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we'll be back up with them. the hello and welcome to cross type bullhorn time peter live out here we discussed them real news speaker of the west house of representatives of republican mike johnson, claims that russia, china, and around or the next new axis of evil. well, here we go again to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george study while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be found on youtube in locals and in marrow cash. we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. of course, the funding for ukraine past is we, you,

all 3 of us expected all along. and before we get to that, george, what's going on with this axis of evil? i thought we had retired, that ridiculous concept after the failed comp low interventions in the middle east. it's suddenly of come is come back by this peculiar guy named mike johnson. what do you make of it? a piece of the expression is a level of retired. um it, it is true, is it? oh say has it been that maybe you vote for in the united states? you always have john mccain in power. it's a 1000 mileage on became a losing 2000. you got to george w bush, and i think john mccain program same brack obama defeats john mccain, john mccain. so empower so now what we've got is this apparently magazine like which is what a dollar trunk goes in. megabyte. so as essentially presided over the most massive

transfer of funds, obviously to the us military industrial complex, but also to ukraine's all the gods, the mass of a transfer of funds to a israel. as he presided over a kind of a pop 3, a whole mind of, of, of the restrictions of civil liberties restrictions on freedom. so take talk that's selected there, ought to be banned in the 9 months time. um, supposedly, uh, there's got to be a seizure of russian solver and assets in the united states. so essentially it is a complete wish list. so everything that the deep, se, the military industrial complex, the democrats, what i, but the saw and the one thing that the republicans had one to which was border security. and i was hoping to see they didn't get it. so i don't of the else thing

. the previous ineffectual speaking look out they, they got a version of how much was because that, but actually a more competent version of it because it, because he actually pulled off what because he failed to pull up. this is a total um own go by uh the republicans in our election. yeah. it's extraordinary martin, but you so it's george is absolutely right. no matter who you vote for you get john mccain. but john mccain's, vision of the world always ends in catastrophes waste of money. and there's a and the diminishing of a reputation around the world. it's. it's like a information loop that just goes around and around and around. there's no learning here whatsoever. martin, i think that there might be some loading um from, from, uh, humble competitive lets go this. yeah, i think perhaps we're learning,

but some, what you described is really a catastrophic failure of the us foreign policy, you know, in, at all times and unprecedented. i would say, so i think there is something to learn that you know is that is that we, we are learning it but they are not learning. and then we have, we have phone was informed, was over expensive and short term and long term. but i sympathized with the republicans, i'm enough because it takes, you'll just point to heart and it must feel for the republicans the best. how both houses now are basically a democratic majority. you know, here's what happened with this guy was absolutely extraordinary to 1st is through the last name. and what he paid off was he offered a deal to mine both to see to but some from the democrats side, from the button count. it doesn't look like a losing strategy because they must be asking themselves, look, you know, in 6 months time, how many more reports we have to deal with the russian advances? can we, is, can we throw more in a, um,

bundles of cash on the file just to keep this plan going for another 6 months, 9 months, you know, until the election to arrive up. because i think that's the way they must be looking at it. a lot of republicans on in the trunk comp must be thinking, well, that's really the last show that is the last book. you know, the last don't let us going to be sent to this discount for 2nd country. if, if 12 over the, that's the, with the, or you have the sunk cost file. let's see, you know, we've already invested so much. we can have to keep it. it's george, let me go to george george. i mean, i, i'm, i, i find it, i'm, no, i'm thinking about it because a majority of the republican base is not a go or a 3 against these foreign aid packages, with the exception of israel. israel is always an exception, but george, in an election year it is extraordinary. and, and it just shows that when, when you're in the grip. oh, based on kind of an 80 ology, then your own self interest on how to go by the way side of what happens

over the over the last 10 days was a total ex, although i guess so, but emulation by the republicans. they lost the key issue that they would have had of going into november, which was these of vitamins was vitamins with the united states into several very, very dangerous conflicts. he doesn't know how to get out of them. and we, the republicans on the leadership of donald trump can bring these was to an end that was trumps, issue. and trump throw it away because try endorsed what my johnson did and what my johnson date was. so good. and i by whose agenda so by me will be back on the rose garden sometime late to the next week. and um that you will do the signing well the republicans will be behind them clamping him huge victory by mount trump doesn't have an issue. and i think from person out see the deal,

he will lose the election in november because he doesn't have an issue to run on. this was his issue. this was the issue, the guaranteed in victory in 2016. i am the base candidate. i'm the one who's got to keep us out of the stupid was i'm going to focus on the domestic issues. now he doesn't have that issue anymore because the moment you said, well, these are biden's was the media. you know, every single moment of the day will point out. yeah, but you endorsed, is it your policy you to do that? he's not going to get out of it. i mean that's what the media do. they going to keep doing it all the time. you did it, it's your policy though trying to wash your hands of it and i think that's go to work against him because what i mean is, if you just gotta get biden's policy, you might've invited me to do it for you. just yeah, martin meeting. we had did the mike johnson and then you're a guy not too long ago. he did one interview with glen greenwald, which george and i had discussed, and it was a big civil, libertarian. i mean, and,

and very, very much, very cautious about government intervention. when it comes to the banning or limiting speech here, but he went total swamp, total swamp creature and a center of rainfall. he. he has a theory that he knows though, how washington work city mike johnson was taken into this little room by some security operatives. and given the horror show of, if this is all at stake, and you're the 3rd most powerful person in the world, only you can make a difference certainly. and if the senator is right, then he took good hook, line and sinker words. yeah, i would just have to take the doses for other things ever underestimate trump to utah. so that's what he's saying today. he's famous. you know, so i think there's always a possibility that if he kind of actually convinced the american public in the last few weeks running up to the election, the, the strategy new client has to fee to pull out and i'll spend another dollar. he

may not have this ability has now in terms of numbers, but i'm a little prove very popular, especially if the republicans get the right together. and then medium machine is organized and i can actually show the listen $170000000000.00 of your cash. let's didn't go into public, they didn't go into the health care discussion board advice and kidding, just americans went into funding this machine and we lose a, even with all that cash, we're still losing. that might be resonating notes for a lot of americans particular. so i'm not really sure because george now is trump is kind of anointed mike johnson. ok. so he and he has real power and actually he's taking that away from, from trump, doesn't hold office. obviously trump is a leader of the republican party. but if he's anointing of the establishment a party, it diminishes trump during this campaign and completely baffled by this george. exactly opposite because he has anointed um jonathan johnson, came to him in model like a trumpet and have to see a drug test. add

a bit busy of or are you going to seen him and just say that's your problem. i, you know, i go to the elections around about law suits, to fight off. i, you know, you're gonna have to deal with it by a, so i didn't do that. ultimately, you'd have to say that, you know, there has to be a consistent policy of traumas going back to the time that he was present as supporting your frame. so it's, it's just the perception, it's actually the liberals who have put, made completely to create of the story out of full clocks. the trump is broke breakdown trump is pro russia, trump is on to ukraine. this was all made up. it was never any troves in it. he was the one who changed obama's policy and spot ascending lee. so military dates are you going to need to continue to boast about that? he said well yeah, that was, that was just a moment trip. aberrational, my father, he boast about his oh, i think that's made a difference in the statement that he issued on,

on the true social. he says ukraine is important to us. so he didn't, you know, this is all made up, 1st of all by the so the mag supports us, like bannon and by m. s. nbc, the trump, really a to branch off was to wash his hands off. it's no, i mean not, but you know, you look at the rank one of the mine he believes in this, and he's therefore essentially thrown away that what could have been potentially his best issue. what i think it threw away martin is to be the piece candidate. okay. yeah. we can, we just kind of move away from a guys a way from ukraine. i want, he could have had a much more coherent message of why don't we have little bit more diplomacy, why we throwing so much money around. it's not solving problems, it's perpetuating problems. actually, i don't understand the political calculus here. instead of getting yourself into the nitty gritty, the minutia of these issues, say, look, we need a fundamental change in policy that resonated with the public in 2016. who knows

what happened in 2020 but it's still there and it's a, it's a lane but he won't take it. it's something i'm i'm really disturbed by martin. we want to take it now. um, but i wonder what does it show and it doesn't matter. now they did, the guy is cast, i think go ahead with my just, i mean, you know who, who is this guy? you know, i mean, i think i think he will soon, you know, disappear. i'm very quickly and they won't even remember who he is or what he said, and in a very short space of time. and i don't see in minnesota particularly person, but i agree with joe's the trump doesn't a problem now. um, but i think a lot just places more emphasis on these 2 candidates to run their actions based on personalities alone. if the, if the policy side stuff the way the way you know, and it's really it really is there really isn't that much to flight about except the economy costs, which i don't think works in buttons favors. i think the trip without effect on what the tool and you know, he think

a little associated him with his friends and as a lease doing very well martin and hold that thought i'd have to go to a hard break of after that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on some real new stake with our to the water is part of the blog post that isn't the deepest view of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present. let's stop without collision. is that spelled out of as the

after the end of world war 2, great britain decided to make up for his losses with the merciless exploitation of its colonies. the plundering of the occupied territories, had my la, devastated as a result of the decade loan fighting extremely hard days in group. and in 1948, the colonial administration was forced to declare a state of emergency in response patriots. united seems to them a lay in people's liberation army and began a guerrilla war. london decided to suppress resistance, georgia and mass deportations. executions of civilian ends, brain of chemicals, scale being, and cutting off ads. these were the barbaric methods the british used trying to keep my la within their empire. the massacre in the village of baton gully, committed by the scots guards against the unarmed beds. because a particular stir, the entire male population became victims. trying to suppress the gorilla movement,

the occupiers relocated 500000 people to concentration camps. the far osha's rule deep or its fruit. the patriots were scattered. however, the british experienced the strength of the malay resistance to the full extent, the british army losses in the way over the largest since the end of world war 2. in 1957, the british empire was forced to recognize malay and independence. the resilience of them a late people put an end to the history of british colonialism in south east asia. the welcome back to process bull horns on peter lavelle from as we're discussing some real news squared. let me go back to you again. i mean it, these, the series of bills that were passed about for an of um flooring funding aid. you know, we've been going to israel guys, i tie one. um, uh, um and you know,

with banning of, um the tick tock here. it seems to me with, with the republicans joining in on that they lose their leverage on so many different things for, for example, of funding the israel. well, that's already been passed in a bite and signs it. what kind of leverage does he have? because the money is going to keep going, i mean, you get you giving up so much leverage and power that the u. s. has. and anybody my passing these bills and signing these bills? well, israel's already been paid, they're not going to listen. me. yeah, well did they ever listen uh, i think come with, well, i mean it money, money gets people's attention. you don't you think it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a summer of yes, it does for a short period of time but, but i think the lessons look in that we will to now, to pretty to so i have a relief in the last few days with this so called a tech on to run by israel, which supposedly isn't going to have any ramifications, we hope,

but coming back to trump and bite. and you know, i'm just confused as you know. so i can't see now what the real issues will be. now when these 2 class you have to head, but i, i do think that some of the things that really gets me about trump, we should never forget that supposedly enjoying his campaign. he showed us that he really was very uncomfortable with a woman who was very uncomfortable, being us, preston. i shouldn't be having any was around the world, you know, they, the little, the fact lives in america and is just a supreme leader of on forces or something. somebody like that you're, you're telling me picture. i'm sure i learned to manage that totally. so i think don said, well, what's happening, so i'm not the only one so we can have is that he will still present himself to the american public as somebody is going to deal with these will title and does also, and i think that's what we've already done with it. well the, you know,

you're training now. you know what, what those $61000000000.00 by you. i mean it bit, i think it was just in time. definitely some time. but even with the money we seen with the miscalculation with the corruption, with the incompetence, with the ineptitude of us and it's key and it's all me, we've seen still the rush of pushes for what versus still has games to my. well, i mean, for me it's, it's really not the, the, the, all or some, because they've got the, the, the, the campaign in, in ukraine is going in one direction and we'll just continue going in that direction. okay. it's, it's not, it's not really the dollar amount for me, george, it's the fact that you give a leverage. okay, so what, what, what has happened here is that instead of trump the unifying the party and know, you know, you, it's trump, and his mag a supporters and you have the republican establishment. that chasm is getting larger, not smaller george with it. that's exactly right. either and that's really the point because what has happened in recent years and the may be through trump's 2016

campaigns assembly republican positive as much as the polity of the piece and the polity against big government, against the military, against the intelligence services. i am in favor of the civil liberties. i mean it's not that on usually to essentially republican, but it was going back to it's pretty well war 2 guys against the old you know the coast. uh well go to uh, coldwell, the establishment. the same thing. but now this thinking has prevailed against the g o, b a. so now they, they lose that important issue which they could have at least one over. um, people who, oh, who might not naturally be voting for republicans, but this, but they just thought so killed by the, by the regime. you know, in bracing all of the ideas of the deep state and the military. let's our work and

what least the republicans are against this. and so even though they've, but they've lost that liberty, mike johnson, he changed his view. why? because of a briefing by the intelligence services. well, let's see, is that being georgia services that you've been accusing now for several years of trying to topple donald trump? there's people who are trying to, um, but in that asylum who in the united states. so what do i do essentially kick out the elect, the leader inside. you set up all these committees to investigate government abuse or government weaponized ational govern with, i guess your political opponents, you mean by the intelligence service you set down and you thought, oh, well, i better believe that and all the weapons of mass destruction and all of that in the bushes, you mean village of services goes away. so you've lost some leverage. i think that's really the point and what not to mention about the personalities. the problem is on the trunk may be under the delusion that people find his personality

appealing. and that's truly there. there is a fact a faction in america that does find his personality very appealing. that's not enough to get you over the line. so i'm going to get you 51 percent. you know, people who are, you know, the person out of this fine, but you've got to have the policy. you're gonna, well, george, even in 2020. nobody loves joe by nobody. okay. but in, in, in we, they, in that process, they'll continue just be, you're absolutely right martin, we can spread it out of here a little bit. i mean, this axis of evil. and i suppose china is on notice right now. i mean, that's like waving a red flag in front of someone here to be, you know, we're, we're, we're not going to have a peaceful coexistence. we're not going to have symmetry in it. know, where are we, this is a new cold board. you are the enemy rushes experiences for a long time. now smoke china. it's. and so what does russia in china do they come even more close together? i mean, there is there any adults and this administration whatsoever? exactly. yeah, obviously it's a point of the make a little to about british politics, which is i've noticed in my lifetime, how

a and peace in london this educates it's less or informed and frankly less, you know, not even uh, not even remotely clever, leaving it remotely. a astute to aero di so what they do anymore, and the big, the base it becoming sick, you know, and i think it's the same american wasting atomic down of the political process. and the people within it, people are actually saying more of those stupid things. you know, without even having to research, without even having these thoughts starting next to me to say, you know, talking about new access to the last time. someone said that george w bush, the american invited to rack it was a premise of so they must figure out who would not be experiencing that now. but to go back to a point about showing that being the enemy and russian being enemy, what's the reason the enemy? you can't say that $126000000000.00 or for an investment from american companies in china says that you're not going to be, you know, it's a city to, to go down that road. oh, i think, well, i interpret from that is just chest beating a certain nationalistic book,

but also what it does. it's george, it, it's threat inflation. okay. so, i mean, you know, we had the asked in graft. we have the ongoing ukraine griffith and you know, the korean peninsula has been the probably the greatest rift a since the 2nd world war that just goes on and on and on. there's not even a question about that. and so here we go again the, the industrial base of the united states has been degrading so much so that you have to rely on arms to export or make money. so this is if this is really extraordinary, again, trump is betraying everything, but he stands for me. and so, you know, if we're gonna, if, if we're gonna have an industrial base, can we have it more than just arms like have well paying jobs for people. you know, the swamp always wins. john and john mccain always wins. george, this is exactly arrives either. and it really is the case of whenever there's any kind of a fight, any kind of a resistance to the swamp,

the swamp will prevail. what's your goal? so remember that um on the sides of a bite and signed into law, the renewal of size of the wireless list, search bar the pfizer. so it was a real head mike johnson played the really cold role in the on the credit. although he gave the critical works, so this was a really bump a day for the deep state the other day. and so no wonder they were all the democrats who waving ukrainian flags inside the the capital. but, oh, no party that this was a, this was trump certainly point. this is why he became president of the young people . what are the voted for him? you know, i sent you a reality tv shows stuff. uh, you know, and uh, new york real estate. so i could easily have the problem is we're going to end these want and we're going to rebuild our industrial base, you know, make america great. again, we're going to go back to the america of world war 2 and the immediate,

the decades after world war 2, when american industry was the envy of the world on either side question whether it was doable or not. but that was the whole point. then we don't wanna waste all these uh, precious results as finding stupid was it doesn't, don't get anything for him. i got it. and that hasn't worked. and the he was an opportunity but from it because he had, it has the bass i need even have with him later. the g o b conference, you know, congressmen who are ready to follow him and say, yeah, we were with you on this, we, we don't want any more of these was we're not going to give one penny to the ukraine and all the got the down and george, on top of it, on top of it, there is no down side for the republicans. they did vote for they don't seer trump, they don't spear the leader of the party. democrats. oh, my goodness, you defy. looking to ship with a good bill. lock you out of your office and give you one way ticket. oh martin, go ahead. it's. it's

a 6 order. i think we've reached that point now. you know where it's, it's so difficult to, to, to look at these 2 candidates and understand what, what the real story is. are we being phones here? is this a smoke and mirrors sort of bluff and trump? i wonder if there is more of this story that we've actually really stumbled up in the us or less not underestimate his ability to, to surprise so with his media stance and, and some of the attorneys that he has around him, you know, revising him on a day to day basis so, so i think we've got that to look forward to, but in the short term i must have maybe i but i, you know, i, this was a huge win for the democrats and buying a huge. okay. and, and the, the colossal size of it, i think george is right. this is good to be use as a whip on him all the way to november, but you supported it. your speaker supported it. what are you are doing about you've taken an issue off the table,

which was very viable for so many people. george, i finish up for us. exactly a bible. he may try to distance himself away, but it'll be every single day and them as nbc, cnn all the way that they're gonna be saying this might be 5000000000. this was the biggest business ever package for ukraine you signed off on it. so what suitable for him to best build them accusing would be perfect fulton's buffet. the blues are, as far as i was, the harshest on russia, they're still going to accuse him of working for the kremlin, but also to use him of the supporting by his policy. that's a politics, a short circuiting itself. i'm and maybe martin's right. maybe there's something here that we don't understand, but i tend to doubt it. that's all the time we have gentlemen want to make my guess in budapest and america. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time. remember, costs are rules the,

the guidelines this hour, the us of prove another $95000000000.00 for 3 major crises around the world. the brain is, well, let me try one. but another native, a members warm. there's no end in sight for the context all sides. bye. take care of my neighbors, the palestinians. i really do care. it breaks my heart that they have been drawn into this terrible situation. as a pro, the express is room more for palm of san francisco. how much is ultimately responsible for this suffering, the sci fi, those know, innocent civilians and got one of our teachers and wanted to use one shot for.