a but yes, the hello and welcome to cross cut bullhorn john peter lavelle. here we discussed some real names i ran, has retaliated, is the us getting ready for a wider war and how many wars is the biting administration planning on fighting? how many can it when to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast. read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and america, cash. we have martin j e as an award. winning journalist and commentator, gentleman across stockwell is in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out as usual with george in budapest. well, george, you and i've talked about it so much on this program and on our podcast as well we,

we like everyone else was waiting for you around to react to the april 1st bombing of its consulate in damascus. well, it is happened. it's about 331 different types of projectiles. israel claims they've destroyed almost all of them, minor damage, but that's their version of the story. ran says it was an overwhelming success we would if we wouldn't have expected differently from both parties. what does this all mean? because really what it gets down to is that all the discussion now is not about the genocide, but will or israel react um in kind or escalate your thoughts. george? where is the city right? them is the, that's the is now the discussion because, um the united states. and this is, i think as the surprise of all of this, the united states, united kingdom, france joined israel in, um, in fighting office um, droning the sile attack, that's

a very explicit commitment. yes. and that is a, a surprise no pending made this commitment. it seems as if the united states, so far as we can believe, the media posts the united states is now pressing israel, not to retaliate and kind not to be provoked into uh, into launching an attack against the wrong. well, that's a hopeless, a in depth. i isn't, isn't just going to say what all right, well, enough is enough. we'll, we'll go there today, which is iran that's around this position which is, well, we regard this affair is now over, but is read is going to say no, this is not over. this is just the beginning. so at this stage, i mean is the why the united states and said, well, we don't want lives in the yahoo to do this. and if not, then the yahoo does attack iran. we will not join him. well,

that's not really, you know, within the american jurisdiction because it goes, if it is well, it doesn't that get right. and then, you know, all bets are off. i mean, it's like you think it'd be nice, nice isn't going to be able to say, well, we, we, we didn't have anything to do with it because you've already made this commitment, you already helped israel. then what was, after all, a retaliatory strike with israel stop at the whole thing. iran retaliated the united states britain and found a, you know, a joint israel is sliding off this retaliation. well, you will have now bought this, do the conflict exactly. iron clad commitment during and now it's going the i'm glad commitment afterwards. you know, martin is very interesting. if you look at the reaction in western capital's, um, uh, there is no condemnation even at the united nations security council. but israel did in, in the bombing the uranian consul,

it in damascus. but now they're coming out in lock step, saying this is out of self defense, but they, it's, it's really quite a whimsical, isn't it? is that it ran, did it be, it did it's action in self defense against an action taken against it, but half the story is not reported. yeah, certainly. and that's a very, very typical. so what's the major british made especially is that we haven't gotten notice that we haven't got the correct perspective. so john was writing the now to, which is really what, you know, that doing something to please the most is the, until a. so this isn't the government in the state in germany just in the last few days a conference happened supposedly hosted by young. this very focus from the greek climate finance minister was canceled by the drum. please just shut it down completely. you know, we've, you will not have debate, you will not talk well martin, it's really interesting. it was pointed out to me that if that conference had

occurred, we never would have heard about it. but because it was shut down, we've all heard about. this is the, the new uh, getting negative returns. keep going. yeah. it's, it's stupid. i mean, you know, the classic way of promising a book is going to find, you know, and it's the same with media. so now they've got more, you know, and the, the published indian academic from, from vasquez couldn't actually fly in and give his space. he was threatened also with even putting online. so this gives you an idea of just how, how flesh as we become, we all know, especially societies. and the very thing that we claim to fold in the 2nd level now is devouring. what was the sun? this is partly, you know, why you have a situation where by and random can do what it did of the weekends and it doesn't get reported that quickly. and it gets important in a certain way, which presumably will promote these right. is us drawer says to i'm take it to the next level. you know, what's interesting, what's really interesting about what happened over the weekend was it, it was by message. it was very precise and i think it was very small. and the

rightness to do exactly that. they sent over 300 trends. they knew most of those trends to be intercepted. they knew the minimum casualties. but you know, it busted little miss a little miss. you know, the main one, the way we haven't said it yet, but that was the 1st time it ran was attacked. is really right. yeah. even you didn't think that was possible. yeah, you said of the last shows it probably is. so the proxies would get involved, but actually had run so, so that's something for these ladies to really think about, you know, that, okay, next time we decide to hit in radians in syria. we know what to expect or perhaps was perhaps it would be not $300.00 trends, but $600.00. but the point is that they wouldn't have been able to defend themselves if it wasn't for the americans, the british, and even the joe daniel. so, you know, and then another mist busted, you know, joe thing hilton's king. abdullah opened up the space for his range at some british already f just into set these trends. so there was a lot of lessons love and i think it is around wanted to deliver a message very clearly. it really succeeded. i think it was

a moral victory for his right. unless for israel, because this role isn't going to none, the less of this role is going to look at now how it come retaliate, and that will be the breaking point of the west. you say the cost on agreements of the i think i think the bible's mind very clear, but he won't go further. if it's real goes further, you know, now where would is real hit? you know. right. what is good? what is the stop these railey is what is, what is what they're getting. a green line here. you know, church, it's interesting. we have a some interesting cemetery here. you said in your answer internally martin. you know, the, the main, the headline story is that it ran attacked israel in response, least on this program response to the attack on its embassy. but you had a missiles coming in from iraq 11 on the m. and you've already mentioned how the u, the u. k and france and others have helped israel. we're getting symmetry here. this is something we all have talked about for weeks and weeks now. is that the,

the of the access of resistance is real. go ahead, george. well, it certainly is a real look, but the question is then, where do you take this? how far do you want to take this? because when you're dealing with israel, when you're dealing with a pilot, that isn't restrained by the normal constrains that bind other powers. so when, when does it get that? apparently, i mean, like again, we're only going by medium because apparently the binding has on, has, has told me it's in the avo. hey, you want take the wind. don't take it any further. um, well let's say he did say this, um, that doesn't bind this in the yahoo in any way. it's full. and um, and we know, you know, and there's a long history of this. that is royal has one to 2 embroiled the united states and a war with iran for many,

many years. and this has been going on ongoing thing quickly. this prime minister of i is really exactly in the notes in the our, in the policy was always all we're going to hit the around the nuclear facilities. we're going to hit the runs new bip as soon as knowing that if it wrong retaliates, then somehow the united states gets sucked into the war. well, john says, all that's what is going to happen now, is there a will hit iran's nuclear facilities? your own will doubtless reach out if it's going to be hot. so the united states, the stay out of this war will be no doubt bite in the blink. i'm sorry, no, no, no, we don't want any escalation. we're not going to get involved. you know, we're not about it to accomplish. it's going to be quite hot once you've made this initial commitment, going to be hospice. they out. george martin the the 1st question i wrote down for this program in my notes and i'll pitch it to martin right now. the good, the last program is that i always give the good questions of george on give a good one to you know, who's controlling the narrative. martin?

yeah. yeah, that's, that is a very good question. um, who isn't the dog? what him to, to walk in the tale all the time is like an adult, a thing, and the next 24 hours or 48 hours. we'll see, we'll see what the biden is able to actually show how i think most of america is an how much israel needs america and breast some of the few other key allies on that side. but i don't agree with george. i don't think these writing these off that stupid adult can never go that far to kit nuclear installations inside iran. i think that will live assassinated. their science test will be the survive. do i mean i don't see how there are, i think the, let me finish it. it's only limited now that i'm limited unlimited. go ahead and let me make my point. i think whether it will fit where they, if they do want to escalate it further and make that point. but i think they'll do is they'll go for iranian soldiers in syria, which there are many, you know,

the last 2 or 3 years. a lot of american radian ministry installations been built, which isn't reported so much of an arrangement. i mean, this is one and see what you're writing. i think that will be and it'll be strikes and you know that i don't want to make that point that way. now on that point, when we get to that point, then we have a real tipping point because then london and washington will have to decide, you know, we need some common sense here. you know, is, is by doing, really going to start an election campaign with a, with a, with the, with a 3rd war. you know, a opening up. i mean, it just seems not so, you know, we, we never been this far. we know this is new ground, the americas. no american presidents ever really wanted to take on around, you know, war and if, what, edging towards the, you know, this and which seemed suicide full for the button administration. and for the west in general. you know, i mean, and the other, all the other thing which i wanted to make point a thought is that there must be people in the minutes in israel, or close to nothing. you know who, which are telling him about the practicalities of having a side front, you know,

can we really take only run when we go gossip? this boiling point, we're about to go in to rough. uh, you know, if we, if we took the escalation to the next to the next level and started looking at around as an enemy, that would mean has, but it was stopped hitting us on, on northern border as well. and the big fear list have been talking about for months now, is the hezbollah this time, as opposed to 2006? this time will go in for land invasion of a northern strip on this? well that's, that's part of the defense. that's part of the strategy, which is probably the wisc kept secret in the middle east. yes, i always at the end of the day is that they have their, their high card. it's called the united states. and given the rhetoric coming, then it'd be an odd sites. they have not put themselves into a position where they cannot say no to israel. they can say no to a genocide. they won't say no to a war. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some we'll need to stay with r t the

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making decisions about the mit. it's like sikes pico all over again here. i'm sure they're not aware of it. there. they have no sense of irony about their um, the way the how they see the world. but the world sees them in a very specific way. these old colonial powers like going to come in and intervene again. it's amazing, george. that's a very good question. um, because the j 7 is a very narrow group of uh, countries. um, i think of pretty much all of them are all members of nato. think 6 of them with the exception of the japan. japan is essentially kind of a satellite state of the united states that these as far as foreign policy is concerned. and it's in a very interesting binding this, the initial response is what we're going to go to the uh, the g sevens on those or uh, allies. and that somehow this helps in any way, because up for hook kit, you're dealing with the countries that are not allies of the united states and they are aligned with other countries. the girls are not allies of the united states. so

it's a very narrow focus. and um, you know, obviously the normal place you would go with, or it will have a meeting at the un security council. but that was in the united states as the initial uh, response. and in fact, they gonna, you know, the, the un security council, the other than that, you make the usual combinations of the iran and suggest that iran was acting as the address. oh, which is what the americans are me saying, which i don't really know bab up was saying what originally soon act was saying of it and no doubt they gonna smile this thing i think at the un security council meeting. but what is a really interesting here is that by doing this, essentially the united states is escalating things you try. i mean, that's a bit precise. if you go to this narrow group, this narrow, the bunch of states that are closely aligned with unites, it's always support us foreign policy and never criticize us. bump us your

essentially escalate to because your central leave say that hey we all with israel, we are committed to israel and whatever happens next, we have israel's backs. well, that's an escalation or, well, you know, martin, you already brought it up here. but, you know, in an election year, joe biden, who is not doing bit, were very well in the polls. and as i always say to our audience, here's an maybe summer time. i'll start looking at some of the holes more seriously . but, you know, you have under a biden's watch, you have the catastrophic withdrawal from afghanistan. those images from couple are still with us here. we have the, the, the proxy war and ukraine award that never should have happened in the 1st place. and obviously the genocide going on and gaza, there is, and stationing troops in taiwan. of course it ran into the perennial enemy here and has blow they got in on the act over the weekend as well. um, how many wars can bite and um, um, uh,

give attention to okay. and as i said in my introduction, how many can a, when, what yeah, how many, how many can you mess up? you know, because there you go a bit better, you're phrased it better than i did. yeah. if you just put, if you just write last a list even before him, you know, going back to the 2nd one. well, i mean, they'll just dozens of examples where america with this west and button is often written, you know, just plowed into countries. i'm just going involved in internal conflicts. i'm messed up. i left just a trait of have a clemency behind them. you know, just more recently, you know, you, you mentioned ukraine a now garza and, and it's, i think the american public when they look at it's, i remember buttons administration. but when they look back at it, and they reflect on it, and some of the more, no less leaning media to these kind of a video montage in the last few weeks. elections of, of biden's from policy footprint. and you've been, you have the classic eye clinic,

you know, i'm footage of thousands of people running along with the, the s trip a couple apple with that sees one. so i suggest, i think it was, you know, these images, people, people will start to the current, understand foreign policies. yeah. we have is blue color, look in america, but they can understand, you know, how constantly there was this repetitive same, went by the ministry. industrial complex makes a huge amount of money, a politician simply very happy in oral driving around a new cause and buying liptrot's. and yet food of the supermarkets getting more expensive gas front gas pump prices are coming up. you know, more americans are losing the homes. people will start to understand the fund militarized for them, for them. policy is just basically does officer for the country. well, i, you know, i have to push back on that a little bit, george, because we meet in the event. we're all veterans of how this propaganda machine works me of yeah, well prices are up because it ran ok because it ran it's about threatening israel.

okay. it's a mouse is fault. okay. they, they never take responsibility for their own actions. it's always, of course, and of course rush is always had filed for whatever you want in the climate change may be even. so, um, but the, you know, i think really to the point here, george is that with all of the complex that i mentioned and went in with martin had to say, here is the united states vulnerable. and it is the, is the west vulnerable because it, there seems to be some kind of tipping point going on here. now, is that, you know, this was there, there's a swarming effect trying to get the media. i mean, you got a feel profit, bad for the wind speed crowd be getting. everybody is going to be just about them because of the order of business and congress, you know what it's going to be on monday morning. george support for israel. go ahead. but loose, right, and let's say that it is easy to say, oh yeah, so go go back to 1945. it's old. you know, us incompetent u. s. foreign policy,

but there have been errors since 1945 in which the us exuded competence. the us achieved foreign policy goes, i mean, you know, the vast complex treaties was signed with above by the united states. you know, a boss network of agreements sign in by the united states. i mean, we'll help set the helsinki process to speak of the we talked about the, the nixon era. and we talked about these, you know, again, one major agreement officer and all the, and these work foreign policy accomplishments. now, something is going wrong in recent decades, was meant to say, hey, the influence of the neo cons. but because what we have now is the united states kind of reacting from one crisis to another, getting itself involved in one crisis, offering another without any overarching vision. of what it's trying to achieve because it's somehow, well, you know, we, we, we, we have to support the landscape as of all your credit and we have to have is rails

back. but at no point does the united states think, well, what is, what is the united states go? what does the united states trying to achieve? what, what, what is it, you know, what, how does the united states envisage the world and the next 1015 years? and that's what least what you had back, you know, 3040 years ago will release. you had a, you know, a president who was thinking in those terms. so i think there's been a drastic decline in us foreign policy leadership. and the opposed to uses of all of this is by the, by that was, they get all hopelessly incompetent. is head filled with some illogical platitudes that you never really understood the goes back to the 19 ages and i think now you list all of these things. you know, we had the, the bite and meeting with the japanese prime minister and the with, with the philippines. the problem is that, um that's, that's direct to that. a china. we got the whole, the zalinski thing, ongoing, still demanding that the morning will be sent to your grades. and now we've got

this. so it's a, you know, a past, you know, complex of issues and the arts, this has no idea what to do other than go continue down this path. it was, it certainly not to entertain ideas of diplomacy, as george rightly pointed out. okay. so the, the great for him, the great struggle as we all 3 were coming up was the cold war and it was managed, okay, it was manage, we avoided war. but more on, i'm very cynical about this. and of course, you know, i've looked at the major headlines before we started here. it is very pro israel. what, what, what else would you expect from western media? but it seems to me, it's more of a cover. i think they've very little coverage and will on the almost none in western media is what's going on in the west bank. it is target for risk. what is going on right there to the, the, the, the, um, the, the destruction of the land and people of guys, it continues unabated. but we're not talking about it. okay?

and i think this is all very intentional. it was israel that started the probably cation by attacking the the consulate in damascus. and that's exactly why i ask you that question. who was controlling the narrative? i think they are. go ahead martin. we're taking the rise of the boat and was that's um, yeah. and so it was actually exactly the settlers in the west bank taking advantage of this window to doing whatever risk costly acts they think the justified doing this cause is not getting reported. the other thing is not getting reported about westbank, is that it's becoming completely notice that the, these various searches that now just losing control completely was that correct downs, with the data, assess the nations and the kidnappings and legal arrests. you know, it's off the scale. now, well, it's also of scale, which is also not being reported is the number of iranian um, is which of being pumped into the west bank. so this is something else which is bubbling in the background. you have now, you know,

an insurgency in the making. iran is using this influence in the region to continue to use the joint of to ship by roads a lot of legal on small arms. so that's another cool drug that we would expect to stop bubbling up, you know, in the future. but you know, i'm, i think we're, we're, we're, we're looking at a, a catastrophe now on a level that we've never really been able to understand to, to, to, to, to, to go back to george's point. yeah. the americans might have a lot of headway in the 60 seventy's and perhaps eighty's when they were super. but when they were the sole superpower, you know, we receive a part of that science and that i mention, you can make mistakes because everybody's, it gives you, everybody says the, that's america. you know, you can pull out of them as a right of, of it. now and then one says yeah, okay, so, so what, you know, americans big enough to carry on with that seen a this venue because um, callous. well i, i think name is a democratic towards be that they really were there mishaps i have

occurred and let you got like a 40 seconds here is that they abuse the unipolar moment and that moment is closed . go ahead, george. i think so. and i think that i'm back in the 6th and 7th is 8, is they was a rival, which was a piece of military rival, which was the, the soviet union. and the united states was back to the united states of bel pay. we kind of share the planet with them. we kind of get into a, in a dangerous escalation with them this, since the uni pulled a moment. you know, i say, says we, you know, we won the cold war, we dissolve the winnings. and we're going to take the winnings phone with us. and even though you know all the others is suggesting that way and we'll take it, we'll take the winnings and, and this is how they use their, their victory and pirate can make 3. i would say that's all the time we have gentlemen, when think, my guess americans and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc. you next time. remember prospect rules

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