mazda in san francisco, and he's settled and the way he, but he seems to be happy. so in his pacific needs to provide to this platform that offers a, you know, a voice. uh so if every person, regardless of use how these exceeded yes, he calls it a neutral platform and that they only supposedly sensor child pornography. busy terrorism something really violent and then he said come to e u pressure and band arts, these channels, for example, especially in europe, is there a near be can not on telegram read are these channels. if you are a russian and other countries, you can, but that in itself shows and proves that telegram is not unusual and they're going by what e u officials want them to do? actually, the most pressure who received was not from the countries government agencies. it was from apple and google, and let's not forget that some ports in the why, because you need apple or google to download telegraph. so this is what he had to

say about the process he felt from the largest pressure towards those room is not coming from governments. it's coming from apple and google. oh, so when it comes to freedom of speech, those 2 platforms, they could basically censor whatever it is you can read access on your smartphone. so i mean, do you run the risk of being thrown out of their stores? exactly, and that's what they make very clear that they fail to comply with their guidelines . so they call it a told her and can be removed from the stores. also interesting, a final note i'll talk across and ask some, do you think you're being spied on by the, let's say, the national security agency and it says, well, i can't know 4 or 5, but i assume so because he says that he has very limited faith in apps that are developed in the united states in terms of privacy. so coming from paddled or of i think that says at all. ok, returning to a story speaking about earlier,

how significant was around, retaliatory strike against israel last weekend. will it lead to a conflict between the 2 regional powers cross talk debate? stuff in the the hello and welcome to cross talk. were all things are considered on peter lavelle. iran's retaliatory strike of israel is a game changer. a new red line has been established. thread no longer will

outsource its compensation with israel. meanwhile, the gaza genocide continues the cross talking escalation. i'm joined by my guest, eric welburn in toronto. he is a writer journal as an author of the canada. israel next is in bay road. we have, they look hard to him, she is a co founder of mid east wire dot com and, and we'll talk, you know, we cross the steven. so who need, he is an award winning journalist and chief editor of mid east discourse or across cyprus and the fact that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate lane. well, let me go to you. first thing they rotate, remind production i called this a game changer and new red lines have been established. do you agree with that? well, it's always basically a new line that's being pushed that i've done has been established long time ago with there's a balance of better and better as a forward in this region that everybody tries to test every now and then and,

but then you basically attacks what happens and then the nation, everybody knows what the other side discuss level of. i mean at the end of the day, some people consider that and you'd have to because by, by the radiance. however, if you look at the go see, the it is managed to hit to is there any military base as well, on the north by this point and one basically in the nova team and the one closest to the more? no. so the idea is that everything else that they used was just a decor and they actually have their goes, there is no, no what the, what does that state, they might take it that much further, just to say face as one point or another, or basically because the who wants to assess his height as they say, by kidding, that's what we're because we don't support it. he's going to go to try it and people are going to scan in my life. so you'd have the ones are being drawn over time. the thing is, the escalation is the thing that we see basically increasing. well, and i mean the ground, eric, i mean, do we have a new balance of deterrence right now because the western media is down playing the

or, and radian strike. but if you look at a book and people that have a more honest view point to mean this is quite catastrophic for israel is the 1st time that is real experience, something like that. so there is there, is there a new balance of deterrence in the region? but absolutely, if you do risk, scott richard meet the very good guy and tell the point that his brother has actually expanded it's borders. it's controlling. now north israel in north israel is, uh, it is uh and indefensible. and i don't think those settlers will ever be able to go back. so there is one aspect and also he ran his expanded it sporty, straight to israel. it's showing that it is capable of reaching the end, the key israel, it's, uh, i'm in new mexico and then

a couple entered in a neighbor. so it is really is no longer so it's completely surrounded now and it's going in india ran is part of is that a neighborhood? it's, it's almost like, uh, iran's announced itself is admitted that an integral part of the new middle east. yeah. and it's, and it's a neighbor you can't ignore okay, at your will. you can ignore and at your peril. let's put it that way. stephen. oh, so if we can go back to b, b, all of these events. you know, i don't like to use october 7th as a beginning of something. it is very much on the part of the historical process that we've seen 75 years of zionism. but if we do take october 7th, what is real achieved? it has it's lost in, in gaza, is killed and tens and tens of thousands of defenseless people, mostly women and children. as eric has pointed out. so is really citizens in the

north of israel cannot return. and we have the, what's going on in the west bank, i mean, israel's and it has, it has had a string of failures here. steven. yes, that is through the israel's lately, not only actually. and this works. it's been starting to failure since the or 2006 was so stuck on is the law that was a big failure at the war and got stuff with the 1st floor and goes then thousands, 7, i think also it was a failure. 2014 was a failure. and also in 20 to 20. 20 also was a good, you know, just one is a big failure. it for 6 months is really been using all kind of weapons bombing from land guarantee. just they killed 40000 people that is not there to do their hostages. they did not to stop the missiles from good. the missiles are still going off of the north, east, west all over the leaders of the, of the,

of the assembly gate. i'm some us are still in power. how much is still the empower the achieve nothing to day. and this is just starting to reflect on benjamin nathaniel. and this is why we're seeing the people, the various sectors in the industry. it's up to like even jerusalem in big numbers and they are going to see more than more, more or more because they have to have buffering. and now you start to move his own people and the whole region and the united states is the original war. just for one thing only, and that is, you know, he doesn't want to lose his chair as prime minister. well i, i also think, i mean, i'm just neither here nor there. if it's about netanyahu, it's about design is project and design is project has a meeting, it's a lot of barriers right now and a lot of push back your way. like what, what are the most interesting things about israel's re uh, well actually, how is real and it's western allies reacted to

a range of retaliation. is that it made it perfectly clear that israel cannot do this on its own. it must have the united states. it must have friends and must have the u. k. but that's a very perilous position for we want to be. and we know that joe biden is feckless and weak, but he's essentially signing up for is real security in a very meaningful way in a very expensive way. i'll also point out that is one of the game changing elements here to go ahead and be route. it just doesn't say, i mean we've seen it. so getting the talk. so on the, there's any opposition, the entity we saw, the british, the american and even the german plains working is coming over to so basically and health is reduced. the on some of those drones and goes ballistic missiles that were thrown or basically is that if that is a new entity, however, the house understand is it, is it going and project? so all the colonial of hits created are the ones who continue to pump and money and basically the arms to keep the surviving over there. when it goes to by then he had

lost most of the votes in terms of earnings. and those who are getting the swear that's happening, however, what he's banking on is going forward with the americans continuing. so how this really is he would go through the selections and the vehicle and services, and those basically what's, what's afford this rate is in his society that when he came into the rescue, we had to let him continue to send to that. how much was the upcoming, the elections i hired that was basically because the father know, basically waking up to be added to that these various art criminals that getting further sinews then committing a genocide that has been ongoing, not only for the past 7 months, but also for the past 75 years, and i don't think basic is in national consciousness, let alone basically the americans inside america. the united states would agree to that. we've seen the pools showing a change of heart and mind towards what is read entities on a boat and what there's neither ship in the us or the we. well, you know, eric is very interested in jo biden's 1st reaction. public reaction to it was the call a meeting of the g 7, which i guess these people just don't see the iron,

you know, but of course, these are the former colonial powers and the powers that created the modern and middle east. here. would it be fair to say, because i've been saying this, that the g 7 is turning itself into the access of genocide, a while long with an ego. okay, sir, really uh, the item is still seeing the world through euro america, american european lens is that that's the world. when it talks about worlds, he is really just referring to the white colonial powers. so when we are, when i think of world opinion, i think of the broader world in very much along the lines of what pollutant this talked about, that there isn't a new access of peaceful powers that are anti imperialist. so the bible is still in,

not in your own mindset. and another good analogy i think is a israel is like a cuckoo. it's the new it's born. and now us in your feet and the parents keep speeding it endlessly until the end of the cuckoo. the cuckoos life is not an easy one that often they get pushed out of the nest or they die, or else they killed their votes. so we're in the, in between stage now where israel is really taken on all of the energy of its parents and it says it's setting them dry. so uh, whether this can continue indefinitely. well, it can't. so i think that the best buy how, how the cuckoo finally dies, and that, that's the issue. we have to deal with know, you walk, you know, or, you know, brought up the or what the,

the true international community and real global public opinion. and it's very, very clear where that stands and yeah, it says the global south versus the, the, the rich north at white north, also in this case here. but, you know, i can remember very clearly and after the, the, throw it raining and revolution that they being sold loose and throwing the shot. and then the american embassy was taken by students and how outraged united states was because that's diplomatic territory, a sovereign territory. but no one in the no one in the west, even one of the debated the security council about what israel did to the diplomatic compound in damascus. i mean, the whole world sees this rank composite hypocrisy of the array in the united states a of the day. this is the united states double standard. uh, the united states was supporting the shops of your on the states were supporting the show. have you not even had the problem was. busy was the it on,

but when it came to a system and a government game and you're on that as anti, is them? and i'm sorry, imperialism. then they have a slip. and then they started using the she, i to send me. uh the uh, this is just send me a conflict besides making it is an error and that is what america is. my husband pumping money and billions of dollars on for the last 3040 years. uh today. uh is there has been bombing in your area are you see in syria, the between the officers, your on has been being patient and let me try to take the price to go to don't we are saving, i'm sorry, i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on escalation state with our team, the

known in vietnam america, the vietnam war loans did for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time between now and then you can just swing them. wow. it's all on the empty hundreds of thousands of american troops who was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i thought about that not, but the american soldiers murdered resistors, most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals and even lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did the of the enemy's veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that way too late. but yeah,

no one else seemed wrong. just don't have to shape house because of the application and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will to part. we choose to look for common ground, the welcome back to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter le belcher mind. you were discussing escalation the you know, i was very a, a gas,

but not surprised by how western politicians and media reacted to this. uh, david cameron was talking about, you know, how is disproportional? well, number one and the, all of the facilities that we know that were attacked were military and intelligence. but there was no loss of life though there was an injury. they won't show us what really happened, which is really odd because they loved the show disrupt destruction all the time. and then you have, you know, this, this of a portion of it. i mean, it's so amazing to me. what about what's happening in gaza? i mean, is that per portion that, i mean even when confronted these people can not look at you with me. i and speak the truth. go ahead. it's a, it's, it's, it's sounding it's, it's actually not. mine definitely gets a little after living with that's kind of will keep patient for the longest time. so we know we know data tactics and what they do. the drawing some of the task along empowers they do the same, the victimize themselves whenever they are. sounds wrong. so at the end of the day

they continue to kill, for example, they've had, they've had, they've had estimated in, you know, officials and scientists over the past decades. they can not only basically, um, the, the head of the eclipse to be gauge, but they have also kids, scientists over the past 2 years, we've seen that they've committed atrocities inside you don't as well. and the 13030 ition came. they were like, oh, we are being under attacked. well, you at the service, that's the 1st thing. the 2nd thing is that if you want to draw your attention to something that the colonial powers were always comes to. the aid of this is when it comes to an attack against an embassy or whatever. basically the too much the commission that is, remember the us actually effect the spanish, the too much admission and, and, and the g and libya when defense refuse to allow the americans to use that air space to go to the bar maybe. and then they attacked the chinese diplomatic mission basically. and you, if i remember, it was in sarajevo or like one of the so back on states and nobody says anything.

it is, that is, there is a thought, it'd be about technician, and it'd been think that's a join to this. but the commission and the whole was silence about that. when did any, as we thought here, that's fine, that everybody's investor. all these effects that have happened against it and nationals and against it really does not belong in cedar rapids. also inside the don't suddenly the world started playing it for, for almost 3 to 4 days before that you didn't even do it. it's a nation by saying, oh, there is a gums that's like this really is there it is. are that extends over here? they play with the negative. they shifted negative and nobody is buying it anymore . yeah. what so, okay, and plus we do know that would be the american administration is basically lying about it. if i'm going to eric right now, um, so round gave a 72 hour notice in what they were going to do. okay. they very transparent and what they wanted to accomplish, um, like eric would be, is israel aside to been in, in a dilemma right now as we speak on how to retaliate. now we are told that the american

administration doesn't want to be involved in any, and is really attack on iran. i really don't buy it. okay. i mean the, the influence that the, the israel lobby has over american politicians and the media. i want allow joe biden to a band and the israelis, which means, you know, now we have this, we actually, you could make the argument. i certainly would that we are in the middle of the next world war because we can see how the, the, the biting lines are, are happening, russia, iran, we have the access of resistance. and the united states is not going to walk away from this. and a lot of american politicians, particularly in the senate, would really welcoming and an open attack on iran, which would be disastrous for everyone. eric as well. yes, but uh, is the guy pack yes. this is its finest moment now. it's got, uh, congress, really and its cartridges. even if biden wanted to do what with getting re elected

with making the great president would be to insist on this cease fire and force israel to negotiate properly. that would be, of course, a wonderful thing, but it is real with it with the assassin eats is. that's what it's great guys, very much like you cream. it's a, it's at that stage and it's distorted development that it goes after terrorist attack typically. so it gets us in the leaders, kit kennedy, both kennedy's i'm, i'm convinced we're a mazda of the operations. we don't know, 911. but these huge terrorist operations really is really, is very good at this and, and that's what it's built, it's so on. so i think even, let's say trump trump's kind of wishy washy on a new grain a i, he seems to be very pro is 0, but he's, he doesn't, mike nathan, yahoo! he could slip the could just swell. eric, i'm not going to give donald trump but

a credit with him with a lot of virtue. but eric, i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be a war president in the, in this scenario right here. i think he is very terrified of it because it is a stance that will everyone that's involved in it on the wrong side. the stench that they will carry for the rest of their they will be their legacy, their legacy of what they're doing right now. but steve, and if i could go back to you, um, what does the us really even have a choice right now? okay. and you can say a security commitment is iron clad and then it's not iron clad. how are they going to squared the circle of the yeah, the, the united states is a, it's a funded and does he uh, yeah, for a furnace fund that is really military and it's been helping and supporting is really military and been sending aid and all of that from the american taxpayer

money. but the, the air defenses system, this is really, is using stuff from america. and they have help is really just flat at that. and the uh, doctors all came uh, but the, as by the, by the decision pulled in jimmy. nothing else really defended you, but we're not going to participate with you in award. the, by the, by them does not want to go into a war or region war just because of benjamin that didn't you know, this a, this is, but this is what he does not understand. the what happened on monday, call a cost over $1300000000.00. that's all coming out of the american taxpayer money. that's, that is real pain. it, but there's really people are payments. that's the american taxpayer money and the americans and whoever is next president. and that's what happened, but they should stop all this 8. the americans are all i have the they should, that money should because the american people look on funding wars and supporting

a psycho lack benjamin there to be a whole who just wants to take the whole vision of the whole world into more leeway . one of the things that really worries me here in, in lebanon here, do you think as a result of iran's retaliation? and we've discussed that it was a little over whelming, leah, a success in terms of what it wanted to achieve. how do you, how do people in the, in lab a non feel now, is it more, more likely or less likely the, the israel east would attack your country? i can send you because i'm covering basically the blue line, villages, stations and soft level. and basically i also room, i don't even speak to people from old supplies on different diligence instructions, most of the construction support that existence and level as a fucking the common enemy of this is a joke. you patient, everybody used to be members with is reduced. it's 11 in 2006. is there any aggression 11? but at the same time there are smoke buckets, infection,

so basically support that zane is, which is very weird. but then again, if you look at their history, they collaborated with is really doing the occupational level. but these are insignificant in terms of numbers that have been is do expect an escalation at any points because they know that this kind of occupation is treacherous. they don't need an excuse to going to escalate. however, when you open multiple strong and, and basically i gave the patient it's 6 twice before basically expanding the problem. so we have a photo for that's it. and for the time being, um, the way i see it going forward, we will be seeing an escalation because at the end of the day this is not the is really ward. again is basically the 1st thing is only this is the american war against the ocean. interest and that agent, that's why we saw the russians move them battalions to the front with the occupied single on hearts. and at the same time, it's a, it's a short forward as it's a major struggle between the on it is there isn't blessings, a visit because of those ridges and the indians. on the other hand,

that's why we're seeing natal powers move. it's 3 gates and ships, so the, it's submitted to the engine needs and over the past 7 months. that's why basically we saw an image of kind of the alliance between the excess of resistance along those fronts in iraq and syria and lebanon. and even in yemen, and they are basically being supported by the ariens, that's one point to another. joshua came to the rescue to its own l. i. city and said, we are going to head if the, what actually is expense more than that because the nation's understand the kind of thing that's being played at the moment. it's a power struggle between the americans and the russians and the some of the strange and eric, we administration in the, by the ministration says that it doesn't want an escalation. but are they on the driver seat? i mean, they may not want it, but they, they may have to just go along because, you know, if you're going to evade ministration, who's going to tolerate a genocide in gaza? they're going to go along with a greater war. i mean, you know, there's a continuation and thought there, eric, the us is tied to israel. so if one goes the other goes,

that's why is it really is an existential situation for, for both, because it's carried on now for 70 years and it's a future the us sees it's future through israel in the middle east and it's got to change that it's israel is got to become a normal middle east countries. somehow it's got to worry about eric eric. first for that to happen era for that to it. the design is project passed to come to an institute, and i know that's saying so that it will happen already thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. i think it is early is the last in the last 6 months. and if that's a continue or bleeding. so israel, you know, it is marching forward into the future, but it's the people are, are the keynote,

the end of this whole, all the project is revealed as a parsed and that is your ex, essential crisis. so i, i don't see this really resolving it easily. it's going to be a lot of hand wringing all a let me ask you the last 25 seconds. is this the end of design this project that we witnessing it? um october 7, i have a space when i said this one was easier to speed up. it's a state solution or were basically would see it is there as a different kind of scenario. not even is it as we know today. and i believe that to be on it's a state solution is that it will not exist as we know it today. it could be a one state, it could be, it's an end of its, we don't know, but the situation going forward is going to be complete. the defense. ok on that note, that's all the time we have a want to thank them. i guess in toronto, i'm a root and they look out, talk to you in the course. i want to take our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time and remember prospect rules the,

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