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hutchinson: mr. meadows was having -- and what i just spent understand it was more -- and what i understand, it was more of what i am hearing. we want you to be to -- aware of it. you are the chief of staff and -- conversations -- you should be ready to take action on this. i am concerned with you and your positioning. reach out to me if you have questions or if i can be helpful. rep. cheney: inside the white house, the president advisors including members of this family wanted delivered -- these delivered to the country. -- delivered by a pretaped video on january 7. when he arrived at the white house on the seventh, mr. fielding believed that more needed to be set so he started writing. he shared the draft to someone who believed the president needed to say more. mr. pallone agree with the concept -- context. the committee has learned that the president did not agree to the draft and resisted giving a speech. do you recall discussions about the president's speech on january 7? [applause] i do --ms.
hutchinson: mr. meadows was having -- and what i just spent understand it was more -- and what i understand, it was more of what i am hearing. we want you to be to -- aware of it. you are the chief of staff and -- conversations -- you should be ready to take action on this. i am concerned with you and your positioning. reach out to me if you have questions or if i can be helpful. rep. cheney: inside the white house, the president advisors including members of this family wanted delivered --...
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hutchinson. today, we're going to be focusing primarily on the events of january 5 and 6th at the white house. but to begin and to frame the discussion, i want to talk about a conversation that you had with mr. john ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence. and you had this conversation in december of 2020. mr. ratcliffe was nominated by president trump to oversee u.s. intelligence -- our u.s. intelligence community. and before his appointnt, mr. ratcliffe was a republican member of congress. as you will see on this clip, director ratcliffe's comments in december of 2020 were prescient. >> my understanding was mr. -- director ratcliffe didn't want much to do with the post-election period. director ratcliffe felt that it wasn't something that the white house should be pursuing. it felt it was dangerous for the president's legacy. he had expressed to me that he was concerned that it could spiral out of control and potentially be dangerous, either for our democracy or the way that things wer
hutchinson. today, we're going to be focusing primarily on the events of january 5 and 6th at the white house. but to begin and to frame the discussion, i want to talk about a conversation that you had with mr. john ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence. and you had this conversation in december of 2020. mr. ratcliffe was nominated by president trump to oversee u.s. intelligence -- our u.s. intelligence community. and before his appointnt, mr. ratcliffe was a republican member of...
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hutchinson, thank you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and helping the american people get a complete understanding of january 6th and its causes. thank you for your courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude of this committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions, but after hearing your testimony in all its candor and detail, i want to speak directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliars in our investigation, the small number who have defied us outright. those whose memories have failed them again and again on the most important details and to those who fear donald trump and his enablers because of this courageous woman and others like her, your attempt to hide the truth from the american people will fail. and to that group of witnesses, if you've heard this testimony today and suddenly you remember things you couldn't previously recall, or there's some details you'd like to clarify, or you discovered some courage you had hid
hutchinson, thank you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and helping the american people get a complete understanding of january 6th and its causes. thank you for your courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude of this committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions, but after hearing your testimony in all its candor and detail, i want to speak directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliars in our investigation, the...
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cassidy hutchinson was sworn in on capitol hill. it would have been against the law for her to lie a point her lawyer made in a tweet. miss hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told under oath. >> we agree. as they try to discredit her, smear her, damage ler and those attacks will likely endanger her safety and honing in on discrepancies in one single anecdote. a story inside two hours of testimony having to do with trump grabbing a steering wheel. there's a lot we don't know about what happened in the moment. hutchinson was completely transparent. she didn't say she was in the car. she said she heard the story. it was recounted to her secondhand. that was her sworn testimony. let's be clear, trump's fixations on that story is a red herring, a distraction. there's nothing else in the testimony that they could or would dispute. we are back with our panel. so katty kay, first the earth cooled and then men started extend being the severity of the alter kags. she's recounting a story told to her by two men near the
cassidy hutchinson was sworn in on capitol hill. it would have been against the law for her to lie a point her lawyer made in a tweet. miss hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told under oath. >> we agree. as they try to discredit her, smear her, damage ler and those attacks will likely endanger her safety and honing in on discrepancies in one single anecdote. a story inside two hours of testimony having to do with trump grabbing a steering wheel. there's a lot we...
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talk about the portrait of the president that cassidy hutchinson laid out today. >> cassidy hutchinson today her testimony made this i believe, this investigation the january 6 investigation the most significant by congress since the senate watergate investigation of 1973. because she put the president in a criminal conspiracy. she made it clear that for the white house the violence on capitol hill on january 6 was premeditated. she made it clear that people around the president were trying to get him to stop the violence. we have wanted now since january 6 to understand those critical hours. when the very small group of capitol police officers were trying to protect those who were protecting our votes. and we were trying to figure out why didn't the white house do anything. why did it take the president so long to speak to us. cassidy hutchinson has now begun the process of laying the ground work for us to understand it. and, as john and nick have both just said, we now need to know much more and we need to hear from both pat cipollone and mark meadows. what's the portrait of trump? w
talk about the portrait of the president that cassidy hutchinson laid out today. >> cassidy hutchinson today her testimony made this i believe, this investigation the january 6 investigation the most significant by congress since the senate watergate investigation of 1973. because she put the president in a criminal conspiracy. she made it clear that for the white house the violence on capitol hill on january 6 was premeditated. she made it clear that people around the president were...
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pat cipollone said it best through hutchinson. that if they go down to the capitol, they will be charged with all sorts of crimes, including some of the ones that liz cheney has been speaking about. the idea of obstructing an official proceeding. trying to defraud the united states. all this comes down to the state of mind. what you knew when you knew it. for the president of the united states to be aware two to three minutes before going on stage that there was an armed crowd of people that had been riled up and believed the election had been stolen based on what he knew to be fraudulent information, his legal exposure is wide open. >> certainly is right now. i want you to watch liz cheney describe a message that a committee witness got from someone in trump's orbit. li listen to this. >> person let many know you have your deposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know he's thinking about you. he knows you're loyal and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. >> textbook shall we say witness test t
pat cipollone said it best through hutchinson. that if they go down to the capitol, they will be charged with all sorts of crimes, including some of the ones that liz cheney has been speaking about. the idea of obstructing an official proceeding. trying to defraud the united states. all this comes down to the state of mind. what you knew when you knew it. for the president of the united states to be aware two to three minutes before going on stage that there was an armed crowd of people that...
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hutchinson? >> was furious because he wanted the arena on the ellipse to be maxed out at capacity for all attendees. the team had relayed to him that everybody who wanted to come and had already come in, but he was still angry about the extra space and wanted more people to come in. >> did you go to the rally in the presidential motorcade? i was there, yes. in the motorcade. >> or you backstage with the president and other members of his staff and family? >> i was. >> you told us about particular comments you heard while in that area. >> when we were in the announced area tent behind the stage, he was very concerned about the shot -- the photograph we would get -- because the stage was not looking for. he said he wanted it to be full and for people not to feel excluded because they had come far for the rally. he thought the mags were at fault for not leading everybody in -- not letting everybody in. he wanted it full and he was angry that they were not letting people through the mags with weapons
hutchinson? >> was furious because he wanted the arena on the ellipse to be maxed out at capacity for all attendees. the team had relayed to him that everybody who wanted to come and had already come in, but he was still angry about the extra space and wanted more people to come in. >> did you go to the rally in the presidential motorcade? i was there, yes. in the motorcade. >> or you backstage with the president and other members of his staff and family? >> i was....
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cassidy hutchinson, 26 years old, she sat just down the hall from the oval office. a loyal trump aide, she testified about when she became concerned, scared about what could happen on january 6th. the disturbing incidents she says she witnessed. four days before january 6th, she said she escorted rudy giuliani out of the white house and that he asked her if she was excited about january 6th, saying the president would be going to the capitol. when she asked her own boss, former chief of staff mark meadows, about that, she testified he said, "there's a lot going on and things might get real, real bad on january 6th." then on the morning of january 6th, she testified reports started coming in of armed people at and near the rally. the committee revealing law enforcement reporting seeing pistols, rifles, even ar-15s. then hutchinson saying the former president was irate that the area wasn't full, saying that he didn't care they had weapons, "they're not here to hurt me, let them in." hutchinson testifying that the lead secret service agent robert engel and deputy chief
cassidy hutchinson, 26 years old, she sat just down the hall from the oval office. a loyal trump aide, she testified about when she became concerned, scared about what could happen on january 6th. the disturbing incidents she says she witnessed. four days before january 6th, she said she escorted rudy giuliani out of the white house and that he asked her if she was excited about january 6th, saying the president would be going to the capitol. when she asked her own boss, former chief of staff...
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it's hutchinson reporting to her what was told to her by someone else. it's true here say is often excluded, but it has so many exceptions. there are so many holes in the rule. so many that could scarcely be said to be a rule anymore. but the reality is we're not in court and sometimes here say is totally reliable and that's why we have so many exceptions to the rule. some of this may be reliable. you look at the source itself and if that source is checkable, verifiable, it's not going to be discarded. here, you should take it for what it's worth. >> thank you. let me go to ali who's outside the hearing room. i've got wonder what you were seeing inside the room. the reaction to some of the bombshells she dropped, describing this picture of a president lunging for his secret service protector. >> you saw people's eyes almost pop out of their head as she described that moment of the former president lunging for the steering wheel and security saying i'm going to need you to take your hand off that steering wheel. i've been in the room at every one of these
it's hutchinson reporting to her what was told to her by someone else. it's true here say is often excluded, but it has so many exceptions. there are so many holes in the rule. so many that could scarcely be said to be a rule anymore. but the reality is we're not in court and sometimes here say is totally reliable and that's why we have so many exceptions to the rule. some of this may be reliable. you look at the source itself and if that source is checkable, verifiable, it's not going to be...
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for cassidy hutchinson, the young unflappable white house staffer who testified before the january 6th investigation yesterday, the events she witnessed on and around january 6th last year were the tipping point for her. she described feeling frustrated and disappointed and disgusted with the president's apparent approval of the violence as the capital was being overrun but for the most part, we should probably stop looking for big shifts in public opinion about donald trump in reaction to new information. politically, americans seem pretty set in their opinions about him, but opinions aren't everything. there's actually this interesting pesky little thing called the law. and on that front, there's a noticeable shift happening today in one area. there's a real insignificant shift under way in analysis about whether donald trump might now, as a result of all of this new information, actually be prosecuted for his role in january 6th. people who thought that would never happen today awoke today thinking it just might and perhaps more likely than not and that shift is happening where it m
for cassidy hutchinson, the young unflappable white house staffer who testified before the january 6th investigation yesterday, the events she witnessed on and around january 6th last year were the tipping point for her. she described feeling frustrated and disappointed and disgusted with the president's apparent approval of the violence as the capital was being overrun but for the most part, we should probably stop looking for big shifts in public opinion about donald trump in reaction to new...
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hutchinson's attorney tweeting overnight ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. i don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get through the mags or metal detectors because they had weapons. >> i overheard the president say sig to the effect of no effing care if they have weapons, they are not there to hurt me, take the effing mags away. >> reporter: hutchinson testified that mark meadows and rudy giuliani wanted presidential pardons. giuliani denies t meadows did not immediately comment. and hutchinson provided new insight into the trump white house, describing the president leaving a trail of ketchup on the white house wall after attorney general bill barr declared there was no fraud in the election. >>
hutchinson's attorney tweeting overnight ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. i don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get through the mags or metal detectors...
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. >>> cassidy hutchinson, a top aide to mark meadows, whose own desk was just down the hall from the oval office, testifying about the crucial days just before january 6th and then about the day itself. there for the president's speech at the ellipse that morning. she said she heard the president say, "let the protesters who are armed in." the president saying, "they're not here to hurt me." she testified after his speech, the president back in the presidential suv, that he wanted hem to take him to the capitol. and what happened next. she testified the former president, she was told, reached for the wheel. tonight here, our team asking the secret service for reaction and what we're learning already. also, that white house aide testifying her own boss, former chief of staff mark meadows, and rudy giuliani, both asked her pardons after january 6th. and tonight, how the former president is now responding. jonathan karl and pierre thomas standing by. >>> also tonight, the death toll rising in texas. authorities now believe the deadliy iest hue man smuggling operation in u.s. history. at
. >>> cassidy hutchinson, a top aide to mark meadows, whose own desk was just down the hall from the oval office, testifying about the crucial days just before january 6th and then about the day itself. there for the president's speech at the ellipse that morning. she said she heard the president say, "let the protesters who are armed in." the president saying, "they're not here to hurt me." she testified after his speech, the president back in the presidential suv,...
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plus former white house aide cassidy hutchinson firing back. what she just said about the now disputed portion of her testimony. did the former president try to grab the steering wheel and lunge at a secret service agent? what the secret service is saying tonight. >>> also the growing confusion over abortion in kentucky the trigger law battle taken to the courts. and in arizona the argument over differing laws >>> r. kelly sentenced to 30 years in prison after years of allegations. the reaction tonight >>> devastating new images of that russian attack on a shopping mall in ukraine as the u.s. announces a new show of force in europe >>> hundreds of flights canceled, thousands since the start of the week. the new warning tonight from airlines ahead of the busy holiday weekend. >>> plus the massive fire engulfing a camp dining hall. >>> and a terrifying moment inside yellowstone, a bison attacking a visitor. his condition tonight. >>> and finally a salute to a world war ii hero who showed us the meaning of courage. >> announcer: this is "nbc night
plus former white house aide cassidy hutchinson firing back. what she just said about the now disputed portion of her testimony. did the former president try to grab the steering wheel and lunge at a secret service agent? what the secret service is saying tonight. >>> also the growing confusion over abortion in kentucky the trigger law battle taken to the courts. and in arizona the argument over differing laws >>> r. kelly sentenced to 30 years in prison after years of...
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hutchinson's knowledge today. again, our future hearings will supply greater detail, putting the testimony today in a broader and more complete context. certain firsthand observations of president trump's conduct on january 6th. also hear new information regarding the actions and statements of mr. trump senior advisers that day, including mark meadows and his white house counsel. and we will begin to examine evidence bearing on what president trump and members of the white house staff knew about the prospect for violence on january 6th, even before that violence began. we will follow the practice of our recent hearings, playing video tape testimony from miss hutchinson and others and also miss hutchinson live. i yield back, mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. our witness today is miss hutchinson, served in the trump administration, white house office of legislative affairs on 2019 to 2020 and as a special assistant to the president in the white house staff of staff's office from march 2020 to january 2021. i wil
hutchinson's knowledge today. again, our future hearings will supply greater detail, putting the testimony today in a broader and more complete context. certain firsthand observations of president trump's conduct on january 6th. also hear new information regarding the actions and statements of mr. trump senior advisers that day, including mark meadows and his white house counsel. and we will begin to examine evidence bearing on what president trump and members of the white house staff knew...
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according to hutchinson, the president still planned to go. secret service deemed it unsafe and decided they would take the president back to the white house instead. hutchinson said when she got back to the white house, another top aide described president trump's aggressive reaction toward bobby engel he's the head of the president's protective detail. >> the president said something to the effect of i'm the effing president. take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol mr. trump then used his free handing to lunge towards bobby engle. when mr. ornato told me the story he motioned towards his clavicles. >> hutchinson described the moment rioters were closing in on the capitol she said the white house counsel went straight to mark meadows urging actio
according to hutchinson, the president still planned to go. secret service deemed it unsafe and decided they would take the president back to the white house instead. hutchinson said when she got back to the white house, another top aide described president trump's aggressive reaction toward bobby engel he's the head of the president's protective detail. >> the president said something to the effect of i'm the effing president. take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responded, sir,...
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hutchinson for much of this. and also on the right side of history here in saying do not do any of this. what is the progress of the committee of getting pat cipollone to testify? >> well, the committee's obviously very interested in hearing from mr. cipollone, and i can't make any report about the details of any negotiations that may or may not be taking place. but i will say that today was indeed a huge breakthrough in terms of our understanding of events because cassidy hutchinson, who displayed a lot of courage, a lot of character coming before the committee today, demolished any pretense that the savage mob violence that came out of that crowd and that eventuated in the storming of the capitol somehow took donald trump by surprise. i mean, he was perfectly aware that there were weapons out in that crowd, and according to her testimony, wanted to take down the mags, in other words, remove the metal detectors so the armed people could mix in with everybody else in preparation for the march up to the capitol. >
hutchinson for much of this. and also on the right side of history here in saying do not do any of this. what is the progress of the committee of getting pat cipollone to testify? >> well, the committee's obviously very interested in hearing from mr. cipollone, and i can't make any report about the details of any negotiations that may or may not be taking place. but i will say that today was indeed a huge breakthrough in terms of our understanding of events because cassidy hutchinson, who...
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the cassidy hutchinson is just 26 years old, but she had that up close and unparalleled access to the president and top white house officials in those final months of trump's term. she was the top aide to chief of staff mark meadows and with her office just steps from the west wing she witnessed stunning interactions surrounding january 6th. >> the evening was the first moment that i remember feeling scared and nervous for what could happen on january 6th, and i had a deeper concern for what was happening with the planning aspects of it. >> reporter: cassidy hutchinson chronicling the days and hours leading up to the january 6 capitol attack. the former senior aide to white house chief of staff mark meadows recalling a meeting between rudy giuliani and mark meadows on january 2nd. >> i remember looking at him saying, rudy, could you explain what's happening on the 6th? he had responded something to the effect of we're going to the capitol, it's going to be great, the president is going to be there, he's going to look powerful. i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in hi
the cassidy hutchinson is just 26 years old, but she had that up close and unparalleled access to the president and top white house officials in those final months of trump's term. she was the top aide to chief of staff mark meadows and with her office just steps from the west wing she witnessed stunning interactions surrounding january 6th. >> the evening was the first moment that i remember feeling scared and nervous for what could happen on january 6th, and i had a deeper concern for...
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hutchinson? >> because he wanted the arena that we had to be maxed out at capacity for all attendees. the events team relayed that it was free flowing, everyone that wanted to come in had come in and he was angry about the extra space and he wanted more people to come in. >> did you go to the rally in the presidential motorcade? >> i was there, yes, in the motorcade. >> were you backstage with the president and other members of staff and family? >> i was. >> and you told us about particular comment that's you heard while you were in the tent area. >> when we were in the off stage announce area tent behind the stage he was very concerned about the shot, meaning the photograph that he would get, because the rally space was not full. one of the reasons, which i previously stated was because he wanted it to be full, and for people to not feel excluded. and he felt the mags were at fault for not letting everybody in, but another leading reason, likely the primary reason, is he wanted it full and he wa
hutchinson? >> because he wanted the arena that we had to be maxed out at capacity for all attendees. the events team relayed that it was free flowing, everyone that wanted to come in had come in and he was angry about the extra space and he wanted more people to come in. >> did you go to the rally in the presidential motorcade? >> i was there, yes, in the motorcade. >> were you backstage with the president and other members of staff and family? >> i was. >>...
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hutchinson about mr. meadows, some of what the committee presumably would want to ask him if he had the courage or decency to talk. >> i remember leaning against the doorway and saying i had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. sounds like we're going to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know things might get, real, real bad on january 6th. >> do you know if mr. meadows intended to go to the willard hotel on january 6th? >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the hotel that night. >> what was mark's reaction, mr. meadow's reaction to this list of weapons people had in the crowd? >> i remember distinctly mark not looking up from his phone. i remember tony finishing his explanation and it taking a few seconds for mark to say to where i almost said, mark, did you hear him? and then mark chimed in, was like, all right, anything else? still looking down at
hutchinson about mr. meadows, some of what the committee presumably would want to ask him if he had the courage or decency to talk. >> i remember leaning against the doorway and saying i had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. sounds like we're going to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know things might get, real, real bad on january 6th. >> do you know if mr. meadows intended to go...
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cassidy hutchinson, former aid to mark meadows, testified on tuesday. we learned a lot about some of donald trump's closest advisers and roles they played leading up to the capitol riot. hutchinson testified that trump was very interested to know what would happen on january 6 and he asked mark med des to call his close allies michael flynn and roger stone to see what they knew. both flynn and stone testified before the committee. here is a look at part of flynn's deposition. >> general flynn, do you believe the violence on january 6 was justified? >> can i get a clarification? is that horl qumoral question o deeper question? >> i'm asking both. do you believe the violence on january 6 was justified morally? >> i take the fifth. >> do you believe the violence on january 6 was justified legally? >> no. >> do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the united states of america? >> the fifth. >> most legal experts say the simple answer to all those questions is no, but michael flynn wasn't the only one doing trump's bidding. cassidy hutchinson r
cassidy hutchinson, former aid to mark meadows, testified on tuesday. we learned a lot about some of donald trump's closest advisers and roles they played leading up to the capitol riot. hutchinson testified that trump was very interested to know what would happen on january 6 and he asked mark med des to call his close allies michael flynn and roger stone to see what they knew. both flynn and stone testified before the committee. here is a look at part of flynn's deposition. >> general...
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cassidy hutchinson recounted mr. trump over turning tables in fits of rage. >> and mark meadows' detachment the 6th. and here's about efforts to get the former president to stop the violence that day. >> not long after the rioters broke into the capitol, you described what happened with white house counsel, pat. >> no more than a minute, minute and a half later, i see pat barrelling towards the office and said is mark in his office? and i said yes. he looked at me and started shaking his head. and went over opened mark's office door, stood with the door propped open and mark is on his phone. i remember he's still sitting on his phone. and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have got to the capitol, mark. we need to go see the president now. and mark said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of and very clearly said this to mark. something to the effect of mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood'ses going to be on yo
cassidy hutchinson recounted mr. trump over turning tables in fits of rage. >> and mark meadows' detachment the 6th. and here's about efforts to get the former president to stop the violence that day. >> not long after the rioters broke into the capitol, you described what happened with white house counsel, pat. >> no more than a minute, minute and a half later, i see pat barrelling towards the office and said is mark in his office? and i said yes. he looked at me and started...
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that's g-o-l-o.com. >>> cassidy hutchinson. the former aide to the white house chief of staff delivering bomb shell testimony today about then president trump's actions on january 6. hutchinson lawyers putting out a new statement following her testimony saying in part, i quote, while she didn't seek out the attention accompanying testimony today she believes that it was her duty and responsibility to provide the committee with her truthful and candid observations of the events surrounding january 6. i want to bring in the former homeland security and covid task force adviser to vice president pence. olivia troy. thank you so much. talk to me about cassidy hutchinson. you know her. she is being revered in some circles and reviled in others. what's your reaction to her testimony and the response to it? >> i feel like i worked closely with cassidy. she was a prominent figure in the west wing in the trump administration. she was the gate keeper to meadows. everybody who worked there or familiar with the senior circles and the admin
that's g-o-l-o.com. >>> cassidy hutchinson. the former aide to the white house chief of staff delivering bomb shell testimony today about then president trump's actions on january 6. hutchinson lawyers putting out a new statement following her testimony saying in part, i quote, while she didn't seek out the attention accompanying testimony today she believes that it was her duty and responsibility to provide the committee with her truthful and candid observations of the events...
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something hutchinson says the white house counsel, pat cipollone, warned would result in the white house getting charged with, quote, every crime imaginable. as pamela brown reports for us, cassidy hutchinson gave damning testimony about her former boss, mark meadows. >> as an american, i was disgusted. >> bombshell testimony from surprise witness cassidy hutchinson. a former top aide to white house chief of staff mark meadows. >> i overheard the president say something to the effect of, i don't care that they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the f'ing mags away. let me people in. they can march to the capitol from here. >> hutchinson describing how trump allegedly directed white house staff to remove the metal detectors around the ellipse because he was upset the crowd didn't look big enough. hutchinson testifying that lead white house counsel pat cipollone warned of legal exposure if trump followed his supporters to the capitol. >> we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we let mat move happen. >> do you remember what crimes mr. scipollone was concerned
something hutchinson says the white house counsel, pat cipollone, warned would result in the white house getting charged with, quote, every crime imaginable. as pamela brown reports for us, cassidy hutchinson gave damning testimony about her former boss, mark meadows. >> as an american, i was disgusted. >> bombshell testimony from surprise witness cassidy hutchinson. a former top aide to white house chief of staff mark meadows. >> i overheard the president say something to the...
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and her name is cassidy hutchinson. and they have so much information. >> yes. >> others have come forward. willie, we know so much of what happened on january 6 now inside of the white house because of cassidy. there are other people that will come forward. i know you brought up, before, the secret service testimony. there were people that were there, there were people that recounted it in front of the secret service agent. that secret service agent didn't say it wasn't true. which i think what you have in a case like that is secret service doesn't want to testify against any president that they're doing detail on. and i certainly understand that. >> yeah. >> but put that aside that and plates being thrown. >> against the wall. >> that's color commentary, okay? that's howard cosell, and that danny on "monday night football." the play-by-play is frank gifford. and this is the play-by-play. the play-by-play is donald trump knew there were heavily armed rioters that were moving towards his speech. he wanted secret service
and her name is cassidy hutchinson. and they have so much information. >> yes. >> others have come forward. willie, we know so much of what happened on january 6 now inside of the white house because of cassidy. there are other people that will come forward. i know you brought up, before, the secret service testimony. there were people that were there, there were people that recounted it in front of the secret service agent. that secret service agent didn't say it wasn't true. which...
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hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall. there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> miss hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there are several times throughout my tenure with the chief of staff that i was aware of him either throwing dishes or flipping the tablecloth to let all the contents of the table go onto the floor and likely break or go everywhere. >> reporter: on january 6th, even after he returned to the white house, trump still wanted to join the march to the capitol. >> he said he wanted to physically walk with the marchers, he wanted to be a part of the march himself, actually. >> reporter: but he did not go, and his supporters soon breached the capitol building. hutchinson said chief of staff meadows initially did nothing. >> w
hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall. there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> miss hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there are several times throughout my tenure...
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cassidy hutchinson was in the power center of any west wing. that is the person who knows everything about everything. what do you make of the unwillingness or the -- i mean, i think it looks cowardly, of all these people's superiors, from the pence side, mike pence hasn't come in, has left his deputies to testify. on the west wing side, on the trump side, cassidy has testified, but cipollone won't, even though his deputies have. i mean, what do you make of the cowardice of the most senior staffers on trump's team? >> it's disheartening,righ you know, mark meadows, to redeem himself in the eyes of american history, what he would do is come into the congress and tell us everything that he knew. you know, i -- i think back on the number of people who facilitated this. think of john bolton. that's a name that hasn't come up a lot lately, but john bolton, had he said during the impeachment hearings what we now know to be true, who knows? maybe this president would have been removed from office. but he didn't. instead, he decided he would wait to wr
cassidy hutchinson was in the power center of any west wing. that is the person who knows everything about everything. what do you make of the unwillingness or the -- i mean, i think it looks cowardly, of all these people's superiors, from the pence side, mike pence hasn't come in, has left his deputies to testify. on the west wing side, on the trump side, cassidy has testified, but cipollone won't, even though his deputies have. i mean, what do you make of the cowardice of the most senior...
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hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet? >> as a staffer that works to always represent the administration to the best of my ability and to showcase the good things he had done for the country, i remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and really, it felt personal. it was really sad. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic, it was unamerican. we were watching the capitol children get defaced over a lie. >> with me now, "washington post" associate editor bob woodward, senior political analyst carl bernstein, and the man they once chronicled former white house nixon counsel, john dean. bob woodward, we should note, is the more recent author of "peril," carl bernstein the author of "chasing history," and together they wrote "the president's men." i hear those amazon links clicking from right now where i sit. bob, let me start with you. much of the former president's time in the white house, donald trump's, was about, in some ways, it seems, provoking violence. was this the first time you've heard through testimon
hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet? >> as a staffer that works to always represent the administration to the best of my ability and to showcase the good things he had done for the country, i remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and really, it felt personal. it was really sad. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic, it was unamerican. we were watching the capitol children get defaced over a lie. >> with me now, "washington post"...
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ms. hutchinson. when you return to the white house in the motorcade after the president's speech, where did you go? when i returned to the white house, i walked up stairs towards the chief of staff's office, and i noticed mister rinaldo lingering outside of the office once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which is just across the hall from mind when i went in he shut the door. i notice bobby angle, who's the head of mr. trump security detail sitting in a chair, looking somewhat discombobulated little last. i looked at tony, he had said, did you ever hear it happened in the beasts? said no, tony, i just got back. what happened tony proceeded to tell me that when the president gotten the beast, he was under the impression from mr. meadows that the off the record movement to the capitol was so possible and likely to happen. but that bobby had more information. so as the president had gotten into the vehicle with bobby, he thought that they were going up to the capital.
ms. hutchinson. when you return to the white house in the motorcade after the president's speech, where did you go? when i returned to the white house, i walked up stairs towards the chief of staff's office, and i noticed mister rinaldo lingering outside of the office once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which is just across the hall from mind when i went in he shut the door. i notice bobby angle, who's the head of mr. trump security detail sitting in a...
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meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> thank you, miss hutchinson. >> thank you, miss hutchinson. and thanks to atone for being with us for this prime time recap of today's january 6th hearing. today we did learn for the first time that white house chief of staff mark meadows, and trump lawyer rudy giuliani reportedly asked for presidential pardons for themselves, which would of course prevent them from being prosecuted for any crimes they committed around the january 6th effort to overthrow the government. that was news today. but even beyond that, even beyond trump trying to prevent the mob of his supporters from being disarmed by the sacred service before they went on the capitol, after he learned about the number and type of weapons they were carrying, and him demanding to go himself to the capital building, with the mob. that is implicating the trump white house and the white house counsel's office called, every crime imaginable. beyond his chief of staff and top lawyer believing they needed pardons to protect themselves from criminal prosecution after these events, even aft
meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> thank you, miss hutchinson. >> thank you, miss hutchinson. and thanks to atone for being with us for this prime time recap of today's january 6th hearing. today we did learn for the first time that white house chief of staff mark meadows, and trump lawyer rudy giuliani reportedly asked for presidential pardons for themselves, which would of course prevent them from being prosecuted for any crimes they committed around the january 6th...
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they say it's different than what hutchinson said. they also said those agents never told her that story. meanwhile, the committee standing by hutchinson as a witness said she's credible. the fact she was willing to testify under oath demonstrates that level of credibility. a source connected to the committee telling me on background of the committees always welcome to hear from anyone who has information that would help with their investigation. >> thank you very much sir, appreciated. former counsel john dean and former assistant watergate prosecutor nick ackerman. good evening. john, let's start with you, you told me last night that the committee surprise hearing had to deliver a star witness like alex butterfield who testified about the secret taping system during watergate or cancel. did cassidy hutchinson meet that very high standard? >> she did meet it. in fact, she did better than butterfield. all butterfield could tell us was there was a taping system and it would take a long time to get those tapes so there is no satisfactio
they say it's different than what hutchinson said. they also said those agents never told her that story. meanwhile, the committee standing by hutchinson as a witness said she's credible. the fact she was willing to testify under oath demonstrates that level of credibility. a source connected to the committee telling me on background of the committees always welcome to hear from anyone who has information that would help with their investigation. >> thank you very much sir, appreciated....
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questioning hutchinson's credibility. trump himself clearly watching the hearing, claimed, quote, i hardly know who this person cassidy hutchinson is. but privately, republican leaders expressed real concerns. one senior republican member of congress telling cnn the testimony could, quote, lead to indictments. trump's former chief of staff, mick mulvaney, rushing to hutchinson's defense, saying, quote, i know her. i don't think she is lying. so it's clear that the committee would like to speak with pat cipollone, the former white house counsel, but it is not exactly clear how they plan to compel him to cooperate. at this point, they're making it a very public showing of the fact that they would like him to do so voluntarily. the question is, do they put some legal weight behind it and formally issue him a subpoena? that could be complicated because as white house counsel, there are privilege issues involved in it. at this point, they're trying to work out those issues to find a way to set cipollone to tell the committee w
questioning hutchinson's credibility. trump himself clearly watching the hearing, claimed, quote, i hardly know who this person cassidy hutchinson is. but privately, republican leaders expressed real concerns. one senior republican member of congress telling cnn the testimony could, quote, lead to indictments. trump's former chief of staff, mick mulvaney, rushing to hutchinson's defense, saying, quote, i know her. i don't think she is lying. so it's clear that the committee would like to speak...
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miss hutchinson, when you miss hutchinson, when you return to the white house in the motorcade, after the president's speech, where did you go? >> when i return to the white house, i walked upstairs towards the chief of staff's office, and i noticed mr. ornato lingering outside of the office. once we make eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which was just across the hall from mine. when i went in, he shut the door. i noticed bobby angle, who was the head of that mr. trump security detail, sitting in a chair, looking somewhat discombobulated and lost. i looked at tony and he had said, did you hear what happened? i said, no, tony, i just got back. what happened? tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the beast, he was under the impression from mr. meadows that the off record movement to the capital was still possible, and likely to happen, but that robbie had more information. so, once the president had gotten into the vehicle with bobby, he thought they were going up to the capitol, and when bobby had relate to him, we are not, we don't have the as
miss hutchinson, when you miss hutchinson, when you return to the white house in the motorcade, after the president's speech, where did you go? >> when i return to the white house, i walked upstairs towards the chief of staff's office, and i noticed mr. ornato lingering outside of the office. once we make eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which was just across the hall from mine. when i went in, he shut the door. i noticed bobby angle, who was the head of that mr....
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hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday. and this evening hutchinson's testimony about senior trump staffers expressing fears that they might end in violence has the january 6th committee looking to speak to a new potential key witness. the then white house counsel who according to hutchinson warned, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen peter alexander now with late details. >> reporter: first cassidy hutchinson's explosive testimony, now the fallout. the committee tonight issuing a subpoena for former white house counsel pa cipollone after hutchinson detailed cipollone's effort to reject mr. trump's original plan to join hi supporters as they converged on the capitol. >> mr. cipollone said somethin to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to capitol, cassidy keep in touch with me, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen >> reporter: hutchinson, 25-year-old former aide to chief of staff mark meadows also testified she hea
hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday. and this evening hutchinson's testimony about senior trump staffers expressing fears that they might end in violence has the january 6th committee looking to speak to a new potential key witness. the then white house counsel who according to hutchinson warned, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen peter alexander now with late details. >> reporter: first cassidy hutchinson's...
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if he credits cassidy hutchinson, good. if he discredits her, good, because frankly, you know, if you are trying to find out the truth you just want more information and he's obviously a critical person. he has no history of lying under oath, that certainly i'm aware of. so, you know, he is someone they should -- they should want to talk to. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks so much for coming? >> okay, guys. >>> decisions are expected as early as today as the supreme court weighs the two final and major cases on the docket. the court also prepares to welcome judge ketanji brown jackson this afternoon after justice breyer announced plans to step down today at noon. cnn's jessica schneider joining us with more. so it could kind of all wrap up today. >> reporter: it definitely will, brianna. we've been waiting for this, the final day of this momentous term. we have two opinions left and those could have far-reaching impacts. first off, the court could rule on the epa's authority to regulate carbon emissions from the epa has broad aut
if he credits cassidy hutchinson, good. if he discredits her, good, because frankly, you know, if you are trying to find out the truth you just want more information and he's obviously a critical person. he has no history of lying under oath, that certainly i'm aware of. so, you know, he is someone they should -- they should want to talk to. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks so much for coming? >> okay, guys. >>> decisions are expected as early as today as the supreme court weighs...
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today, hutchinson's lawyer told msnbc that she stands by her account. but whether or not trump did throw a fit over not being driven to the capital is actually largely beside the point compared to her testimony that donald trump desperately wanted to march and lead a mob that he knew was armed to the capitol. joining us now is the california congresswoman and member of the january six committee. thank you for being with us this evening. cassidy hutchison is standing by her testimony as sources were close to the secret service claim that ornato and bobby engle, the secret service agent who trump allegedly lunged at, who testified under oath that what hutchison testified about did not happen. what do you make of those claims, and the effort to cast doubt on cassidy hutchinson's testimony? >> her testimony under oath wasn't about what happened, because she wasn't there. it was that mr. ornado told her that. and that mr. engle was president and -- present and didn't deny it. they will see if they want to come under oath and deny, it fine. the real point is,
today, hutchinson's lawyer told msnbc that she stands by her account. but whether or not trump did throw a fit over not being driven to the capital is actually largely beside the point compared to her testimony that donald trump desperately wanted to march and lead a mob that he knew was armed to the capitol. joining us now is the california congresswoman and member of the january six committee. thank you for being with us this evening. cassidy hutchison is standing by her testimony as sources...