you've got mccall, mariella got like davina mccall, mariella frostrup, kind fronted frostrup, who kind of fronted that still see that campaign, but you still see big stars like this who've had massive trauma in their lives. i mean, a double mean, she's had a double mastectomy you know, mean, she's had a double maswasn'ty you know, mean, she's had a double maswasn't saying you know, mean, she's had a double maswasn't saying lightly 10w, mean, she's had a double maswasn't saying lightly ,)w, she wasn't saying this lightly, that they don't even recognise those symptoms. >> i mean, it can last for ages and ages. and people think it's over and then it comes back. you get the hot flushes back. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> women do have it hard, don't they? and it's funny to they? yeah and it's funny to remember that. yeah, they should definitely remember. and also people how would people say like how would you not it's not know the symptoms. but it's like , there's like me with pregnancy, there's so much i didn't know until i got i'm like, so much i didn't know until i got this i'm like,