is concerned, see, is basic the mean looking at it in my view for his own personal, political, a domestic interest. and that is why he's operating, he is a multi all these uh elements meaning the citizen. oh, let me tell you is a great religion. and the 6 of them, there are a large number of people in the, in the they are in the defense. paul says they're in dusky, they're in business. they are very highly respected and the teachings of to you know, what to was mentioned in the apartment g of google. none of them do. who is the founder of the sick is on google. vincent, who was the last sick, could go to all of the 6. they are very, very respected, not only by the ordinary people, but by the leadership and all major events in the life of citizens. they are also celebrated and together in india. so i don't think there is any problem as far as

sick to them, the teachings of sick to the sick of really doing the sick people at them. so it is only it is a handful of people in the base. it can be in canada, full have a, you know, again, also for their own political ends has started promoting this idea of a separate uh, how this on uh, states uh, uh, toggle different. yeah. as i said, there is no attraction for that to name. yeah. and if that instruction for that in canada, maybe mister pool, instead of giving us all, he has 9600000 square feet almost as a flat. and the population is just about 40000000. possibly he can. caldwell, the smallest piece of land and provide it for the other son, and they can be whose college findings can be be happy in, in that particular area. yeah. so what are you, i appreciate you speaking to us today. thank you so much for your time. ashley. i think the john, how many, thanks

a thank you. thank you. and thank you for joining us. say on all the international web that was plenty more at the top of them. the, [000:00:00;00] the hello when welcome to prospect bullhorn and peter labelle here. we discussed some real news with the passage of binds huge for an a bill. it is important to ask, what is next? what is really the purpose of this aide to help you frame when we're only just start off to feet? for now, to discuss these issues and bar, i'm joined by gilbert caro in saint petersburg. he's an independent political

analyst, an author of memoirs of an ex pat manager in moscow during the 1990s. and here in moscow we have dimitry bob beach. he is a political analyst at spoke nick, international gentlemen cross type roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with the man here in moscow. well, we've had a week now to kind of digest the passage of the biden's huge for an, a built in an election year of all things. and of course we have the buys, but bi partisan consensus of foreign wars and intervention. you saw the results after the vote was taken on the house floor with the waving of the flags and everything for a lot of people in congress, it was a feel good thing. but in the, at the end of the day, even in mainstream media, there is a hardly a fair on biased towards russia. they're even asking the same questions at all of

us have been asking all the long. i mean, fine, you can dedicate money in weapons, but is it going to make any difference after a week of busy or do you mean what do you think? uh well 1st uh, some people just don't understand that the huge part of these 60 bottle beer that is going to be spent on your grain. a huge part of it is going to be spans the previous unity burgess. i mean is it, uh the budget is going to to compensate and to go on pay. busy for the delivery is that it's already made for the expenses to to go re weighed about $11000000000.00 are actually going to be spent on a nato troops. american troops next to quick. right. uh and the other thing is that uh, even though uh, i think it was drum, we insisted on that. we are going some people don't normally do this alone. i liked the phrase for. busy my senate, the senate, the told us to be a promo of a republican from alabama. he said,

don't let yourself be fooled. now the door of this is going to be paid for snow to low. you know, we know the regime that exists in ukraine since the $1014.00 was they get the money together. you know, they never, they back. so basically, i think everyone is more so the, what was the, will continue longer, more people are going to die. probably in areas far removed from the from flight because uh you'd ask, you will buy some so we'll just get full freed. long range. nice sipes. uh the american taxpayer will know it get keys or her money back. and again, uh to be go sided, don't let you so it would be fold. not all of this is going to be paid for. i'm going to print these dollars by going to borrow it from china. well, americans are concerned about their dependence on china. it's going to increase. yeah, will deem a and in this i'll throw it over to gilbert. i mean, if you read the fine print of the bill, it's

a sweet hard loan and the don't have to pay it back. it's in the bill itself. it was, it was uh, marketed in a very different way, but in the, if you look at the, the black and white it is an absolute giveaway. gilbert. i mean, it, it seems to me, and all of us have been watching this very closely. not since 2022, but since 2024. 14. at the very least, much longer actually in many ways, this is just as a to starve off to feet. they don't there, they can do they, they don't have a plan to when they just want to avoid losing, i guess because it's an election year gilbert. i agree completely with this. and there is a substantial consensus among experts. but i wouldn't necessarily say just opposition . people opposition to the, the washington narrative, but even in the mainstream, there is a consensus of this is not going to say, who give you claim the possibility of recovering his territory. that is

a loss cause i think the consensus of experts and even moving into mainstream is coming close to us. jack mode was saying about 4 months ago that this war has nothing to do with ukraine, has everything to do with the west. and russia and ukraine has been used and abused by the west care, callously viciously actually said to, to the maxima, to extend to cause of direction. i think what is more trouble, some more worries, some for us all isn't of the 61000000000 this been appropriated, or military, and 510 and budgetary assistance to ukraine. it is supposed going on just under the radar and not very, not very far below it. because it is being picked up by some stupid people. and about that, i mean, the, the dispatch to ukraine advisors advisors to assist with the most advanced equipment is now it's scheduled to be delivered to ukraine. this takes us back to

where were you wherever 19 sixty's with the american advisors and the as i'm. and that was a time when it was still an understanding of red lines to prevent a direct military clash between the secret powers that has gone away. there is no recognition of red lines, as mister cronin said in a very provocative way, but an accurate way and the possibility of vis escalating further. then you come mentally. this is really there. we have more and more, and they to advisors coming in. we have more and more targeting of those negative handled advisors by the russian minister defense and sooner or later, this becomes explosive. a. well, even a demo of course, i mean, many souls will say this is going up the escalation lighter, for the very reason. the gilbert just mentioned is that you're going to see more and more nato troops going into ukraine. but it belies the fact that no matter what the west does, these are the ukraine, the russians,

though it's directed against them. and there's a lot changing the, the, moving the needle as it were on the battlefield. i mean, there are a number of experts that you and i am gilbert of our audience follow is that being ukrainian lines are becoming weaker and weaker. and there could be some kind of break down. what does nato do then? uh, well, nature will say that just, you know, the dictator correct up to be strong. but then we expect the, the democracy is on the way around. the world. autocrats are on the rise, but going to care order with that. uh the protocol is that through night the states and the are being union kind of become ideological states, idaho, logical entities. and they have a control with immediate use up. so do you know, look, one of the main characteristics of authoritarian view is that you mix, cohen, morals and politics. so during the last 3 months,

the message that we've had from them very can get recreate from the european correspondence. it was, you're creating a sub dining room she's advancing and your mike johnson is to blame for that. you didn't give them much. so you are a bad, but you know, good, personally responsible for something. for everything that's happened seem to be, i mean, some bad problems. great. so there is the mix up of morals and 46, you know, the same way in the soviet union. if you were a gain spot. and if you said something bad about started, you just know you can just make a mistake, you're a very bad person, you've had to be a she and so. so we see this used to you and it's just a stone you how the media in the west changes it's dudes oh these few months before it was, you know, you bring in armies starting. there are no munitions,

all this because of white johnson. in fact, it was not true because of the munitions you live at. the 105-2023. you know, most of this money is going to be just compensating, you know, attempted one of the american, made it to industrial focus for that. but they wanted to create the s last year and saw them the after the money was the one actually physically, it's not you there and the nation, some of that. but suddenly the don't change. you know, some of the, we don't have all of these sent to mental articles about the soldiers and soft free offices and we've been savanski. and the story that was just the spelling informed me was how was your last? he said, how come when the israel, i'm sure you know when he's real, was it then? but you're arranging gross. everyone rushed to the help we 0. why are we not israel and the team a but for the very reasons

a gilbert just said it's not about ukraine. that's what's really tragic about. that is there, you know, you know, gilbert's this, you know, who we do as we are on this program. counter intuitive here, that the 61000000000 it and it doesn't really matter the amount i the, you know, people, um, uh, make the amount that the center of the story doesn't really matter. because all this does is that it speeds up the demise of what we know of ukraine. this is going to speed it up not as slow it down for the very reason that there is no strategic plan back we backing with. there's no strategic plan that this money is going to forward and that's the m s. the tragedy of it all. we're going to see math subcategories, and it's, it does say it's equipment is, is diaz diaz pointed out, is that a lot of it that it probably hasn't even been made yet? so i mean, this is really kind of a unicorn stuff, gilbert on both sides,

both on the russian side and on the american side and allied side of the there is a feeling that the coming months will be decisive. this act, if congress, which biting successfully remarkably got screwed over the opposition of trump. um that is, oh wow, that's, that's a little unclear gilbert. i mean, he was, you know, yeah, mike johnson, when tomorrow largo they got, they did the photo op. i mean, i think trump totally totally assembled this one and for a public relations point of view. go ahead. yeah. well, i think that's um the uh, the, the, its coming months are decisive for bite and his re election campaign. and this is a holding action will, it will hold or not loosely remains to be seen. it is understood the same way by the russians, that they have a period before them of several months to conclusively knock out ukraine before

this thing really goes off in a while direction. so i think we have to sit back, watch this closely, and see where is going. it could go to into world war 3 very easily. they could also, and in a, in a capitulation by ukraine very easily. so all the reasons that have been discussed, they're out of minutes, not just out of munitions, and to speak about russians. advantage of 5 to 107 to one in, in the artillery shells. there's thinking about that as, as if there's were a new development coming from the, the failure of the allies to deliver munitions to create that's rubbish. it's been 7 to 10 to one since since february of 2022. yep. um. so for the reading public, who is, who has been a slip for the last 2 years, this has noticed that the rest of us is not news at all. and you have to look for what spells the difference, the differences. there are other men, not out of munitions, and they, the members,

they're throwing in are unprepared every same. virtually every seem to be a gradient say about the russian army is simply a reversal effects. they're describing themselves. it's right and the say they're putting up all the train man and the rest and mobilization office. a lot of these lies are description of their own situation. all right, gilbert i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break gentlemen. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with r t the and the world's largest democracy votes. the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters. like who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the

welcome back to cross side boulevard design. peter roosevelt. command you were discussing some real names, deem uh, yeah, i'm gonna see him going back with him about the appropriation of the 61000000000 dollars, which of course, depending on how you count it, i mean, and some, some people pointed out a 1000000000 of it will be in cash, which i guess we all know what will happen to that very quickly. ok, corruption and you claim is only gotten worse. it's not gotten better unfortunately for the people of ukraine, for the people that actually want their pension and all that. i don't see why the united states the taxpayer should pay in other countries, pensions, maybe a topic of another program. but one could be much more cynical. this is one big wet kiss, good by there, washing their hands of it because they that's going to need that 61000000000 will go up and smoke quite literally, depending on how you want to interpret it. it's not good. it's not going to make a difference. on the battlefield, as we've already discussed in this program. so this was just kind of

a feel good vote a remarkably and may be one of your both of you want to address is why give bite and a when in an election year like this i, i'm simply mystified by the me. well, let's look at the fever. it was 40 or 46 been yeah. all of them all. 61 is going to be spent on the remaining. uh, i guess. uh, 15000000000 is going to be spent on ukraine and astro. right. is that possible? we will be in cash, and uh, it is suppose to punk and save the pension as well. it's very easy for the ukrainian government to steal that point. it's and during the debates of the senate, if you will send somebody to j. d ran some dollars, they raised it, they said, well, you said it was one of the most corrupt, obviously on the world. how come west stadium, them all money? i asked for the battle, growled the, this, the golds the ange sped zelan,

scanned his mazda a think of themselves. i just know 3, at least, you know, pay back right here. there are 2700000 people leaving the same year. you know, it has been a part of rationing by a seen 1783. the huge majority of the people that do not want to under any circumstance, you will back to great. you know, when american media was a little bit more on the 9th, it's look at the articles by side is to own an entry, know times by steve over just the oil roll. the russians make up with huge majority in britain, yet. that okay, with the present don't that they will not say no say even more i'm happy because they've been provided that you think. uh so why do you, what kind of on realistic goals, yukon we, you know, and, and what's, what's going on smacks or what need to do, you know, the congress, you know, the big bonus passed this bill while i'm off the is really,

i'm still announced you only be always ation $250000.00 man. we'll have to go to the army. that means to the front and, and you know that these tables think that you bring them down and there's no required and ukrainians leaving the girl to come to the cultural offices and sign up. uh, you know, clear out their situation. uh, their relationship with the army, otherwise they will not send you their prospects and all of these media. so then we'll, we'll become illegals. info on, why am i is i'm usually maybe gilbert knows this, but that's in contravention to e u laws. okay, mean these people are conscientious of a country, obviously, opposing this company, but that's neither here and or that would would, would gilbert what bothers me and is what we've seen over the last few months. um, particularly if we want to consider the, the implications of the attack on the concert hall in st. petersburg, it seems the u. s. because they are the ones that are calling the shots here. they want to rely more and more on terrorism, which of course,

is something that the russians will react to very, very strongly, obviously. so the, the, the, the a symmetrical, this of it is becoming more and more obvious. are you worried about that? um, escalating. you guys think this is difficult to contain entirely, a state sponsored terrorism. so the possibility of some sort of tragedy, a head kind of be excluded entirely. but nonetheless, what the result of this appropriation and the continuation of the work, and particularly the result of the ukrainian anticipated use of the, of the longer range missiles do attack civilian targets in russian will be a further aggravation or further intensification of what is being seen so last 2 months, when russia finally say, has been staging it's to attacks on the, on the generating plants thought on substations to destroy the,

in the infrastructure of electricity in ukraine. and to target. particularly the areas from which the most of the most of the vicious attacks on civilians in building to be able go to a regional russia have been stage name and, and that is and to me to take over. but uh, so essentially the ukraine, 2nd largest city, except that truck is then that's the, the, that the exits from car competitors can show it on television is going to continue as going to become still greater. um, so what i can see is one of the, as one of the not expected results that was going on is a further extension of rosky me or an investor near i live in brussels, i can tell you right now, sometimes i wonder if i'm in moscow 6, all i hear around me is a russian speech,

and this is from the so called ukrainians were now among us. and that is a fact of life that i see. and i don't see, i don't believe that there will be any return to a to ukraine of those whom i now see around me and then you really and brussel. but i'm sure you also see embarrassing and burden and other sol gilbert. i mean, if, if you're, if you're a young, you painting in woman and you have a child and that child is already speaking, or learning german or learning poll assure you know french that the likelihood of returning home to a devastated country is, but i will close to 0 um, in a, in a demo in a very shortly. um, president lot of, uh, what about the americas as zalinski will no longer be the legal president of ukraine. i thought it was quite interesting listening to the floor speeches about democracy versus authoritarianism. but zalinski will be an unelected. um, uh, why. so i don't know whatever term you want to,

viceroy dictate or strong man. i but we will be no legal legitimacy behind him maintaining power too low. i think that brings us back to this desperate question question from just ask you, why am i not israel? why? why did you bring the big israel? because your on, on the left to me the dream dictator and your a drafts secure just service. you know, dr. carson just visited your grant, and when he came back to the states, you said he held the what is be you around to. so all the time has to be your use of that uh, ingrained and secure to service. uh we, which people rarely see, or, i mean they see, or it's a lot more than soviet cage. you be, you know, and certainly more than f as b c. so the fact that he is not the left, that is just the smallest though, is since in reality of course, people did not support his actions, which led previous to that right? indeed, the 1st place,

it could be of one of the bunks of the times before it started on february 24th of 2022 you know, gilbert looking at some of the western media coverage. um, most of it is quite laughable. and obviously tragic because so many young men, particularly ukranian men, continue to die, but there's the new mantra. i mean, it's being introduced as a my who once results by victory day, bye bye, may 99. i. i just kind of just roll my eyes. i mean, if um there's been any, if there's this whole, this military campaign, the special military operation as it was initially called, called has no timelines at all. i haven't, they learned that by now that uh and into that maybe at the tail end of that is that the, the big russian defense of that's coming i, i don't see that either. i think that they see what they're doing is working. maybe not as fast as any of us would like,

but it is working. that's why they needed the $61000000000.00 gilbert homer about with kids who are in washington. 900 in berlin and in london have the same failure to think outside the box. they project on to russia was their own military campaign that looked like, and then they dropped conclusions. that rush of fails here and there because it hasn't done what they expect. any like the shopping. you know, i was not going to say they know they would. why is that russia using shocking off? yeah, so best really began in february 2022 and that's where we are today. they simply refused to learn that there are other ways to age of war. and there are other concepts of war making, then their own, and the russian concept goes, it goes back. that was invented here, it goes back to close of it's where, where military action is a projection. it's a continuation and a handmade and then of diplomacy. so the, this is not appreciate, it,

diplomacy has gone up by the boards in united states and rest of your and they just cannot see the civilian as an intellectual, conceptual failure, a bunch of stuff that people can do, things differently and have a different set of objectives, and that's where we are today, you know, deem it eventually it'll all complex come to an end and all complex. there is an element of diplomacy at the very end of what is what initiative it has the west given russia to engage in diplomacy. in that sense, the west is rejected. it completely. well, i will look at it to know why the frame uh what hopefully kind of the united states on your end. that seems to be up to you in his presence full sprint off in 1992. well the single they tried in gilbert didnt work. uh oh, the other mores were made by them. you know, uh they, they, uh, wide and small, completing the big loans like the protesting, serious thanks to them. go into

a single well uh, we have randy samples, but i would like to quote saying that the so much sugar wheelchair speaking against this bill. uh, at the sign its you said, we need to work with the green and rush it to m all these. and then he had a bought that is called depot cheap. that's not going to come from us. unfortunately, i am afraid he was right because working with ukraine and rough, she was telling me when it was the last time when the states and the you would work with both sides of the boat. they was just support a bond side in syria. you leave it every as well. you know, gilbert were rapidly running out of time, but the secretary blinked and went to china and scolded them for backing russia and whatever form that he claims. there's not a lot of evidence,

but it is what i find really interesting when you see the secretary's 8 lecturing another country about helping another country. and it comes like, well, what is the west doing with you crate? i mean they, they, they don't see the symmetry. they, they don't, they, these people have no sense of, of, uh so, um it, they can see it, see how the other side would see the same problem. gilbert. well, the other side simply cannot be right there. there's one way to do it and that's our way. that's right. the way we have allies, but you don't have any. yeah. why did you cannot that always by definition, you are an axis of evil or whatever. and so there is this a mental failure to put things together? yeah, well, mental. okay. yeah. well, i mean, i think the great, the steven cohen would probably the one of the greatest rushing us there ever was. we said, during the cold war you, we could, we needed to be in the other guy shoes to be able to see what's going on. that, that there's an inability of doing that. and i think that deem is ultimately right . it's a very ideological,

we have in all around the world that with the west that is ideological, most of the world once practical results. and that usually happens in history when you're a practical or a gentleman that's all the time we have one, i think my guess in saint petersburg and here in moscow in and of course i want to think of yours for watching us here. are the see you next time and remember cross stuck rules. the what is part of the allowed the employee would post good. isn't the the place you of us in that, in the word? or is it something deeper,

more complex might be present good. let's stop without cases. let's go out of the daily summons in a high ranking canadian discipline, i thought the prime minister just intruder joins into, you know, position the this at the local state community events. where when richard has with the foreign ministry claims that creates the political stage for the divisiveness, ukrainian troops continued the retreat while the reality behind washington's breast a package, the key of its thoughts from what the billions of dollars and why and that say that has no major issues also considering as well as most recent proposals along the way to case still lands hostage with these agreements in gaza. as