the purchase of the new purchase with the georgian government no longer wants to be a tool, because for many years it was forced to turn a blind eye to western pressure on georgia. back in 2012. when i was a future member of the parliament of georgia, this pressure already existed and it was rising more and more every year. apparently, the drawers in government has already decided that it is necessary to get rid of this somehow to abandon x. because georgia cannot become such a blind instrument in the hands of the united states. and the most important thing is that we have information that this money is being used incorrectly. if the us has good intentions, and any person with good intentions should prefer transparency, it could be seen what good deeds one is doing in the states, right? the country doesn't want to be open and transparent. welted is hiding something, right? this is simple logic. very simple and clear. on the other hand,

it seems that for the west, this is one might say, the last attempt to put pressure on georgia because after the 2024 elections, this will be impossible. i am absolutely sure of this. this is the last chance. this is the way to make a change of power through a cool. we know that about 20000 people in georgia are funded by these foreign sources. these are people who benefits with the help of non governmental organizations. the rest of the georgia in population does not support this, and everyone will see exactly how many people are opposed to this. and how many people want this lot to work in georgia and for transparency to be there for everyone. uh that brings us to the end of this and use block, but just a reminder to stay right in the loop today. keep across our social channels, give it a follow wherever you see the green and black device. the

hello, when welcome to prospect bullhorn and peter labelle. here we discuss some real news with the passage of binds huge for an a bill. it is important to ask, what is next? what is really the purpose of this aid to help you claim when, or only just starve off defeat? for now, to discuss these issues and for i'm joined by gilbert caro in st. petersburg. he's an independent political analyst, an author of memoirs. i'm an ex pat manager in moscow during the 19 ninety's. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bob beach. he is a political analyst at spoke nick, international gentlemen cross type roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. right, let's start out with the man here in moscow where we've had a week now to kind of digest the passage. you biden's huge for an a bill in an

election year of all things. and of course we have the bikes, but bi partisan consensus of foreign mores and intervention. you saw the results after the vote was taken on the house floor with the waving of the flags and everything for a lot of people and congress, it was a feel good thing. but in the, at the end of the day, even in main stream media, there is hardly a fair on biased towards russia. they're even asking the same questions that all of us have been asking all the long. i mean, fine, you can dedicate money in weapons, but is it going to make any difference after a week of this here? do you mean what do you think? well 1st, some people just don't understand that a huge part of the 60 bottle of beer that is going to be spent on your brain. a huge part of it is going to be spent of the previous really but it's,

i mean is the, uh, the budget is going to compensate and to go on for. busy for the deliveries that is already made for the expenses that already weighed. about 11000000000 are actually going to be spent on a nato troops. american troops next be great. right. uh and uh, and the other thing is that uh, even though uh, i think it was drunk, we insisted from that via my going. some people don't fully do these alone. i liked the phrase. busy mm hm. i sent it the send it the old list to be a promo of republican from obama. he said, don't let yourself be fooled. now the door of this is going to be paid for snow to low. you know, we know the regime that exists in ukraine since the $1014.00 was they get the money together. you know, they never, they, but so basically, i think everyone is more so the what? well, the will continue. no longer,

more people are going to die. probably in areas far removed from the from flight. because uh, you'd ask, you will buy some so we'll just get the full free, long range. nice sipes. uh, the american taxpayer will never get keys or her money back. and again, the cubicles started don't let you, so it'd be fooled. not all of this is going to be paid by going to print these dollars, but we're going to borrow it from china. well, the americans are concerned about their dependence on china. it's going to increase, so yeah, we'll deem it and then this, i'll throw it over to gilbert. i mean, if you read the fine print of the bill, it's a sweet hard loan. the don't have to pay it back. it's in the bill itself. it was, it was marketed in a very different way, but in the, if you look at the, the black and white it is an absolute giveaway. gilbert. i mean, it, it seems to me, and all of us have been watching this very closely. not since 2022, but since 2024. 14. at the very least, much longer actually in many ways,

this is just as a to start off to feet. they don't, they, they can do. maybe they don't have a plan to when they just want to avoid losing, i guess because it's an election year gilbert. i agree completely with this. and there is a substantial consensus among experts. but i wouldn't necessarily suggest opposition . people opposition to the the washington narrative. but even in the mainstream, there is a consensus that this is not going to say who give you claim the possibility of recovering his territory. that is a loss cause i think a consensus of experts and even moving into mainstream is coming close to us. jack mode was saying about 4 months ago that this war has nothing to do with you. crane has everything you do with the west, and russia and ukraine has been used and abused by the west care, callously viciously actually said to,

to the maxima could extend to cause time direction. i think what is more trouble? some more worries, some for us all, isn't of the 61000000000 just been appropriated for military and find headings and budgetary assistance to ukraine. it as well as going on just under the radar and not very, not very far below it because it is being picked up by some stupid people about that. i mean, they, the dispatcher to ukraine of advisors advisors to assist with the most advanced equipment. there's no, it's scheduled to be delivered to ukraine. this takes us back to where were you wherever the 19 sixty's with the american advisors and the as i'm. and that was a time when it was still an understanding of red lines to prevent a direct military clash between the superpowers that has gone a wait, there is no recognition of red lines, as mister cronin said in a very provocative way,

but an accurate way. then the possibility of this escalating further, then you conventionally is really there. we have more and more nato advisors coming in. we have more and more targeting, and those may go down to advisors by the russian minister defense. and sooner or later, this becomes explosive, as well, even a demo. of course, i mean, many souls will say that this is going up, the escalation lighter. for the very reason the gilbert just mentioned is a new going to but see more and more nato troops going into ukraine. but of allies, the fact that no matter what the west does, visa the ukraine, the russians though it's directed against them. and as well as changing the, the, moving the needle as it were on the battlefield. i mean, there are a number of experts that you and i am gilbert of our audience follow is that being a great in lines are becoming weaker and weaker. and there could be some kind of

break down. what does nato do then? well, nature will say that just, you know, the dictator correct up to be strong, but then we expect the, the democracy is on the way around the world or the grants are on the right is we're going to here order with that uh, the opponent lives, the through night, the states and the, or being union kind of become ideological states, idea, logical entities. and they have a control where they moved it is up. so do you know, look, one of the main categories sticks over. it's a different view, is that you mix cohen, morals and politics. so during the last 3 months, the message that because from them very to get great from the european correspondence, it was, you're creating a sub dining room. she's advancing. and your mike joso is waiting for that. you didn't give them much. so you are a bad, but you know, good,

personally responsible for something for everything that's happened. see me says bad that happens break. so there is the mix up of morals and $46.00. you know, the same way in the soviet union if you were again start and if you said something bad about started, you just know you can just make a mistake. you're a very bad person. you had to be a, she go so. so we see this used to you and it's just a stone you how the media in the west changes it's cubes all of these few months before it was, you know, you create armies starting. there are no munitions, all this because of white john some. in fact, it was not true because of the munitions you live at the 1000 think the 2023. you know, most of this money is going to be just compensating, you know, attempted one of the american media to industrial focus for that. but they wanted to create that asp last year and saw them the after the money was the one actually

physically, it's not you there and the nation, some of the southern the, the don't changed. you know, told me that we don't have all of these sent to mental articles about the soldiers and soft free offices. and so we've been savanski and the story that was just the smell again for me was how was the last he said, how come when the ears real, i'm sure, you know when he's real, wasn't there, but you're right. you ranging roles. everyone rushed to the help result. why are we not israel and the team a but for the very reasons, a gilbert just said it's not about ukraine. that's what's really practicable. but it's very, you know, you know, gilbert's this, you know, who we do as we are on this program. counter intuitive here. that the 61000000000 it. and it doesn't really matter the amount at the end, you know, people um, uh, make the amount that the center of the story doesn't really matter. because all

this does is that it speeds up the demise of what we know of ukraine. this is going to speed it up nots. it's slow it down for the very reason that there is no strategic plan back we backing with. there's no strategic plan that this money is going to forward and that's the m. s. the tragedy of it all. we're going to see math, substantial t's and it's been busy its equipment. um is, is d as the mist pointed out, is that a lot of it that probably hasn't even been made yet? so i mean, this is really kind of a unicorn stuff, gilbert on both sides, both on the russian side and on the american side and allied side of the there is a ceiling. the coming months will be decisive. this act, if congress, which biting successfully remarkably got screwed over the opposition of trump. um that is, oh wow, that's, that's a little unclear gilbert. i mean, he was, you know,

yeah, mike johnson, when tomorrow largo they got, they did the photo op. i mean, i think trump totally totally um um um um, fumbled this one and for a public relations point of view. go ahead. yeah. well, i think that's um the uh the, the is coming months or decisive for bite and his re election campaign. and this is a holding action will, it will hold or not loosely remains to be seen. it is understood the same way by the russians, that they have to read it before them of several months to conclusively knock out ukraine before this thing really goes off in a while direction. so i think we have to sit back, watched this closely and see where is going. it could go to into world war 3 very easily. they could also, and in a, in a capitulation by ukraine very easily. so all the reasons that have been discussed,

they're out of minutes, not just out of munitions, and to speak about russians. advantage of 5 to 107 to one in, in the artillery shells. there's thinking about that as, as if it were a new development coming from the, the failure of the allies to deliver munitions to create that's rubbish. it's been 7 to 10 to one since since february of 2022. yep. um. so for the reading public who is, who has been sleep for the last 2 years, this has noticed that the rest of us is not news at all. and you have to look for what spells the difference. the difference is the right of man. not out of munitions and late the members the throwing in are unprepared. every thing virtually, every single ukrainian say about the russian army is simply a reversal effects. they're describing themselves. it's right and the say they're putting up all the trains man and the rest and mobilization office. and so these lies are description of their own situation. alright and gilbert,

i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break gentlemen. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with r t. the, the, the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify all confused who really wants

a better wills and is it just as a chosen few. fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can the welcome back across side bullhorn, john peter roosevelt to mind you were discussing some real names, deem a deal. i'm a theme going back with him about the appropriation of the $61000000000.00, which of course, depending on how you count it, i mean, and some, some people pointed out a 1000000000 of it will be in cash, which i guess we all know what will happen to that very quickly. ok, corruption and you claim has only gotten worse. it's not gotten better unfortunately for the people of ukraine, for the people that actually want their pension and all that. i don't see why the united states the tax payer should pay another country's pensions. maybe

a topic of another program, but one could be much more cynical. this is one big wet kiss, good by there, washing their hands of it because they that's going to need that 61000000000 will go up in smoke quite literally depending on how you want to interpret it. it's not good. it's not going to make a difference. on the battlefield, as we've already discussed in this program. so this was just kind of a feel good vote a remarkably and maybe one of your both of you want to address is why give bite and a when in an election year like this i, i'm simply mystified by the me. well, let's look at the fever for to you what you 6 being you owe them all. 61 is going to be spent on the remaining. uh, i guess the 15000000000 is going to be spent on ukraine. additional right to decide parker, we will be in cash, and uh, it is supposed to bulk and save the pension as well. it's very easy for the

ukrainian government to steal that point. and during the debates of the senate, if you will send it to somebody, j d ran some dollars, they raised it, they said, well, you said it was about of the most corrupt start using the world. how come west changing them? our money? i asked for the bethel grove, this for the golds the ange spends the land scan is most of us think of themselves . i just know 3, at least, you know, pay back. right. and you are, there are 2700000 people leaving that same year. you know, it has been a part of roughly by a seen 1783. the huge majority of the people that do not want under any circumstance to go back to great. you know, when american media was a little bit more on this, you know, the 9th, it's look at the articles by side as to own and to know times by steve rober, just the oil roll. the russians make up with huge majority in britain yet. that

okay, we think they don't that they will not know that even more, i'm happy because they get combined at that. uh so why do you, what kind of on realistic goals, yukon we, you know, and what, what's going on smacks or what need to do? you know, the congress, you know, the bonus passed this bill while i'm off the is really, i'm still announced the only bill is ation $250000.00. ma'am. we'll have to go to the army. that means to the front and, and you know that these terrible things that you bring them down and there's not required. and ukraine is leaving the girl to come to the cultural offices and sign up. uh, you know, clear out their situation. uh, their relationship with the army, otherwise they will not send you their prospects and all of these media. so then we'll, we'll become illegals. info on it, because i'm usually maybe gilbert knows this, but that's in contravention to o. e u laws. okay, mean these people are conscientious of a country, obviously,

opposing this company, but that's neither here nor there would would, would gilbert with bothers me and is what we've seen over the last few months. and particularly, we want to consider the, the implications of the attack on the concert hall in st. petersburg, it seems the u. s, because they are the ones that are calling the shots here. they want to rely more and more on terrorism, which of course, is something that the russians will react to very, very strongly, obviously. so the, the, the, the a symmetrical and this of it is becoming more and more obvious. are you worried about that mescal leading? the guys thinks this is difficult to contain entirely a state sponsored terrorism. so the possibility of some sort of tragedy a head cannot be excluded entirely. none the less way. the result of this appropriation and the continuation of the work and particularly result of the

ukrainian anticipated use of the of the longer range missiles to, to attack civilian targets in russia will be of further aggravation. and further intensification of what is being seen for the last 2 months when russia finally uh us. it has been staging to attacks on the, on the generating plants on substations to destroy the right infrastructure of electricity and ukraine. and to target, particularly the areas from which the most of the most of the vicious attacks on civilians in building to be able to guard the region of russia having stage name and, and that is and to me to take over that. uh, so essentially the ukraine, 2nd largest city, a truck truck is then that's the,

the lag, the exits, chrome car, competitors can show a lot of television is going to continue was going to come still greater. so what i can see is one of the, as one of the not expected results that was going on is a further extension of rosky me or an investor near. i live in brussels, i can tell you right now, sometimes i wonder if i'm wrong. i'm in moscow 6, all i hear around me is a russian speech, and this is from the so called ukrainians were now among us. and that is the fact of life that i see. and i don't see, i don't believe that there will be any return to a to ukraine of those whom i now see around me and then you go and brussel, but i'm sure you also see embarrassment and burden and other sl gilbert. i mean, if you're, if you're a young, you painting and woman and you have a child and that child is already speaking or learning german or learning poll assure you know french that the likelihood of returning home to a devastated country is bubble close to 0. um, you know, a demon in

a very shortly. um, president lot of, uh, what about the americas as zalinski will no longer be the legal president of ukraine. i thought it was quite interesting listening to the floor speech is about democracy versus authoritarianism. but zalinski will be an unelected. um, uh, why. so i don't know whatever term you want to, viceroy dictate or strong man. i wish we will be no legal legitimacy behind to maintaining power too low. i think that brings us back to this desperate question question from did ask you, why am i not israel? why? why did you bring the big israel? because your on, on the left to me the dream dictator and your a drafts secure just service. you know, dr. car, some just visited your grand and when he came back to the states, you said, you heard the what s b you around to. so all the time has to be your use of that uh,

ingrained and secured to service. uh we, which people really feel, i mean, they sealed it somewhat more than soviet cage you be, you know, and certainly more than f as b c. so the fact that he is not the left to is just the smallest of is since in reality, of course, people did not support his actions, which lead through is that right? indeed, the 1st place, it could be a, one of the bunks of the times before it started on february 24th of 2000. and thank you to you know, and gilbert looking at some of the western media coverage. um, most of it is quite laughable. and obviously tragic because so many young men, particularly ukranian men, continue to die. but there's the new mantra. i mean it's being introduced. is it? um uh, who wants results by victory day, bye bye. may 9, 39. i, i just kind of just roll my eyes. i mean, if um there's been any,

if there's this to this military campaign, the special military operation, as it was initially called, called has no timelines at all. i haven't, they learned that by now that uh and into that maybe the tail end of that is that the, the big russian defense of that's coming. i, i don't see that either. i think that they see what they're doing is working. maybe not as fast as any of us would like, but it is working. that's why they needed the $61000000000.00 gilbert homer about with kids who are in washington. 900 in berlin and in london have the same failure to think outside the box. they project on to russia, what their own military campaign would look like. and then they draw conclusions that russia fails here and there, because it hasn't done what they expect any like the shopping. i was not going to say they know they would y, as in russia using shocking off. yeah. so best really began in february 2022 and

that's where we are today. they simply refused to learn that there are other ways to age of war and there are other concepts of war making, then their own. and the russian concept goes, it goes back, that was invented here, it goes back to close of it's where, where military action is a projection. it's a continuation and a handmade and then of diplomacy. so the, this is not appreciate that diplomacy has gone up by the boards in united states and west of year. and they just cannot see the civilian. they send the intellectual conceptual failure, a bunch of stuff that people can do, things differently and have a different set of objectives. and that's where we are today, you know, deem it eventually all conflicts come to an end and all complex. there is an element of diplomacy at the very end of what it, what initiative it has the west given russia to engage in diplomacy. in that sense, the west is rejected. it completely. well, i will look at the why the frame uh,

what hopefully kind of the united states on your end. that seems to be up to you in his presence full sprint off in 1992 bought a single. what they tried in gilbert didn't work for all the other mores were made by them. you know, uh they, they, uh, why don't small conflicting to bank loans like the protest in syria. thanks to them go into a single well, uh, we have many examples, but i would like to quote saying that the so much sugar wheelchair speaking against this bill. uh, at the sign its you said, we need to work with the green and rush it to m all this and then he had a bump that is called the po cheat. that's not going to come from us. unfortunately, i am afraid he was right. because what can we have your great and rough? she's sick. tell me when it was the last time when i'll do magistrates and be you

would walk with both sides of the boat. that was just for the bonds side in syria, elite be every as well. you know, gilbert were rapidly running out of time, but the secretary blinked and went to china and scolded them for backing and russia and whatever form that he claims. so there's not a lot of evidence, but it's what i find really interesting when you see the secretaries a lecturing another country about helping another country. and it comes like, well, what is the west doing with you crate? i mean they, they, they don't see the symmetry. they, they don't, they, these people have no sense of, of a sofa and they can't see it. see how the other side would see the same problem. gilbert. well, the other side simply cannot be right there. there's one way to do it and that's our way. that's right the we, we have allies, but you don't have any i was you cannot that always by definition. you are an axis of evil or whatever. and so there is this

a mental failure not to put things together? yeah. oh, well, mental. okay. yeah. well, i mean, i think the great, the steven cohen would probably the one of the greatest rushing us there ever was. we said, during the cold war you, we could, we needed to be in the other guy shoes to be able to see what's going on, that, that there is an inability of doing that. and i think that deem is ultimately right . it's a very ideological, we have in all around the world that with the west that is ideological, that most of the world once practical results. and that usually happens in history when you're a practical or a gentleman that's all the time we have one. i think my guess in saint petersburg and here in moscow, and of course i want to think our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. and remember, cross stop rules the,

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