well, did they give us the, the hello when welcome to prospect bullhorn and peter labelle. here we discuss some real news with the passage of binds huge for an a bill. it is important to ask, what is next? what is really the purpose of this aid to help you claim when, or only just starve off defeat? for now, to discuss these issues and bar, i'm joined by gilbert caro in st. petersburg. he's an independent political analyst, an author of memoirs. i'm an ex pat manager in moscow during the 19 ninety's, and here in moscow we have dmitri bob beach. he is a political analyst at spook nick international gentlemen cross type roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with the m a here in moscow where we've had

a week now to kind of digest the passage. you biden's huge for an, a bill in an election year of all things. and of course we have the bikes. but bi partisan consensus of foreign wars and intervention. you saw the results after the vote was taken on the house floor with the waving of the flags and everything. for a lot of people in congress, it was a feel good thing. but in the, at the end of the day, even in main stream media, there is a hardly a fair on biased towards russia. they're even asking the same questions that all of us have been asking all the long. i mean, fine, you can dedicate money in weapons, but is it going to make any difference after a week of this here, do you mean what do you think? uh well 1st uh, some people just don't understand that the huge part of these 60 bonded beer that is going to be spent on your brain. a huge part of it is going to be bands. the

previous, really brief, i mean is uh, the budget is going to compensate and to go on full for the deliveries that is already made for the expenses that already weighed. about 11000000000 are actually going to be spent on a nato troops. american troops next to crate. right. uh, and the other thing is that, uh, even though, uh, i think it was drum queen systems that we are my going some people don't normally do this alone. i liked the phrase problem. i sent it to send it the smallest to be a promo of a republican from obama. she said, don't let yourself be fooled. now the door of this is going to be paid for snow to low. you know, we know the regimes that exist in ukraine since the $1014.00 was they get the money together. you know, they never, they back. so basically, i think everyone is more so the, well,

the will continue no longer. more people are going to die. probably in areas far removed from the from flight because i did ask you will by himself will just get full free, long range and the sides of the american taxpayer will never get keys or her money back. and the game cube ago started, don't let you say it will be full. not of this is going to be paid by going to print these dollars, but we're going to borrow it from china. well, the dreamliner americans are concerned about their dependence on china. it's going to increase, so yeah, we'll deem it and in this i'll throw it over to gilbert. i mean, if you read the fine print of the bill, it's a sweet hard loan to do. you don't have to pay it back. it's in the bill itself. it was, it was marketed in a very different way, but in the, if you look at the, the black and white it is an absolute give away gilbert. i mean, it, it seems to me and all of us have been watching this very closely. not since 2022,

but since 2024. 14. at the very least, much longer actually in many ways, this is just as a to starve off to feet. they don't, they're thinking maybe they don't have a plan to when they just want to avoid losing, i guess because it's an election year gilbert. i agree completely with this. and there is a substantial consensus among experts. but i wouldn't necessarily say just opposition . people opposition to the, the washington narrative, but even in the mainstream, there is a consensus that this is not going to say here give you claim the possibility of recovering his territory. that is a lost cause. i think a consensus of experts and even moving into mainstream is coming close to us. jack mode was saying about 4 months ago that this word has nothing to do with ukraine. has everything you do with the west and russia and ukraine has been used and abused by the west care, callously viciously actually said to,

to the maximum extent to cause time direction. i think what is more trouble? some more worries, some for us along is not the 61000000000 that's been appropriated for military and 510 and budgetary assistance to ukraine. it as well as going on just under the radar. and not very, not very far below it, because it is being picked up by some stupid people. and up by that, i mean, they, the dispatch to ukraine of advisors advisors to assist with the most advanced equipment. there's no, it's scheduled to be delivered to ukraine. this takes us back to where were you wherever? 19 sixty's, let's say american advisors in vietnam. and that was a time when it was still an understanding of red lines to prevent a direct military clash between the super powers that has gone away. there is no recognition of red lines. this mister crone said in a very per our cause of way,

but an accurate way then. um, the possibility of this escalating further incrementally um is really there. we have more more nato advisors coming in. we have more and more targeting of those may go ahead what advisors by the russian minister defense and sooner or later this becomes explosive as well, even a demo. of course, i mean, many souls will say that this is going up, the escalation lighter and for the very reason the gilbert just mentioned is a new going to but see more and more nato troops going into ukraine. but it belies the fact that no matter what the west does, these are the ukraine, the russians, though it's directed against them, and as well as changing the, the, moving the needle as it were on the battlefield. i mean, there are a number of experts that you and i am gilbert of our audience follow is that being a grainy and lines are becoming weaker and weaker,

and there could be some kind of break down. what does nato do then? uh well, nature will say that just, you know, the dictator correct up to be strong with and we expect the, the democracy is on the way and around the world. autocrats are on the rise, but going to cure water without the protein ways that tonight the states and the are being union kind of become ideological states, idaho, logical entities. and they have a control with immediate use up. so do you know, look, one of the main characteristics of, uh, derek g, is that you mix cohen, morals and politics. so during the last 3 months, the message that we've had from them very can get great from the european correspondence. it was, you're creating a sub dining room she's advancing and your mike joso is to blame for that. you didn't give them much, so you are a bad back, you know, good,

personally responsible for something, for everything that's happened. see me says bad that happens. great. so there is the mix up of morals and 46, you know, the same way in the soviet union. if you were a gain spot. and if you said something bad about started, you just know you can't just make a mistake. you're a very bad person. you had to be a she and so so we see this used to be a and it's just a stone you how the media in the west changes it's dudes. oh these few months before it was, you know, ukrainian armies starting. there are no munitions, all this because of white johnson. in fact, it was not true because of the munitions you live at the 1000. thank you. 2023. you know, most of this money is going to be just compensating, you know, attempted one of the american immediately industrial folk explore that. but they wanted to create the s last year and saw them the after the money was the one

actually physically, it's not you there and the nation, some of the but suddenly the don't change. you know, some of the, we don't have all of these sent to mental articles about the soldiers and soft free offices. and so we've been savanski and just the story that was just the style again for me was how was the last he said, how come when the israel, i'm sure you know when he's real, was it then? but you're ringing gross. everyone rushed to the help we 0. why are we not israel and the been deem a but for the very reasons a gilbert just said it's not about ukraine. that's what's really tragic about that . it's very, you know, you know, gilbert's this, you know, who we do as we are on this program. counter intuitive here. that the 61000000000 it. and it doesn't really matter the amount i the, and, you know, people, um, uh, make the amount about it. the center of the story doesn't really matter because all

this does is that it speeds up the demise of what we know of ukraine. this is going to speed it up not as slow it down for the very reason that there is no strategic plan back. we're backing with there's no strategic plan that this money is going to forward and that's the m. s. the tragedy of it all. we're going to see math subconscious, old days, and it's, it's a, it's equipment is, is diaz diaz pointed out, is that a lot of it that it probably hasn't even been made yet? so i mean, this is really kind of a unicorn stuff, gilbert on both sides, both on the russian side and on the american side. and that large side of the there is a ceiling that the coming months will be decisive. this act of congress, which abiding successfully remarkably got through over the opposition of trump. um that is, oh wow, that's, that's a little unclear gilbert. i mean, he was, you know,

yeah, mike johnson, when tomorrow largo they got, they did the photo op. i mean, i think trump totally totally assembled this one and for a public relations point of view. go ahead. yeah. well, i think that's um the uh, the, the, its coming months are decisive for bite and his re election campaign. and this is a holding action will, it will hold or not loosely remains to be seen. it is understood the same way by the russians, that they have a period before them up several months to conclusively knock out ukraine before this thing really goes off in a while direction. so i think we have to sit back, watch this closely, and see where is going. it could go to into world war 3 very easily. they could also, and in a, in a capitulation by ukraine very easily. so all the reasons that have been discussed,

they're out of minutes, not just out of munitions, and to speak about russians. advantage of 5 to 107 to one in, in the artillery shells. there's thinking about that as, as if there's were a new development coming from the, the failure of the allies to deliver munitions to create that's rubbish. it's been $7.00 to $10.00 to $1.00 since since february of 2022 step um. so for the breeding public, who is, who has been a slip for the last 2 years, this is no just for the rest of us. it's not news at all. and you have to look for what spells the difference, the differences. there are other men, not out of munitions, and late the members the throwing in are unprepared every thing. virtually every seem to be a great insight. but the russian army is simply a reversal effects. they're describing themselves. it's right and the say they're putting up all the trains man and the rest and mobilization office and the, these lies are description of their own situation. all right,

gilbert i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break gentlemen. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with r t. the, what is part of, or is it the latter? is it a poly would post that isn't the deepest you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without cases let's go products. i think it will have chevy and it shows the patient unix. but then you put the stopper won't even go in and look when we have a couple of those, appreciate it. but if you're doing your dose, but then you would just give them a long shot. the love of selling. so got you for me just so that way you know,

give them step is just the tools. so i know control the i was unable to answer the phone. yeah. is a visual i'm losing in, but i do have to make sure that people come the middle of it so frustrated with as much. it's going to get that praise. i show you a different level may assist you more and when you do it, i'm good for insurance and which the technology you can throw in the let's just sponsor, excuse me, just go out. i don't know if it was a go or you don't wish to just go in and put in the see a good thing is done with this. if you see it on this was was if the control so sort of all the welcome back to cross side boulevard design peter roosevelt. to mind you were discussing some real news demo. let's see. i'm going back with him about the

appropriation of the $61000000000.00, which of course, depending on how you count it, i mean, and some, some people pointed out a 1000000000 of it will be in cash, which i guess we all know what will happen to that very quickly, ok, corruption and you claim is only gotten worse. it's not gotten better unfortunately for the people of ukraine, for the people that actually want their pension and all that. i don't see why the united states the taxpayer should pay in other countries, pensions, maybe a topic of another program, but one could be much more cynical. this is one big wet kiss, good by there, washing their hands of it because they let's go to need that. 61000000000 will go up in smoke quite literally depending on how you want to interpret it. it's not good. it's not going to make a difference. on the battlefield, as we've already discussed in this program. so this was just kind of a feel good vote a remarkably and may be one of your both of you want to address is why give bite

and a when in an election year like this i, i'm simply mystified by the me. well, let's look at the fever. it was 40 or 46. been here, all of them, all. 61 is going to be spent on the remaining. uh, i guess uh, 15000000000 is going to dispense on ukraine. and as you're ready to decide, parker, we will be in cash, and it is supposed to bank and save the pension as well. it's very easy for the ukrainian government to steal that point. and during the debates of the senate, if you will send it to somebody today, the land some dollars they raised it, they said, well, you said it was one of the most corrupt talk. you seem to, well, how come west stadium, them all money? i asked for the battle, growled the, this, the golds the ain sped zelan, scanned his mazda a sake of themselves. i just know 3, at least, you know, pay back right here. there are 2700000 people leaving the same year. you know,

it has been a part of roughly by a seen 1783. the huge majority of the people that do not want under any circumstance, you will back to great. you know, when american media was a little bit more on the 9th, look at the articles by side as to own, and in their know times by steve or just the oil roll, the russians make up with huge majority and premier that okay, we think patients don't that they will not know that say even more i'm happy because they get bombarded that uh so why do you, what kind of on realistic goals, yukon we, you know, and what's, what's going on smacks or what need tool deal. you know, the congress, you know, the big bonus boss, this bill while i'm off the is really, i'm still allows to utilize ation 250000. ma'am. we'll have to go to the army. that means to the front and,

and you know that these tables think that you bring them down and there's no required ukrainians leaving the girl to come to the cultural offices and sign up. uh, you know, clear out their situation uh their relationship with the army. otherwise they will locked in you their prospects and all of these media. so then we'll, we'll become illegals in full. and it is, um, usually maybe gilbert knows this, but that's in contravention to e u laws. okay, mean these people are conscientious of a country, obviously, opposing this company, but that's neither here nor there would would, would gilbert what bothers me and is what we've seen over the last few months. and particularly if we want to consider the, the implications of the attack on the concert hall in st. petersburg, it seems the us because they are the ones that are calling the shots here. they want to rely more and more on terrorism, which of course, is something that the russians will react to very, very strongly,

obviously. so the, the, the, the a symmetrical and this of it is becoming more and more obvious. are you worried about that? um, escalating a dies thinks this is difficult to contain entirely, a state sponsored terrorism. and so the possibility of some sort of tragedy, a head cannot be excluded entirely, that none the less way. the result of this appropriation and the continuation of work, and particularly the result of the ukrainian anticipated use of the of the longer range missiles do attack civilian targets in russian will be a further uh aggravation. and a further intensification of what is being seen for the last 2 months when russia finally uh us. it has been staging its to attacks on the, on the generating plans on substations to destroy the in the right infrastructure of electricity in ukraine. and to target,

particularly the areas from which the most the most a vicious attacks on civilians and beyond and to be able, good region of russia had been stage name and, and that is and to the, to take over that a. so essentially the ukraine, 2nd largest city, except that congress. then that's the, the lag, the exits crumb car competitors can shown on television is going to continue as going to become still greater. so what i can see is one of the, as one of the pun, expected results that was going on is a further extension of rosky me or an investor near. i live in brussels, i can tell you right now, sometimes i wonder if i'm wrong. i'm in moscow 6, all i who around me is a russian speech and this is from the so called ukrainians were now among us. and that is the fact of life that i see. and i don't see,

i don't believe that there will be any return to a to ukraine of those whom i now see around me and then you go and brussel, but i'm sure you also see embarrassing and berlin and other sl gilbert. i mean, if, if you're, if you're a young, you painting in woman and you have a child and that child is already speaking, or learning german or learning poll assure you know french that the likelihood of returning home to a devastated country is, but i will close to 0. um, you know, a demon in a very shortly. um president a lot of, uh, what about the americas as zalinski will no longer be the legal president of ukraine. i thought it was quite interesting listening to the floor speeches about democracy versus authoritarianism. but zalinski will be an unelected. um, uh, why. so i don't know whatever term you want to, viceroy dictate or strong man. i will who will be no legal legitimacy behind him

maintaining power too low. i think that brings us back to this desperate question question from davinsky? why am i not israel? why, why did you bring all the big israel? because your on, on the left to military dictator and your drabson security service. you know, dr. carson just visited your grant, and when he came back to the states, you said he had the what is b you around to? so all the time has to be your use of that uh, ingrained and secure to service. uh we, which people rarely see, or, i mean they sealed it somewhat more than soviet cage. you be, you know, and certainly more than f as b c. so of the fact that he is not the left, that is just the smallest though is since, you know, really to, of course people did not support his actions which lead because that's right. indeed, the 1st place, it could be a, one of the uh, bunks of the times before it started on february 24th of 2022.

you know, gilbert looking at some of the western media coverage. um, most of it is quite laughable. and obviously tragic because so many young men, particularly ukranian men, continue to die. but there's the new mantra. i mean it's being introduced as a ma who wants results by victory day, bye bye. may 99. i. i just kind of just roll my eyes. i mean, if um there's been any, if there's this to this military campaign, the special military operation, as it was initially called, called has no timelines at all. i haven't, they learned that by now that uh and into that maybe at the tail end of that is that the, the big russian offensive that's coming i, i don't see that either. i think that they see what they're doing is working. maybe not as fast as any of us would like, but it is working. that's why they needed the $61000000000.00 gilbert homer about

risk kids who are in washington. 900 in berlin and in london have the same failure to think outside the box. they project on to russia was their own military campaign . we looked like, and then they dropped conclusions that russia fails here and there because it hasn't done what they expect. any like the shopping. it was not going to say they know they would weighs and rush it using shocking off. yeah. so best really began in february 2022 and that's where we are today. they simply refused to learn that there are other ways to age of war. and there are other concepts of war making, then their own, and the russian concept goes, it goes back. that was invented here, it goes back to close of it's where, where military action is a projection to continuation and handmade and then the diplomacy. so the, this is not appreciate, that diplomacy has gone up by the boards in united states and west of your and they

just cannot see that's a really and it's, it's an intellectual, conceptual failure. punch that the people can do things differently and have a different set of objectives. and that's where we are today. you know, deem it eventually all complex come to an end and all complex. there is an element of diplomacy at the very end of what is what initiative it has the west given russia to engage in diplomacy. in that sense, the west is rejected as completely well. i will the will get them to know why the frame uh, what hopefully kind of the united states on your end. that seems to be up to you in his presence for sprint off in 1992 bought a single. what they tried in gilbert didn't work for all the other mores were made by them. you know, uh they, they, uh why the smaller conflicting to bank loans like the protesting, serious thanks to them go into a single well, uh, we have many examples,

but i would like to quote, sent it to so much sugar wheelchair speaking against this bill. uh, at the sign its you said, we need to work with the, the green and rush it to m all these. and then he had a bump. that is called depot sheet. that's not going to come from us. unfortunately, i am afraid he was right because working with ukraine and ross, she's telling me when it was the last time when the states and the you would work with both sides of the boat. they was just support a bond side in syria. you leave it every as well. you know, gilbert were rapidly running out of time, but the secretary blinked and went to china and scolded them for backing russia and whatever form that he claims. there's not a lot of evidence, but it is what i find really interesting when you see the secretary's 8 lecturing

another country about helping another country. and it comes like, well, what is the west doing with you crate? i mean they, they, they don't see the symmetry. they, they don't, they, these people have no sense of, of, uh so, um it, they can see it, see how the other side would see the same problem. gilbert. well, the other side simply cannot be right there. there's one way to do it and that's our away. that's right. the way we have allies, but you don't have any. yeah. why did you cannot that always by definition, you are an axis of evil or whatever. and so there is this a mental failure not to put things together? yeah, well, mental. okay. yeah. well, i mean, i think the great, the steven cohen would probably the one of the greatest rushing us there ever was. we said, during the cold war you, we could, we needed to be in the other guy shoes to be able to see what's going on. that, that, that there's an inability of doing that. and i think that deem is ultimately, right. it's a very audiological. we have in all around the world that will the west that is ideological,

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