[000:00:00;00] the, the disturbing images it has at least 11 people, including children are campbells and, and is really, are a striking on a refugee camp in central towns that caused the death toll there since october 7th reported 3 years $34000.00 people also coming off the georgia in prime minister, it pushes for the adoption of us. foreign agents law does the countries, presidents vows to veto with? we discuss the controversial bill with our correspondence. please just return to most go after being the portrait from said police say we got too much attention from the at the i the security agencies wherever we came to the west. the

creator of the telegram up opens up the tucker carlson about the pressure exerted on and company ivy f b i. and how awful and google to make for stronger sensors than any government the across the world around the clock. this is art. see wherever you're at catching, then use our from today. hello, and welcome at least 11 people, including children helping kills. and then there's really are a strong on the mcgaffey refugee camp in central gals. i wouldn't disturbing images are ahead. bodies were brought to the alex, the hospital for distraught relatives bid farewell to their loved ones. prayers were held, i'd side the building over the bodies of the victims before they were taken away for berry. while another is really strongly kit a refugee camp in southern rough uh,

near the egyptian border. children were also among the dead there 2, according to palestinian health officials. well, so far the number of palestinians killed in 6 months of war has reached over 33800 people. i'm children make up more than 40 percent of that figure. according to the end types, health ministry, they add some 76000 gallons. have been wounded. the turkish president has again strongly criticized the killing of children and conflict with red chip or the one comparing israel's actions with of, of enough to germany. good children, they killed 14000 children, 14000 children. their actions had already surpassed. people are really going to, despite those who did not see the death of 14000 innocent children and tried to curry favor with ease. well, by claiming that from us is a service organization. we will courageously defend health science,

struggle for independence under all circumstances. meanwhile, google is headquarters in the us helping grip by pro palestinian protests in california. a new york, the tech jobs employees along with active risk gather to condemn what they call the corporation, supports office really actions in counseling. protesters stage demonstrations onto the slogan, know tech for the parts side. they called on google chiefs to drop projects nimbus, a cloud computing project, b i. d. f. less than in on muslim employees also claim they faced harassment and bullying which the company has failed to address. some employees were reportedly arrested after sits in protest plus the, the biling class has broken and hidden room after students took to the streets the monday and to in the a tell you in capitals, se, se universities cooperation with israel on academic projects for testers,

reported they try to break into a meeting of the colleges academic senate who a similar case was recently seen in the us who are the university of southern california, which has publicly supported at palestinians pencils. it's valedictorian. speech of this year's graduation over secure rate and fears, or correspondence shar, takes a closer look now at high voices are being signed as it has long been believe. that's a breeze. someone's freedom of speech or thought might almost be considered a deadly sin. at least that's how the west has been promoting their values to be. and there may be a bit of truth in it until you are fully still on the line with what they see fit. the university of south california, for instance, has decided to cancel. it's valid for you in speech at this year's graduation of the kind of full consideration. we have decided that all student valedictorian will not deliver a speech had to come months, months while this is disappointing,

tradition must give way to safety. to be clear, this decision has nothing to do with freedom of speech. there's no free space entitlement to speak of the commencement. the issue here is how best to maintain campus security and safety period. they claim that it's all for security reasons, but the real reason might just struck you as not. the bottom is not shy from using her voice for the policy or cause in her instagram biography. she links a profile, assign page for anyone interested to learn about how to sign her believes or no secret. so it's no surprise that she feels as if her university has a band and her and chose to silence her instead as just stresses. by canceling her speech, the university is rewarding hatred and some of them and, and see palestinian voices have subjected me to a campaign of racist hatred because of my uncompromising belief in human rights for

o. i was hoping to use my commencement speech during spy, my classmates with a message of hope. by canceling my speech, u. s. c is only given to fear and to vote in hatred. but she's not alone. daniel saw a professor at the city university of new york with extensive years of teaching behind him was fired after he criticized israel's actions in gaza. the decision to pull my contract was made unilaterally by school president carol me and because of pressure she failed from outside of the university. i was fired because of my outspoken as about the united states and israel's ongoing genocide of the people of gaza. zionist forces with no relationship to the john jay college community dock, to me, friend me and ultimately gotten me fired. and well, when it comes to though, is there a declared themselves as the last bastions of free speech. they most definitely are quick to change their minds once something does not fit their narrative phrases such as genocide, ethnic cleansing or occupied territory when covering the warrant,

gaza, our know goes for new york times journalist several times workers believe that these restrictions, according to the, is rarely narrative, i think is the kind of thing that looks professional and logical if you have no knowledge of the historical context of the palestinians, riley conflict. but if you do know it will be clear how apologetic it is to israel, or how about when a b c presenter came under fire when describing israel's attacks and gaza as murders. it was a whole or deal on his own to the point where the prime ministers spokesperson was even demanding complaints to be made directly to the broadcaster impartiality in reference to the bbc is absolutely paramount. complete should be raised to the bbc to off. com in the usual ways if people feel they have issue with the way in which the bbc reported that. more broadly though, israel is an ally of the u. k. is the victim of brutal terror attack and clearly

has a right to defend itself. we should all be careful without words at this time, particularly even hide them coming to tensions in the u. k. that same spokesperson highlighted that prime minister wishes to not would not have used the word murder to describe those tens of thousands of beds in gaza. and no worries that everyone else came quick to israel's rescue. even by the bbc standards. this is shocking. buzz is real, does not get civilians. the country is defending itself from a brutal tyra tag and making strenuous efforts not to harm civilians. the bbc should watch and immediate investigation into the slightest example of an on to is ro statement by one of its present as outrages biased from the bbc as well as the nation being its act. the actual victims seeking to defend themselves from further attacks. bytes hatteras who have the stated aim of the store and israel, mtv and juice. i suppose the less than here is try to challenge that policies or

say one wrong word about israel and you're going to be a disgrace. there's been some controversy about awards. i used when i was interviewing the foreign secretary. my final question was about the bas, the morales of the government's position. in particular, the risk that their position could appear to look like active support for israel when it is under attack. but nothing other than words when israel attacks the mode is tens of thousands of innocent pals. students, i should have been clear that i was not expressing my own view, let alone that of the bbc. when i use the words modus, double standards, hypocrisy is freedom of speech. even we'll in the world at this point, or is it just the facade they're using to continue to scold every other nation on please page whenever they see fit? okay, know the story to bring you the prime minister of george essays, the government will not screw up. it's foreign agents. bill, despite the criticism coming from certain countries,

that's as pro testers have gathered outside the parliament building and the capital tbilisi for a 3rd, dana ro, demonstrators wave george in an e u. flags sounds. they condemn the legislation, which is aim to providing more from foreign see about the foreign funding of energy owes on media outlets in the country. today's ongoing raleigh appear is peaceful so far, but protests turn violent on choose say, you know, it's demonstrators plus with police. the with also yesterday tuesday, our correspondent, the old quarter,

was detained by georgian authorities upon arrival into play, see, to cover the ongoing protest. he was eventually deported back to russia after being held out the report for hours dawn and broke down. the story to my colleague, nicky, are in here in the studio shortly after his return to the council. i have dual citizenship, a russian passport, an american passport. i gave them my russian passport as so i entered as a russian citizen and there was quite a bit of time that went by a for just kind of sitting there. and i was like, is there a problem? and she said that there was a that the system that they were using didn't want to accept my documents. i thought that was kind of strange. nothing like that, it ever happen to me before. but she just asked me to wait for a little while one hour went by 2 hours ago by nobody's explaining why i have why i'm still waiting. obviously, a program doesn't take that long to load up, but no information is being given to me. and by 3 hours i'm, i'm starting to already message our producer in moscow saying, you know,

i think it's time to get in touch with the russian foreign ministry with the embassy in, in georgia because something isn't right here. this has never happened to me before . and it's a good thing we did that because just about an hour after we decided that for 4 hours total me waiting for this, a supposed a glitch in the system. they come up to me with a piece of paper, half georgia and half english. um, its a list of reasons why someone might be refused from the country and a little check mark next to other on the paper they said, i'm not being allowed them to the country. i'm like, uh, you know, what, what is this other reason? can you explain in detail what, what the problem is? and they said no, and the so after that they were like, okay, well, we're deporting you. they brought me to a separate room and they took away my phone without an explanation as to why or if i would get it back. and then i waited it out there essentially until 11 pm. no information, not knowing what's going on. i mean, you know, especially since they didn't give me an actual concrete reason,

but luckily they actually let me go at the 11 pm when they said they would. they brought me to the plane, didn't my passport back in my phone. and then i was able to make it back to rush at like 4 in the morning and i'm very happy to be back in fresh and for all the it's good to have you back done. so you're doing no official reason why you need just to be just the put the posted from georgia. but what possible reasons could that be? do you think? well, i think in hindsight, look and everything. the main reason was probably because i was going there while this on rest, connected to this for an agencies bill that the truth that they're passing through parliament. what's going on? i was there last year when the parliament tribes and ultimately failed to pass a very similar law. and there were riots on the streets protest. apparently, i'm my guess is that the authorities didn't want me to cover that for some reason. maybe they thought the, my coverage made the georgia government look bad or something. i'm not sure. so the whole reason we wanted to send you to was that to cover the protest, we wanted to know exactly what was going on. but that was you called guys. okay, do we have any idea of what the situation is right now on the ground?

well, protests are continuing. of course we have seen some reports of uh, you know, violence. we've been a lot of official reactions as well. for example, the president of georgia who was very western oriented, she said that after she was asked by a journalist, if she would veto this bill, when it goes through parliament, she said she absolutely will do all you going to veto the lower. because if it does indeed possible the stages of parliament as president of the nation, you do have the right to usually to, to, i mean, these are going to be so as i'm totally, well the other low that's not to, i don't think it's triple strategy. that's cool, in case recommendations up, in your opinion, it is pretty obvious though. uh with the georgian present deciding that she's going to veto this legislation. but she's really just putting on a show because even she herself said earlier that if she would go through with a veto of this bill, it's very likely that because of the massive support that it has from george and parliament,

it would just get over written by the georgian parliament and this legislation would go through anyway. so i guess we have to ask the question, who is she putting on a show for me? i would say her western patrons or the loudest voices outside of georgia, calling this for an agency legislations, some sort of pro russian legislation or an ethan contradiction with western values . the same countries that are funding and sponsoring these not and g o is non governmental organizations. in georgia, that are basically manipulating public opinion against russia and china. the most recent comment we have is from the use policy cheap, a foreign policy chief brother joseph perone. we transparency of for nathan slow is not in line with e. you norms and values. if adult that it will limit csl and media way, get freedom of expression, we urge leaders to refrain from adults and legislation that can compromise judges, a bath. the main thrust behind this legislation with just means that organizations would have to register in

a government database that they received over 20 percent of their income from foreign sources. and this is not something that's specific to georgia. i mean, the european union itself has similar for an agency legislation. it's just they call it a defensive democracy package, not an actual for an agencies law. and if we look at the united states, there's been a for an agencies log there as well. since the mid 20th century, actually. so there's plenty of western countries that have legislation like this that are aimed at controlling for an info ones in the country itself. despite all these, you know, georgian liberals and western politicians and figures saying that this has something to do with russia. it looks far from it the funder of the telegram social media platform pub, i'll do it also has broken his silence to the american journalist tucker carlson. giving his 1st interview in years, speaking of his office into by the russian born entrepreneur explains why he

couldn't set up shop in the united states. that we get too much attention from the, the, at the i, the security agencies, wherever we came to the us. i brought an engineer that is working for telegram and there was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind them and back by cyber security officers. officers were agents that were trying to persuade him to use certain open source tools that he would then integrate into the telling us code that the mind the same would serve as backdoors would allow the us government to spy on people who use telegram the u. s. government to maybe any other government because of bags. ready as a back door, regardless of who is using it. so many interesting things that he mentioned, especially the fact that he had his b. i. agents as a set show up at his doorstep,

inquiring about him why he left. he's russia telegram is all about entitled to upset that seemed like they were trying to establish a relationship with him and the connection. and as we just heard that they were trying to employ one of his engineers. they're also interested in the fact that he says that he was contacted by both parties asking for completely different things. one was asking to share the data or else the other one second. well, if you share the data, you'll face punishment. let's here, after the events of january of the 6, we received a letter from, i believe, congressman of the democratic side. and they requested that we would share all the data we had in relation to what they called this authorizing the letter. it seemed very serious and the letter said, you know, if your fail to comply with this request, he will be in violation with them in the us constitution or something like 2 weeks

after that, where we got another letter in new, other from the republican side of the congress and there we read that if we give out any data according to the previous request, when would be in violation of the risk institution. so we got 2 letters that said whatever we do with the file listing, serious constitution. it's funny, right? because he left russia and pursued to all of this freedom of speech, which is why he went to the united states. and then that's what he got in return. because just to remind our viewers again, he left the russia sites and government pressure apparently from a store. it's, he's back in 2011. so shell down the pages of opposition, politicians back on the screen, that's the v k, which is the equivalence of facebook in russia and he was the owner of that back

then. so he refused to do that. then a couple of years after that, he said that he got pressure again from us towards ease uh to release the data regarding ukrainian protest leaders. and again, he refused to do that and a telegram list. i'll forget once you've been blocked or i'll show for 2 years, but of course so horror it is quick. they realize that they, it's quite hard to block something these days. i'm sure as you are, but knows as well with r t. so telegram returns and people do, of saw to, to leave russia in pursuit of his freedom of speech. he tried various countries before the united states. he tried single poor, he tried germany as well in germany. they don't work out for the practical reasons because he wasn't aware that your regulations require you to hire local as far as even if he can find it, even if you can't find any one. and then finally, as the realize that us was a disaster, it was, he got marked in san francisco and he settled and the u. a. but he seems to be happy. so in his proceeds to provide this platform that offers the, you know,

a voice that if every person, regardless of use how they succeeded. yes, he calls it a neutral platform and that they only supposedly sensor child pornography or terrorism something really violent. and then he said, come to e u pressure and a band odds these channels, for example, especially in europe, is there a nearby consult on telegram read ortiz channels. if you are a russian and in other countries, you can. but that in itself shows and proves that telegram is not unusual and they're going by what e u officials want them to do? actually, the most pressure who received was not from the countries government agencies. it was from apple and google. and let's not forget that some ports in the why, because you need apple or google to download telegrams. so this is what he had to say about the pressure he felt from them. largest pressure towards the telegram is

not coming from governments. it's coming from apple and google. oh, so when it comes to freedom of speech, those 2 platforms, they could basically censor whatever it is you can read access on your smartphone. so i mean, do you run the risk of being thrown out of their stores? exactly. and that's what they make very clear that they fail to comply with their guidelines solely cause i told them can be removed from the stores. also interesting, a final note talk across and ask them, do you think you are being spied on by the, on the say, the national security agency and it says, well, i can't know 4 or 5. but i assume so because he says that he has very limited faith in apps that are developed in the united states in terms of privacy. so coming from panel do or of, i think that says that all the president of the catholics them has coal

for tolerance. and with a use of different languages in the country, he made the statements while visiting a russian speaking region of the central asian state. a spoken simple according to our constitution, the cause of the language does the state language. while the russian language is used on an equal footing with the state language and performs the functions of an official language, therefore there is no contradiction here. people can use whichever language they find convenient. it is foolish to stir up hysteria around the language to fight against it. to pass has happened in some countries, and we see what they have now as a result of that, it is foolishness. so let us be com tolerance and ultimately intelligence will just some background here at counseling style and has recently seen a series of incidents involving national as targeting those who prefer to speak russian in the country. so cold language patrols are notorious for their

provocative post on social media and some local administrations have sent their stuff to raid public places to make sure businesses are putting a price tags in cars. that like other frontage, has shown russian speakers being bullied for not knowing the state the language moves even for the fun you pretty much just go with one of them. so i guess is that the music and nestled with the buses to see me call me as much as much though i just didn't like i left them business traces in other because you will see in other words, hiring if you're the one that was those that those were the monthly, those that those you need those my like whatever, but tell me stuff here. the biggest that the love seat, the, the problems could oh, i knew those really more question we have the the

catholics done is one of many former soviet republics where russian is still open. we used, however, nations like ukraine. i'm the baltic states, i've been cracking down on the russian language following the my done crew in 2014 the new authorities. and she asked us to restrict the rights of russian speakers that quickly led to the re unification of crimea with russia and the secession of the don't boss. republics that sparked a civil war which eventually led to the events unfolding today. let's discuss all this with the russian political scientist and director of the institute of political studies. so again, mark up, you're most welcome to the program. how much pressure is being puts on russian speakers and catholics them. it's i think from a sort of just is that i uh no pressure and, but isn't that the kind of upside with 0, right? so it's a consitutional use of the claim into the cause that language is uh like um,

what's the language and certain times deeper as i say. all right, it's a 2, is that not actually? and i'm sorry sir. uh. all right, and does that sound good to use a education system? we use both cars after and the address on language and in all of your show the comments i can be amazed by on both languages, concerns and effects that are most of the people in the country. it'd be, uh, an interest. and uh uh, but the former, i'm not too sure who i wrote, it would be some kind of, perhaps a, as a huge shows is in, uh, uh, is your, uh, if you do it. and uh, some of the initial news uh, tried to read ours is this issue about uh, majority roles that people, you know, cuz i found believes that, uh, uh, in rising, pulls that, uh, let me give you uh, a question as political questions. uh quote uh on the lines of political submitted

terms like concerts is its got from your credits, but also uh well to see. and you can also off site with majority, cuz if people did use that cancer, so they would be interested especially taking the account is that even though you pay majority or was it depot or use our actual leg, which has the nature blind. all majority of the people, but numbers of list as opposed so far you put in a restorative was a, is suppressing clothes that are from the light returns that are something i did not want to see in the cause i saw in terms of sound how sort it is only a making a just quite wise pulse a i think it's worth pointing out as well. that according to the last census in 2021 and more people in fact in catholics done, spoke russian ban. cuz act 2, what's your view, sir? of the timing of this president to kind of he was speaking while visiting a russian speaking area we just saw in the countries north,

which is being hit hard by flooding at something that's also impacted several russian regions across the border to uh, infect uh before as they pull up, so sort of get you in your notes. and cuz i saw on, uh, it was something good by what i would say uh, 40 percent of cossacks and 50 percent. the other options is means that that seems to be even small. our, our majority in the cuz let's start off to pull up the soviet union. i feel so full because the cause i've got people as, as a more children. so it's a problem. it is. and also because some of that ashley and so i decided to come back to the central restaurant as the separate boston church and now probably proportional something good by what that's uh 60 or 65 percent cut across oxide. and i was such a percent technical enough,

but nevertheless it's a bit of it'd be my joy to do or what options is that noise? um, uh, agents i was a conscious. uh so this is uh, uh, uh, just uh, not a situation where the district and i think i'll uh, see, face and assignments that are from this what is and it's inside. besides russia also united. so you sure is that the noise and audience was that comes up. sounds that additional that have some great and it says sunroof, taken by it, are all sorts disease already caught us from the start. a new condition that is produced by a russian assorted is, uh so is means that the majority shows that uh, a rush or not a citizen. so, and that's uh, cause i found that a citizen. so jose uh, pulls us be leading to be successful. the asian and assorted his boss and then option cause i found also supposedly say for sick patients. but on the small and this one maybe sick might in order to try to play nice has interesting games and

just the point as well to, to touch and present a tie of some interest remarks. he mentioned some countries which have created problems for themselves by cracking down another language just he didn't mention any specific states, but is there one in particular he may have been alluding to of course, uh, uh, not that kind of from use. uh uh you create because they're clearing the insect to destroy it. now, politically, joseph will not just sorts fans them one, those are made there isn't all of these. um cool. lots of your grade was assist. jargo again, steps, russian, language, arts and culture and that are some i think it's about time. so attention the great even different from a situation because like something because like some of them. yes. it's uh or cause extra speaking to people and there are some speaking people. it is