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chain of events that would make him the focus of an international manhunt. there is little doubt, you know the name mcafee. even if you've don't recognize his face. that's because you probably had anti-virus software on your computer at one time or another. >> the past three weeks we have seen five new viruses. >> reporter: back in the '80s it was the visionary john mcafee who recognized the threat posed by invisible computer viruses and made a fortune by devising defenses to stop them. david faber is a business reporter for cnbc. >> he made $100 million when it was something to make $100 million. >> reporter: but faber knew that mcafee lost most of the money in the real estate bust. >> this is called snake alley for obvious reasons any way that i hope we don't find out about. >> reporter: it was 2009 faber was making a documentary about boom and bust. he found mcafee at his new adopted home in belize.
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and the buff and charismatic then 64-year-old made a fascinating case study. >> my life has turned around 180 degrees down here. i mentioned the freedom here. there are virtually no regulations on business. >> a lot of it was how belize is a paradise for people like me because i can do anything i want. there are no laws, intellectual property nobody cares, i can start anything. >> reporter: and he did. whenever he perceived an opportunity to make a buck. water taxis. ultralights. but his pride and joy, mcafee told faber was creation of a special lab in which he planned to make new medicines from jungle plants. >> hopefully we will be in production of some fairly unique pharmaceuticals. >> reporter: with a beach home on an island off the coast, ambergris key, and on the
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mainland john mcafee could still afford to live large and make an impression. >> i remember the night i arrived in belize. he had invited me over to his home. it was on the water. and it was very dark and then he pulled in to his home which was lit up. and i walked in and he was playing the piano. and it did have the feel of almost being in a bond movie and this was your, your villain in some ways. he didn't turn to me and say, hello, mr. faber. but, it all most had that feel to it. it was it was unlike anything i have sort of ever kind of experienced. >> reporter: david faber here to meet a man who took business risks had caught a glimpse of another mcafee.
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>> i think he likes drama. i think he likes intense experiences. >> josh wa daveua davis met the other mcafee a contributing editor at "wired magazine" and one time nbc consultant. he got to know mcafee after belize police raided the mainland compound looking for illegal drugs. >> i heard abutout this raid on april 30th when the belize police force burst into his compound in the jungle and that struck me as extraordinary. >> reporter: as it turned out the police did not find any illegal drugs at mcafee's compound in that raid. though mcafee was charged with having an unlicensed gun. the fact that police even suspected mcafee of making drugs was intrigueingintriguing. mcafee had been an outspoken tea totaler ever since kicking a drug habit in the 1980s.
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so davis want to belize to investigate. it was there said davis, the belize government was corrupt and the government paramilitary suppression unit gsu was out to get him. >> one of the explanations for why the april 30th raid happened. one of the local politicians had come to him, asked for a denation. he -- donation. as a result they sikd thecked the g. u.s. on him. they raided him because they didn't know what was going on. he had this laboratory there. it was heavily guard. he has more bodyguards than the prime minister. he had essentially a private army. and a hablaboratory making god knows what. he won't tell anybody. >> davis want to caramelita the toniy town near the mcafee compound. where towns people told him, they said that mcafee had gone native. >> as he got more involved in this small village of
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caramelita the way he talked started to devolve, his dress devolved. i think that the jungle and that environment started to infect him. almost like a virus. that's what he said to his friend. was my fragile connection with polite society has been severed. >> reporter: after that raid mcafee moved back to his island house on ambergris key where davis report heed surrounded himself with guard dogs and armed men. and several teenage girls. in a country where the age of consent is 16 mcafee told davis he leaked to keep those girls busy in bed. >> he told me that for him, five hours is a quickly. and then he brought one of his girls out to confirm the point. she said yep, that's true. mcafee was 67. living a schoolboy's dream. albeit a rather heavily armed schoolboy. davis was soon convinced the man who once build himself as the the world's greatest computer security expert was now a
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security risk to himself and others. >> we were in his bungalow he had a smith and wesson 38 special strapped to his chest in a holster. he takes the gun out. he opens the chamber. there is six bullets in. he drops them out. takes one of the bullets. he chambers it closes it. spins the cylinder. he puts tightit to his head. john we don't have to do this. he goes i know we don't. and he says your perception of reality may not be correct. and he starts pulling the trigger. click, click, click, click. five times. and there is only six chambers. and then he pulls it a sixth time. nothing happens. he says you have missed something about reality. and i say, it's a trick. and he goes no it is not a trick. he opens the door. he aims the gun at the sand. he pulls the trigger and the bullet goes off. it was a live round. >> paranoid eccentrics make good
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stories. but rarely make good neighbors. the armed guard and snarling dogs were an aggravation to tourists and other whose had to walk past mcafee's house. and by november 2012 one of john mcafee's neighbors may have decided thee had had enough. >> darkness was about to fall on this sunny stretch of paradise. when we come back a murder mystery. >> his body was there, motionless. >> there was blood all over the floor. >> i yelled "no it can't possibly happen." >> an international manhunt was about to fascinate the world. no other scents feel like glade. ♪ uplift your tired tuesday attitude with our clean linen fragrance. ♪ feel fresh and new. feel glade. sc johnson. a family company.
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>> it was those that live across this stretch of beach that told us the murder case that began in november 2012 and made headlines around the world began as a mundane neighborhood dispute about dogs snarling snapping dog whose frequently roamed the beach in front of john mcafee's beach home on ambergris key, the barking kept neighbors up at night and the biting that was bad for business.
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>> the dogs did bite a few people. we had one group of tourists leave early because of the dog situation. >> reporter: they're property managers on ambergris key and like american ex-pats on the island they knew john mcafee casually. >> there were guards at this house. >> reporter: jeff and vivian had customers walking to the restaurant down the beach past mcafee's house had to first get past mcafee's dogs and guards. >> if you are a tourist walking of and down the beach at night and someone shines a flashlight in your face shouldering a shotgun, um it it -- it can be disconcerting. >> such a harsh vibe for a peaceful place. not what he expected when he moved to ambebrgris key in 2012. >> we got to know greg after
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working 12 hours a day he would come up to our bar and hang out and talk and clowese it down. >> reporter: greg falls said jeff was right out of central casting. he made his money in the construction business in florida. and here in belize he was living out a fantasy. >> greg had three boats. the first time he walked up to the bar, with mo yeah beach bar, caribbean, guy with like a tommy bahama board shirt, pair rot on his shoulder. i turned and said you realize, greg you have become that guy? >> reporter: a happy-go-lucky guy. but oh those dogs. greg fall had himself been bitten and a profound dislike for john mcafee followed. >> a couple times and john was out there. greg was yelling at him. keep your dogs inside the fence. just you know like -- we have tourists here. i mean they're biting people.
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>> reporter: it all came to a head on the night of november 9, 2012, a friday. that's when four of john mcafee mcafee's dogs were poisoned. many on the island immediately suspected that greg did it. >> he told everybody he was going to poison the dogs you know. everybody knew he was going to poison the dogs. >> reporter: and 36 hours later, early on a sunday morning, shane mccann woke up to a ringing phone. it was greg fall's caretaker. greg, he said, was dead. >> we thought heart attack. >> thinking heart attack. thinking he could have slipped and fell on the style. >> reporter: but no when the mccanns and ex-pats got to greg's house it was clear, this was no slip and fall. >> his body was there, motionless. you know. >> there was blood all over the floor. >> there was blood everywhere.
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>> reporter: police determined greg fall had been killed with a single gunshot to the back of the head execution-style. and there was one oddly horrifying detail. the position of greg fall's t-shirt. >> it was peld over likeulled over like a hockey move. pull the center up over look that. all the way behind his neck. the shirt was on. the center was pulled up over. >> reporter: as he stood there looking at his friend's corpse, said shane, he was struck by the fact that in spite of the obvious violent there seemed to be no sign of a robbery or any struggle anywhere in the house. >> just found it very odd somebody could subdue some body like greg a guy that can free dive 50 feet for a conk 52 years old. ex-military. how could you subdue somebody like that? >> reporter: jane figured greg given have a chance would put up a fight. that was also the first thing art fall greg's father thought.
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hen he got the news in jacksonville florida. >> i yelled i said "no it can't possibly happen. not greg." you know? because i don't think anyone could have overpowered greg. if he had had a chance. you know? i suspect that heap just just never had a chance. >> reporter: given the bad blood between greg fall and john mcafee then. the belizean police thought it would be a good idea to walk down the beach and have a word with the reclusive millionaire. the trouble was, they couldn't find him. he had up and disappeared. in short order the police declared mcafee the primary suspect. the news flashed around the world. >> the tech millionaire is a fugitive. >> reporter: a celebrity manhunt in the tropics that was like catnip. so i packed my bags and booked a flight to belize. >> coming up -- >> here's the house. >> nice. >> a one-time member of mcafee's
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harem lets us into his lair. where the stories only get stranger. >> you tried to shoot him? >> if you run over somebody it's usually because you were driving too fast or you didn't look before you turned or you didn't stop for someone in the crosswalk. always be alert. pedestrians don't come with airbags.
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♪ ♪ >> reporter: when we arrived on the strip of island that was john mcafee's paradise in november 2012 the american ex-pats we met seemed to be waiting for something to happen. everybody knew the police were scouring the police. searching for the man they believe knew something about the murder of greg fall. but john mcafee truly seemed to have vanished. though it didn't mean reporters weren't hearing from him. >> right now sishgs ir, i am holed up in the place where the mattress here has lice. i never experienced that before. >> reporter: joshua davis who was writing an article about
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mcafee at the time was among the first to got a call. >> i can't sleep at night. because i am allergic to every noise. >> mcafee told davis he had a young woman with him. >> sam is quite the soldier. samantha. she has been with me for the past come of months. >> reporter: he insisted he knew nothing what ever about his neighbor's murder. >> lot me.ask you for the record point blank, i don't think i did before. did you kill him? >> no sir. no, sir. if the's not it's not even funny. >> reporter: not only did he deny committing the murder he proposed an astonishing idea. the bullet that killed fall had really been meant for him. >> the first thing i thought about was, oh my god. he is a white man the i am a white man. someone. the government finally decided to off me. they got the wrong white man. >> he says the last thing i am going to do is turn myself into the police. because they will kill me. >> reporter: kill him? yes. he truly believed the belizean
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police want to get rid of him. run him out. do him in. >> i'm trying to delay my my imminent capture. >> reporter: the laptop cell phone. flare for the dramatic. mcafee tantalized the press and taunted the police with clues that he was still on ambergris key. >> reporter: there are police in there, armed police with a rifle. and they're looking through the house. as they do on a regular basis or have been since the beginning of this. i don't think there is any expectation really he is going to be here. but they're looking. can you speak about this? no? though police admitted they had no other suspect, john mcafee's classification was downgraded to the less ominous sounding person of interest. we still think he is here in belize. this is police spokesman, rafael
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martinez. >> we believe that he will come in. >> reporter: if you find him you will arrest him? >> we will detain him and ask him some questions. >> reporter: but undermanned and underfunded the belizean police force seem ill-equipped to actually hunt him down. a man of means like mcafee a man who clearly did not want to be found. what is your message for john mcafee? >> i would want to appeal to him. tell him, please comen. let's bring closure to the case. and let's all carry on with our lives. >> reporter: john mcafee seemed to be toying with the police. leaving clues in his blog hinting he might be hiding under their noses cleverly described as a tourist or street vendor. >> in the public many many times if i went shopping in public want to buy strawberries. >> reporter: our research was quite unlike thought of the police. we made arrangements with middle men for a secret rendezvous. but mcafee never showed. of course john might not be on
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the island at all. the only person who seemed always to know how to reach him was this woman. one of mcafee's former teenage lovers amy herbert. a lot of guests here girls? besides girls? >> just girls. >> reporter: not much other scum season -- not much other company. amy had his trust it seems. it was with his permission that amy showed us around his beach estate. >> here's the house. >> reporter: nice. >> we would always snorkel almost every weekend. he would get his tan. >> reporter: but said amy after the police raid everything changed. >> that's when he started being paranoid. he just kept inside. >> reporter: given mcafee's bizarre behavior some people wondered if he was using drugs again. did you guys ever do drugs in here or anywhere? >> no, he never accept any type of drugs on his property.
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later, amy told us she had often seen mcafee doing some sort of chemical experiments. i am like what are you doing? he said i am just working on chemicals and stuff. he said it is for research. he said never to touch these. taste it eat it anything. he said it is poison. >> reporter: do you have any idea what it is? >> i did not. >> reporter: he wouldn't fell you? >> he was not tell me anything about it. >> reporter: it was around then amy said her strange relationship with john mcafee had its strangest moment. >> i was angry, whatever. and i started to shoot him. for some reason i missed. >> reporter: you tried to shoot him? >> uh-huh. yes. i also tried to cut his throat. but he just said -- he just leaned against a wall and said "do it." i couldn't do it. >> reporter: you stayed together after senate. >> oh yeah he loved me more i guess. but he slept with one eye open. >> reporter: though the romance eventually ended.
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amy remained close enough to mcafee to get him on the phone for us. >> reporter: how are you doing? >> i'm all right under the circumstances. >> reporter: mcafee didn't say where he was hiding but did hint he was close by. we weren one of your boats. you are absolutely right. was he watching us? were the police watching us too? hoping we might lead them to him. listen can you tell us anything that will will clear up some questions about what happened over that course of that weekend? when your neighbor was killed? >> you know i have no idea what happened to my neighbor. none. >> reporter: we traveled a long way for that phone call. and we were still no closer tour laying eyes on him than were the belizean police. and then days after the call mcafee's blog reported he had been captured in mexico.
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but no that turned out to be false. and then on december 4th 2012 nearly a month after greg fall was murdered. mcafee announced on his blog that he and his companion had crossed the border to guatemala. why here? well a couple of very practical reasons. some of them about family. and some international politics. and because of that -- the story got even stranger. after weeks on the run, there he was, in the flesh. according to mcafee he was not running from a homicide investigation. oh no. he said he was in guatemala to ask for political asylum. and protection from the government of belize. >> seven months ago the belizean government sent 42 armed soldiers into my property. i had to leave. but the story has to get out. >> reporter: according to
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mcafee's 20-year-old companion, samantha vanagas the couple came to guatemala in part because she had a roll tiff here who could be helpful. >> i tell him i have an aun culluncle here a lawyer. >> reporter: he could. sam's uncle, represented some biggest names in central america, like strongman manuel nor noriega. but it was shaping up to be john mcafee's biggest challenge yet. >> coming up. >> when your life is in danger you have to lie. and he did. >> inside his life on the run -- a master of disguise. nobody recognized him? >> no one ever recognized him. >> reporter: and the element of surprise. a sudden collapse. and everyone's heart skips a beat. see, you just pull like this to go left. and like so to go right.
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sent our center of it all. "dateline" nbc. >> reporter: for weeks after the murder of greg fall we and the rest of the world's press tried to find elusive john mcafee. a spectacle which for art and roseanne was pretty hard to take. >> i had phone calls from cbs, nbc, abc, fox, cnn, "the new york times," and "the wall street journal" in two days. >> it was questions about -- this other fellow. >> reporter: mcafee. >> it's look excuse me you are asking me the wrong question. ask me about our loss. >> reporter: that seemed all most to be secondary like it was lost in the shuffle. >> lost in the shuffle. greg was pushed off to one side. because there was the mcafee circus. >> reporter: no doubt, mcafee was, with the police not talking and mcafee not talking to police.
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room mr. and speck room mr. and speculation was there was. until the most wanted person of interest surfaced in guatemala seeking sanctuary. according to mcafee's traveling companion, samantha vanegas, the couple used their wits to elude capture. for weeks, mcafee made the police think he was on ambergris key, when in fact he and she were hiding on the mainland in belize city. >> he was in the city. i mean john is smart. he knows what he is doing. then he turned his phone on and said you know what they're going to track us down. leave the phone there. we took all of the batteries. and we left the island. people thought he was there. >> reporter: his cell phone was on the island. >> because they were tracking it. what made them thing. because he would say i am standing like, 20, 40 feet from my yard. they could see the police are ragd it. >> reporter: that was a lie. >> when your life is in danger you, have to lie. and he did. >> reporter: it certainly wasn't
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easy said samantha. very uncomfortable in those early days on the lam. >> we were in bushes everywhere. crossed rivers by boat. john was at one point, horrible. had a lot of bites on it. i told him, dude you look really sick you. don't look like here, was skinny. he didn't eat. didn't drink water. true impossible to know? but that was her story. eventually said ammansamantha they found a place to hole up. mcafee dyed his hair whevenlt. when he ventured out. >> he presented to be a cripple humpback his hair was white. >> no one recognized him? >> no one ever recognized him. >> reporter: according to her, it was her uncle, the lawyer who arranged to have her and mcafee smuggled out of belize first from city, punta
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gorda then guatemala. >> is was disturbing. i don't look to leave my home. makes me sick. >> you don't like it. >> i don't. >> john mcafee wasn't feeling on top of the world. first a guatemalan judge dismiss his petition for asylum. then police took him into custody, not as a murder suspect. but on ground he entered the country illegally. the next day at the detention center as a gaggle of media waited to find out if authorities would send mcafee back to belize. the story took a heart stopping turn. with inside assembled cameras, john mcafee suddenly swooned and appeared to lose consciousness. within min heights was rushed to the hospital. but when doctors could find noth wrong with him, he was returned to the detention center.
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and it was there that john mcafee finally agreed to sit for his only extended tv interview since the murder with us. and what an interview it was. >> a crazy man on the run is far more sensational than a political problem. >> reporter: right. and you are an insane man on the run? >> coming up. >> may i stand up for a moment? >> expect the unexpected. >> how can that be menacing? >> could he really be behind this? >> reporter: neither you nor any body representing you, went to grg's house, pulled his t-shirt over his head and shot him through the head? >> when "date? line" continues.
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you switch to geico. it's what you do. ♪ two wheels a turnin'... ♪ >> for nearly a month. john mcafee's one of silicon valley's princes of high tick had been hiding from belizean police. they wanted to talk to him about the murder of his neighbor greg fall. now detained in guatemala with no where to hide john mcafee decided to talk to us. though it must be said he didn't seem to relish the pros peck all.peck -- prospect. >> here is the problem. you have a deadline. the deadline is now. the news has become immediacy. your job is to get the news out before your competition. that makes your deadline small. can you possibly get any inkling
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of the truth in that small space? >> reporter: you can when you research things? >> all we do all of the folks do is research everybody else. "the new york times" said this. cnn said this. >> reporter: this is really a question. the point is this is a story about a murder. you would not be. >> this is not a story about a murder for. might is not. >> reporter: interesting for a man who used the media to personal advantage. john mcafee seemed to resent the press now that whose in custody in guatemala. >> what sells in the news sensationalism. a crazy man on the run is far more sensational than a political problem. >> reporter: and you are an insane man on the run. >> if you say so. >> reporter: that's the image. you have a blog. you know what the comments on your blog are. they all think you are nuts. half of them do. half of them. >> half of them think i'm nuts. half think they love me. both are nuts. those who love me never met me.
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>> reporter: you enjoy it? >> why i was not in the press for ten years. i would not talk to a reporter. i don't trust you guys. >> reporter: can't imagine why? >> whatever i say to you people because i live a lifestyle that might be a little over the line. outside, over the line of normal behavior. in std of instead of looking at the latest thing. that's great about the anti-virus. >> reporter: on the subject of greg fall. john mcafee concede there was bad blood between the two men. >> i did not care for the man he drank a lot. i don't hang with people who drink. i've don't want to talk to people who drink while they're drinking. >> reporter: in the weeks and months leading up to the murder how often did you see him? >> maybe one time. maybe twice. only passing the beach. he did come by i am angry about your dogs i can't sleep. i am really sorry. i can't sleep either. i am angry about my dogs. i sympathized. >> reporter: did you say you
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were going to do something? >> yeah i built another fence. they were jumping out. annoying all right neighbors. >> reporter: was he complaining about your security guard and guns they were carrying? >> everybody complained about that too. he was not an exception. >> reporter: you would allow security guard to wander in front of your house, public beach, with guns menacing at least in the perception of the tourists walking by these people and not prevent them from doing so. awe may i may i stand up for a moment. now if some one is carrying a gun. a shotgun holding it like this. how can that be menacing? how can that be menacing? someone seize a gun. america has 280 million of them. >> however your neighbors were sag these men weren't just holding the guns down here they were pointing them at people. threatening people. >> do you think i would tolerate that. get real. >> reporter: as he had from the beginning mcafee insist heed had no motive for killing fall. he never believed fall was
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responsible for poisoning his dogs he said. >> i knew who killed the dogs? >> reporter: who? >> the government. >> reporter: the witness who has no rooneeason to lie, says greg fall told them he would kill the dogs. the night before. >> he told everybody he was going to kill the dogs. he drank a lot. i blew it off. i know for a fact he is not the kind of person who would kill a dog. >> reporter: how do you know that? >> he was a dog lover. >> reporter: i'm told he didn't love dogs at all. >> i believed he loved dogs. >> reporter: there is lots of evidence to suggest that greg fall killed your dogs. >> i say there is a lot of evidence where greg fall could have killed my dogs. anybody could have killed my dogs. i know who poisoned my dogs. my paranoia tells me. okay. agreed. neither you nor anybody representing you went over to greg fall's house on that occasion and pulled his tee shrt up over his head and shot him through the head? >> no sir.
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the government poisoned my dogs. >> reporter: the government killed greg fall? >> how would i know who killed greg fall. i didn't believe the government killed him. the first thought through my mind however. >> reporter: at the time we spoke. mcafee seemed to face a probability of deportation back to belize. he seemed remarkably unconcerned. in fact told us that after five years in what he once called an entrepreneurial paradise he was looking for ward to going home. back to the good old usa. how do you see this whole saga ending? >> happy for everybody. happy for everybody. what i will do is i will stop bashing belize mine blog. neighbors can have peace and quiet, guatemalan government gets to go he didn't want to stay here. everybody is happy. america is happy. more tax dollars. perfect solution. that will be the solution. >> reporter: you are convinced of it? >> i haven't been wrong much about my life. you know people who, people who know me will say one thing.
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don't ever bet with this man. i don't look to lose money. i don't. and i will bet you on this one. >> reporter: spoken like a gambler may have known the fedex wasfedex -- fix was in. would john mcafee ever be forced to sit face to face with homicide detectives? >> coming up. i don't understand it. it almost feels hopeless. >> reporter: the murder of greg fall. will a broken-hearted family get answers? and -- the mysterious mr. mcafee in danger again. >> my wife and i ran downstairs. we hid under the car for 4 1/2
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>> reporter: a week of the john mcafee media circus was apparently all guatemala could take. on december 12 2012 the
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runawayaabruptly deported back to the united states where he was consider aid celebrity. john thank you for joining us. you are in miami aren't you? >> i was just playing around with you, yes, i am in miami. >> reporter: at every stop on his media rounds. mcafee said he would gladly answer question as but the murder of greg fall. but not in belize. >> what will you do if you are charged with this murder and the u.s. forces you to go back to belize will you disappear? will you go to answer the charges? >> i will certainly answer any questions i have agreed in a neutral country. if i am i will answer. it will not happen sir. >> reporter: american ex-pats like vivian and jeff are left to wonder if the investigation into greg fall's murder is even active. >> february said anything. they're not looking for anybody else as far as we know.
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why? we only know as much as you know as much as everybody else knows. >> one sentence answer i had nothing to do with the murder of gregory fall. doesn't really cut it. >> reporter: could detectives have made some sense of it all? had they been able to question mcafee? that time seemed to have passed. >> hello there, my name is john mcafee. >> reporter: as for john mcafee since arriving back in the states he's become something of a cult figure. appearing in elaborate online videos that that poke fun at his notoriety. after brief stints living in portland oregon colorado springs, montreal mcafee told us he found a permanent home in lexington, tennessee. and when he is not there or traveling around the country giving speeches he is here in alabama, where he has start aid new company called future tense central to develop internet security and privacy products.
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>> i basically mentor young people. give them guidance counsel, on how they should start their businesses focus the business and run the business. that's where my heart lies. our future is with the young. >> reporter: as for all right young women mcafee mentored down in belize they were left behind. these days said mcafee he is a happily married man. he still believes that belizean government its out to get him. and tells a story about what he said was an attempt on his life. in portland in 2013. >> at 2:15 in the morning two police motorcycles followed by a black sedan followed by a garbage truck parked in front of our condominium, 2:15. my wife and i ran downstairs we, hid under a car for 4 1/2 hours while they searched everywhere for us. the security cameras were removed on that day. so it was, it was a -- a
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frightening experience for us. >> reporter: in spite of that said mcafee he is tired of running. >> it is exhausting to live in fear. it is exhausting to be looking over your shoulder constantly. and -- and, at some point you say, this is no wheyay to live. >> reporter: if you are wondering what happened to all the guns he seemed fond of brandishing for the cameras, mcafee told us that was all just for show. >> in order to sell newspapers they need drama. and you know mad men with guns well that's drama. so here they are. hold them up. how do you want me to hold them? you bet. i'll do that. i don't have them with me. if you want to see a gun. my security guard has one. so no. that's not me. that's that's what the press wants to make of me. >> reporter: can you believe him? as you might imagine now more than two years after the murder greg falls' family members do not. but then they don't really know what to believe. >> it doesn't make any sense at
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all if mcafee claims his innocence, why did he disappear and make a circus of this whole thing? i've don't understand it. and i just wish someone would, investigate it or or find someone who is can talk about it and, and bring some justice some where. >> reporter: in a statement that the belizean commissioner of police told "dateline." john mcafee remains a person of interest. they still want to interview him. and the murder of greg fall is still an open case. >> it almost feels hopeless because, you know it is a foreign country, and i don't know how to handle it. >> reporter: are you getting any answers or any contact from them? >> no not anything from them at all. >> reporter: it is desperately important to know? >> oh yes, desperately important to know. his whole family is just just terribly broken up. we all are. >> that's all for now.
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i'm lester holt. thank you for joining us. this sunday off and running. republicans in new hampshire taking on hillary. >> when hillary clinton travels, there needs to be two planes. one for her and her entourage and one for her baggage. >> clinton trying to prove she still can't stop thinking about tomorrow. >> we need to be we have to be number one again. >> but is yesterday really gone? >> and could we see a presidential announcement right here on the show? >> plus breaking through the noise. that gyrocopter incident the flying mailman certainly got people talking just not about what he wanted to be talking about. >> and lots of people are having fun with hillary's new logo. guess what? show are we. i'm chuck todd. joining me to provide inside analysis this morning are former senior advisor to president obama, david axelrod. kathleen parker of the "the washington post," helene cooper of the "new york times" and fo

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