story and who studies the wonders of moscow, metro. the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn and peter labelle. here we discuss some real news with the passage of binds huge for an aide bill. it is important to ask what is next? what is really the purpose of this aide to help you claim when or only just star boff defeat? for now, to discuss these issues and bore, i'm joined by gilbert caro in st. petersburg. he's an independent political analyst, an author of memoirs. i'm an ex pat manager in moscow during the 19 ninety's, and here in moscow we have dmitri bob beach. he is a political analyst at sp, nick, international gentlemen cross type roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. right, let's start out with the man here in moscow where we've had

a week now to kind of digest the passage of a biden's huge for an a bill in an election year of all things. and of course we have the bikes, but bi partisan consensus of foreign mores and intervention. you saw the results after the vote was taken on the house floor with the waving of the flags and everything. for a lot of people and congress, it was a feel good thing, but in the, at the end of the day, even in main stream media, there isn't a hardly a fair on biased towards russia. they're even asking the same questions that all of us have been asking all the long. i mean, fine, you can dedicate money in weapons, but is it going to make any difference after a week of this here? do you mean what do you think? well 1st, some people just don't understand that a huge part of these 60 bundle bill that is going to be spent on your grain if you've spot. so it's just going to be spans the previous really, but it's,

i mean is good. uh, the budget is going to compensate and to go on full for the deliveries that is already made for the expenses that was already weighed. about 11000000000 are actually going to be spent on a nato troops. american troops next be great. right. uh and uh, and the other thing is that uh, even though uh, i think it was drunk, we insisted on that via my going some, even though formerly is alone. i liked the phrase for. busy them i sent it the send it the old list to be a promo of republican from obama. he said, don't let yourself be fooled. know the door of this is going to be paid for snow to low. you know, we know the regimes that exist in your brain since the $1014.00 was they get the money together. you know, the never the back. so basically, i think everyone is more so the, well,

the will continue no longer. more people are going to die, probably in areas far removed from the front line because uh it ask you will buy some so we'll just get the full free, long range. nice sipes. uh, the american taxpayer will never get keys or her money back. and again, uh, 2 bills, so the don't let you say it will be full. not of this is going to be paid by going to print these dollars, but we're going to borrow it from china. well, they dream. i married us are concerned about their dependence on china. it's going to increase. yeah. will deem a and then this, i'll throw it over to gilbert. i mean, if you read the fine print of the bill, it's a sweet, hard low, and the d don't have to pay it back. it's in the bill itself. it was, it was marketed in a very different way. but in the, if you look at the, the black and white it is an absolute give away gilbert. i mean, it, it seems to me and all of us have been watching this very closely. not so is 2022,

but since 2024. 14, at the very least, much longer actually in many ways, this is just as a to start off to feet. they don't, they, they can do, maybe they don't have a plan to wait and they just want to avoid losing, i guess because it's an election year gilbert. i agree completely with this. and there is a substantial consensus among experts. but i wouldn't necessarily suggest opposition . people opposition to the, the washington narrative, but even in the mainstream, there is a consensus that this is not going to say, we give you claim the possibility of recovering his territory. that is a loss cause i think a consensus of experts and even moving into mainstream is coming close to us. jack mode was saying about 4 months ago that this war has nothing to do with you. crane is everything you do with the west and russia and ukraine has been used and abused by the west care, callously viciously actually said to, to the maxima,

to extend to cause of direction. i think what is more trouble? some more worries, some for us all, isn't of the 61000000000 just been appropriated for military and find headings and budgetary systems to ukraine. it as well as going on just under the radar. and not very, not very far below it because it is being picked up by some stupid people. and the by that, i mean, they, the dispatcher to ukraine of advisors advisors to assist with the most advanced equipment. there's no, it's scheduled to be delivered to ukraine. this takes us back to where were you wherever, in 19 sixty's, with the american advisers in vietnam. and that was a time when it was still an understanding of red lines to prevent a direct military clash between the superpowers that has gone away. there is no recognition of deadlines this mister crone said in a, in a very provocative way,

but an accurate way. then the possibility of this escalating further, then you conventionally is really there. we have more, more nato advisors coming in. we have more and more targeting of those negative handled advisors by the russian minister defense and sooner or later, this becomes explosive. well, even a demo of course, i mean many souls will say that this is going up, the escalation lighter. and for the very reason the gilbert just mentioned is that you're going to receive more and more nato troops going into ukraine. but it belies the fact that no matter what the west does, these are the ukraine, the russians, though it's directed against them. and there's a lot changing the, the, moving the needle as it were on the battlefield. i mean, there are a number of experts that you and i am gilbert of our audience follow is that of the ukrainian lines are becoming weaker and weaker and there could be some kind of

break down. what does nato do then? uh well, nature will say that just, you know, the dictator correct off to be strong, but then we expect the, the democracy is on the way around the world or the grants are on the rise. but going to care order with that. the protocol is that through night the states and the are being union kind of become ideological states, idea, logical entities. and they have a control whether the media is up. so do you know, look, one of the main categories sticks over to the derek g. is that you mix cohen morals and 46. so during the last 3 months, the message that the crab program very can get great from the european correspondence. it was, you're creating a sub dining rush. she's advancing. and your mike joso is to blame for that. you didn't give the much, so you are a bad but, you know,

got personally responsible for something for everything that's happened to me. so bad that happens. great. so there is the mix up of morals and $46.00. you know, you the same way in the soviet union, if you were a gain spot and if you said something bad about started, you just know you can just make a mistake. you're a very bad person, you had to be a she and so so we see this used to be a and it's just a stone. you how the media in the west changes it's dudes all of these few months before it was, you know, you korean armies starting uh, there are no munitions, all this because of white johnson. in fact, it was not true because of the munitions you live at. the 105-2023. you know, most of this money is going to be just compensating, you know, attempted one of the american, maybe 2 industrial folk explore that. but they wanted to create the s last year and

saw them the after the money was the one actually physically, it's not you there and the nation, some of that. but suddenly, the don't change, you know, totally, we don't have all of these tend to mental articles about the soldiers and soft free offices and we've been savanski and the story that was just the style again for me was how was the last he said, how come when the israel, i'm in for sure, you know, when he's real, was it then? but you're arranging roles. everyone rushed to the help we 0. why are we not israel and the team a but for the very reasons, a gilbert just said it's not about ukraine. that's what's really practicable, but it's very, you know, you know, gilbert's this, you know, who we do as we are on this program. counter intuitive here. that the 61000000000 it. and it doesn't really matter the amount at the end, you know, people um, uh, make the amount that the center of the story doesn't really matter. because all

this does is that it speeds up the demise of what we know of ukraine. this is going to speed it up, not as slow it down for the very reason that there is no strategic plan back we backing with. there's no strategic plan that this money is going to forward and that's the and that's the tragedy of it all. we're going to see math, some casualties, and it's is a, it's equipment is, is diaz diaz pointed out, is that a lot of it that probably hasn't even been made yet. so i mean, this is really kind of a unicorn stuff, gilbert on both sides, both um the russian side and on the american side and that large side of the, there is a ceiling. the coming months will be decisive. this act of congress, which binding successfully remarkably got screwed over deposition of trump. um that is, oh wow, that's, that's a little unclear gilbert. i mean, he was, you know,

yeah, mike johnson, when tomorrow largo they got, they did the photo op. i mean, i think from totally, totally assembled this one and for a public relations point of view. go ahead. yeah. well, i think that's um the uh, the, the is coming months or decisive for bite and his re election campaign. and this is a holding action will, it will hold or not loosely remains to be seen. it is understood the same way by the russians, that they have to read it before them of several months to conclusively knock out the crane before this thing really goes off in a while direction. so i think we have to sit back, watch this closely and see where is going. it could go to into world war 3 very easily. think that also and in a, in a capitulation by ukraine, the recently. so all the reasons that have been discussed, they're out of minutes,

not just out of munitions, and to speak about russians. advantage of 5 to one or 7 to one in he and artillery shells. there's thinking about that as, as if there's were a new development coming from the, the failure of the allies to deliver munitions to create that's rubbish. it's been 7 to 10 to one since since february of 2022. yep. um. so for the reading public, who is who has been to sleep for the last 2 years, this has noticed that the rest of us is not news at all. and you have to look for what spells the difference. the difference is the right of man. not out of munitions and late the members the throwing in are unprepared. every thing, virtually every seem to be a great insight about the russian army is simply a reversal effects. they're describing themselves. it's right and the say they're putting up all the trains man and the rest and mobilization office. and so these lies are description of their own situation. all right,

gilbert i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break gentlemen. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our tea, the russian states. whenever i started, the science community saw something set up the in the system must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say stephen twist, which is the

the welcome back across that bullhorn design,

peter level to remind you were discussing some real names, deem it beyond the theme of going back with him about the appropriation of the $61000000000.00. which of course, depending on how you count it, i mean, and some, some people pointed out a 1000000000 of it will be in cash, which i guess we all know what will happen to that very quickly. ok, corruption and you claim is only gotten worse. it's not gotten better unfortunately for the people of ukraine, for the people that actually want their pension and all that. i don't see why the united states the tax payer should pay in other countries, pensions, maybe a topic of another program. but one could be much more cynical. this is one big wet kiss, good by there, washing their hands of it because they that's going to need that 61000000000 will go up in smoke quite literally depending on how you want to interpret it. it's not good. it's not going to make a difference. on the battlefield,

as we've already discussed in this program. so this was just kind of a feel good vote a remarkably and maybe one of your both of you want to address is why give bite and a when in an election year like this i, i'm simply mystified by the me. well, let's look at the fever for to you what you 6 being you owe them all. 61 is going to be spent on the remaining. uh, i guess uh, 15000000000 is going to dispense on ukraine. additional right. is that possible? we will be in cash and uh it is supposed to bunk and save the pension as well. it's very easy for the ukrainian government to steal that point. and during the debates of the senate, if you will send it to somebody, j d ran some dollars. they raised it, they said, well, you said it was one of the most corrupt doctors in the world. how come west changing them all money? no. i asked for the battle ground this, the golds the ange spends the land skin is mazda

a sake of themselves. i just know 3, at least, you know, pay back right here. there are 2700000 people leaving that same year. you know, it has been a part of roughly by a seen 17 ages. we the huge majority of the people that do not want under any circumstance to go back to great. you know, when american media was a little bit more on the 9th, it's look at the articles by side as to own in, in the know times by steve, with just the oil roll, the russians make up with huge majority in britain yet. that okay, we think great don't that they will not know that say even more i'm happy because they get combined at that. uh so why do you, what kind of on realistic goals, yukon we, you know, and what, what's going on smacks or what need to do, you know, the congress, you know, the bonus boss this bill while i'm off the, is really the announced the only bill is ation $250000.00 ma'am. we'll have to go

to the army. that means to the front and, and uh, you know, that these terrible thing that you bring him down that is not required and ukrainians, leaving the girl to come to the cultural offices and sign up. uh, you know, clear out their situation. uh, their relationship with the army, otherwise they will not send you their prospects and all of these media. and so then we'll, we'll become illegals. info on it, because i'm usually maybe gilbert knows this, but that's in contravention to e u laws. okay, mean these people are conscientious of a country, obviously, opposing this company, but that's neither here nor there would would, would gilbert with bothers me and is what we've seen over the last few months. and particularly, we want to consider the of the implications of the attack on the concert hall in st . petersburg. it seems the, the us because they are the ones that are calling the shots here. they want to rely

more and more on terrorism, which of course, is something that the russians will react to very, very strongly, obviously. so the, the, the, the a symmetrical, and this of it is becoming more and more obvious. are you worried about that mescal leading? you guys think this is difficult to contain entirely, a state sponsored terrorism. so the possibility of some sort of tragedy, a head cannot be excluded entirely. none the less way. the result of this appropriation and the continuation of the work and particularly result of the ukrainian anticipated use of the of the longer range missiles do attack civilian targets in russia will be of further aggravation. and further intensification of what is being seen for the last 2 months when russia finally uh us, it has been staging it to attacks on the,

on the generating plants on substations to destroy the in the right infrastructure of electricity and ukraine. and to target, particularly the areas from which the most of the most of the vicious attacks on civilians in building to be able to guard the region of russia having stage name and, and that is and to me to take over but a, so essentially the ukraine 2nd largest city, a truck truck is then that's the, the lag, the exits, chrome car competitors can show a lot of television is going to continue as going to become still greater. so what i can see is one of the r, as one of the not expected results that was going on, is a further extension of rosky me or an investor near. i live in brussels, i can tell you right now, sometimes i wonder if i'm wrong. i'm in moscow 6, all i hear around me is a russian speech,

and this is from the so called ukrainians for now among us. and that is a fact of life that i see. and i don't see, i don't believe that there will be any return to a to ukraine of those who might now see around me in, in your very, in brussel. but i'm sure you also see embarrassment and burden and other sl gilbert . i mean, if, if you're, if you're a young, you paid in woman and you have a child and that child is already speaking, or learning german or learning polish, or, you know, french that the likelihood of returning home to a devastated country is bubble close to 0. um, you know, a demon in a very shortly. um president a lot of, uh, what about the americas as zalinski will no longer be the legal president of ukraine. i thought it was quite interesting listening to the floor speeches about democracy versus authoritarianism. but zalinski will be an unelected. um, uh, why. so i don't know whatever term you want to vice right dictator. strong man i

with who will be no legal legitimacy behind to maintaining power too low. i think that brings us back to these a desperate question. restroom from just ask you, why am i not israel? why? why did you bring all the big israel? because your on, on the left to me the dream dictator and your draft the security service. you know, dr. carson just visited your grant, and when he came back to the states, you said he heard the what s b you around to? so all the time has to be your use of that uh, ingrained and secure to service. uh we, which people really feel, i mean, they sealed it somewhat more than soviet cage. you be, you know, and certainly more than f as b c. so the fact that he is not elected is just the smallest of is since, you know, really to, of course people did not support his excellence,

which led progress to that, right. indeed, the 1st place, it could be a one of the bunks of the times before it started on february 24th of 2022 you know, gilbert looking at some of the western media coverage. um, most of it is quite laughable. and obviously tragic because so many young men, particularly ukranian men, continue to die. but there's the new mantra. i mean, it's being introduced as a ma who wants results by victory day, bye bye, may 9. so, you know, i, i just kind of just roll my eyes. i mean, if, um, there's been any, if there's this to this military campaign, the special military operation, as it was initially called, called has no timelines at all. i haven't, they learned that by now that uh and into that maybe the tail end of that is that the, the big russian defense of that is coming. i, i don't see that either. i think that they see what they're doing is working. maybe

not as fast as any of us would like, but it is working. that's why they needed the $61000000000.00. gilbert drew a whole lot about with kids who are in washington. 900 in berlin and in london. have the same failure to think outside the box. they project on to russia was their own military campaign that looked like. and then they dropped conclusions. that rush of fails here and there because it hasn't done once, they expect any like the shopping. you know, i was not going to say they know they would. why is that russia using shocking off? yeah. so best really began in february 2022 and that's where we are today. they simply refused to learn that there are other ways to age of war and there are other concepts of war making, then their own. and the russian concept goes, it goes back that was invented here, it goes back to close of it's where, where military action is at projection. so continuation and handmade and then of diplomacy. so the, this is not appreciate,

that diplomacy has gone up by the boards in united states and the rest of your and they just cannot see that. so really, and they send me an intellectual, conceptual failure, a bunch of stuff that people can do, things differently and have a different set of objectives. and that's where we are today, you know, deem it eventually all conflicts come to an end and all complex. there is an element of diplomacy at the very end of what is what initiative it has the west given russia to engage in diplomacy. in that sense, the west is and rejected it completely. well, i will look at them to know why the frame uh, what hopefully part of the united states of the you and that since the up the way to spread it was full spread off in 1990 took both a single what they tried in gilbert didn't work for all the other morris were made by them. you know, uh they, they, uh, why don't small conflicting to bank loans like the protest in syria. thanks to them

. go into a single well, uh, we have wayne examples, but i would like to quote saying that the so much sugar wheelchair speaking against this bill. uh, at the sign its you said, we need to work with the green and rush it to m all this and then he had a bump that is called the po cheat. that's not going to come from us. unfortunately, i am afraid he was right, because working with you great and rough, she was telling me when it was the last time when i'll do my dissertation be you would work with both sides of the book that was just for the bottom side in syria. elite be every as well, you know, gilbert were rapidly running out of time, but the secretary blinked and went to china and scolded them for backing and russia and whatever form that he claims. so there's not a lot of evidence,

but it's what i find really interesting when you see the secretaries a lecturing another country about helping another country. and it comes like, well, what is the west doing with you create? i mean they, they, they don't see the symmetry. they did, they don't, they, these people have no sense of self and it, they can't see it. see how the other side would see the same problem. gilbert. well, the other side simply cannot be right there. there's one way to do it and that's our way. that's right. the way we have allies, but you don't have any. yeah. why did you cannot that always by definition, you are an axis of evil or whatever. and so there is this a mental failure not to put things together? yeah, well, mental. okay. yeah. well, i mean, i think the great, the steven cohen would probably the one of the greatest rushing us there ever was. we said, during the cold war you, we could, we needed to be in the other guy shoes to be able to see what's going on. that, that there's an inability of doing that and i think deem is ultimately right. it's

very ideological. we have in all around the world, that's where the west is ideological. most of the world once practical results. and that usually happens in history when you're a practical or a gentleman that's all the time. we have one at bank, my guess in saint petersburg and here in moscow in and of course i want to think of yours for watching us here are the see you next time. and remember across the rules . the the 1935 fast is easily led by dictator benito mussolini decided to expand its colonial empire in africa and take over ethiopia. by that time,

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