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that does not work, and that's what we're seeing here with general flynn, michael flynn. it's the same thing, essentially, only he did it after his guilty plea. his attorneys argued in a memorandum that essentially not for nothing, but i didn't really do this. so naturally the judge -- that's an east coast phrase, that's specific to new jersey, really -- so the judge is saying, look, i have an obligation to put a factual basis for your plea, and if you are pleading guilty and accepting this deal because you just like deals and not because you're actually guilty, then i got to take back your guilty plea. i've had this happen to me. every defense attorney has had a client in open court start to waffle on their guilty plea. flynn in this case did it after his plea through a filing to the court. >> mueller released his own memo on friday contradicting general flynn's legal teams memo. this is what he said, this is quoting agents who interviewed general flynn, and i believe i still have matt miller with me. matt, are you still there? >> yep. flynn agreed to meet without counse
that does not work, and that's what we're seeing here with general flynn, michael flynn. it's the same thing, essentially, only he did it after his guilty plea. his attorneys argued in a memorandum that essentially not for nothing, but i didn't really do this. so naturally the judge -- that's an east coast phrase, that's specific to new jersey, really -- so the judge is saying, look, i have an obligation to put a factual basis for your plea, and if you are pleading guilty and accepting this...
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flynn? why did the president initially say that mike flynn was fired because he had lied to mike pence about his contacts with russia, but then later the president changed his story to say he had to fire flynn because actually, flynn lied to the fbi. frankly, why did mike flynn lie at all about his contacts with the russian government about sanctions? he is the incoming national security adviser. it wouldn't be that weird for flynn to be talking to a foreign government about an expected change in policy under the trump administration when it came to u.s./russia relations, even sanctions specifically. it would be a little awkward. questions would be raised, but it wouldn't be that weird. nevertheless, he lied about it publicly and he lied about it to the fbi, and that honestly makes no sense if they were innocent policy discussions about sanctions and he is the incoming adviser who is going to be working on that stuff. you wouldn't need to keep that stuff secret. you wouldn't even need to try
flynn? why did the president initially say that mike flynn was fired because he had lied to mike pence about his contacts with russia, but then later the president changed his story to say he had to fire flynn because actually, flynn lied to the fbi. frankly, why did mike flynn lie at all about his contacts with the russian government about sanctions? he is the incoming national security adviser. it wouldn't be that weird for flynn to be talking to a foreign government about an expected change...
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so is michael flynn. and president trump tells so many lies that the "washington post" actually had to invent a new category in their fact-checking department, the bottomless pinocchio. so i'm wondering what you think as somebody who has written a book about how often they lie. >> i think there's one statement that's going to come back to haunt sarah sanders from that briefing. she stood at the podium and said that michael flynn's lies have nothing to do with president trump. really? let's push back on that a little bit. he lied to the fbi about the conversations he had about sanctions with the russian government during the transition. why did he lie? well, let me ask this. what are the chances he was freelancing that conversation? would general flynn go to the russian government and say, don't worry about retaliation if he didn't have some kind of authorization from trump? i think not. that has not been proven. but we keep going around these circles saying why did general flynn lie? well, if he was direc
so is michael flynn. and president trump tells so many lies that the "washington post" actually had to invent a new category in their fact-checking department, the bottomless pinocchio. so i'm wondering what you think as somebody who has written a book about how often they lie. >> i think there's one statement that's going to come back to haunt sarah sanders from that briefing. she stood at the podium and said that michael flynn's lies have nothing to do with president trump....
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then flynn will not continue cooperating. it's hard to know exactly what's in the mind of the judge, other than what the judge has said, which is how serious he thinks this conduct is, which it is, as we've all been discussing. and the fact that the cooperation -- the cases that flynn is cooperating in are not over. everyone seems to acknowledge that. and it is unusual to have someone sentenced before their cooperation is over. in other words, before the trials where they may have to testify, before all the people are charged. and so it seems to me that this is all sort of a sign, one, that there is more to come with mueller in which flynn could be useful, because the judge seems to be signaling that. >> and we also -- i just want to report that there is also -- they have averted a shutdown threat. that should be described at the white house, a briefing at 1:30. of course, we'll be carrying that live. people on the hill, according to garrett haake, republican senators. senator kennedy said something like nothing concentrates
then flynn will not continue cooperating. it's hard to know exactly what's in the mind of the judge, other than what the judge has said, which is how serious he thinks this conduct is, which it is, as we've all been discussing. and the fact that the cooperation -- the cases that flynn is cooperating in are not over. everyone seems to acknowledge that. and it is unusual to have someone sentenced before their cooperation is over. in other words, before the trials where they may have to testify,...
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." >> general flynn is a wonderful man. >> mueller time for michael flynn. >> well, i feel badly for general flynn. >> the sentencing memo -- what we know about mark for identification's cooperation with the special counsel and what it could tell us about what mueller knows about trump and the russians. >>> plus, ben wittes, robert mueller is laying seeds to the -- the election scandal grows in north carolina. >> he was more like need to get more hairs in here. >>> as republicans move to take power from democrats in wisconsin, the same power grab moves forward in michigan. when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. at this very hour we are still awaiting special counsel robert mueller's court filing on the sentencing of president trump's former national security adviser michael flynn. now, mueller's sentencing recommendation comes one year after flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and agreed to cooperate with mueller and his investigation. and today's filing, or it will be tonight's filing, when and if it comes, is expected to give us a bett
." >> general flynn is a wonderful man. >> mueller time for michael flynn. >> well, i feel badly for general flynn. >> the sentencing memo -- what we know about mark for identification's cooperation with the special counsel and what it could tell us about what mueller knows about trump and the russians. >>> plus, ben wittes, robert mueller is laying seeds to the -- the election scandal grows in north carolina. >> he was more like need to get more...
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he was being loyal to flynn or is it because there's something that flynn knows? >> from battlefield to political mine field, the complicated journey the michael flynn. >> he goes from the pinnacle of helping defeat our enemy, now he is mired in this political maelstrom that we don't know how it's going to end. special counsel robert mueller is recommending liltle or no prison time for former trump national security adviser michael flynn. >> he talked about early and often. that's how his cooperation can be described. >> the volume of the cooperation. it's 19 interviews. it's not just cooperation with the investigation. it's at least two total and three total investigations depending on how you read it. >> whoo he told investigators hasn't been made public. his sentencing recommendation memorandum heavily redacted. >> a little spoiler alert. by the time we're on page 2, it already looks like this. >> what's already known is flynn's admission of discussion he had with the russian ambassador. before trump swearing in. which could have under mine existing foreign pol
he was being loyal to flynn or is it because there's something that flynn knows? >> from battlefield to political mine field, the complicated journey the michael flynn. >> he goes from the pinnacle of helping defeat our enemy, now he is mired in this political maelstrom that we don't know how it's going to end. special counsel robert mueller is recommending liltle or no prison time for former trump national security adviser michael flynn. >> he talked about early and often....
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. >> turned on general flynn. he turned on the prosecutors as well after they took the 25-minute break. lou, right before he gave that 25-minute break today in the courtroom, he turned around and said, do you realize -- and this is when, after flynn had said no, i'm not withdrawing my plea, that's when he said, do you realize that these charges are very serious. what you're saying is that you lied to two fbi agents in the west wing of the white house. and then he stopped. and he said you're still cooperating with the special counsel and that's when the special counsel admitted that. he gave the opportunity to postpone the hearing so he basically told flynn look, take everything i'm giving you right you. but you're absolutely right. i was stunned. that judge sullivan didn't at that point also chide the prosecutors on the 302s, the failure to turn in the correct ones, also their behavior on how they questioned flynn. it was really disturbing. at the end of it all he's getting a march 13th they've indefinitely postpo
. >> turned on general flynn. he turned on the prosecutors as well after they took the 25-minute break. lou, right before he gave that 25-minute break today in the courtroom, he turned around and said, do you realize -- and this is when, after flynn had said no, i'm not withdrawing my plea, that's when he said, do you realize that these charges are very serious. what you're saying is that you lied to two fbi agents in the west wing of the white house. and then he stopped. and he said...
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thereafter, flynn and other people within trump's transition team say that flynn told them that flynn didn't actually have those conversations. that creates a counter intelligence worry for the fbi, right? if the ignacious column is correct and those conversations happened between flynn and russia, russia knows they happened, they were in on the calls. and if those conversations did happen, and russia knows they happen, flynn's lying about them. that's a counter intelligence problem. the fbi handles counter intelligence issues in the united states. if the national security adviser of the united states is telling lies about something, trying to cover something up, and russia knows the truth about it, and russia knows he's lying about it, they can lord that over him, right? they can potentially blackmail him with that, they can threaten him to expose that thing, since they know he wants to cover it up. the fbi handles counterintelligence measures. they want to find out if what flynn reported is true, given his public statements and his statements to other government officials that he di
thereafter, flynn and other people within trump's transition team say that flynn told them that flynn didn't actually have those conversations. that creates a counter intelligence worry for the fbi, right? if the ignacious column is correct and those conversations happened between flynn and russia, russia knows they happened, they were in on the calls. and if those conversations did happen, and russia knows they happen, flynn's lying about them. that's a counter intelligence problem. the fbi...
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flynn's lawyers. that was a mistake and while he was national security adviser versus before when he was lobbying as a meaningful legal distinction. with respect to treason, it's not a crime unless in wartime. not in wartime, but there are treason-like statutes. >> perhaps the judge sees you were unregister and then you go on to be the national security adviser. it's not appropriate. i need to get in a quick break. it's almost reality television in a way that all of this drama happening at the courthouse to michael flynn's car peeling away from the courthouse. we are standing by at the white house. we will take you there live. you always pay your insurance on time. tap one little bumper and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? news flash: nobody's perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty mut
flynn's lawyers. that was a mistake and while he was national security adviser versus before when he was lobbying as a meaningful legal distinction. with respect to treason, it's not a crime unless in wartime. not in wartime, but there are treason-like statutes. >> perhaps the judge sees you were unregister and then you go on to be the national security adviser. it's not appropriate. i need to get in a quick break. it's almost reality television in a way that all of this drama happening...
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michael flynn: yeah. the judge said, your sentencing memorandum also states that you pled guilty before certain, quote, revelations that certain fbi officials involved in the january 24th interview were themselves being investigated for misconduct, end quote. do you seek an opportunity to withdraw your plea in light of those revelations? i do not, your honor. are you continuing to accept responsibility for your false statements? i am, your honor. >>> the judge also questioned michael flynn's lawyer about this. >>> is it your contention that mr. flynn was entrapped by the fbi? >>> mr. kelner: no, your honor. >>> mr. flynn, do you believe your rights were violated that he did not have a lawyer present for the interview? >>> no, your honor. >>> is it your contention that any member of the fbi raises any degree of doubt that mr. flynn intentionally lied to the fbi? >>> no, your honor. >>> and with that, judge sullivan personally smacked down the president of the united states who woke up this morning thinking
michael flynn: yeah. the judge said, your sentencing memorandum also states that you pled guilty before certain, quote, revelations that certain fbi officials involved in the january 24th interview were themselves being investigated for misconduct, end quote. do you seek an opportunity to withdraw your plea in light of those revelations? i do not, your honor. are you continuing to accept responsibility for your false statements? i am, your honor. >>> the judge also questioned michael...
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out of flynn? >> yes, he does want more out of flynn and he's gotten his attention. there's a saying grab them by the cajones and their hearts and mind will follow. remember this also. that is that this whole thing started with flynn. it all started when trump tried to protect flynn. he is afraid of flynn. he went to comey and said can't you -- can't you somehow not go after my friend flynn? he called the dni. he called pompeo. it's all about flynn. flynn knows something that he is protecting the president on and the president hopes he hasn't given it up and the rest of us hope he has. >> i want to get back to peter on this. what would the what be? he's talking to him about all of the strategic plans they have. if there was a big grand scheme, grand deal involving putin, he would know all about it. he would know why he was talking to kisylak. he would know all the picture, he would know it. is that what they're trying to get from this guy, what trump was up to overall? >> yeah. he was not just his
out of flynn? >> yes, he does want more out of flynn and he's gotten his attention. there's a saying grab them by the cajones and their hearts and mind will follow. remember this also. that is that this whole thing started with flynn. it all started when trump tried to protect flynn. he is afraid of flynn. he went to comey and said can't you -- can't you somehow not go after my friend flynn? he called the dni. he called pompeo. it's all about flynn. flynn knows something that he is...
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why do you think he was trying to save flynn, josh? >> so i think he wasn't trying to save flynn. he was trying to save himself. full think of the way the flynn situation went down, he was sitting there in the oval office talking to jim comey and asking him to please let this investigation go. this was a day after flynn had been fired. michael flynn case was a disaster for the white house on two levels, legally and politically. legally because it appears the president was trying to obstruct an ongoing fbi investigation and a liability for the white house because of the way it went down. the morning flynn resigned, he was sitting in his office talking to a conservative website and boasting how the president had confidence in him. later that day, "the washington post" drops an article that says no, sally yates was here 18 days ago warning you your national security adviser was a walking time bomb and then they let him go. it looked so terrible. they tried to make it go away. >> i forgot when you mentioned in the oval office. then they had that will dinner date together. >> the loyal
why do you think he was trying to save flynn, josh? >> so i think he wasn't trying to save flynn. he was trying to save himself. full think of the way the flynn situation went down, he was sitting there in the oval office talking to jim comey and asking him to please let this investigation go. this was a day after flynn had been fired. michael flynn case was a disaster for the white house on two levels, legally and politically. legally because it appears the president was trying to...
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flynn. interesting to see what he has to say despite pressure put on him with russia collusion in our highly successful political campaign. there was no collusion. former a.g. michael mukasey has analysis. peter doocy has the report outside u.s. district court and let's begin there with what else we have learned from the f.b.i. interview. >> there was another document released late last night with a ton of redactions but it shows that f.b.i. agents were helping flynn fill in a lot of blanks about conversations that he was having with the russian ambassador serge kislyak because the f.b.i. was monitoring flynn's communication and suggest that flynn knew his communications were being monitored because multiple times he thanked the f.b.i. for helping refresh his memory. the mueller team has problems with inconsistencies in the things that flynn recalled compared to their records fd same conversation and pled guilty to charges of misleading them. they don't have an issue with what the two spoke
flynn. interesting to see what he has to say despite pressure put on him with russia collusion in our highly successful political campaign. there was no collusion. former a.g. michael mukasey has analysis. peter doocy has the report outside u.s. district court and let's begin there with what else we have learned from the f.b.i. interview. >> there was another document released late last night with a ton of redactions but it shows that f.b.i. agents were helping flynn fill in a lot of...
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but, you know, flynn doesn't necessarily have information about that because flynn is -- you know, flynn is the one he's trying to help at that point. what i think here is flynn provided information that is allowing mueller to make a criminal case against someone. we don't know who that is. we can speculate or not speculate. but there's certainly somebody out there who has a criminal case that could be coming. one thing i can say for sure based on this is the reporting we've seen from some folks -- i know michael isikoff and others, saying that mueller is about to wrap up or just tying the loose ends, that does not appear to be accurate. >> asha, let me ask you about this because the filing says the defendant's false statements to the fbi about his contacts with the russian government emissary, the requests he conveyed to the russian government through that emissary, and russia's response to those requests were material to the fbi's investigation into the nature of any links or coordination between the russian government and individuals associated with the trump campaign. is this central
but, you know, flynn doesn't necessarily have information about that because flynn is -- you know, flynn is the one he's trying to help at that point. what i think here is flynn provided information that is allowing mueller to make a criminal case against someone. we don't know who that is. we can speculate or not speculate. but there's certainly somebody out there who has a criminal case that could be coming. one thing i can say for sure based on this is the reporting we've seen from some...
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flynn has been cooperating for more than a year. why did he hug flynn and hug cohen? >> we should be paying close tension him as we learn more about what's in the redacted section. the president has treated him with kid gloves and not just since he was charged with this, but from the moment that the president fired michael flynn from his job as national security adviser, he gave a press conference and spent the time defending michael flynn from the charges that he lied to the vice president. why? what is it about the circumstances around the situation that the president continuously wants to protect flynn from what he might be facing and put flynn in a tough spot. the president is alleging he has been tricked and flynn had to answer for that in court today and refute what the president has been claim being him all morning. the president is not helping michael flynn right now. in fact could be hurting him. could be making this more difficult for him. president trump is seemingly opening the door to a possibility that perhaps he is sending signals to yet another person.
flynn has been cooperating for more than a year. why did he hug flynn and hug cohen? >> we should be paying close tension him as we learn more about what's in the redacted section. the president has treated him with kid gloves and not just since he was charged with this, but from the moment that the president fired michael flynn from his job as national security adviser, he gave a press conference and spent the time defending michael flynn from the charges that he lied to the vice...
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flynn has given his testimony. mueller knows what flynn has had to say about all of the aspects of the case that flynn has knowledge with respect to. so it's not as if he can influence flynn's testimony any further. you know, flynn will get a chance to talk perhaps in court today before he's sentenced, and i'm sure he'll just be repentant for what he did and hope for mercy from the court. so i'm not exactly sure what the president's sort of message to flynn is at this point, given that it's too late in the day to prevent mueller from learning what flynn has to say. >> it will be interesting to hear what michael flynn has to say, if anything. he has stayed under the radar since he pleaded guilty to lying, although he has spoken quite frequently with robert mueller's team. 19 proffer sessions. he's offered substantial assistance, according to court documents, in the russia investigation and other federal probes. stick around. we'll have much more on flynn's sentencing just ahead. >>> plus, other news coming out. is t
flynn has given his testimony. mueller knows what flynn has had to say about all of the aspects of the case that flynn has knowledge with respect to. so it's not as if he can influence flynn's testimony any further. you know, flynn will get a chance to talk perhaps in court today before he's sentenced, and i'm sure he'll just be repentant for what he did and hope for mercy from the court. so i'm not exactly sure what the president's sort of message to flynn is at this point, given that it's too...
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, asking why flynn admitted guilt even though his lawyers accuse the fbi of tricking flynn into lying about his contacts with the former russian ambassador, sergey kislyak, during the january 2017 interview at the house. the sentencing memo where flynn's lawyers criticized the fbi may have been a major miscalculation and seemed to offend the judge who said, i cannot recall any incident where the court has ever accepted the plea of someone who maintained he was not guilty. flynn finally admitted he was aware lying to the fbi was a crime when he was interviewed in january 2017, and his lawyer responded "no" when the judge asked flynn if he believed he was kbrapentrapped by the fbi. the judge gave flynn several chances to rethink his guilty plea, but flynn told the judge he wanted to proceed. the judge asked, "because you're guilty of this offense?" flynn answered, "yes, your honor." . the judge told flynn he should delay sentencing until he is finished cooperating with the special counsel. flynn has met with mule per's team 19 times but indicated in court he plans to continue providing
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he forced flynn and flynn's lawyers to disavow any claim to that argument and ultimately flynn's lawyer even apologized to the judge for raising it at all. the judge, quote, do you believe the fbi had a legal obligation to warn mr. flynn that lying to the fbi was a federal crime? mr. kellner, the defense lawyer, no, your honor. was it your contention that mr. flynn was entrapped by the fbi? kellner, the defense lawyer, no, your honor. do you believe his rights were violated by the fact he didn't have a lawyer present for the interview? no, your honor. do you believe his rights were violated by the fact he may have been dissuaded by not having a lawyer present for the interview? no, your honor. the statement sentencing says that revelations of certain fbi officials involved in the interview were themselves being interviewed for misconduct. it your contention that any misconduct by any member of the fbi raises any degree of doubt that mr. flynn intentionally lied to the fbi? kelner, the defense tern, no, your honor. the references that i mention that appear in your sentencing memorandum r
he forced flynn and flynn's lawyers to disavow any claim to that argument and ultimately flynn's lawyer even apologized to the judge for raising it at all. the judge, quote, do you believe the fbi had a legal obligation to warn mr. flynn that lying to the fbi was a federal crime? mr. kellner, the defense lawyer, no, your honor. was it your contention that mr. flynn was entrapped by the fbi? kellner, the defense lawyer, no, your honor. do you believe his rights were violated by the fact he...
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i can see why the flynn defense team might have thought, boy, if we float this idea maybe flynn got a raw deal from the government you might get same pathetic ear. but the problem with that is judge sullivan is somebody who's going to say there might be a problem here, let's hear it, bring it out, i want to get to the bottom of it. and what happened today in court? he said okay, wait a minute, was this actually a problem? because judge sullivan is not somebody who's going to want you to come in and say, i plead guilty and i want credit for my cooperation. but also i was trick odd and the government, you know -- >> right. >> -- the government pulled one over on me and maybe wink, wink, nod, nod, committed misconduct. >> so judge sullivan seemed to have a few problems here, one as matt points out, he seemed to take great exception the fact the defense team for flynn why he didn't refer to donald trump, they're offloading this idea flynn was tricked into something and didn't show he shouldn't lie to the fbi. that's nonsense. everybody knew that was nonsense. but that seemed to get under
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michael flynn walked in and changed the story. >> stephanie, michael flynn's lawyers and michael flynn himself may have wanted less but it sure looks like judge emmitt sullivan wanted to impose more. the first thing that judge sullivan did was he placed michael flynn under oath. he said i have follow-up questions based on that memorandum that your attorneys filed. in my experience that's unusual. you only place a defendant under oath when krur taking his guilty plea not at the time of sentencing. but his attorneys raised so many questions in that unusual filing and the judge said, merely a quote, i've never seen a defendant plead guilty and a judge accept a plea of guilty if the defendant was not, in fact, guilty. so i have some more questions for you. and, steph, he then went on to ask, based on what your lawyers filed, are you saying that you think you should have been advised that lying to the fbi was a crime? he said no, your honor. the judge asked do you believe you were duped into pleading guilty because at the time of the interview you didn't have a lawyer present with you? he s
michael flynn walked in and changed the story. >> stephanie, michael flynn's lawyers and michael flynn himself may have wanted less but it sure looks like judge emmitt sullivan wanted to impose more. the first thing that judge sullivan did was he placed michael flynn under oath. he said i have follow-up questions based on that memorandum that your attorneys filed. in my experience that's unusual. you only place a defendant under oath when krur taking his guilty plea not at the time of...
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and suddenly flynn's not so bad, flynn's okay. i they he may have had second thoughts, may have realized that there are probably conversations between flynn and trump, with nobody else there, and quite possibly conversations involving the russians. so, again, all this is speculation, john. we need to see where it goes, but i will tell you this. that today a judge in washington, d.c., stood up for our country. he spanked everybody in washington. he was telling everybody with those angry remarks -- yes, he had to walk some back. but he was angry, and it was refreshing to see someone in washington in genuine anger, not calculated anger. someone who really cares about this country and who reminded even robert mueller, whom i admire enormously, reminded even mueller of the seriousness, the gravity of flynn's offenses. here's a former three-star general who in the judge's words appears to have sold our country out. it certainly appears that way to me, but i have a very high standard when it comes to military officers. so i felt we shoul
and suddenly flynn's not so bad, flynn's okay. i they he may have had second thoughts, may have realized that there are probably conversations between flynn and trump, with nobody else there, and quite possibly conversations involving the russians. so, again, all this is speculation, john. we need to see where it goes, but i will tell you this. that today a judge in washington, d.c., stood up for our country. he spanked everybody in washington. he was telling everybody with those angry remarks...
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and that's what they did to michael flynn. his recollection of a conversation with kislyak is different than the fbi's version of events. well, there is the fbi but that's not a crime but mueller makes it a crime. >> sean: and that's the point. and every single example we have from michael cohen taxicabs he did admit to lying to congress. he changed his testimony. put sthid. tax issues, loan application issues with manafort had nothing to do with russia long before he was near donald trump and his life. the same with tax issues with him. george papadopoulos, really? two weeks in jail, again, another process crime it seems like mueller's goal at this point to go after trump collusion. why trying so hard to tie people i interviewed in the last week both jerome corsi and roger stone to week wikileas saying they were trying to get that information and give that information to the trump campaign. now, both of them have told me in strong terms that they never talked to julian assange, they never talked to wikileaks. they never talke
and that's what they did to michael flynn. his recollection of a conversation with kislyak is different than the fbi's version of events. well, there is the fbi but that's not a crime but mueller makes it a crime. >> sean: and that's the point. and every single example we have from michael cohen taxicabs he did admit to lying to congress. he changed his testimony. put sthid. tax issues, loan application issues with manafort had nothing to do with russia long before he was near donald...
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it wasn't just about what flynn said and flynn knew about himself. that's all relevant. also really redacted. it tells you two things. one, you are not going to get the whole answer tonight and two, there is more wood to chop. let's get chem mow's court in session. barrett and ken. how do you see this mattering going forward? >> i think this was incredibly significant for a few reasons. first just as you mentioned, the redactions. there is a presumption in federal criminal court for transparency. you can't redact things lightly. you have to justify them. the special counsel said there are ongoing investigations and depending on the judge they had, they may have to back that up. it means that there are significant ongoing investigations and that it was critical for them to redact those, otherwise i don't think they would have gone to that extent. >> fair point and, ken, they have emmet sullivan on the case. he is no prosecutor patsy. he speaks his truth to power whenever he sees fit. in terms of the redactions and what's in this, what do you make in terms of how much it m
it wasn't just about what flynn said and flynn knew about himself. that's all relevant. also really redacted. it tells you two things. one, you are not going to get the whole answer tonight and two, there is more wood to chop. let's get chem mow's court in session. barrett and ken. how do you see this mattering going forward? >> i think this was incredibly significant for a few reasons. first just as you mentioned, the redactions. there is a presumption in federal criminal court for...
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and flynn said, no, your honor. he said, do you believe that you were maybe duped into pleading guilty because at the time of the interview you didn't have a lawyer present with you? he said, no, your honor. the judge said, are you pleading guilty because you are, in fact, guilty, and michael flynn said, yes, your honor, >> the judge laid into michael flynn saying it was a very serious offense and continued, quote, all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the united states. i mean, arguably, that undermines everything this flag over here, points to the flag in the courtroom, stands for. arguably, you sold your country out. the court's going to consider all of that. i cannot assure you that you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration. i'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense. judge sullivan then asked the prosecution whether flynn could have been charged with treason. after a recess, s
and flynn said, no, your honor. he said, do you believe that you were maybe duped into pleading guilty because at the time of the interview you didn't have a lawyer present with you? he said, no, your honor. the judge said, are you pleading guilty because you are, in fact, guilty, and michael flynn said, yes, your honor, >> the judge laid into michael flynn saying it was a very serious offense and continued, quote, all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while...
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flynn different? glen, do you have any idea? >> here's what i suspect. michael flynn's defense team has been pretty disciplined. so we haven't been hearing in the news what michael flynn has been saying to special counsel about the president or his close associates or his family. so i don't think -- i think this may be a miscalculation by president trump kind of propping up flynn because we don't know what flynn may have provided against the president. now, when all of this is disclosed when bob mueller shows his hand, it may turn out that michael flynn may have provided lots and lots of incriminating information about the president and then the president, as we've seen him do in the past, will probably change his tune and start attacking michael flynn as well. >> harry? >> here's the quick difference. this involves comey and strzok, his demons and talking points. that's getting weaker and weaker, and you're hearing his partisans even less likely to push it. he had another chance to play the whole att
flynn different? glen, do you have any idea? >> here's what i suspect. michael flynn's defense team has been pretty disciplined. so we haven't been hearing in the news what michael flynn has been saying to special counsel about the president or his close associates or his family. so i don't think -- i think this may be a miscalculation by president trump kind of propping up flynn because we don't know what flynn may have provided against the president. now, when all of this is disclosed...
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flynn dealt with the rbi on a routine basis. i know from covering the intelligence, these meetings were done to discuss the latest intelligence or counter terrorism targets. he had a very sort of familiar relationship with the fbi. it says the agents described flynn as being jockular and friendly and showing them around the west ring. the bottom line, someone like flynn with military and intelligence experience should have known that he couldn't make statements that were misleading to the fbi. flynn's lawyers argued that they didn't treat other situations in the same matter. they point to george papadopoulos and that he was warned about the serious nature of the investigation. critics of the special counsel and director comey point to hillary clinton. she's a sophisticated target in an investigation -- >> shepard: seriously? >> yes. that's what they point to. >> shepard: let them point, this is what the the prosecutor is pointing to. hillary clinton. seriously? the point with that was, that investigation is over and we're on to
flynn dealt with the rbi on a routine basis. i know from covering the intelligence, these meetings were done to discuss the latest intelligence or counter terrorism targets. he had a very sort of familiar relationship with the fbi. it says the agents described flynn as being jockular and friendly and showing them around the west ring. the bottom line, someone like flynn with military and intelligence experience should have known that he couldn't make statements that were misleading to the fbi....
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michael flynn declined to do so. he told the court that he was aware that false statements the fbi at any time could be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. we just had a brief pause in the proceedings. the judge has come back, and he has tried to -- in my view -- sort of mellow or walk back some comments. he directed flynn as to whether his contact with the russians ir december, right after the election, amounted to treasonous behavior. he said to general flynn that he felt his crimes were quite serious. he was a sitting national security advisor. he was making these contacts in the west wing, and he lied about the nature of those contacts to other members of the transition team, as well as the vice president. he said "you raise the question about whether this amounted to reason treasonous behavior." he came back to say that he didn't mean to imply that michael flynn had been treasonous. he also said, i want to note, put the special counsel under scrutiny and possibly even on notice. he asked the special counse
michael flynn declined to do so. he told the court that he was aware that false statements the fbi at any time could be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. we just had a brief pause in the proceedings. the judge has come back, and he has tried to -- in my view -- sort of mellow or walk back some comments. he directed flynn as to whether his contact with the russians ir december, right after the election, amounted to treasonous behavior. he said to general flynn that he felt his crimes...
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that flynn serve no jail time. today, in the wake of that remarkable document that came out just before we were on the air last night. today, we have had another couple of stories that seems to indicate that there's another few shoes that are going to drop soon. one concerns this person. who appears to have been the first ever person to get donald trump the presidential candidate, to talk on the record about u.s. sanctions against russia, and the fact that he wanted them dropped. >> okay. let's go. >> sorry. >> yes, ma'am. >> i'm from russia a. >> ah! >> so, my question will be about foreign politics. if you are elected ask president, what are your foreign politics specially with the relationships with my country and do you want to continue the politics of sanctions that are damaging of the economy, or you have any other ideas? >> i believe i would get along very nicely with putin, okay. and i mean, where we have the strength. i don't think you need the sanctions. i think that we would get along very, very well. i
that flynn serve no jail time. today, in the wake of that remarkable document that came out just before we were on the air last night. today, we have had another couple of stories that seems to indicate that there's another few shoes that are going to drop soon. one concerns this person. who appears to have been the first ever person to get donald trump the presidential candidate, to talk on the record about u.s. sanctions against russia, and the fact that he wanted them dropped. >> okay....
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a smooth year of cooperation between mueller and flynn was up ended last week when flynn filed a memo alleging the fbi misled him during his interview. no lawyer was present and he claimed he hadn't been warned of the potential legal consequences. mueller's team fired back, saying someone in flynn's position knows that lying to the fbi is a crime. the judge today asking flynn's lawyers if he was entrapped by the fbi. the attorney then softening their position, admitting, no, your honor. so where does this go from here? the judge told flynn, the more you assist the government, the more you help yourself. so flynn will be expected to cooperate further with the special counsel's office on top of the 19 interviews he's already given. on march 13th, there will be a status update in court. his sentencing is expected after that. wolf? >> have to wait for a while before he finds out if he's going to jail. stand by, evan perez, our senior justice correspondent, is with us, as well. you were in the courtroom. it certainly looked, from everything we're hearing -- you were there right inside -- t
a smooth year of cooperation between mueller and flynn was up ended last week when flynn filed a memo alleging the fbi misled him during his interview. no lawyer was present and he claimed he hadn't been warned of the potential legal consequences. mueller's team fired back, saying someone in flynn's position knows that lying to the fbi is a crime. the judge today asking flynn's lawyers if he was entrapped by the fbi. the attorney then softening their position, admitting, no, your honor. so...
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mike flynn folded. having dropped his defiant attacks on the fbi under oath, he went on to drop the entire plan to get sentenced today. i can tell you we were planning to cover this. we weren't planning to not get any sentencing information. this is all big and new tonight. mike flynn has talked a very big game for a long time. he got close to trump by talking trash about hillary clinton. >> if i, a guy who knows this business, if i did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, i would be in jail today. >> with all that big willie talk, flynn was playing himself. he talked a big game to the russian ambassador. when he lied about that to the fbi, flynn was playing himself. and today flynn turned a free pass from mueller into this judicial smackdown. with all that big willie talk, again, tlin was playing himself. how does someone keep making the same mistake? this criminal tendency was diagnosed by the great kendrick j.rudavis who explain people who talk the loudest often put themselves in the most danger, saying
mike flynn folded. having dropped his defiant attacks on the fbi under oath, he went on to drop the entire plan to get sentenced today. i can tell you we were planning to cover this. we weren't planning to not get any sentencing information. this is all big and new tonight. mike flynn has talked a very big game for a long time. he got close to trump by talking trash about hillary clinton. >> if i, a guy who knows this business, if i did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, i would be in jail...
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he's loyal to no one, but flynn, flynn's different. >> flynn has become a central figure for the president. has for a while. remember, he's the one at the convention who infamously started the first lock her up chant about hillary clinton. he responded to the crowd. he, himself, did it. he was a traveling partner of the president's. then-candidate trumps in the final weeks and months. he was on the plane. we saw him every single day traveling with the president. the close ties were formed. they think of it in a personal sense, not just a legal one. and his defense of -- it is an understatement to say it's highly unusual to wish him good luck today for a sentence. today in a very rare white house press briefing, the first time we've heard from sarah sanders in i believe over a month, she proceeded to not walk back any of this praise. >> tell us about that, we have a policy of not airing those. what did she say? like the old-fashioned days, an oral telling. >> very brief, only about 15 minutes. >> what did we miss? >> in terms of the flynn case, she was pressed about the proceedings today. s
he's loyal to no one, but flynn, flynn's different. >> flynn has become a central figure for the president. has for a while. remember, he's the one at the convention who infamously started the first lock her up chant about hillary clinton. he responded to the crowd. he, himself, did it. he was a traveling partner of the president's. then-candidate trumps in the final weeks and months. he was on the plane. we saw him every single day traveling with the president. the close ties were...
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you might have seen a lot of headlines today describing him as a flynn associate or a flynn business associate who has now been charged as a secret foreign agent. but honestly, the way he should be described today in terms of the import of this new indictment and how this fits into everything, the way he should be described today is as a trump transition official, who was charged today as a secret foreign agent. look, his linkedin page is still there. this is the linkedin page for bijan kian, who today became the latest person connected with president trump to be charged. he says he was on the odni landing team for trump's transition team. see, his title listed there, presidential title team's intelligence community deputy lead. odni landing team. and a prescient associated press piece from last summer which raised concerns about this very early, reporter steven braun and chad day noted that mr. kian, again, this is the guy who was charged today, noted that he was involved in the transition in, quote, sensitive hiring and policy discussions involving u.s. intelligence. according to o
you might have seen a lot of headlines today describing him as a flynn associate or a flynn business associate who has now been charged as a secret foreign agent. but honestly, the way he should be described today in terms of the import of this new indictment and how this fits into everything, the way he should be described today is as a trump transition official, who was charged today as a secret foreign agent. look, his linkedin page is still there. this is the linkedin page for bijan kian,...
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to flynn requesting additional information to determine whether he, the flynn intelligence group or other individuals had an obligation to register as an agent of a foreign government under the foreign agents registration act. and of course in quick succession thereafter, mike flynn was named national security adviser. he was sworn in as national security adviser. he then very quickly had to resign as national security adviser. after he had resign, he retroactively registered as a foreign agent representing the government of turkey. he was then charged with lying to fbi investigators about his contacts with the russian government as part of the larging documents in that case he admitted that he also lied to investigators about him being a paid agent for the government of turkey and the fact that he was acting illegally in this country as their unregistered foreign agent during the time that he was the top national security adviser on the trump campaign and in fact right up through election day. today with the unsealing of this indictment, we learn that flynn's turkish government con
to flynn requesting additional information to determine whether he, the flynn intelligence group or other individuals had an obligation to register as an agent of a foreign government under the foreign agents registration act. and of course in quick succession thereafter, mike flynn was named national security adviser. he was sworn in as national security adviser. he then very quickly had to resign as national security adviser. after he had resign, he retroactively registered as a foreign agent...
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of course flynn knew that. i also see this reply as really just an effort to rebut the way this meeting was characterized by the defense, because in the defense submission they said, you know, it was a comfortable atmosphere and casual and this lie really wasn't as bad as the other lies told by other individuals who went to jail, papadopoulos, which they also reference in the defense memo. i think this got the hackles up of the mueller team and they wanted to more accurately characterize what went on in this interview. >> i would just say the key line in this to me is this line that mccabe, who was then the deputy director, called flynn to arrange the interview and explained the fbi needed to talk to him in light of all the coverage in light of his contacts with russians, and he said are you going to ask me about that and mccabe said yes. the defense memo said he did not know where it was headed and it blind-sided him. >> to the point that glenn was making before we actually got this news about why federal pros
of course flynn knew that. i also see this reply as really just an effort to rebut the way this meeting was characterized by the defense, because in the defense submission they said, you know, it was a comfortable atmosphere and casual and this lie really wasn't as bad as the other lies told by other individuals who went to jail, papadopoulos, which they also reference in the defense memo. i think this got the hackles up of the mueller team and they wanted to more accurately characterize what...
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so why did flynn lie about it? >> lies are a very significant red flag for investigators because they suggest that the person has what's known as a consciousness of guilt. they know they've done something they need to cover up, and telling the truth is worse than the risk of a lie. so that question remains unknown. there's a little bit of a clue that appears in the statement of the offense that was filed at the time of mike flynn's guilty plea where it talks about not only was he talking to the russian ambassador, but he was getting coaching and guidance from people at mar-a-lago. they were referred to as a senior official in the trump transition team and later someone referred to as a very senior official on the trump transition team. we don't know exactly who those people are. some have speculated flynn's deputy may have been one of those people. but who knows who those people are. and that's the piece of it. is there a larger conspiracy here to make agreements with the russians, and what is the larger agreement
so why did flynn lie about it? >> lies are a very significant red flag for investigators because they suggest that the person has what's known as a consciousness of guilt. they know they've done something they need to cover up, and telling the truth is worse than the risk of a lie. so that question remains unknown. there's a little bit of a clue that appears in the statement of the offense that was filed at the time of mike flynn's guilty plea where it talks about not only was he talking...
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not just flynn but all the people flynn coordinated with in creating these lies. it's a bad day for the narrative that this is just a witch hunt and there is nothing serious they are. >> judge jeanine: joining us now is the author of "why we fight." sebastian gorka. one of the things that seems to continuously come back at us is, james comey lying or being inconsistent in terms of his own answers regarding the same thin thing. for example, there had to be a coincidence that after the tarmac meeting between bill clinton and loretta lynch, there had to be a meeting between the chief justice and the fbi but nothing was ever mentioned about this. >> not only that but we know that james comey after his classified meeting, is briefing with president-elect trump, he gets into an fbi vehicle and on an fbi laptop, writes up a memo that is by nature classified, due to a summary meeting of the president in which he gives to his law professor friend as a leak to the media. with regards to what happened today, it's very, very clear. i was on the transition team with general fl
not just flynn but all the people flynn coordinated with in creating these lies. it's a bad day for the narrative that this is just a witch hunt and there is nothing serious they are. >> judge jeanine: joining us now is the author of "why we fight." sebastian gorka. one of the things that seems to continuously come back at us is, james comey lying or being inconsistent in terms of his own answers regarding the same thin thing. for example, there had to be a coincidence that...
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how much does michael flynn know? how damaging could this document that mueller and his team are planning to release at any moment actually be? >> it is hard to say. we know michael flynn was close to the president throughout the campaign and in the transition. in the early days in the white house he obviously had a number of conversations with sergey kislyak, then the russian ambassador that he for whatever reason felt the need to lie about. this is something that really stumped people who were serving in the white house at that time, why he felt like he needed to make up these cover stories, why he felt like he needed to lie about these conversations. also, why he felt like he could get away with it for so long and that it wasn't going to come out. i think it will be fascinating to see, you know, if they layout a little more substance about what the conversations were about and, of course, whether michael flynn shared any of this information with president-elect trump or president trump at the time. >> jessica, how
how much does michael flynn know? how damaging could this document that mueller and his team are planning to release at any moment actually be? >> it is hard to say. we know michael flynn was close to the president throughout the campaign and in the transition. in the early days in the white house he obviously had a number of conversations with sergey kislyak, then the russian ambassador that he for whatever reason felt the need to lie about. this is something that really stumped people...
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strzok said he and this other fbi agent who interviewed flynn had the impression at the time that flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying. flynn struck strzok, the fbi agent as bright but not profoundly sophisticated. what's interesting about this is that flynn's attorneys are arguing had it was the fbi agents who went in there under false pretenses. they were acting like they were friends with him, we're just allies trying to get information and in essence tricked him into lying. that's why they wanted this information released. it is very rare we get to see these kinds of documents. we're getting an inside view now of the interview, of what it was like at the white house when the fbi agents went there to talk to michael flynn. there's more here obviously we're going through, talked about when they received a phone call from michael flynn, how all what went down. this is fascinating because we never get the chance to look inside the room of an interview. that's what we're getting here. and just the perception of the fbi agents at the time. we heard all this. no one thought at
strzok said he and this other fbi agent who interviewed flynn had the impression at the time that flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying. flynn struck strzok, the fbi agent as bright but not profoundly sophisticated. what's interesting about this is that flynn's attorneys are arguing had it was the fbi agents who went in there under false pretenses. they were acting like they were friends with him, we're just allies trying to get information and in essence tricked him into lying....
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district court with michael flynn. it was revealed in a memo last night that fbi agents indicated to flynn and he seemed to indicate to them that everybody knew flynn's phone calls were being reported. there was a question why would the fbi need to ask michael flynn about conversations they knew about? comey said i'm only hesitating because if there were other communications, other phones, other means of communication, we wouldn't know that. we had clear transcripts of the conversations we had. there was also a question in the flynn proceedings about whether or not the fbi permitted mr. flynn, general flynn, to have an attorney there, whether he knew he could have an attorney there and comey said -- he was asked about an interview that he gave in new york city where he said yeah, that would be the norm in a bush administration or obama administration. but it was a gray area in the transition before the trump administration took over. comey explained that under questioning from trey gowdy to say this. i don't think ther
district court with michael flynn. it was revealed in a memo last night that fbi agents indicated to flynn and he seemed to indicate to them that everybody knew flynn's phone calls were being reported. there was a question why would the fbi need to ask michael flynn about conversations they knew about? comey said i'm only hesitating because if there were other communications, other phones, other means of communication, we wouldn't know that. we had clear transcripts of the conversations we had....