies that you already know, that could be transform nation for the country. these will become global companies and die right. of course, the misstep both and that's fine. but at the same time, i ended, i don't you called at the head of the all these companies is an indian,

isn't that great? how do you think in the present situation, we can come through this or we can handle this? i think there's a couple of this one is a more passively which is, you know, ncc a is already actually passed a very strong order against google us and beat on implementing it using 6 of the trade which they've learned globally. and trying to score them out of it. and that's why i said that they will end up being a very heavy benefit and badly for them because they're playing with the law and produce dispensation. and government doesn't take that like so. i think since you have come, don't have any of this of the order on that which is competition permission of india. so why does it passively be complete by using organization such as c c. i wouldn't show it. there is no monopolistic behavior in the level playing field is available to everyone and nobody's taking advantage of an ongoing companies, but i was small and medium in the process, right? that's certainly one the other way is a more active way,

which the government has already been doing. so if we look at doing today, we are the only country your credit cards are struggling because you guys become the preferred mode of payment absolute. i think companies that 3 might have an express 64 percent from the merchant is highlighted already by new p. i is 3 of what are the kind of what a piece of english and amazing by taking his own b c, which they have time to do for e commerce. what digital being towed is our health initiated, which again create common public infrastructure for those to bring up on me, we can do the same thing for that stuff that shift to shop there. yes, i find it very exciting and not finding that c o w as an actor. what i'm no acting up being myself, but there is some drama you'll see a this is actually as real as it gets b, c, the richard who comes on stage to pitch. when you see, you have no idea who the pictures you walk on stage and the see the farm dot com. what your right, i mean, you know this better than anybody else as soon as

a camera. hold on you. yeah. however, the able to show is that is some drama that comes in because you know, and you know that a theme cameras on shop then. so, you know, you become a performer that some of them may laugh to an interest in acting out on an acting school. so i, i have detect a possible act of something that, oh yes, you are john. one of the most popular acting schools. for the longest time i felt it was not, you know, deep down, maybe it was something i cherished or add value for, but you won't be always putting down, growing up, right click on do anybody you go right. this is all the books i read on adult. absolutely. i remember that when we had all of us had black and black and white televisions and then missed them a little bit. i was sort of by the knob. i was in my next door. you go to color, gave me this week and we couldn't deal with it. so we said that he's a cut up man. yeah. you have to justify for yourself. yeah. all right. and so for the longest speed it i was, i wasn't that cab at this point in my life. i think i'm really enjoying the role

that i play on shop banking. i don't know if i have the patients or the talent, be very honest to be an actor, right. i've experienced what it is. uh, you know, waiting invited events doing it in shock. thank. do you have a different floor? might be a busy 12 and the complete is driving actually organization like patients. not like that. and okay, the united way than i did. yeah. but i don't have that. i couldn't be sitting waiting for one shot, doing one shot, and then wrapping up and waiting. that's one seconds. i don't think i have the bad code. i think i'm far more effective, given everything i've known is to continue furthering onto pro shipping this country. building companies, so i think might impact in that zone, which is as far as each ad, julie sion and the recognition. i'm now getting to shop by the list that part is inactive because that's what and i think that's the only part that perhaps is very

interesting is an act on it. indeed for that is you get to play so many different professions and understand so many different facets because you have to do some level of research whenever you please. so i can get it to i think i find the equity compelling one that you would be. i think you think a 100 bucks a 100 bucks and then not. and that's a good thing that can happen because you must do something that you think you've got to take you out of your comfort. so yes, i've read somewhere that you are ex pitcher. the bus and what is good to other people. you know, we are seen as a land of believers because we have here, right? at least so many gods. but reality, historically issue located, we are lando seekers and spirituality, to me is really about seeking. and you know, when you said you are the bestest type, but that's, that's what's coming to or that's less than this. and confusion is the most creative state of affairs. that's why i don't i have not had the so called

traditional holidays. yeah. and all these 40 is that i look, i don't think i have gone to some beach and sort of lead on. and then i feel like i'm do that have not done. i kind of do that myself. yeah. and i find people say that i do. why are you so restless? why do you keep on doing that? keeps me well to am. so you had more of an angel than a shock. i'm more than a shot. i don't know if the phone, those who come and shop thing would agree with you. they think i'm always trying to get the better be. but yes, to answer that question in one word, a split of try to do you seeking, and there is no end to seeking. that's right. that's where you can go on. it was a pleasure talking to you on the same here on the phone. thank you so much. wonderful. one lovely, lovely talk to you do and thank you for watching. joining me next week for the in dm it yet engaging debate only on let's stuff out of a model from a kid. i'm a scott, the

i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence, and the point obviously, is to create a trust rather than fear the area. i mean, with artificial intelligence, we have somebody in the team in the a robot must protect this phone existence with alexis, the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy. the error is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym,

but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. press 4. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to help me living on that. we have very quick propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is, will be the by the middle of the 20th century, the portuguese colonial empire was in an acute crisis. a particularly 10 situation had developed in mozambique the people of this country were put in a humiliating position, income inequality ramp, and illiteracy. this respect by the portuguese for the local traditions led to

a mass unrest. getting 1964 in the liberation front of mozambie for a limo began its armed struggle for freedom. the regular army was not easy to resist, but that guerrillas inflicted considerable damage on the invaders through the sliders, against the colonial regime were supported by the soviet union and china. whereas the united states and great britain took the side of the invaders, the board to gaze responded to the guerrillas attacks with cruel counter insurgency . however, pre limos 10 year courageous struggle was a success after the over throw the fascist regime in portugal in 1974, the new authorities surrendered a year later, lisbon fully recognized the independence of mozambie, but the victory had been gained at a high price during the war mozambique had lost tens of thousands of his sons and

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