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attorney john eastman sought the protection of the federal courts in california, where he lives in his attempt to refuse to hand over emails, subpoenaed by the january six committee. judge carter will move against john eastman against or early this year, finding in of march, quote, that it is more likely than not that president trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the joint session of congress on january 6th, 2021. and today, the judge takes that point much further! in today's decision, judge carter had to consider whether the evidence of criminal conduct was strong enough to overturn the attorney-client privilege that would normally protect john eastman's emails with or about his client, donald trump. judge carter found that several of the emails are subject to the crime, fraud exception. the attorney client privilege, and must be turned over to the committee. they must show that donald trump was told that the voter fraud numbers that donald trump and his lawyers used in a state lawsuit in georgia, we are wrong! judge carter explains what happens next. president trump and his attorne
attorney john eastman sought the protection of the federal courts in california, where he lives in his attempt to refuse to hand over emails, subpoenaed by the january six committee. judge carter will move against john eastman against or early this year, finding in of march, quote, that it is more likely than not that president trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the joint session of congress on january 6th, 2021. and today, the judge takes that point much further! in today's decision, judge...
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that is the attorney, john eastman. they report that a federal judge rejected his request to reconsider an order. required him to hand over multiple documents the committee. he is expected to appeal that decision. new leaked audio was obtained and documented. it was provided to political. that shows eastman speaking to an election integrity network summit. he appears to tell republican poll workers in new mexico how to step-by-step assemble evidence that could be used to challenge future elections. take a listen to this. >> document what you've seen. raise the challenge. look at the election board to accept your challenge. get it written down. this is the affidavit of a court challenge. >> we are told at audios from october 19th. that is very recent. we have not verify that audio. however, political reports that eastman, through his attorney, he'd aligned comment. charles, what do you make of this legal trial? he seems to be setting it for the next election fight. he is central to the investigations in the plot to overt
that is the attorney, john eastman. they report that a federal judge rejected his request to reconsider an order. required him to hand over multiple documents the committee. he is expected to appeal that decision. new leaked audio was obtained and documented. it was provided to political. that shows eastman speaking to an election integrity network summit. he appears to tell republican poll workers in new mexico how to step-by-step assemble evidence that could be used to challenge future...
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citing that, a federal judge in california has ordered john eastman to hand over additional emails to the january 6th committee. judge david carter determined that 33 emails contained possible evidence of criminal behavior, writing in part, the email showed that president trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers in court and to the public. four of those emails according to judge carter demonstrated an effort by president trump and his attorneys to press false claims in federal court for the purpose of delaying the january 6th vote. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and "new york times" congressional reporter luke broadwalter. let's talk about one of the emails between john eastman who was representing trump legally and president trump, regarding the voter fraud claims in fulton county. describe this back and forth and what the judge saw in it. >> right, this is one of most revealing emails that the judge released yesterday. it included a sentence from john eastman in which he had been going throug
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this is likely criminal activity between the former president and john eastman. the judge did mandate the release of other emails because of this, because of possible evidence of a crime. these latest emails, eight in all, will be handed over to the committee but perhaps more crucially, john, this could add more evidence to the ongoing probes happening in georgia from the district attorney's office as well as the department of justice that has this ongoing probe of all things january 6th as well. this shows that trump knowingly lied to a court, which could prove grounds for some criminal charges if the law enforcement entities choose to go that route, which who knows if they will. >> this judge leaning into the idea of crime fraud exception, meaning there's no attorney/client privilege if you're discussing a crime. in theory that also applies to executive privilege. in theory it applies to what so much of donald trump and his legal team and advisers have tried to assert when they keep their communications private here. how much of a can of worms does this open up
this is likely criminal activity between the former president and john eastman. the judge did mandate the release of other emails because of this, because of possible evidence of a crime. these latest emails, eight in all, will be handed over to the committee but perhaps more crucially, john, this could add more evidence to the ongoing probes happening in georgia from the district attorney's office as well as the department of justice that has this ongoing probe of all things january 6th as...
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there, he said that former president trump and john eastman had undertaken this really extraordinary plan to try and overturn a valid election, i am paraphrasing of course. then, last week, again, we have another really important ruling from judge carter where it is clearly the case that typically if you are advising someone, acting as the legal counsel, then emails that you receive or send, they refer to the issue where you are providing them with legal advice they would be covered under either the attorney client privilege or the attorney were client privilege. except if you for instance chart to obtain advice in order to commit a crime. that's what judge carter said here is more likely than not. he found that both with respect to a verification that the former president had signed in court that said, yes, i think that there were more than 15,000 votes that should not have been cast, judge carter said there is no way you could think that. there is even more evidence here in the case that those were not correct numbers. he also found evidence that the former president was following
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john eastman and donald trump are in trouble. more of those emails about potentially criminal conduct are headed to the january 6th committee, just as the january 6th committee plans to issue a subpoena to trump, quote, soon. the decision also had significant consequences for the ongoing investigation by fulton county, georgia, district attorney fani willis. and the justice department into trump's election schemes, and his involvement in january 6th. in other words, buckle up. joining us now is neil koch, former u.s. acting solicitor general during the obama administration, and current professor of law at georgetown university. no better tough person to talk to get all of this. thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> and so how meaningful is this? we are now old enough to remember the number of times that donald trump has lied publicly. how meaningful is it that he is apparently lying in federal court? >> >> >> this is a really big deal, alex, you said buckle up, and i think that's exactly right. what hap
john eastman and donald trump are in trouble. more of those emails about potentially criminal conduct are headed to the january 6th committee, just as the january 6th committee plans to issue a subpoena to trump, quote, soon. the decision also had significant consequences for the ongoing investigation by fulton county, georgia, district attorney fani willis. and the justice department into trump's election schemes, and his involvement in january 6th. in other words, buckle up. joining us now is...
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so john eastman and donald trump are in trouble. more of those e-mails about potentially criminal conduct are headed to the january 6 committee just as the january 6 committee plans to issue a subpoena to trump, quote, soon. the decision also has significant consequences for the on going investigations by fulton county, georgia, district attorney willis and the justice department into trump's election schemes. in other words, buckle up. joining us now is neil catia, acting solicitor general and professor of law at georgetown university. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> so how meaningful -- we are now old enough to remember the number of times that donald trump has lied publicly. but how meaningful is it that he is apparently lying in federal court? >> this is a really big deal, alex. you said buckle up. i think that's right. this is not -- what happened today is not like the january 6 committee or bunch of democrats or something who saying, hey, i found something in an e-mail. this is a highly respected
so john eastman and donald trump are in trouble. more of those e-mails about potentially criminal conduct are headed to the january 6 committee just as the january 6 committee plans to issue a subpoena to trump, quote, soon. the decision also has significant consequences for the on going investigations by fulton county, georgia, district attorney willis and the justice department into trump's election schemes. in other words, buckle up. joining us now is neil catia, acting solicitor general and...
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it's more bad news for john eastman, this lawyer. he was searched by the fbi in july of 2022, and he has taken the fifth amendment twice, once in front of the committee and once in front of the fulton county georgia prosecutor. >> it could matter in the georgia investigation, it matters in the doj investigation of january 6th. state of mind matters so much in all this. >> exactly. >> separately from this, there's reporting that in the mar-a-lago documents case, the trump team is now considering, not that it's totally up to them, but allowing department of justice investigators to come see if there are documents still at mar-a-lago. >> maybe try and try again. let's go through the history. back in january, the trump team turned over 15 boxes of documents to archives. then doj realized there's more. they served a subpoena in may and june. trump's team said here's what you have in response to the subpoena, that's all the classified documents. that turned out not to be true. in august doj went and did the search warrant. what options doe
it's more bad news for john eastman, this lawyer. he was searched by the fbi in july of 2022, and he has taken the fifth amendment twice, once in front of the committee and once in front of the fulton county georgia prosecutor. >> it could matter in the georgia investigation, it matters in the doj investigation of january 6th. state of mind matters so much in all this. >> exactly. >> separately from this, there's reporting that in the mar-a-lago documents case, the trump team...
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this is all coming out now because of emails from attorney john eastman. he worked with trump and his allies to push the false claims of election fraud. the judge is saying eight new documents must be released from eastman to the jan 6th committee because they contain crimes. conspiracy to defraud the united states and the judge points to emails from eastman and trump's team where eastman points out that the numbers of alleged fraud that they presented to both a state and federal court were wrong yet trump knew those numbers were wrong and he signed off on the court filings anyway. judge david carter writing this saying the emails show that president trump knew the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to taut those numbers both in court and to the public. the court finds that these emails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the united states. the judge is also saying in this opinion that the former president may have committed obstruction since all of these lawsuits were filed not to get legit legal
this is all coming out now because of emails from attorney john eastman. he worked with trump and his allies to push the false claims of election fraud. the judge is saying eight new documents must be released from eastman to the jan 6th committee because they contain crimes. conspiracy to defraud the united states and the judge points to emails from eastman and trump's team where eastman points out that the numbers of alleged fraud that they presented to both a state and federal court were...
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we also just heard it now from a judge of california that said john eastman, no crime/fraud exception, meaning we think you as a lawyer were involved in a criminal conspiracy and that's why we're not going to protect any of these documents from the january 6th committee. . one last point, even as we think about the fake electors, which is all a separate set of accounts, donald trump in the middle of that, and it is john eastman who helps put him directly in the middle of it. participating, knowing, being told by john eastman saying you can't do this, it is not legal in front of donald trump. so what we have here is essentially a document that says the american public, we may not be able to do anything about this as the january 6th committee in terms of criminal prosecution. but we're going to make sure everyone knows that if it wasn't donald trump, there would be a grand jury process right now. >> yeah. and when you describe it that way. road map, draft, indictment, summary, real indictment is going to have more detail, more flesh on it, that goes to something that's previewed. we did
we also just heard it now from a judge of california that said john eastman, no crime/fraud exception, meaning we think you as a lawyer were involved in a criminal conspiracy and that's why we're not going to protect any of these documents from the january 6th committee. . one last point, even as we think about the fake electors, which is all a separate set of accounts, donald trump in the middle of that, and it is john eastman who helps put him directly in the middle of it. participating,...
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john eastman, called her and asked to arrange for the fake electors to meet and rehearse the process of casting fake votes. >> when i received a call, again i don't remember the exact date, it was from the white house switch board and it was president trump who had contacted me. >> and did president trump have any one else on the line with him? >> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman, so i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a professor and then essentially he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. >> those fake electors were ultimately part of the president's plan to replace genuine biden electors with trump electors on january 6th. as part of this plan, the false electoral slates were sent to the national archives and to the capitol. the fake electors' plan was also tied to another plan, the coercive pressure campaign to make vice president mike pence reject
john eastman, called her and asked to arrange for the fake electors to meet and rehearse the process of casting fake votes. >> when i received a call, again i don't remember the exact date, it was from the white house switch board and it was president trump who had contacted me. >> and did president trump have any one else on the line with him? >> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman, so i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a professor and then...
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that's john eastman's behavior here. he's a central character to the big lie, to everything donald trump and his allies tried to do after the 2020 election. it was his idea to set the fake elector scheme, states put alternate electors to the congress that would allow mike pence to throw that out and therefore keep trump in office. we know eastman was sending e-mails, guys, we might have broken the law, and potentially wondering if he might need a pardon. he's someone who in the thick of things, heidi, this is terrific reporting, and obviously suggests this reiterates how the big lie is going to be with us, and talk to us a little bit about what you're seeing. speak more broadly about not just eastman's actions here, but how this is part of what the republican ethos is now, and we're seeing up and down the ballot, campaigns already threatening to challenge election results if they don't like them. >> and that is why you could see this potentially even in republican states, like i said, otera county, there was no reason fo
that's john eastman's behavior here. he's a central character to the big lie, to everything donald trump and his allies tried to do after the 2020 election. it was his idea to set the fake elector scheme, states put alternate electors to the congress that would allow mike pence to throw that out and therefore keep trump in office. we know eastman was sending e-mails, guys, we might have broken the law, and potentially wondering if he might need a pardon. he's someone who in the thick of things,...
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. >> here is john eastman, fraudulently instructing tens of thousands of angry protestors that the vice president could change the election outcome on january 6th. later on this same day, dr. east mawnl acknowledged in writing that donald trump knew with what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> president trump authorize you to discuss publicly your january 4th, 2021 conversation with him? >> yes. >> so is it your position you can discuss an immediate direct conversation you had with the president of the united states but you will not discuss those same conversations with this committee? >> fifth. >> here is jeff clark. who conspired with donald trump to corrupt the department of justice. president trump wanted to appoint jeff clark as acting attorney general and as you can see from this call log we obtained from the national ash ciefs he did so. and here is mr. clark testifying before our committee. >> mr. clark when did you first talk directly with president trump? >> fifth. >> mr. clark did you discuss with president trump allegation
. >> here is john eastman, fraudulently instructing tens of thousands of angry protestors that the vice president could change the election outcome on january 6th. later on this same day, dr. east mawnl acknowledged in writing that donald trump knew with what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> president trump authorize you to discuss publicly your january 4th, 2021 conversation with him? >> yes. >> so is it your...
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>> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman. i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a -- and he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who preceded to talk about the importance of the helping the campaign gather electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result. >> the electors were part of the president plans to replace biden electors with trump electors on january 6. a false electoral -- were sent to the national archive into the capital. the make electors plan with type two, the plan, the co-verse of pressure campaign to make vice president mike pence reject or refuse certain electoral votes, so that president donald trump would win the election. there is what the vice president said about this scheme. >> president trump trump set i have the right to overturn the election. president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. there is no idea more un-american than the notion that anyone person could c
>> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman. i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a -- and he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who preceded to talk about the importance of the helping the campaign gather electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result. >> the electors were part of the president plans to replace biden electors with trump electors on january 6. a false electoral -- were sent to the national archive into the...
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>> it will be good, even if it did not happen, john eastman was proposing cannot happen. critics even if it does happen you think there is one for dispute on that? >> i think -- if it does happen and there is more work to be done to protect our elections from the attempts to undermine them. in other words that is one specific far-fetched threat. the one we saw in 2020. it did not get anywhere for a reason. it is when we need to be preparing for it. there are many other ways that people are seeking to attack our democracy. i think congress needs to do more than past electoral count tax reform. we were pushing congress very hard to pass the john lewis voting rights act and freedom to vote act which began on law. john lewis for devote act, the dash cam very close. it did not get across the finish line because the filibuster. i thinks that what congress needs to do to fix our problems. maybe not all of them. that would be alive. -- a lie. >> just to be clear. the gist of the electoral vote act would be to make clear the vice president does not have the power to come in and sa
>> it will be good, even if it did not happen, john eastman was proposing cannot happen. critics even if it does happen you think there is one for dispute on that? >> i think -- if it does happen and there is more work to be done to protect our elections from the attempts to undermine them. in other words that is one specific far-fetched threat. the one we saw in 2020. it did not get anywhere for a reason. it is when we need to be preparing for it. there are many other ways that...
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john eastman's own e-mails, right? this is one of trump's closest advisors. the architect of the fraudulent electors' plan himself acknowledging these numbers aren't right. and trump shouldn't be using the numbers. and so for those people who would criticize the house select committee as being partisan or not evenly balanced or not giving, you know, time for opposing views or cross-examination or what have you, the various criticisms that there have been, here is other independent evidence in the form of john eastman's e-mails that corroborate all the things you were talking about. trump knew he lost the election and didn't matter. his strategy was say win and then just keep on telling the lies. >> does it mean the committee will get hands on the e-mails? >> yes, there is 33 documents they'll get. according to the judge, four of them get our piercing the crime fraud exception. specifically about using lawsuits not for actual reasons. but to try to delay and obstruct the certification of the election. i think that is the other key point in the judge's decision
john eastman's own e-mails, right? this is one of trump's closest advisors. the architect of the fraudulent electors' plan himself acknowledging these numbers aren't right. and trump shouldn't be using the numbers. and so for those people who would criticize the house select committee as being partisan or not evenly balanced or not giving, you know, time for opposing views or cross-examination or what have you, the various criticisms that there have been, here is other independent evidence in...
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they are investigating the actions of john eastman. we expect that some of those investigations obviously are in the quiet period because of the midterm elections but come right after the elections, we expect a lot of activity to pick up both on this part of the investigation as well as jeffrey clark who was also involved in this effort to keep former president trump in power despite the fact that he lost the election. >> this is a major development. stand by. i want to bring you in and bring in cnn legal analyst former new york city prosecutor paul calen and jessica schneider. paul, how big of a deal do you think this is? >> oh, i think this is a very big deal, wolf, because it demonstrates that there is at least in the opinion of this federal judge a makeable federal criminal case against the former president. this obstruction charge by the way is a very serious charge. it's a conspiracy to obstruct governmental administration to obstruct administration of the united states electoral process. it could be punishable by ten years in pr
they are investigating the actions of john eastman. we expect that some of those investigations obviously are in the quiet period because of the midterm elections but come right after the elections, we expect a lot of activity to pick up both on this part of the investigation as well as jeffrey clark who was also involved in this effort to keep former president trump in power despite the fact that he lost the election. >> this is a major development. stand by. i want to bring you in and...
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>> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman though i vaguely remember him mentioning him he was a professor and he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about importance of helping the campaign gathering contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. >> these fake electors were ultimately part of the president's plan to replace genuine biden electors with trump electors on january 6. as part of this plan the false electoral slates were sent to the national archives and the capital. the plan was also tied to another plan. the coercive pressure campaign to make vice president mike pence reject or refuse to count certain biden electoral votes so president trump would quote win reelection instead. here is what vice president pence had said about this scheme. >> president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. frankly there is no ide
>> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman though i vaguely remember him mentioning him he was a professor and he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about importance of helping the campaign gathering contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. >> these fake electors were ultimately part of the president's plan to replace genuine biden electors with trump electors on january...
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>> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman. so, i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a professor and then essentially, he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors, in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing change the result of any of the dates. >> these fake electors were ultimately part of the presidents plan to replace genuine biden electors with trump electors on january 6th. as part of this plan, the false electoral slates were sent to the national archives and to the capitol. the fix electors plan was also tied to another plan, the coercive pressure campaign to make vice president, mike pence, reject or refuse to count certain biden electoral votes, so that president donald trump would, quote, win reelection instead. here is what vice president pence has said about the statement. >> president trump said i have the right to overturn the election. but president trump is wrong. i had no right to ov
>> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman. so, i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a professor and then essentially, he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors, in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing change the result of any of the dates. >> these fake electors were ultimately part of the presidents plan to replace genuine biden electors...
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then, why a federal court is calling john eastman's emails potential evidence of a conspiracy to defraud the united states. >> i only need 11,000 votes. i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> and today's trump deposition in a definition lawsuit stemming from rape allegations. >> then, i would >> i would take the life of a mother with exceptions. >> there are live exceptions for the life of the mother. >> a horrifying reality of what is becoming a republican talking point on abortion. a new depth of despair and deception from new reporting on the desantis migrant stunt. when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. you know, there is not a lot that american presidents can do to control gas prices, even though their political fate often depends on whether the going up and down. if you have one trick obviously. there is an enormous stockpile of actual barrels of oil on the coastlines of louisiana and texas, where hundreds of millions of barrels or stored underground. it's known as the strategic petroleum reserves. a lot of people of heard that a some accoun
then, why a federal court is calling john eastman's emails potential evidence of a conspiracy to defraud the united states. >> i only need 11,000 votes. i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> and today's trump deposition in a definition lawsuit stemming from rape allegations. >> then, i would >> i would take the life of a mother with exceptions. >> there are live exceptions for the life of the mother. >> a horrifying reality of what is becoming a republican...
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judge carter is the one who, in what was essentially an indictment of john eastman, filed in federal court, a judge agreed that it was more likely than not that donald trump and john eastman committed felonies in his ruling. let me read from the ruling that came down an hour ago. r ago. >> does this force the justice department's hands to investigate trump as part of the conspiracy? >> investigate, yes. indict, no. but they were already doing this. so a couple of charges that have been on the table, one is defraud the united states, one is obstruction. they both come from these sorts of schemes where he's just trying to hoodwink or lie his way, you know, to the presidency. what the evidence that you put out in the beginning, though, nicole, points towards the brass ring here that the committee will have to decide, do they refer him for seditious conspiracy? because once you know about the violence, and you encourage the violence, now you're in this most serious statutory scheme where you're trying to promote insurrection. that's the big conspiracy. any charge against trump, whether i
judge carter is the one who, in what was essentially an indictment of john eastman, filed in federal court, a judge agreed that it was more likely than not that donald trump and john eastman committed felonies in his ruling. let me read from the ruling that came down an hour ago. r ago. >> does this force the justice department's hands to investigate trump as part of the conspiracy? >> investigate, yes. indict, no. but they were already doing this. so a couple of charges that have...
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john eastman's election attorney should not be able to keep those confidential any longer. what the judge writes here is he's saying that hthese eight emails, they speak to possible crimes. one email regarding part of a case that was going in georgia that the trump lawyers were filing looking at potentially taking it to the supreme court, he writes, this email read in context with other documents in this review make clear that president trump filed certain lawsuits not to obtain legal relief, but to disrupt or delay the january 6th congressional proceedings through the courts. the court finds that these four documents are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of obstruction. he not only highlights obstruction of this crime these emails could support, but also believes these could support a case of fraud. >> we're also getting this just in to cnn that the former president donald trump is preparing for that suspected subpoena from the january 6th committee. what are you learning about that? >> reporter: right, so we have a new lawyer added to donald trump's legal team. m
john eastman's election attorney should not be able to keep those confidential any longer. what the judge writes here is he's saying that hthese eight emails, they speak to possible crimes. one email regarding part of a case that was going in georgia that the trump lawyers were filing looking at potentially taking it to the supreme court, he writes, this email read in context with other documents in this review make clear that president trump filed certain lawsuits not to obtain legal relief,...
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we have seen, you know, mike flynn, john eastman, jeffrey clark go in and plead the fifth. that is not their goal. there's going to be a legal dance. there's going to be negotiating that's probably not negotiating. there may be some legal maneuvering. but it's all to buy time. they know the committee has an end date. and they're going to try to run out the clock. >> you know, on the subject of january 6 and the committee, paul, a federal judge is ordering the release of emails from john eastman, one of trump's former lawyers to the january 6th committee. and the judge said that these materials could be released because they fit into the so-called crime fraud exception. how high is the bar for that? >> well, it is a high bar, john. the crime fraud exception really pierces what is considered to be one of the most sacred things in the practice of law and that is the attorney/client privilege. you sit down with your lawyer, you community with your lawyer. that's always considered confco confi confidential. but there's one exception if the lawyer and client are conspireing to co
we have seen, you know, mike flynn, john eastman, jeffrey clark go in and plead the fifth. that is not their goal. there's going to be a legal dance. there's going to be negotiating that's probably not negotiating. there may be some legal maneuvering. but it's all to buy time. they know the committee has an end date. and they're going to try to run out the clock. >> you know, on the subject of january 6 and the committee, paul, a federal judge is ordering the release of emails from john...
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john eastman said he knows the statement is false, yet trump signed it anyway. that is just one piece of the larger case that you would show of his intent to defraud, but they would love to have that email to demonstrate to a fact-finder that donald trump absolutely knew what he was doing was false and he did it anyway to serve his own purposes. >> let me ask about the subpoena real quick before we lose you for time. so we have become could you still during his four-year presidency of people doing this thing called blowing off subpoenas and just pretending they don't have to follow them and subpoenas don't matter if you're maga. can trump evade the subpoena that the january 6th committee is going to drop? >> well, i'm sure you read he's going to try. he certainly has potential privileges he could assert from executive privilege to fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination. but you can't just not show up, blow it off. you're supposed to show up and assert privilege so a judge can decide whether it's privileged and direct you to answer the question. ult
john eastman said he knows the statement is false, yet trump signed it anyway. that is just one piece of the larger case that you would show of his intent to defraud, but they would love to have that email to demonstrate to a fact-finder that donald trump absolutely knew what he was doing was false and he did it anyway to serve his own purposes. >> let me ask about the subpoena real quick before we lose you for time. so we have become could you still during his four-year presidency of...
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what the judge has done here is he has said that eight new documents from john eastman must be revealed to the committee because those contain evidence of two crimes. c conspiracy to defraud the united states as well as obstruction. the judge is pointing out these e-mails between eastman and trumps team, they have pointed out the numbers of wrong voters, invalid voters, that trump and his team pushed to a state court and a federal court were wrong. the judge is pointing out trump knew those were wrong, yet he signed off on them putting them into court documents. the judge said the e-mails show that president trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers both in court and to the public. the court finds that these e-mails are sufficiently related to and in the furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the united states. the judge said these e-mails show felony obstruction and said the president filed lawsuits not to obtain legal relief, but to disrupt or delay the proceedings through the courts. the court finds these documents are sufficie
what the judge has done here is he has said that eight new documents from john eastman must be revealed to the committee because those contain evidence of two crimes. c conspiracy to defraud the united states as well as obstruction. the judge is pointing out these e-mails between eastman and trumps team, they have pointed out the numbers of wrong voters, invalid voters, that trump and his team pushed to a state court and a federal court were wrong. the judge is pointing out trump knew those...
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because there are emails written by former trump attorney john eastman that have never been seen publicly. the judge says, quote, these emails are sufficiently related to a conspiracy to defraud the united states. our cnn reporters are out front on both these developments. evan perez is following the eastman ruling. i want to start with the second search of mar-a-lago. take us back and say, because they think after all this, he is still hiding documents? >> that's right. the department. justice has indicated both in court filings and in private discussions with trump's team that they believe there are still some of these documents that belong to the government at mar-a-lago. so now what we have learned is that trump's team is weighing their options when it comes to the department of justice and these presidential records. they're looking at not only how to best protect trump from legal jeopardy but also, how to alleviate some of the pressure on the former government among these growing number of legal battles that he's facing. one of the ways they are looking it a. one of the options they
because there are emails written by former trump attorney john eastman that have never been seen publicly. the judge says, quote, these emails are sufficiently related to a conspiracy to defraud the united states. our cnn reporters are out front on both these developments. evan perez is following the eastman ruling. i want to start with the second search of mar-a-lago. take us back and say, because they think after all this, he is still hiding documents? >> that's right. the department....
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>> this is what donald trump and his lawyer john eastman we're asking pennsylvania in wisconsin to do in the 2020 election, just send in your fake ballot. that is the issue version. there are less extreme versions than that, but who knows, this has no trial basis. the supreme court could raise any version of this that they want. >> are you alarmed that this is already made in this far up the judicial process. this was a friend theory to people dismissed even when it was presented in some form by john eastman. folks out there were looking at it like it was bonkers. now, it's actually a case working its way to the supreme court. >> that's right, there is no -- to support this. there are underground think tank laps that have cooked us up, but it's rooted in a opinion, bush v. gore, they got three votes. there's no place to appeal this, and it does not matter. as you said, you have millions and millions of dollars poured into amicus brief, trying to take the position that this is well founded, it goes back to the founding, and all the scholarship on the other side says, this is crazy. >>
>> this is what donald trump and his lawyer john eastman we're asking pennsylvania in wisconsin to do in the 2020 election, just send in your fake ballot. that is the issue version. there are less extreme versions than that, but who knows, this has no trial basis. the supreme court could raise any version of this that they want. >> are you alarmed that this is already made in this far up the judicial process. this was a friend theory to people dismissed even when it was presented in...
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we just got that news a day or two ago about the john eastman email, jeff carter saying in some of the emails, it was clear that the former president was made aware by eastman and others that the numbers that he was alleging were fraudulent votes in georgia, that he knew those numbers were wrong, that he went ahead and not just continued to talk about them any way, but he was also out there putting his name under oath in a legal filing as they were trying to pursue legal remedies in georgia after the election. so as we start to see how these puzzle pieces and the investigatory pieces fit together, that is just one of the things that struck me, the fact that this committee is still being nimble in realtime with what they know and evidence that is still coming in to bolster it, and we're seeing it reflected in this latest letter to the former president. >> and we want to go back to barb on that if we could, because i feel like that is kind of part of building this case towards intent. we have talked repeatedly about how they can build the case of intent. was it the former president's int
we just got that news a day or two ago about the john eastman email, jeff carter saying in some of the emails, it was clear that the former president was made aware by eastman and others that the numbers that he was alleging were fraudulent votes in georgia, that he knew those numbers were wrong, that he went ahead and not just continued to talk about them any way, but he was also out there putting his name under oath in a legal filing as they were trying to pursue legal remedies in georgia...
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>> this is what donald trump and his lawyer john eastman we're asking pennsylvania in wisconsin to do in the 2020 election, just send in your fake ballot. that is the issue version. there are less extreme versions than that, but who knows, this has no trial basis. the supreme court could raise any version of this that they want. >> are you alarmed that this is already made in this far up the judicial process. this was a friend theory to people dismissed even when it was presented in some form by john eastman. folks out there were looking at it like it was bonkers. now, it's actually a case working its way to the supreme court. >> that's right, there is no -- to support this. there are underground think tank laps that have cooked us up, but it's rooted in a opinion, bush v. gore, they got three votes. there's no place to appeal this, and it does not matter. as you said, you have millions and millions of dollars poured into amicus brief, trying to take the position that this is well founded, it goes back to the founding, and all the scholarship on the other side says, this is crazy. >>
>> this is what donald trump and his lawyer john eastman we're asking pennsylvania in wisconsin to do in the 2020 election, just send in your fake ballot. that is the issue version. there are less extreme versions than that, but who knows, this has no trial basis. the supreme court could raise any version of this that they want. >> are you alarmed that this is already made in this far up the judicial process. this was a friend theory to people dismissed even when it was presented in...
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>> the message john eastman is delivering there is very consistent with what other attorneys are saying. that's helpful watchers are being trained to document everything they can, to write it down. this is going to be used to either mount legal challenges or go into the public opinion and raise concerns about -- what's notable about that quid is not what the statement was, who said it, john eastman, obviously, he worked with trump's team while trying to overturn the 2020 results. >> you mentioned they are being trained, some training. okay. patrick, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate your reporting in the conversation. that's going to do it for me on this election of alex reports. i will see you tomorrow at 2 pm, next saturday at noon eastern. my friend yasmin vossoughian can and use the cover. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! discomfort back there? instead of using aloe, or baby wipes, or powders, try the cooling, soothing relief or preparation h. because your derriere deserves expert care. preparation h. get comfortable with it. when cold symptoms keep you up, try
>> the message john eastman is delivering there is very consistent with what other attorneys are saying. that's helpful watchers are being trained to document everything they can, to write it down. this is going to be used to either mount legal challenges or go into the public opinion and raise concerns about -- what's notable about that quid is not what the statement was, who said it, john eastman, obviously, he worked with trump's team while trying to overturn the 2020 results. >>...
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>> here is john eastman fortunately instructing protesters the vice preside could change the election outcome ojanuary. later, dr. eastman acknowledged in writing thadonald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to discuss publicly january 4, 2021 discussion with him? you could discuss in the media direct conversations you had with the president, but you will not discuss those same discussions with this committee? >> here is mr. clark conspired with donald trump. president trump wanted to appoint jeff clark as acting. as you can see it -- as you can see in this call log, he did so. and here is mr. clark testifying before our committee. >> mr. car, when did you first talk directly with president trump? >> the fifth. >> did you discuss with president trump allegations of fraud? >> fifth. >> other witnesses have gone to a lengths to avoid testifying. has been tried and convicted for contempt of congress. he is scheduled to be sentenced for this crime letter this month. criminal proceedings
>> here is john eastman fortunately instructing protesters the vice preside could change the election outcome ojanuary. later, dr. eastman acknowledged in writing thadonald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to discuss publicly january 4, 2021 discussion with him? you could discuss in the media direct conversations you had with the president, but you will not discuss those same...
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eastman none. judge carter wrote that some emails wrote that trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continue to take those numbers, both in court into the public. so what is the latest ruling the, not to the january six committee who's gonna get that evidence but built by the department of justice. andrew weissmann is working for the department justice, most recently served the prosecutor in robert mueller's prosecution, now law practice at the university of new york law school. he joins me now. when you think of the implications of that judge carter ruling are? >> i think there are several. one, it is worth noting which i usually keep forgetting that there is a federal judge who was found at the former president of the united states is committed a crime, in fact two crimes. >> more likely than not? >> that's right under preponderance standards, that's a lot less and beyond a reasonable doubt. exactly, it is not opinions, this is somebody who's looked at the evidence, wh
eastman none. judge carter wrote that some emails wrote that trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continue to take those numbers, both in court into the public. so what is the latest ruling the, not to the january six committee who's gonna get that evidence but built by the department of justice. andrew weissmann is working for the department justice, most recently served the prosecutor in robert mueller's prosecution, now law practice at the university of new york...
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donald trump continues to say this, and even john eastman who pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed said in an email this morning, mr. president, those emails are bogus. >> politicians do that. it's dangerous, but they do that. he said this in a court document, and there is this paper trail where john eastman is saying, you know, he actually noes now that these numbers are not accurate, so i don't think he should sign off on this again and trump goes ahead and does it anyway. >> it takes us back to the previous conversation we had about republicans believing there's an integrity election question. we wonder why. >>> up next, mike pence and a complicated question. >> mr. pebnce, if donald trump s the presidenential nominee for 2024, will you vote for him? dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not for sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, wo
donald trump continues to say this, and even john eastman who pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed said in an email this morning, mr. president, those emails are bogus. >> politicians do that. it's dangerous, but they do that. he said this in a court document, and there is this paper trail where john eastman is saying, you know, he actually noes now that these numbers are not accurate, so i don't think he should sign off on this again and trump goes ahead and does it anyway. >>...
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. >>> a federal judge said emails from john eastman revealed the president knew voter claim frauds were bogus and continued to press the argument. a judge said he signed legal documents he knew were false. the judge turned it over to the january 6th committee, writing the court finds these are in furtherance of defrauding the united states. president trump filed lawsuits not to obtain legal relief but to disrupt or delay the january 6th proceedings through the court. the court finds the documents are related to or in the furtherance of the obstruction crime. this morning, president biden is heading to pennsylvania in the final stretch of the election season. he will deliver a speech on infrastructure before attending a private fund-raiser for the democratic senate nominee john fetterman. this is the 18th trip to pennsylvania since taking office with his 19th scheduled next week. jeremy diamond is live at the white house. certain types of events the president seems to be doing. >> reporter: that's right. for those tracking president biden's travels, you might be thinking pennsylvania aga
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here is john eastman testifying before our committee. [video clip] >> did president trump authorize you to discuss your january conversation with him? do you have an agreement with the president of the united states that you will not have discussions with this committee? >> plead the fifth. >> here is jeff clark, who conspired to corrupt the department of justice. as you can see on the call log we obtained from the national archives, he did so. here is mr. clark testifying before our committee. [video clip] >> when did you first talk directly with president trump? >> fifth. >> can yo- --did you discuss with president trump allegations of fraud during the january 2020 election? >> fifth. >> witnesses have gone to enormous lengths to avoid testifying. steve bannon has been tried and convicted for contempt of congress. he is scheduled to be sentenced for this crime later this month. criminal proceedings regarding peter navarro continue. and mark meadows, donald trump's formal chief of staff, has refused to testify based upon executive privi
here is john eastman testifying before our committee. [video clip] >> did president trump authorize you to discuss your january conversation with him? do you have an agreement with the president of the united states that you will not have discussions with this committee? >> plead the fifth. >> here is jeff clark, who conspired to corrupt the department of justice. as you can see on the call log we obtained from the national archives, he did so. here is mr. clark testifying...
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here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to discuss publicly on january 4th, 2021, conversation with him? fifth. >> so is it your position you won't discuss a conversation you had with the president of the united states but not with this committee? >> fifth. >> here is jeff clark, who conspired with donald trump to corrupt the department of justice. president trump wanted to appoint jeff clark as acting attorney general, and as you can see in this call log we obtained from the national archive, he did so. and here is mr. clark temping before our committee. >> mr. clark, when did you first talk directly with president trump? >> fifth. >> mr. clark, did you discuss with president trump allegations of fraud in the 2020 election? >> fifth. >> other witnesses have also gone to enormous lengths to avoid testifying about their dealings with donald trump. >> you know, ari, we all have a constitutional right to plead the fifth, and it should never be used against somebody. obviously in making out a case. that said, how ironic that the very peop
here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> did president trump authorize you to discuss publicly on january 4th, 2021, conversation with him? fifth. >> so is it your position you won't discuss a conversation you had with the president of the united states but not with this committee? >> fifth. >> here is jeff clark, who conspired with donald trump to corrupt the department of justice. president trump wanted to appoint jeff clark as acting attorney general,...
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the trump lawyer, john eastman, part of trying to help donald trump steal an election. there's no other way to put it. quoted in politico today talking at a new mexico event saying, document what you've seen, raise the challenge, note those who declined, get it all written down. if you were out there in a state advising a campaign or political party, would you listen to john eastman and cleamitchell at thi point? >> i would tell all the people i had in polling places to document any problems that they see. i mean, the quickest way to dissuade the people that elections are fraudulent is to allow republicans to put poll watchers in polling place and see what evidence they produce. they can't disrupt the process. but allow as many witnesses as anybody wants within the confines of the state law to look at the process. i'm confident from working with election administrators that the safeguards in the system prohibit really stop the types of fraud that the allegations from my fellow republicans are about. so, let them have witnesses in the polling place. >> we watched a viole
the trump lawyer, john eastman, part of trying to help donald trump steal an election. there's no other way to put it. quoted in politico today talking at a new mexico event saying, document what you've seen, raise the challenge, note those who declined, get it all written down. if you were out there in a state advising a campaign or political party, would you listen to john eastman and cleamitchell at thi point? >> i would tell all the people i had in polling places to document any...
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this all does turn on john eastman's emails. and when this judge ordered eastman to turn over more material to the january 6th committee, he revealed in his opinion even more damaging details about trump and his top aides, notably that the former president was made aware that voter fraud numbers he submitted in state and federal court filings were false. and even after he was made aware, he submitted those fake numbers in court anyway. so the judge wrote it this way. he said the emails show that president trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong, but he continues to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public. the court finds that these emails are sufficiently related and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the united states. so that's the first crime that judge carter says was likely committed. the second, he says, was felony obstruction. he said the former president filed all of these lawsuits contesting the election, not to get legit legal relief, but instead specifically with the purpose t
this all does turn on john eastman's emails. and when this judge ordered eastman to turn over more material to the january 6th committee, he revealed in his opinion even more damaging details about trump and his top aides, notably that the former president was made aware that voter fraud numbers he submitted in state and federal court filings were false. and even after he was made aware, he submitted those fake numbers in court anyway. so the judge wrote it this way. he said the emails show...
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john eastman pleads the fifth in front of the district attorney in august. she says to mark meadows listen to clayta. and what does mark meadows do put forward that to the justice department. >> and you have two judges who have said that lindsey graham should go ahead and testify and that his reason for not doing so doesn't add up. then thomas puts in this whole -- but it could go to the full court? there's a headline that just crossed from the "new york times" that prosecutors are pressuring trump aides to testify in the documents case. this would be from the department of justice. specifically they're talking about kash patel and the unnamed individual who helped move boxes at mar-a-lago. kash patel had appeared at a grand jury in washington last week and taken the fifth. when we see the doj trying to get patel and another person to try and testify now, how do you tie those threads together? >> it looks like they're closing in directly on donald trump to put these folks in the situation where they will testify and the kinds of evidence that they have point
john eastman pleads the fifth in front of the district attorney in august. she says to mark meadows listen to clayta. and what does mark meadows do put forward that to the justice department. >> and you have two judges who have said that lindsey graham should go ahead and testify and that his reason for not doing so doesn't add up. then thomas puts in this whole -- but it could go to the full court? there's a headline that just crossed from the "new york times" that prosecutors...
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. >> and a judge ruling john eastman -- >> hello, america! >> must turn over more of his e-mails to the january 6th economy. the judge saying trump likely committed a crime when he tried to upend the 2020 election. >> we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> the judge writing some of the e-mails are related to a conspiracy to defraud the united states. in one particular set of e-mails, the judge noting trump signed a court filing with numbers about alleged voter fraud in georgia that trump knew were false. the e-mails showed that trump knew the specific numbers were wrong, but continued to tout those numbers to the court and to the possible, according to the judge. trump slamming the judge on social media today saying he shouldn't be making statements about me until he understands the facts, which he doesn't. now we are also getting updates about a separate trump investigation. this is the criminal investigation in georgia into efforts by trump to overturn the election. we've learned
. >> and a judge ruling john eastman -- >> hello, america! >> must turn over more of his e-mails to the january 6th economy. the judge saying trump likely committed a crime when he tried to upend the 2020 election. >> we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> the judge writing some of the e-mails are related to a conspiracy to defraud the united states. in one particular set of e-mails, the judge noting...