of the following, says, declared a state of emergency of a 16000 kilometers away from his european bowed up. new caledonia is up in arms of the electoral over phones put forward by powers. as the french government does, this dispatching a 1000 more troops to face riotous, at least 4 people, including a police officer, have reported me being killed in the violence. the unrest is just the latest flash point and long running tensions of a power is as role in the archipelago class as erupt on monday off. the french little make is back to bill, which the indigenous population saves, will die, lose death, political influence. the region is indigenous cannot people say paris as nasa. kaz about that just saw refill, oppressed, we are angry, everything is happening over that. and we a one dream, i'll be the kind of people being heard most crucial, but what i realized is that the french have never thought about as they talk about shedding and balance. but that's name of being the case. let's go plot,

but we can't go on like this. we won't get anywhere with threats, violence or our discussion that works for everyone is needed so that we can find some saturday serenity and above all. peace fits to me. we spoke with kyla tower and i for many jerry, and i'm boss of the to the us. i saw he said phones is designed to dominate the call. any at any cost doesn't surprise him. that's in the face, use of which we are not surprised because this is a tendency to one to the maintenance people on dates donation not to any cars. unfortunately, the colonial power takes advantage of the situation which is characterized, man, almost a reducible opposition. between the independence east under the obviously it's as easy as the money police people when they are divided. i think that's it. as a new interest of bobby's stake accounts, the aspiration of the population. you have 2 types of reaction population is well organized with political and social political structures that meets the aspiration . it's candice integration under weeks of civil war is not to be under estimate

that in this case, if the population decides and we have to go out and keep stuck on. right. since that's buying system under way of doing things by using force is that some of the policy sense least can also take the initiative and reality independent. consequently, the use of force under maintainance of the states of emergency. it can only be temporary. you come across to pollution to lead into some of the key industry, the emergency thing to prevent us to accept the carrots, to the bottom of the issue so that it's kind without constraints. and we talked political minorities allowed to populations and express, i'm so free on this issue. i think the problem that our eyes to do is to know if you're calling during here 6 to remain interpreting of us to be a french dependents slowly. in any case, different thompson company, or even a citizen of this country, wants to take their own land on the elections, or for end of is it denies an employer in fairly, in the transfer ends. we obviously the comes out of most has to be forced to concede. instead of next pay to the value across the team are coming your way. i'm

back with more news in about 30 minutes. see events, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter levelland, french president, emmanuel. the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this included sending western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity,

but rather strategic confusion. the cross talking ukraine, i'm joined by my guess over desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert on an international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel tom on. he is a lecture at leon university and in niece we crossed to alex become well rich. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst, or a gentleman comstock rose in effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. i'll let somebody go to you 1st, the nice because you're in france, so nice. so i started out with the french president here. he says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops de foe troops, somebody's troops, i don't know. and those conditions are the kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zalinski. so it, i don't see that is m b and,

and beauty. i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find the beauty, right. it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about really funny because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple. going along the lines of him saying he's going to send troops in if libraries or if you create, makes a request. well, i think you create would have already made that requested that i had a chance to meet and request these me is, or you'll find the sky ideas. and i felt like little napoleon here, he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need while they don't really know i've been bathroom on it. you talk any st politician. nobody wants to go in, so you create a fish. now the other side of that corn is, we know that since 2014 and couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine unofficially. so what does this make of what differences are stable makes a big difference actually, when you're looking at the top diplomatic 0 things, when you say you're basically on the ground, well, that takes place of a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of

rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground. wines have been broken time and time again because you created a body off their back and their mind is being broken very quickly and solidly in the past few months. so why would background say this? pastry, i mean you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military gear in europe. they, they, armstrong, you know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that so. ready it as much as i get rambling it, i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about how to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes have the adults in the room and we know with macro, and that with him, we all know who looks like the adult in the room. so let's pull back, let's stop playing these uh, you know, to slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree. i offered, you know, the but if you look at the, the,

the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all this. now he just wants to be the pocket in nato. but you know, the, the, the way, the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and this owens, he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy. alfred as well. obviously a credit is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another uh, price napoleon, i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrow against the boston. eventually, doctors a face to declare war on process, which he lost in 6 months now. um we don't ones that we have no clear

states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that gridlock, you would need to break the pretest. you need to accept the fact that the whether we would like it or not. we live on only one land and we cannot afford to continue with escalation. but it's not only mat crohn who's mad it is joe biden. and anthony, blinking, and all of phillips and his board minister and recei. uh select on this for administer. um uh, david camera on there. oh. using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now that you brought up a camera and then i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he very loosely said, you know, that, you, you,

craig can use whatever british weapons they want, however, they want even against russia, russia proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against rush or use by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. and it's your looks like on the cheese of for or west on states and the read front. so. so trying to take the lead, know of the and not cheap for underlying got to are you create a new will be the winnings along the russia should lose football. and this is not the thing on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or in the very relies, there being a top 30 misinterpreting risk,

the crises from the beginning keeper notice they understand more, more about or, or if it's not to less fate. and the image in my corner, like over wisdom the just been don't know what to do more to, to still appear as critical or andrew are the wave of filed is to increase or view your okesha narrative like crew glitching troops on the wrong division, midsize, or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french point of view. your good or so these are in town or the debates in france we be a mixed and set you up in front of an approaching wherever the purchasing car bought. to remind you, good michael is very, is gonna lose the bought her because or how some of them found us ranada is made or position before we still bought data on buying looking. oh is no but dollar

dollars votes expected from the bought to you have made money going back home. so the money to my court would like to reinforce these narrative of being very strongly international. they don't have very many. well, let me ask the question, do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine? apparently they're already there. so i'm, i mean, i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across to make that decision. i mean, or even the people make a decision here that the same this the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. of each denture was because or it looks like you're this narrative is increasing and the rising mistakes on in via and we don't know because to look pretty boiler or and then you had about who might to be your feel obliged to do something to do it tuesday and really troops of you shortly. we don't know,

but or many general are seen for us expos, stacy, issues, she's are, you will be a disaster because for us has not to have coverage with strategic. i'm big. you t your need, the you sure military company beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for i entered city wall. this is why it is so denture was renewal, but we also already some instruct charles on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the ground? and the, even though we've been minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster un, under most a french peeper, does that really? but the main potency card properties of position does that really? but, but this narrow tv student is going on a think on to the end of for your pin it excellence may, may be, well, i mean, you know, it's, i mean, it was good. let me go to alex back and needs it. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are

much higher then these elections coming up here. you know, the problem alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and i what are they say the rest of the wants to take over all of the tree that has never been the the, the idea. if anything, the 1st move is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more concepts. the people that are running the show at the time for russian to take over ukraine. again, that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the, to the hand. they're holding the land and the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak their language, ross butler, just to teach their kids russians to watch the rights to have their signs up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so uh, what russia did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush. i have a, a,

basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your russian missiles. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their target, just like western mrs. don't have to go up to the border of russia, but for some reason they thought it'd be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west u. s. brands and in the head of your people, i've been talking more forever honest with the you and i see all of this is the 1990 this month. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups in the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash with this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans. and when they can use credit use as content and ponder and those poor civilians are going through this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you,

before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is background going to do? then? we say that the red function mercenaries of what a, well, the foreign lead time they say is already there. they say the forwarding legion's already there before. he goes everywhere and you and j. c, up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they want 2014, and i'm sure they're, they're there to some degree right now. just like probably all righty. i'm still going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. now you can stay with our team. the . so look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're so shorter is it conflict with the 1st law, show your items as a patient. we should be very careful about our professional intelligence. at the point, obviously is to create

a trust rather than to the various job with the artificial intelligence. we have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the well connected prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt. true mind you were discussing, you create the okay, let's go back to l for it in geneva, which is for every action there's an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rush has decided to a start exercise is a, uh,

a new killer drills for the gum duper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric, alfred and i know they do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world, their peril of reality and the public, the masses are subject to re lend class brain washing. i mean, and it's not only new york times, washington post, and then frank, well down defined it's, i don't even hear in switzerland. you re nonsense in the no, i have to over to the title and organizations like mine. i'm in the de la international peace research institute, the get rate, we have pulled out

a blueprint for peace and ukraine. we have sent it to the, our allstate here in the hall in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland i was, was with citizen, we are going to have uh, in may and do this. um, so called peace conference of the builder and stuck on lake road south. now they are going to be a lot of blueprints for piece. the 10 point plan off. uh, sure landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. but, uh, the truck point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind, all the africans is good. uh, the international progress organization has put up a very good plan. also, both frances had put out

a plan. so there are ideas out there. and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but uh, if uh say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc might lead the conference to this car. the 10 point applying of isolated scale is totally unrealistic. i start to look more possibilities of a compromise. well, it is. it's interesting now for the, you mentioned a member of the countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right, now, um, but no western leader does that. no western lead, no one in nato. does that and put in is an elgin rick. hang on. perfect. hang on, hang on, i'm putting, so now you ration, he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how

to move forward in a period menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden. people from cameron from sergeant schultz, where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining security for all players. they never talked about language. go ahead and brussels. yeah, so unfortunately for i've seen it in your appear on a member states of natal on not through the silver ring anymore, but resp or are they your i think they use this feeling more are y e r g 2 up to your us. um or why are we 0 attempting system with a run? can we be need to lunch with any independent votes? this is like your, the, your pants are competing to be the best artist of washington and are trying to, oh, so at the same time, a true sheet or of,

of vacuum in case of for trunk will be elected because this thing to the united states really less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's the same time. very your, the photo, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nice in vis or, or the hey, monique, of washington in europe and to, to, to found available own leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any your and obese conflict. because we're menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be to um, um, insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this, i'm a chrome, he is, he's is channeling his inner, the gall, he can't find it. um, cameron is no churchill. i mean, where is leadership in europe?

i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go exactly or be close or the part that you come across is or afraid very, your low quality to be frank. those seems the departure of the board in for us on more more. you've been seeing president on the front small more lines on the i would say are under sex on the water, we go to bed every or independent voice and or imaging and walk. oh sure. doesn't the experience of the read crises of low for shock? she and i was there last president with experience in the war and are they event they don't understand this new merchant put on was because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler, a friends that should do it,

takes the lead was your project, but you is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance under the can be done on the stand up to position them serve in this new emergency. put out well emerging. we're actually you is losing power on the left side only in our growth cvt quote. so we take the speaking of the i aggressive out of the weight, we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world as we know, we want, we want to be a target for in a new killer war i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving a nod to washington. you. where are you? where are you guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with the, i mean, this is insanity red. and the russians are not going to react to it, really go ahead and why don't we need to talk? suppose people, instead of the post politics is,

which are almost obviously by i don't think the, if he talked to everybody that's the lowest 80 we're here to hear of a big book. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine. they're, they're still in some sanity in the he, you added your. but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking to increase and you listen to some of their politicians, these are people that have seen it, especially the crisis i get outside of the utah, the serve use, you know, that there's a whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush to like to buy them billable court. it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. ready stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go little bit north, the hungary, then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, alford, it seems to me, with all this loose endangers rhetoric,

coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something out. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, i was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because and what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as the us incursions in vietnam failed. same as it was incursion in afghanistan, failed the your stuff, it very easily. just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in a very difficult position. there are intelligent people liked to meet the the fox, who have uh is that very intelligent things you have in german, a gas thoughtful insurer, and blog, and several old are full of patients,

but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends, or nearly they don't want war. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are probably back in the service of washington, one day historian full pallets, or if your whistle blowers that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of truth. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, we, you, you might, you often hear the phrase,

future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers? why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know you're a p and leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember? oh, let's remember. always fame was book the sleep woke up from christopher cock call. we arrive, oh, the 1st world war is tots. each and do each country is a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of war on venue. read. came to a festival, a because we were miscalculations. are a lot of prop park on the, from all sides there with lying in the newspapers to what people are. that's no, actually the people are,

they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sites on internet yukon, and do mobile or people or folks up or e friends very read. you more more. i tell not cheap p textbooks. whichever tools do what people are. and that's why it'd be elections. he's going to be already. it'd be good to surprise or, and do also, or many military expos actually would be lying on tv, on the rich situation. because they'd been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because what research is not happening and are very, very find only on gra cvt on a well. all right? and we're gonna end up selling or we're going to end the program on the same. you know that we started it, this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for the gentleman . that's all the time we have a one, a think my guessing needs brussels and engineers. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. and remember across the rules,

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