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so, what does john eastman do? eastman himself lobbied this suit because he expected a judge to declare that pence ha no such powers as one obviou and even looking at th situation. in other words, eastman didn't to test it in court because he knew it would fail he didn't wanna ruling on th legality because he knew it wa illegal. he knew exactly what he wa doing. that said, easton and trum knowing that in tandem pushe the bogus legal theory anyways they faced enormous pressure to give us credit he did not let's change the fact that i one of many examples, trump an his fellow troops try to submi the will of the people who potentially ended the democracy. he served for the northern district of alabama. a distinguished professor at alabama law school marianne e. is a former federa prosecutor in a legal's affair -- political magazine i know both of you i read th chapter closely and have a lot of thoughts on it. and just getting up to speed so it's great to have you here i want to start on this point. we will broaden it
so, what does john eastman do? eastman himself lobbied this suit because he expected a judge to declare that pence ha no such powers as one obviou and even looking at th situation. in other words, eastman didn't to test it in court because he knew it would fail he didn't wanna ruling on th legality because he knew it wa illegal. he knew exactly what he wa doing. that said, easton and trum knowing that in tandem pushe the bogus legal theory anyways they faced enormous pressure to give us credit...
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so, what does john eastman do? eastman himself lobbied this suit because he expected a judge to declare that pence ha no such powers as one obviou and even looking at th situation. in other words, eastman didn't to test it in court because he knew it would fail he didn't wanna ruling on th legality because he knew it wa illegal. he knew exactly what he wa doing. that said, easton and trum knowing that in tandem pushe the bogus legal theory anyways they faced enormous pressure to give us credit he did not let's change the fact that i one of many examples, trump an his fellow troops try to submi the will of the people who potentially ended th democracy. he served for the northern district of alabama. a distinguished professor at alabama law school marianne e. is a former federa prosecutor in a legal's affair -- political magazine i know both of you i read th chapter closely and have a lot of thoughts on it. and just getting up to speed so it's great to have you here i want to start on this point. we will broaden it o
so, what does john eastman do? eastman himself lobbied this suit because he expected a judge to declare that pence ha no such powers as one obviou and even looking at th situation. in other words, eastman didn't to test it in court because he knew it would fail he didn't wanna ruling on th legality because he knew it wa illegal. he knew exactly what he wa doing. that said, easton and trum knowing that in tandem pushe the bogus legal theory anyways they faced enormous pressure to give us credit...
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john eastman emerges as the gu here who has illegitimat league goal chops. he has clerked, he is well known in the legal community and he is willing to pursu this theory that is contrary t the law, but that serves trump purposes and there is at least on meeting where trump's presiden on the fifth where he hear eastman couldn't see that th -- not accurate, so the entir period of time where trump i out, vilifying mike pence, calling for -- on the morning of the six fo pence to tow the line and do what trump wants him to do trump knows that it is not legal. in terms of trump's culpability, again if we trump talk about the notion of interfering or obstructing an officia proceeding, which is just on of the possible charges, thi all suggests that he had the state of mind, the knowledge and the intent to obstruct tha is essential to bringing tha sort of a case - i think the one thing that i would say is that the committe doesn't operate along the same constraint doj does. they don't have to worry about whether evidence is admissible so some of this might be hearsay
john eastman emerges as the gu here who has illegitimat league goal chops. he has clerked, he is well known in the legal community and he is willing to pursu this theory that is contrary t the law, but that serves trump purposes and there is at least on meeting where trump's presiden on the fifth where he hear eastman couldn't see that th -- not accurate, so the entir period of time where trump i out, vilifying mike pence, calling for -- on the morning of the six fo pence to tow the line and do...
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i think that the john eastman, you talked about john eastman, he's the person who in all of these hearings seemed to have had the longest standing plan, whether it was his true belief, because it wasn't always clear whether he thought what he was planning was legal, but you can go back to the year 2000, him having this theory that the vice president could simply decide what electors he wanted to certify and not certify those of the actual winner. and there's definitely a sense that there was a methodical plan that involved at least trying to pressure mike pence to do what donald trump wanted done. and then the violence seems to have been added on top of it and the question is whether donald trump knew the violence would be added. is that fair to say? >> i think that's fair to say. and look, there's one basic way to conduct an honest election, which is to allow everybody to vote, to count all the votes, and then to honestly implement the victor of the election as the winner. there are a lot of ways, as donald trump showed, to try to overthrow and undermine a fair election. he went to the le
i think that the john eastman, you talked about john eastman, he's the person who in all of these hearings seemed to have had the longest standing plan, whether it was his true belief, because it wasn't always clear whether he thought what he was planning was legal, but you can go back to the year 2000, him having this theory that the vice president could simply decide what electors he wanted to certify and not certify those of the actual winner. and there's definitely a sense that there was a...
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some more details the committee is releasing in this report is that john eastman it looks like might have first tried to make contact with president trump at the white house on december 23, 2020, almost exactly two years ago. and the committee is documenting how john eastman put in an e-mail to president trump's assistant, molly michael, at the time 1:32 p.m. that day and then was eventually connected to the white house through the switchboard. it was a call that lasted 23 minutes. and john eastman apparently talked about his memo to ensure that president trump is re-elected, and in it he talked about the way that vice president pence could potentially overturn the election. of course, something pence refused to do. in addition to that the committee's report also talks about a little known trump attorney named kenneth cheesebro, and he was actually the architect of this fake elector plot, coming up with these fake electors in these battleground states who would be in favor of trump who that would try to insert as the actual electors in those states that biden won instead. of course w
some more details the committee is releasing in this report is that john eastman it looks like might have first tried to make contact with president trump at the white house on december 23, 2020, almost exactly two years ago. and the committee is documenting how john eastman put in an e-mail to president trump's assistant, molly michael, at the time 1:32 p.m. that day and then was eventually connected to the white house through the switchboard. it was a call that lasted 23 minutes. and john...
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and level criminal charges against trump attorney john eastman. john eastman's attorneys just issued a statement saying in part, quote, a criminal referral from a congressional committee is not binding on the department of justice and carry no, sir more legal weight from referral from an american citizen, in fact, a referral from the y6 committee should carry a great deal less weight due to the nature that produced it end quote. cnn's sara murray is on capitol hill where congressional leaders laid out their charges. >> reporter: the house investigative committee convening publicly one last time. >> he lost the 2020 election and knew it. in the end, he summoned the mob to washington, and knowingly, they were armed and angry. pointed them to the capitol and told them to fight like hell. >> reporter: and laying out its case that former president donald trump was ultimately responsible for the attack on the u.s. capitol. >> no man would behave that way at that moment in time can ever serve in any position of authority in our nation again. he is unfit
and level criminal charges against trump attorney john eastman. john eastman's attorneys just issued a statement saying in part, quote, a criminal referral from a congressional committee is not binding on the department of justice and carry no, sir more legal weight from referral from an american citizen, in fact, a referral from the y6 committee should carry a great deal less weight due to the nature that produced it end quote. cnn's sara murray is on capitol hill where congressional leaders...
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you had reporting from john eastman, you have been all over the john eastman story. i'm going to get your take on this. it says in the executive summary, the committee believes sufficient evidence exists for a referral for john eastman, and associates. others share in eastman's culpability. you know, when we talk about eastman, he has been the person who was highest on the list of people who thought, of someone -- highest on the list of those observers thought were likely to get a criminal referral along with donald trump, and he has gotten one. talk to us about john eastman and his role in this, and what happens now for him? >> that's exactly right, and that's also because as the committee references in their report, these criminal referrals were in part rooted in three legal opinions that had previously been issued by federal court judges, but before i get further into that, i want to correct the record. i misspoke last week on wednesday and then on friday when i said that john eastman had already been disbarred. what i had intended to convey is there are a number
you had reporting from john eastman, you have been all over the john eastman story. i'm going to get your take on this. it says in the executive summary, the committee believes sufficient evidence exists for a referral for john eastman, and associates. others share in eastman's culpability. you know, when we talk about eastman, he has been the person who was highest on the list of people who thought, of someone -- highest on the list of those observers thought were likely to get a criminal...
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trump, john eastman, for violations of the statute. the whole purpose and obvious effect to obstruct come influence this official proceeding. the central moment of transfer of power in the united states. amy: the house january 6 select committee has unanimously voted to refer donald trump to the justice department to face criminal charges, including aiding an insurrection as he attempted to overturn the 2020 election. we will get response and's >> no man who would behave that way at that moment in time can ever serve in any position of authority in our nation again. he is unfit for any office. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the house select committee investigating the january 6, 2021 attack on the u.s. capitol has wrapped up its 18-month probe by recommending criminal charges against former president donald trump. at the committee's final public hearing monday, maryland democratic congressmember jamie raskin said trump betrayed his oath of offic
trump, john eastman, for violations of the statute. the whole purpose and obvious effect to obstruct come influence this official proceeding. the central moment of transfer of power in the united states. amy: the house january 6 select committee has unanimously voted to refer donald trump to the justice department to face criminal charges, including aiding an insurrection as he attempted to overturn the 2020 election. we will get response and's >> no man who would behave that way at that...
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but this theory could also be used in the way that john eastman proposed. and, so i think neil catale described it, the collateral damage that will be done by inappropriate decisions is pretty vast. our democracy could be harmed in extremely substantial ways. >> do you have a sense of dread, i mean for everyone who is watched what the court has done in the last year, i mean some people think it's a foregone conclusion that they're gonna support this in some way. do you have a similar amount of trepidation? >> i really don't. i think that this truly would be a bridge too far. you know, if you look at those who have come out against this independent state legislator nonsense, your former republican governors who have the conference states supreme court justices, you have conservative legal scholars including one of the cofounders of the federalist society. your former republican judges conservative judges, all of the people who i think these folks would look up to and who they look to for guidance, for or the supporters. everybody is against this theory. only
but this theory could also be used in the way that john eastman proposed. and, so i think neil catale described it, the collateral damage that will be done by inappropriate decisions is pretty vast. our democracy could be harmed in extremely substantial ways. >> do you have a sense of dread, i mean for everyone who is watched what the court has done in the last year, i mean some people think it's a foregone conclusion that they're gonna support this in some way. do you have a similar...
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john eastman, of course the attorney considered the architect of the scheme to overturn the election goes on to say, in a statement, just into nbc news, that at its inception, the january 6th committee had the resources and mandate to make important gruks contributions in the area of capitol security of the electoral counteract reform and other potential areas of legislation and sadly this opportunity has been squandered in favor of concocts a pretend criminal case for pretend prosecutors he says, designed to create political advantage for the democratic party and stigmatize disfavored political groups and he ends by saying the american people in his view have been ill-served by the january 6th committee and his members a statement by john eastman, one of the two people criminally referred to the d.o.j., including former president trump, by the january 6th committee. what is interesting on this, and ryan, since you're here, let me bring you into the conversation here, there are a couple of things. number one, john eastman did what we widely expected him and others to do expected him
john eastman, of course the attorney considered the architect of the scheme to overturn the election goes on to say, in a statement, just into nbc news, that at its inception, the january 6th committee had the resources and mandate to make important gruks contributions in the area of capitol security of the electoral counteract reform and other potential areas of legislation and sadly this opportunity has been squandered in favor of concocts a pretend criminal case for pretend prosecutors he...
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because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. >> after that, john eastman pleaded the fifth a bunch of time when he's testified before the committee. do you see legal jeopardy for eastman in this? and in theory, if he's in jeopardy, is trump in jeopardy too? >> they're both in jeopardy, joy. i'm so glad you brought up the ruling by federal district court judge out in california, david carter, because it kind of feels like we're in this upside down bizarro criminal justice world because we have two coequal branches of government that based on the evidence have reached conclusions that donald trump and others committed crimes against the united states. federal felonies. we have judge david carter in california ruling after an evidentiary hearing that by a preponderance of the evidence, and that's a really important evidentiary standard, by a preponderance of the evidence, john eastman, together with donald trump, committed two federal felonies. obstruction of an official proceeding, trying to stop the certification of joe biden's win. and a conspiracy to commit offen
because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. >> after that, john eastman pleaded the fifth a bunch of time when he's testified before the committee. do you see legal jeopardy for eastman in this? and in theory, if he's in jeopardy, is trump in jeopardy too? >> they're both in jeopardy, joy. i'm so glad you brought up the ruling by federal district court judge out in california, david carter, because it kind of feels like we're in this upside down bizarro criminal...
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previously, he worked for john eastman. he didn't begin working at the justice department until december of 2020, weeks before the administration wants to end. what purpose could he have had to show up, and start a new job, with weeks left in the administration? unless, he is there to do the bidding of john eastman. so, when it comes to jeffrey clark, this is the same way that donald trump says, i do not need volodymyr zelenskyy to, really, investigate show biden. i just need you to announce that you will investigate. it's kind of the same thing. i don't really need there to be fraud, it is near the justice department to say there is. once the justice department says so people will believe it. it is only the johnny's theory through the justice department. the is the clue between those two segments. >> ken klukowski, affective, lee brought in for a surgical strike. he said, he's there for a little while, before he tries go into the private sector. that's later in the transcript. he did not have long term plans for the justic
previously, he worked for john eastman. he didn't begin working at the justice department until december of 2020, weeks before the administration wants to end. what purpose could he have had to show up, and start a new job, with weeks left in the administration? unless, he is there to do the bidding of john eastman. so, when it comes to jeffrey clark, this is the same way that donald trump says, i do not need volodymyr zelenskyy to, really, investigate show biden. i just need you to announce...
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another person likely to see a criminal referral today is trump lawyer, john eastman. you're right, hallie. the architect of the fake electors scheme and also at the center of the pressure campaign against former vice president, mike pence, and other key state level officials. this committee detailing all of these different threads of the january 6th plot over the course of multiple hearings and now tieing them together today each member during this meeting will do what we've seen them do over the course of these many hearings, which is each taking a specific thread and showcasing it to the american people, continuing to highlight evidence we've seen presented. of course, that will all ultimately come in the final report that we're going to see released on wednesday, but certainly, we expect to see them talk through new details today as they come to the close of this roughly 18-month investigation. now, you mentioned what former president donald trump's response was to these referrals. his spokesperson and himself really ignoring the substance of our reporting and inst
another person likely to see a criminal referral today is trump lawyer, john eastman. you're right, hallie. the architect of the fake electors scheme and also at the center of the pressure campaign against former vice president, mike pence, and other key state level officials. this committee detailing all of these different threads of the january 6th plot over the course of multiple hearings and now tieing them together today each member during this meeting will do what we've seen them do over...
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it shows that john eastman wanted to use this very theory as way to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. this the case before the court deals with gerrymandering but it could be used in the way that john eastman proposed. i think as neil described it, he said the collateral damage that could be done by an inappropriate decision here is pretty vast. our democracy could be harmed. >> do you have sans of dread? for everybody who watched what the court has done in the last year, i mean, some people think it's a forgone conclusion they're going to support this. do you have a similar amount of trepidation? >> i really don't. because i think this truly would be a bridge too far. in you look at those who came against this, you have former republican governors. you have the confidence of state supreme court justices. you have conservative legal scholars including one of the co-founders of the federalist society, former republican judges, conservative judges. all of the people who i think these folks would look up to and who they look to for guidance or supporters. serve against this theory
it shows that john eastman wanted to use this very theory as way to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. this the case before the court deals with gerrymandering but it could be used in the way that john eastman proposed. i think as neil described it, he said the collateral damage that could be done by an inappropriate decision here is pretty vast. our democracy could be harmed. >> do you have sans of dread? for everybody who watched what the court has done in the last year, i mean,...
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john eastman and others. the dangerous assault on american constitutional and democracy that took place on january six, 2021, consists of hundreds of individual criminal offenses. most such crimes are already being prosecuted by the department of justice. we propose to the committee advancing referrals where the gravity of the specific offense, the severity of its actual harm, and the sensuality of the offender to the overall design of the unlawful scheme to overthrow the election compel us to speak. ours is not a system of justice where footsoldiers go to jail in the masterminds and ringleaders get a free pass. >> ours is not a system of justice where footsoldiers go to jail, and the ringleaders get a free pass. settle in. tonight, we will review these criminal referrals that were announced today by a congressman and constitutional law professor, jimmy raskin. those referrals were soon after he announced them unanimously endorsed by all members of the investigation, as i said earlier. we will be speaking wit
john eastman and others. the dangerous assault on american constitutional and democracy that took place on january six, 2021, consists of hundreds of individual criminal offenses. most such crimes are already being prosecuted by the department of justice. we propose to the committee advancing referrals where the gravity of the specific offense, the severity of its actual harm, and the sensuality of the offender to the overall design of the unlawful scheme to overthrow the election compel us to...
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colonel john eastman, the lawyer, along with donald j. trump is who they're with obstruction and conspiracy to defraud the united states. presumably with fraud and other charges there. he has just responded saying this is yet another partisan and political stunt. that's the first response that we have. >> to be expected. he is a principal conspirator. in what today was outlined as an absolutely stunning conspiracy to me defraud the united states to prevent free election with the president of the united states to transfer power. we started this by talking about history. one of the things we've been asking is there another john dean as in watergate, somebody who can bring the house down? and the answer is potentially yes. we got a hint of it today. pat cipollone, he is the counsel to the president of the united states, we saw him hemming and hawing as he took privileges. he knows everything. absolutely everything. there is indication he is cooperating with the justice department. that those privileges might notanot not apply. we better keep
colonel john eastman, the lawyer, along with donald j. trump is who they're with obstruction and conspiracy to defraud the united states. presumably with fraud and other charges there. he has just responded saying this is yet another partisan and political stunt. that's the first response that we have. >> to be expected. he is a principal conspirator. in what today was outlined as an absolutely stunning conspiracy to me defraud the united states to prevent free election with the president...
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trump, john eastman and others for violations of the statute. the whole purpose and obvious effect of trump's scheme were to obstruct, influence and impede this official proceeding. the central moment for the transfer of power in the united states. second, we believe there is more than sufficient evidence to refer former president donald j. trump, john eastman and others for violating title 18 section 371. this statute makes it a crime to conspire to defraud the united states. in other words to make an agreement to impair, obstruct or defeat the lawful function of the united states government by deceitful or dishonest maintenance -- dishonest means. the former president entered into agreements formal and informal with several individuals who assisted him with his criminal objectives. our report describes in detail the action of numerous co-conspirators who agreed with and participated in trump's plan to impair, obstruct and defeat the certification of president biden's electoral victory. the subcommittee does not attempt to determine all the pot
trump, john eastman and others for violations of the statute. the whole purpose and obvious effect of trump's scheme were to obstruct, influence and impede this official proceeding. the central moment for the transfer of power in the united states. second, we believe there is more than sufficient evidence to refer former president donald j. trump, john eastman and others for violating title 18 section 371. this statute makes it a crime to conspire to defraud the united states. in other words to...
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trump, john eastman, and others for violations of this statute. the entire purpose and obvious effect of trump's scheme were to obstruct, influence, and impeded this official proceeding. the central moment for the lawful transfer of power in the united states. second, we believe there is more than sufficient evidence to refer former president donald j. trump, john eastman and others for violating title 18, section 371. this statute makes it a crime to conspire to defraud the united states. in other words, to make an agreement to impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful functions of the united states government by deceitful or dishonest means. the former president did not engage in a plan acting alone, he -- entered into formal and informal agreements with several other individuals who have -- assisted him with his criminal objectives. our report describes in detail the actions of numerous co-conspirators who agreed with or participated in the trump plan to defeat the certification of president biden's electoral victory. that said, the subcommittee d
trump, john eastman, and others for violations of this statute. the entire purpose and obvious effect of trump's scheme were to obstruct, influence, and impeded this official proceeding. the central moment for the lawful transfer of power in the united states. second, we believe there is more than sufficient evidence to refer former president donald j. trump, john eastman and others for violating title 18, section 371. this statute makes it a crime to conspire to defraud the united states. in...
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there are also conversations around some of the criminal things that lawyer john eastman could've time. that's certainly gonna be something that we hear brought up tomorrow in this final meeting of the january six committee. and then, of course, there's the question about what they're gonna do with the republican lawmakers who defied their subpoena's. and now it seems what we overheard jamie raskin saying in the room, is that they're gonna refer four of them to the house ethics committee. you remember five republican lawmakers were subpoenaed. we can put them up for you on the screen. among them is the likely house speaker, kevin mccarthy, if he can get those 218 votes that he needs just a few weeks from now. but we know that lows lawmakers, or some of them, will be referred to by the house ethics committee. it's notable, though, the house ethics committee is evenly divided between republicans number crafts. time for this congresses running out. that's likely pretty toothless in terms of being punishment for ignoring these subpoenas in the first place. the other piece that's important
there are also conversations around some of the criminal things that lawyer john eastman could've time. that's certainly gonna be something that we hear brought up tomorrow in this final meeting of the january six committee. and then, of course, there's the question about what they're gonna do with the republican lawmakers who defied their subpoena's. and now it seems what we overheard jamie raskin saying in the room, is that they're gonna refer four of them to the house ethics committee. you...
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there were also conversations around some of the criminal things that lawyer john eastman could've done. that certainly going to be something that we hear brought up tomorrow in this final meeting of the january 6th committee. and then of course there is the question of what they're going to do with the republican lawmakers who defied their subpoenas. and now seems like it'll be overheard, congressman jamie raskin in the room, saying they're gonna refer for them to the house ethics committee. you'll remember, five republican lawmakers were subpoenaed, we can put them up for you there on the screen. among them is the likely house speaker, kevin mccarthy, of course, if he can get those 218 votes he needs just a few weeks from now. but we know that those lawmakers, or some of them, are going to be referred to the house ethics committee. it's notable, though, the house ethics committee is evenly divided between republicans and democrats. time for this congress is running out. so that's likely pretty too with this in terms of punishment for ignoring these subpoenas in the first place. and th
there were also conversations around some of the criminal things that lawyer john eastman could've done. that certainly going to be something that we hear brought up tomorrow in this final meeting of the january 6th committee. and then of course there is the question of what they're going to do with the republican lawmakers who defied their subpoenas. and now seems like it'll be overheard, congressman jamie raskin in the room, saying they're gonna refer for them to the house ethics committee....
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he found that john eastman and donald trump, together, committed those same offenses. and it's important, ali, he founded by a preponderance of the evidence, 51% more likely that not. why is that an important evidentiary standard? because it is higher than what is we're quiet to arrest and indict someone! that is a lower standard -- probable cause. how is it that two coequal branches of government that aren't even responsible for abducting criminal investigations, -- based on the evidence get knowing branch of the government that is empowered to do something about it? seems to be lagging behind. i hope some day that the department of justice explains to the american people why that is. >> jennifer, i mean for your, sake i know you like bring it up all that often, but you are a lawyer as well. so you think about this. and a lot of people are wondering about this. the thing that we are not speaking about here is -- it's peoples frustration with merrick garland. why hasn't he moved faster on this? will he move faster on this? does the appointment of jack smith as a specia
he found that john eastman and donald trump, together, committed those same offenses. and it's important, ali, he founded by a preponderance of the evidence, 51% more likely that not. why is that an important evidentiary standard? because it is higher than what is we're quiet to arrest and indict someone! that is a lower standard -- probable cause. how is it that two coequal branches of government that aren't even responsible for abducting criminal investigations, -- based on the evidence get...
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and john eastman, the attorney is also named. he said something today, he tried to poo-poo the whole thing. he said he has not received a subpoena in the doj criminal probe. so he hasn't been subpoenaed. what does that say? >> it could say he's going to get a target letter soon. they have don't need him. if he comes into the grand jury, he'll take the fifth and won't be a witness in any circumstances. so i think he knows well enough the process as a former law professor, law school dean, what have you, how this works. he shouldn't expect the subpoena until the time is right. and it's not right yet. >> as you read through all this today, it hit home because you knew all the people, you were there, you've answered questions about this yourself to the committee. so the former president puts out a statement tonight. these folks don't get it that when they come after me people who love freedom rally around me, it strengthens me. what do you make of that as a response? i mean, obviously he puts on a whatever kind of facade he wants to
and john eastman, the attorney is also named. he said something today, he tried to poo-poo the whole thing. he said he has not received a subpoena in the doj criminal probe. so he hasn't been subpoenaed. what does that say? >> it could say he's going to get a target letter soon. they have don't need him. if he comes into the grand jury, he'll take the fifth and won't be a witness in any circumstances. so i think he knows well enough the process as a former law professor, law school dean,...
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he pleaded his case and offered to send the letter he had drafted to white house -- >> john eastman admitted enough fans of the 2020 election that mike pence could not lawfully refuse to count official electoral votes. but he nevertheless devised a merit-less proposal that deployed a combination of bogus election fraud claims and the fake electoral ballots to say that mike pence, presiding over the joint session, could reject legitimate electoral votes for president elect biden. >> for 187 minutes, he actively disregarded his constitutional obligation to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. as we have established through months of investigation, that is because the mob wanted what president trump want it, to impede the peaceful transition of power. at 601 p m, the trump in his last tweet of the day -- pugh did not condemn the violence. instead, he attempted to justify it. these are the things that events that happened on a sacred landslide election victory. so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away, he wrote. remember this day forever. >> we will remember that day forever. a
he pleaded his case and offered to send the letter he had drafted to white house -- >> john eastman admitted enough fans of the 2020 election that mike pence could not lawfully refuse to count official electoral votes. but he nevertheless devised a merit-less proposal that deployed a combination of bogus election fraud claims and the fake electoral ballots to say that mike pence, presiding over the joint session, could reject legitimate electoral votes for president elect biden. >>...
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it is just so frustrating to me personally and outrageous that you have john eastman, the mastermind of this plot, you know, taking the fifth 155 times. roger stone, kimberly gillfoil paid $60,000 for a speech she gave that day. and she refused to call the donor who provided the funds and allowed her to get that money. and people in the capitol, they've been prosecuted, they deserve to be prosecuted. but so much of this was john eastman and donald trump tricking these trump support nears storming the capitol. one of the other findings is that there is just no evidence whatsoever the election was stolen. this was just a grift that this circle benefited from. >> yeah. so when you have this many people taking the fifth and it's a legal strategy, what does that really mean? does it mean they have something to hide? i mean explain to us why you wouldn't offer information if you didn't have anything to hide? >> it's their right. and this is a good thing about our country. they don't want to be forced to testify. and that's a good thing. and so i don't think we can declare them guilty of an
it is just so frustrating to me personally and outrageous that you have john eastman, the mastermind of this plot, you know, taking the fifth 155 times. roger stone, kimberly gillfoil paid $60,000 for a speech she gave that day. and she refused to call the donor who provided the funds and allowed her to get that money. and people in the capitol, they've been prosecuted, they deserve to be prosecuted. but so much of this was john eastman and donald trump tricking these trump support nears...
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that we are convinced that multiple criminal offenses took place by donald trump and john eastman, and potentially others. and we laid them out very clearly. delivered interference in the cunning of the federal government proceeding. that's the whole point of stop the steal, go in, break it, up and make it impossible for us to proceed. conspiracy to defraud the united states, exchanging the real, honest, authentic presidential election for a counterfeit election with fake electors, and violent force. the filing of these false statements with the government, with the archives, with the congress in the electors and the insurrection itself, assisting and aiding and abetting and giving aid and comfort to the insurrectionist, so of course we have to turn over the information that we have got to the department of justice, but we are planning to make the vast majority of it available to the entire public, this is democracy and the people have the right to the information. >> i think that is good, except the general public doesn't read tens of thousands of pages of things, they like the execut
that we are convinced that multiple criminal offenses took place by donald trump and john eastman, and potentially others. and we laid them out very clearly. delivered interference in the cunning of the federal government proceeding. that's the whole point of stop the steal, go in, break it, up and make it impossible for us to proceed. conspiracy to defraud the united states, exchanging the real, honest, authentic presidential election for a counterfeit election with fake electors, and violent...
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other potential cooperators of john eastman, jeffrey clark of the justice department. either one of those could be very important. and remember, the justice department has tools. there are available for the january six committee. search warrants were used to pick phones for some of the suspects. they can compel people to the grand jury, they can compel their testimony. and so, it seems like the justice department is going to be even more than the committee has already done. >> i know you are nodding in agreement when barbara was speaking. what do you think, do you think mark meadows is a cooperating witness. who else might be cooperating.? >> yeah, i think it's really difficult to know because we have seen such fealty given by people inside of trump's inner circle all the way to the end. spin all the way until they themselves face criminal liability. say for certain how far this has gone but this is an important point is that it's not like the doj was waiting for january six to finish the work. they were seeing this investigation and the special counsel jack smith. rea
other potential cooperators of john eastman, jeffrey clark of the justice department. either one of those could be very important. and remember, the justice department has tools. there are available for the january six committee. search warrants were used to pick phones for some of the suspects. they can compel people to the grand jury, they can compel their testimony. and so, it seems like the justice department is going to be even more than the committee has already done. >> i know you...
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what should become and john eastman? all the individuals that did facilitate this assault on the u.s. constitutional order? >> those that broke the law should be prosecuted. i hope the justice department will track down all the leads that we have provided and where they feel there is evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt the one on hesitate to indict some of these enablers of this crime against our democracy. others from which there may not be sufficient evidence to prosecute, i hope that they will be tired by their association with donald trump, by their participation in his scheming, that they will not be invited back into respectable society when they worked to subvert our democracy. i hate to see some of the early people that left the trump administration administration rehabilitated, either in the media or elsewhere. many of these folks sought, through our investigation, to rehabilitate themselves. to give you a prominent example, i'm glad that bill barr finally found the line he wouldn't cross. but acro
what should become and john eastman? all the individuals that did facilitate this assault on the u.s. constitutional order? >> those that broke the law should be prosecuted. i hope the justice department will track down all the leads that we have provided and where they feel there is evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt the one on hesitate to indict some of these enablers of this crime against our democracy. others from which there may not be sufficient evidence to prosecute,...
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amendment in here about communication with john eastman and others how important will that be when the justice department is looking at this jacques mid-are looking at this? and there is a former justice department official who by the way takes the fifth amendment when asked if he worked in the justice department, isn't that something that they will feel compelled to push on as hard as anything else in that investigation? >> absolutely, lawrence. that official jeffrey clark's interest in official, at some point it looks like he was the acting attorney general because trump put him in that role temporarily and then maybe it was rescinded, we don't even know who was the attorney general for sure but is it the justice department person, for sure he will be held to a certain standard and the idea that he could just go on walls and take the fifth amendment, i just think it's so contrary to everything the justice department stands for, and i agree with andrew it is a really low bar to assert the fifth amendment, but for a group of people including jeff clark who claim they did nothing wrong,
amendment in here about communication with john eastman and others how important will that be when the justice department is looking at this jacques mid-are looking at this? and there is a former justice department official who by the way takes the fifth amendment when asked if he worked in the justice department, isn't that something that they will feel compelled to push on as hard as anything else in that investigation? >> absolutely, lawrence. that official jeffrey clark's interest in...
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john eastman admitted in advance of the 2020 election that mike pence could not lawfully refuse to count official electoral votes. but he nevertheless devised a meritless proposal that deployed a combination of bogus election fraud claims and the fake electoral ballots to say that mike pence, presiding over the joint session, could reject legitimate electoral votes for president biden. still president trump accepted and repeated eastman's theory and used it to pressure the vice president to take unlawful action. in multiple heated conversations, president trump directly pressured vice president pence to adopt the eastman theory and reject the electors or send them back to the state legislatures. the vice president consistently resisted and repeatedly told the president that he did not possess the authority to do what president trump directed. this culminated in an angry phone call on the morning of january 6th between president trump and vice president pence during which the former president repeatedly berated mr. pence by cursing and levelling threats. white house staffer nick luna was
john eastman admitted in advance of the 2020 election that mike pence could not lawfully refuse to count official electoral votes. but he nevertheless devised a meritless proposal that deployed a combination of bogus election fraud claims and the fake electoral ballots to say that mike pence, presiding over the joint session, could reject legitimate electoral votes for president biden. still president trump accepted and repeated eastman's theory and used it to pressure the vice president to...
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also trump's former lawyers, john eastman. rudy giuliani, rudy giuliani basely fraud claims and john eastman considering architect of plans to push mike pence to refuse to certify the election. something mike pence refused to do. the committee also is weighing a criminal referral of jeffrey clark a top official at doj. also pushed those false election fraud claims. guys, any of these referrals that the committee makes to doj is in no way legally binding. really carries no legal weight. so the justice department is not compelled to charge anyone after a congressional referral that we're expecting. largely symbolic here, guys. still significant, but the justice department does not need to act on any criminal prosecution as a result of what this committee says. still looking out for it one week from wednesday. bianna and victor? >> their own special counsel-led investigation. jessica schneider, thank you for being with us. >>> special counsel jack smith has been on the job for just a few weeks but already speeding ahead on two cr
also trump's former lawyers, john eastman. rudy giuliani, rudy giuliani basely fraud claims and john eastman considering architect of plans to push mike pence to refuse to certify the election. something mike pence refused to do. the committee also is weighing a criminal referral of jeffrey clark a top official at doj. also pushed those false election fraud claims. guys, any of these referrals that the committee makes to doj is in no way legally binding. really carries no legal weight. so the...
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they were looking at jeffrey clark, and john eastman. they're trying to -- they did get these emails involving representative scott perry, and i think there's been a notable change in the pace and focus and direction of the investigation, and if anything, i think that has been accelerated in the last almost month now since jack smith was named special counsel. >> elie, let me get your thoughts on the reporting from lauren fox on capitol hill, that after years of fighting to get them, congressional democrats now have the former president's tax returns. there's going to be a convening on tuesday, potentially going to executive session to look at them. this was for a legislateive purpose. how much time do they do? >> they have to be careful about potentially releasing these tax returns to the public. for one thing, the means committee had to fight for their right, which they won to get these individual tax returns. it went all the way up to the supreme court. they won and should have won. in that legal battle though, victor, they specifical
they were looking at jeffrey clark, and john eastman. they're trying to -- they did get these emails involving representative scott perry, and i think there's been a notable change in the pace and focus and direction of the investigation, and if anything, i think that has been accelerated in the last almost month now since jack smith was named special counsel. >> elie, let me get your thoughts on the reporting from lauren fox on capitol hill, that after years of fighting to get them,...
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trump, john eastman, and others for violations of this statute. the whole purpose and obvious affect of trump's scheme were to obstruct, influence and impede this official proceeding, the central moment for the lawful transfer of power in the united states. second, we believe there is more than sufficient evidence to refer former president trump, john eastman and others, for violating section 371. this statute makes it a crime to conspire to defraud the united states. in other words, to make an agreement to impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful functions of the united states government by deceitful or dishonest means. former president trump did not engage in a plan to defraud the united states acting alone. he entered into agreements, formal and informal, with several other individuals who assisted him with his criminal objectives. our report describes in detail the actions of numerous co-conspirators who agreed with and participated in trump's plan to impair, obstruct and defeat the certification of president biden's electoral victory. that said
trump, john eastman, and others for violations of this statute. the whole purpose and obvious affect of trump's scheme were to obstruct, influence and impede this official proceeding, the central moment for the lawful transfer of power in the united states. second, we believe there is more than sufficient evidence to refer former president trump, john eastman and others, for violating section 371. this statute makes it a crime to conspire to defraud the united states. in other words, to make an...