need to cover information we to the press and i'm not sure we should have a statute. general recovery that would cameras has done. concern feels like a ton mccain and she liked the names of covered engines like communications. intelligence has created separate, narrowly drawn statues that cover those categories of information and make it a crime. to publish that kind of information. i think that's the way to handle the problem down with the general. as much as you take covers more information that the company is trying to keep secret. as things go, it was, it was something we know. edward snowden says, now a mass surveillance, and i'll get onto your feelings in a moment. did you not tell your boss is a bother and clinton about your worries of this whitening use of a little to prevent the american public from understanding how the government work? well, clinton didn't seem to any of it,

so we saw for him for that we could talk about other issues and bottom administration. i was on the board of some because many challenge corporations. so i think that have an opportunity to raise these kinds of issues with present mentor with anybody here. the biggest range. okay, well have you absolved clinton? i'm sure some people talk about the yugoslav war in that regard. just as you could see, what happened to information during that war, let's get onto kissinger. i should say. he threatened me once on the phone, but i'm not sure why. tell me why your boss, henry kissinger, the lady henry kissinger, was bugging your phone. he was your boss as well as i was working for them on the national security council staff and the tires, close to story saying that the united states were seriously bombing cambodia and providing some of the details about how the board was being carried out. the next

thing was furious because he was trying to keep the bottom a secret. he sort of, if you can help me with the it outright and he was expanding the war and then he re forced to stop on. so he talked to them over take over then yes, the over chosen solution to every solution to everything was wired. so hoover told them where to find that it was ricky, it's worth that. so it makes it talk, isn't your figure out who understands might be doing the weekend and give those names to whoever we didn't want to tap those people and i think next in gateway they could have cases you gave my name because when i read the story because the slip is over and mix, and so what i agreed, the story and the way to protect himself looks to give my name to the appeal. what, what a lovely, lovely man, of course, kisses you had big doubts about the ukraine conflict before he. he died. you, however,

are as hawkish has ever on bad. you think that the united states and endangers its national security? if zalinski doesn't win the war, i do, i always seem to claim administration when we were urging the, the ukraine government to give up its nuclear weapons. you remember when the soviet union fell apart and want to create weapons, it several states that this new independent states, when we put so we one of those was ukraine, which had a substantial number of nuclear weapons ukrainians where we wanted to give it to him. we go together with the russians, harrison, and to give up the new cri with this to turn the back to russian pending return rusher. and the united states both promised me that we would defend them because they retired to any state that was a nuclear weapons. power, and of course they happened and we have no, we chosen that's in the troops,

which i understand. but i think we move in military equipment and support so that they can preserve their independence. yeah, but it is really to do in the us security. why over the dead bodies of ukrainians, and as for that to a nuclear weapon deal, which happened while you were working there in the clinton administration? you think victoria newland would have the range? the 2014 qu is mean fluid from that. the phone cool. if you crane had nuclear weapons, russia would have moved much more swiftly, arguably to protect the people in east and ukraine. don't you think? i'm not sure how you sort of them. nuclear really puts in that useful who you know, status ever figured out and actually use them to the page, the policy entries. so i'm not sure it would be the difference. so i thought that's why you were, you were mentioning it in that regard. but i think the fundamental question is

annoyed. austin was saying congress in the past few days. look, this is about helping the industrial base of the united states as much. and that's a quote from him, as it is about ukraine. don't you think the rest of the world, which clearly is trading with russia? most of the world is ignoring these nato nations sanctions. they think if the united states really seriously thinks what happens in ukraine is a threat to the american people, the american military should be fighting their rather than the making the ukrainian a generation of ukrainians die for this. i don't think we're making the creeds, i think so as i can tell, the war is supported by the vast majority of the creed. people who do not want to be part of russia and are volunteering and fighting too much numbers. i think united states always in the support and to fight more

because they didn't care things which is fine to be part of a brochure in the united states is not having an interest separate from your grades . i can't keep the russian so green river report suggested that they as a one to 10 fatality ratio and this conflict discussion rates are rocketing any your every european city as will of ukrainians are fighting ages of uh uh, i'll give you a left left the country so you are a firm believer that the $61000000000.00 will make all the difference to the war effort, even though the fed lloyd austin, i think even said to 61000000000, is recycled to arms. companies in the united states is that lensky will get any of that money for a few months. yet, even if it didn't locate, the group are designed to see who gets a webpage. but what do i seem to say is we use the money to buy weapons,

so american weapons, manufacturers protect ship those records to create. so they hit the weapons and money and the tech stays in the united states. we simply by the weapons and then ship 10 to create a doctor helping. i'll stop you there. more from the former official in the obamacare into nixon johnson. and you have gave ministrations after this. break the the c cosby nature strong and successful people to realize their dreams. but it won't cost. and how long must they wait before that 1st blast of? yes, which isn't present to the 50th results, which it is not spends most produce the option to features this is about an office executive and his spontaneous decision to quit trying to become

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welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with fuller official to the category johnson nixon, clinton 100 bomber administration. the card advisory council chair of j street, doctor morton helper. and doctor albert, you are talking about how important it is to continue the war in ukraine. why do you think it is that, i mean, we had the reagan official on the show, the other week, a former assistant secretary defense telling us, you know, if necessary the united states would use it's nuclear weapons, rams tinetta base if it became necessary. so important is ukraine. why? i mean, do you believe that russia is interested in invading poland or from so britain at that seems to be the kind of thing i have to be blinking says on a regular basis. if you, if you let them go into your grade and he's going to take over paris by next year,

you're really much more about the baltic states. and i do that. why would you want to take finland? seriously? russia is the lowest country. you're still, you're right for you. and with the rain you and those states were part of the so we know sylvia junior, they broke away actually some of the before the breakup of. so the appointment shown in, in georgia and elsewhere around his boys. he's not satisfied with the boys that we joined during the breakup of the soviet union, and i think he will continue to push until he stops for what purpose wrong for his purpose is to re recreate soviet empire. i think he, you know, you said it was a great mistake, the greatest mistake of the century was for. so you, you think, wow, this stage to break?

well, if it's more of a separate company, that they're what part of what they should very close at hand, that he has a secret obligation to try to reach to reset. and i think he will push adobe stuff . well, he always says that is not the goal. but you don't see that there are echoes of what you're saying there, about a present day russian veneration. and what the, the nixon administration of the johnson i'm kennedy administration said about how important the war vietnam was. and the bolton size was nixon by the address of a destroying cambodia. do you don't see any echoes of that? the truth here is it is always difficult to tell whether wars one it's trust or not. when it was one that is in the american interest to fight with that. and that is an issue that has to be faced and reserved every case. but the

fact that one concludes that the via, the more was not of just work was not well, we can win because we run one of the site does not mean that ukrainian was the one that we can read. and there's not a trustee, or it may be that it's also and on just for you as a s, samples of the about each floor. and it's not the case that no worries, no worries friday. and it's not the case there rewards for slightly. so each one has to be taken on its own merits, of course, of course. but then we now have the revelations of the c. i a had bases in ukraine ahead of time. we have the cool about the victorian newland talking to jeffrey po. what was happening in 2014, if russia or china started putting the secret intelligence spaces on the mexican border of the united states would be united states we justified in

the, in the advancing into mexico to take them out. i mean, i need the context aside. be different because of course they were russian speak as being the prosecutors nice and ukraine. i don't think we would have the right to go into mexico. and i think it was a mistake to explain the i was against new expansion. greer was mistaken. country to the insurance is 3, a, give it to russia. well, what we're happy to see a lot of tribute to beautifully. and i think we should have made a deal if we could have that entirely clear whether it was past reservation that you create would not become part of the day of that nature. would that station any over in military forces or clandestine code? well, why not know why not have peace talks now to end the was the landscapes made it legal to have peace negotiations that were of course, the ones in his temple. why do you just support more weaponry?

being born in the visuals? i'm always in favor of exploring nicely what a brand new work and i would certainly be in favor of offering the russians an agreement that these, that you create with that become part of the day. you know, then they over that station forces in ukraine and easier over it forces with quite this and forces and that the weight, sorry, don't tell me. this is exactly what the russians said. they want to dismiss. to see, you know what you're saying, there's nothing more in the independence of ukraine. your original jet when they started work, just to catch bruno of ukraine. no, i the where are you getting that from? because the objective always since the minutes records was for a neutral ukraine just as you've outlined there. now, of course, the russian veneration says, look, it's too late because clearly these western pads got be trusted and they need to buffers a. but even then i don't know, maybe they are open a little booting,

says is he wants negotiation and it's now too late to negotiation. now gives me because previous negotiations of mean double crossed, never too late. and i think it was clear that he wanted to capture on a few crate that's similar to ukraine's expected. and president of ukraine, you know, was debating whether to leave the country or when i'm trying to go on to korea. but other that is right now, where were you? i mean, i think it is time to start to work. and as i said, i think some concessions. some should be be soviet security concern slow, clearly ran, i get, i get, i much was deal and they could have before arguably. and as i said, roger has made it clear that they haven't had any interest in taking ukraine. just thought, start with the, let's go to that other war the by the ministration is involved in the weapon ising

and boring millions of dollars, annoying zelinski as well because the landscape is the same. the weapons that we're headed, his way of going to be sent to nothing. yahoo, why do you think the bible administration is continuing to pull weapons into israel uh, to, to, to bum gaza when it doesn't help him elect truly. it doesn't help him into nationally in terms of reputation. it doesn't help the united states is reputation . a and a part for me, i suppose some profit making by weapons companies in the united states that say anthony blinking consulted for and lloyd austin worked for what is the advantage of continuing to send 2000 pound booms to and that's in yahoo. well, publicly saying don't, don't use them. i don't know. i think it's a major mistake to set those with. and i think the united states needs to make it

clear that it does not support a new invasion and 2 cards on the edge weapons can not be human. anything we support cannot be used for that purpose, and that it's time to open up the borders of when you made a terry assistance pit search if we needed. and i think bind is now finally beginning to push in that direction or the serious way. and i think here 0 is will at least some of comply with that because they all have to pay the burg support. well mind story about appear rather than any great success with the tonnage of food coming in. but you didn't really answer me. why is he doing this then? what does that mean? you being in these administrations? what, what are the, what are the conflicting conversations in the oval office about such an obedience is had, you know, bring this community to life believing that you should be supported. believing

that it's right to exist in scro, you thoughts, but feeling the political pressure in that direction? i mean, it's always been the case up until now, but the pressure on president was to support issue and it's no, it's dramatically the category change. and i think by this i get caught up with that, but i think they now understand beginning to move in that direction. a debit is too late, isn't it for the international reputation, these cases we'll continue legally, obviously. you know, it's, uh, he's meeting with the rocky prime minister. i'll see donny while if he's bombing iraq in the past few weeks. obviously, britain in the united states, the bombing human for us all of their already action for their shipping and biographies railing goods. tell me about madeline albright. what, what,

why did she appoint new director policy planning under clinton? it was a little bright, is famous in this region of west asia, for thing it was a price was paying when $500000.00 maybe children were killed by us sanctions on iraq. i'm not familiar with that. quote, i don't know why she picked me. i knew were right known her for years, and people in our staff were there were some people want us to have very close to me. and i think very soon with me. but she never said i had to call that or that will asking whether i really except to try the policy planning direction or if i was offered. and i said that would and because we have that all the right of us, we don't, we are. what did it feel like when the tent and bomb, the chinese embassy in belgrade, and i handed the total destruct break up of yugoslavia. you were there and was there a fever of intervention and costs that obviously,

bombing the chinese embassy and remember cookie. i never was able to get to the bottom of what, what that was, whether somebody deliberately disney and if so, for what reason. but i think the intervention to stop. what was the other side of can speak comfortable obedience was justified. i think the policy started me went ahead, but if you're willing to recognize the cost of it, so then you have no problem with vladimir booth in recognizing crime you a lot of the russian veneration the thing was new, there was no ongoing effort to play the part of the, of the government of ukraine to massacre and drive out the russian speaker. so there you can try me. i think the right people to break away from the government is condition going to have being mastercard underway. or we have a,

you know, and have a problem with the referendum in this case, if to realign view is it was nato bombing, and then some unilaterally against the international community and against any un resolution. recognizing cause or some kind of separate country. and then imposing a referendum where indeed they voted the way the washington like is very, are there any similarities between what that is and what the russian government thinking reasons using mistake to recognize the independence. because though the agreement was, the customer would come under the un security kansas supervision in the future. so determined by negotiations among the interesting parts, including the service and the cost of helping needs and subject to approval by the security council. and i think the decision to declare customer independence and to

recognize that independence wasn't mistaken. a violation of the security council resolution, which way to the security council supervising, comfortable, and are great, very much of things. yeah. well, most countries, i don't think really recognize it today except western european ones, but then do you think and clearly you voice concerns about donald trump's election? what's your view about his political persecution? as he says, it's leading opposition leader in the polls and on the cost of, of jail all the time, every other week from pauses and political authorities allied to the by the justice department. as far as the you hear from the trump campaign, what do you think that looks like for the rest of the world? because it's trump, who's being done under the espionage act we spoke of earlier. you will use using logic. again,

same is different because it's for miss single the request for that information, not giving it to the press, but simply storing it where it can be stored and refusing to return it when you're asked to return it. but it's a separate crime and it's one that doesn't comprise the 1st amendment issues. the way the assigned case starts. but i think there were genuine issues. and i think this white hook up and the fewer physical action lines people to say when we used to be very careful about going down the page. i was trying to invite phone to presidents. i think that's very dangerous. but i, but you woke up to it with the january 60 day, the doctor more than to help her and thank you. thank you and that's up in the show. i'll continue condolences to the survivors of u. s. u k. you nation, i'm kidding. in palestine, syria, yep, and 11 in the around the rock will be back with

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the the hello and welcome to cross cut bullhorn john peter labelle. and here we discussed some real names. i ran, has retaliated, is the us getting ready for a wider war and how many wars is the biting administration planning on fighting? how many can it when to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and the mirror with the cache. we have martin j. e, as an award winning journalist and commentator, gentleman across stockwell is in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out as usual with george in budapest. well, george, you don't have to.